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Rockford
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No team in their right mind is going to give us something good unless its a team that is really, really pushing for an NBA title, or is in desperate need for cap space. Which rules out a large majority of NBA teams. I think honestly outside of San Antonio and a small amount of other contending teams would part with anything outside of a prospect, like Dejuan Blair and thats a maybe. Maybe if Shaq and/or Big Z goes down we could get JJ Hickson from Cleveland. Maybe a 2nd rounder at best but why get a late 2nd rounder?

So that leaves us with a team looking for cap space in 2010, just like us. We may not be advertising it but I think we are looking to hold onto Camby because of that big expiring contract he has. So we would be looking at attempting to make a deal with Memphis again, New JErsey, Miami, Toronto or New York. Our best bet would be to try to get Danillio Gallinari from New York or trying to get Courtney Lee & Rafer Alston from New Jersey, maybe Chris Douglas Roberts. However all those guys minus Rafer are building blocks to help lure in Bosh, Amare, Lebron or D Wade into their organization.

I think we as fans are loving the moves we've been making and the NBA buzz around our team with out recent movements and trades is getting bigger and its getting fans and the media overly excited in thinking we would part with CAmby, Kaman or even Jordan. But if we keep losing or a deal looks good it might be time to stop thinking 2010 and thinking more of a right now situation, or a decision where we bring in more youth for the movement. I'd love to see if we could move Camby to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas, he's good at defense and is really improving his game.

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I think we should try to move Camby and Davis at the deadline, if we are as far out of it as I think we will be.

I really thought that Baron just had a bad year last year, but it looks to me like he's just a declining NBA player. He shows some occasional flashes of the old Baron, but he's really a shell of his former self. This guy was a consistent 20ppg player, he's really fallen off big time...

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Just shows you can't get fat, lose weight, get fat, lose weight and hope to have longevity as a basketball player. It catches up with you as it appears it's caught up with Baron... Given his salary, which was about $850,000 per victory last year, the chances of moving him are slim and none... Our best chance to move him would be to wait for him to start playing really well (if it ever happens) and then dump his salary on anyone who will take it for whatever they will give us.

Baron has some value, but not 15-million worth. Not even close. That's why older players seldom get more than a two-year contract... When their skills start deteriorating, they go fast.

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I'd rather keep the capsace to be honest with you. I'd use that money for a better free agent on themarket. Although, we have to think we acquired Camby for a second rounder in the frst place.

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After 4 games, we are talking about moving players? seriously.....

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It's not so much about the 4 games, it's just that this team is not very good. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to watch these games and see that this team isn't a whole lot better than it was last year...

Now they may get things turned around, but whether they do or not, Camby's contract is going to expire, and if we are out of it, then it will be better to get something for him. As for Baron Davis, he's had last season and this season to turn himself around. The guy is a shell of his former self, and nobody can deny that...

All it takes is one game to keep a team out of the playoffs. Never underestimate the importance of one game, and the importance of getting off to a good start. Losing becomes contagious, and we've already shown that we can find a multitude of ways to lose basketball games...

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We need a 4th quarter finisher, but we will only be able to get a good role player or a pick for Camby.

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these 4 games will come back to haunt us in April.

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Marcus is a great player but if we could get something good in return...We should do it

As far as trading Baron I say No because he's a perfect compliment to our team

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Let's not trade one of the few players who have been doing well for us in these last 4 games consistently.

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Baron is so good sometimes - or as one other would like to put it - it comes in flashes and I'm sad this team is faltering and benoit benjamin-like in their self-motivation.

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I like camby. We need his rebounding, defense and hustle more than an inconsistent Chris Caveman!

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I don't think Camby should be moved, unless the deadline nears and it's clear we're not a playoff team... As far as what we could get for him, probably not a lot really since it would be just a two month rental as he's a F/A at season's end... The only teams that will rent him like that are playoff teams, and no playoff team is going to give up an important piece of their puzzle... So, the best we could get would be an overpaid prospect so the salaries work, or a guy who's fallen out of the rotation for a good team, or maybe a prospect and a late first...

Remember, we got him for a second so he's not going to bring anything great, given his age, his F/A status and his salary... How would you like Adam Morrison and the Laker's first for him?

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looks like the bulls are trying to get rid of Tyrus Thomas

he could shoot the ball from the mid range, attacks the basket, but i dont know about his defense much

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id trade camby for tyrus thomas for sure. he has so much potential and fits the team great with his shot blocking and athleticism.

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Adam Morrison sucks. Another great college player who cant do squat in the nba. He joins the ranks of Marcus williams and bobby hurley. If we are going for a youth movement I would trade Marcus Camby and baron davis for a young pg. How do you guys feel about Devin harris with our core of Gordon, Griffin,and Deandre? Thats a pretty athletic core right there.

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I love Devin Harris. We could have had him, but chose Livingston instead and Harris went next. I wasn't serious about getting Adam Morrison. I just used it as a point to suggest we shouldn't get our expectations too high...

As far as trading Baron and Camby for Harris, I don't think there's a chance in hell NJ would do it. That would be taking on 22-million in salary to vets who are past their prime. They just dumped Vince Carter for a Rhinocerous and two jock straps. They're trying to build with youth... I don't think, given Baron's salary and declining athleticism, he would be viewed as much of an asset by most NBA teams.

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I would like to see Camby retire as a Clipper...

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I doubt Camby would come back. We should get something for him. IMHO.

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It may seem like the right idea to keep Baron and Kaman, but honestly we really should try and build around the core of Griffin, Gordon, Joran, and Thornton. These guys are really young and I would love to see them develop similar to the way the kids on the Thunder have. We could always use the money that we cleared by trading or dumping Baron, Kaman, and Camby for some big time free agents once the coure I mentioned has matured and begun to play well together.

I know Kaman is highly popular but he is older than the young group we have drafted over the past three years and even when they peak he will be on the decline, so I'm all for just building around that potent core.

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Now that Oden is done, how about Outlaw and Bayless for Camby? Maybe need a filler or two, but they really need a big.

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I think that's the right idea, though I'd keep Kaman. He's only 27 and could be a solid center for the next 6 - 8 years... Plenty of time to be there with our younger guys... Baron and Camby are the guys I'd be moving.

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It may seem like the right idea to keep Baron and Kaman, but honestly we really should try and build around the core of Griffin, Gordon, Joran, and Thornton. These guys are really young and I would love to see them develop similar to the way the kids on the Thunder have. We could always use the money that we cleared by trading or dumping Baron, Kaman, and Camby for some big time free agents once the coure I mentioned has matured and begun to play well together.

I know Kaman is highly popular but he is older than the young group we have drafted over the past three years and even when they peak he will be on the decline, so I'm all for just building around that potent core.

I think that's the right idea, though I'd keep Kaman. He's only 27 and could be a solid center for the next 6 - 8 years... Plenty of time to be there with our younger guys... Baron and Camby are the guys I'd be moving.

Camby is a strong probability. He has been a fantastic rebounder and has been putting up double digits scoring efforts in some games. This benefits his stock and the clippers ability to trade him. Baron will be much more difficult to trade though, but maybe a team will a lot of veterans would consider him if his numbers got a little better.

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With Portland losing Oden, perhaps they'd part with Bayless for him... Bayless and Webster (out for most of the season with an injury) would work for the cap.

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I cant believe that had escaped me but that's a great trade, and Portland is basically ready for a serious playoff run so Camby would be very valuable. I just hope the front office is also considering this

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Not going to waste my time reading anything now... Camby is our best player currently.

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yeah honestly, he has been our most valuable player this season. Not Kaman, Not Gordon, or Baron.

Camby's been the only one who was consistent in every single game

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clipperloyal11 wrote:
LAC_12 wrote:
Not going to waste my time reading anything now... Camby is our best player currently.

yeah honestly, he has been our most valuable player this season. Not Kaman, Not Gordon, or Baron.

Camby's been the only one who was consistent in every single game

Camby has been super hot the last couple weeks and people are all over his jock like hes the GOAT. This after Kaman started to slow production and showed a little inconsistency.

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It's not any dislike for Camby. I agree. He's been terrific for us, but the Clippers are two years away. By the time we're ready to move, Camby either won't be here or will be 37 years old... Furthermore, when Blake comes back, he's going to get lots of minutes at the 4 spot... He is our future. The loss of Camy will be lessened by Blake's playing... If we can get an outside shooter and PG prospect like Bayless for him, it has to be considered... We have holes on this team that need filling... Griffin can fill the void left by Camby if he's traded.

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clipperloyal11 wrote:
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Not going to waste my time reading anything now... Camby is our best player currently.

yeah honestly, he has been our most valuable player this season. Not Kaman, Not Gordon, or Baron.

Camby's been the only one who was consistent in every single game

Definitely no argument there, but we really have to ask ourselves a couple of questions. The first being does Camby really fit into our future plans? The answer is most likely no because of his age. Last year Camby was very, very consistent as well, but let's face it Camby fits better on a team that has a lot of seasoned vets and is a championship caliber team like Boston, Lakers, Orlando, Cleveland...etc (not that these teams need a center, but they have a lot of pieces). The Clippers are a long way from that. We have an eclectic mix of old veterans (Baron Davis, Rasual Butler), a guy at his peak (Kaman), and a couple of solid cubs (Al Thornton,Deandre Jordan, Eric Gordon, and Blake Griffin). Since we have more young players we really should center our trading and drafting strategy to have the young nucleus in mind. We really should swap Camby for a young player or draft pick.

Secondly, Camby (although I love his consistent play) will probably not give us this great of production for much longer, so we need to capitalize on the fact that he is very attractive to many other teams.

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But tradign CAmby and bringing in a contract is going to shorten teh chance of us actually landing someone like Wade or JJ etc.

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I doubt we do anything at all, unless it's trade Camby for a prospect or a pick near the deadline... Otherwise, it will be summer time and another chance to rebuild our roster.

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If we bring in more contracts I'm gonna be super pissed.

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Rockford wrote:
clipperloyal11 wrote:
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Not going to waste my time reading anything now... Camby is our best player currently.

yeah honestly, he has been our most valuable player this season. Not Kaman, Not Gordon, or Baron.

Camby's been the only one who was consistent in every single game

Camby has been super hot the last couple weeks and people are all over his jock like hes the GOAT. This after Kaman started to slow production and showed a little inconsistency.

Camby has been the Greatest On the Clippers (making him a GOC) since he arrived in LA. Hes been consistent throughout, he adjusts to the team and is without a doubt the best player on our team at the moment.

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Sorry Rockford but we have no shot at any of the A-listers unless we trade away Baron or Kaman for something that includes expiring contracts.

We are going to have 11-12 mil in cap space this summer. A max deal will be 15-17mil this summer. We have no chance to sign any of these guys. Maybe you can get Richard Jefferson if you're lucky but even that is a long shot.

That's why you dump Camby at the deadline for a big time small forward with 2-4 years remaining on their contract. We take care of our 2010 summer with a Feb. trade and get the new guy in with 35 games ahead of him this season...And it allows us to go beyond the cap and resign Smith, Sool, and Novak if we wish...We could even get Camby back this summer with the midlevel if he would stoop to the level of coming back to this team.

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It is sad that Camby is wasting away his career here in Clipper land. A smart team player like him deserves to go to a winner. By the time Gordon and Griffin are both ready to excel, Camby will be way over the hill. I'd love it if we traded Kaman instead of Camby, but that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

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The Clippers should trade Camby and get someone that can play some inside defense. If the Clippers trade Camby they should get better, look what happen to the Nuggets.

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TheDude wrote:
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But tradign CAmby and bringing in a contract is going to shorten teh chance of us actually landing someone like Wade or JJ etc.

Sorry Rockford but we have no shot at any of the A-listers unless we trade away Baron or Kaman for something that includes expiring contracts.

We are going to have 11-12 mil in cap space this summer. A max deal will be 15-17mil this summer. We have no chance to sign any of these guys. Maybe you can get Richard Jefferson if you're lucky but even that is a long shot.

That's why you dump Camby at the deadline for a big time small forward with 2-4 years remaining on their contract. We take care of our 2010 summer with a Feb. trade and get the new guy in with 35 games ahead of him this season...And it allows us to go beyond the cap and resign Smith, Sool, and Novak if we wish...We could even get Camby back this summer with the midlevel if he would stoop to the level of coming back to this team.

true but who the hell would we trade for? And why not push to move Baron to make a big push at a headliner in 2010

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Dont feel bad for camby. He will bolt after this season and can sign with any title contender this offseason.

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Rockford wrote:
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But tradign CAmby and bringing in a contract is going to shorten teh chance of us actually landing someone like Wade or JJ etc.

Sorry Rockford but we have no shot at any of the A-listers unless we trade away Baron or Kaman for something that includes expiring contracts.

We are going to have 11-12 mil in cap space this summer. A max deal will be 15-17mil this summer. We have no chance to sign any of these guys. Maybe you can get Richard Jefferson if you're lucky but even that is a long shot.

That's why you dump Camby at the deadline for a big time small forward with 2-4 years remaining on their contract. We take care of our 2010 summer with a Feb. trade and get the new guy in with 35 games ahead of him this season...And it allows us to go beyond the cap and resign Smith, Sool, and Novak if we wish...We could even get Camby back this summer with the midlevel if he would stoop to the level of coming back to this team.

true but who the hell would we trade for? And why not push to move Baron to make a big push at a headliner in 2010

I've had tunnel vision for the potential Tayshawn Prince deal. Salaries are almost exact and I think he's exactly what this team needs. A guy with overall basketball skills that plays hard every game. He is a proven winner.

Regarding moving Baron, I don't disagree. It's just not so easy if the primary return value we want are expiring contracts. This is a deal you get done at the deadline I think. Somebody will get hurt, whether it's Rondo or Jameer...Or Cleveland decides to go all in this season. A true contender with a desperate need for the second half of the season is our best chance at this..

Get that done, and you're right, start pushing for Bron or Wade.

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Over the last couple of weeks?

Camby is doing what he's always done his entire career.

I'm a big fan of Kaman, always have been. But I could not truly believe that Kaman could keep up the hot streak he had early on. Part of it I blame on Dunleavy, since he force-feeds Kaman to the point of exhaustion. Kaman remains a good third option, but he shouldn't be forced into a primary scorer role.

On the other hand, I don't expect points from Camby. I just expect balls-out hustle, lots of rebounds, some blocks and some passing. Camby brings all those things every single night.

Camby, greatest of all time? No.

Just really damn consistent.

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elton_sucks42 wrote:
corgiBear8 wrote:
It is sad that Camby is wasting away his career here in Clipper land. A smart team player like him deserves to go to a winner. By the time Gordon and Griffin are both ready to excel, Camby will be way over the hill. I'd love it if we traded Kaman instead of Camby, but that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

Dont feel bad for camby. He will bolt after this season and can sign with any title contender this offseason.

yeah me neither. Hard to feel bad for someone who is getting paid $7 million plus to play hoops, especially for the Clipps!

Pretty sure any of us would do it for free:)

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I just think the Clippers future is not now... We don't have the right pieces and need to make a few more moves. Camby has some value and doesn't really have much value to our long-term prospects. Perhaps could bring us a prospect that will be part of this team in two years. If he could be used to bring us Bayless, that would be a heck of a contribution from a guy we got for a second round pick... We should do it...

Come June, Camby will almost certainly be gone.

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Yeah I agree with you for the most part. Camby might be gone, but the cap space isnt a bad thing. Still, Bayless for essentially our future 2nd round pick would be great value.

I get the feeling the team is still going to wait until Blake gets back and see if the playoffs are even possible. If they arent, I expect the trade deadline to possibly be busy for us- either cashing in on Camby in some way (maybe for Bayless if still available) or even unloading Kaman or Baron (One of our longer and bigger contracts) to look forward to the 2010 free agent class.

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I've been asking for a blow up for a while now. Even when healthy we're nit much better than a 500 team. We might as well just start over and build around Gordon, Griffin, and cap space. DeAndre may fit into this since he's got another year left on his contract and it's dirt cheap.

I have no doubt that we could land an expiring for Kaman. Some team like Dallas would take him. Try to get a young player from them, if not just ask for Dampier straight up. Dampier's contract is expiring if he doesn't play enough minutes.

I'm not sure shat we could do with Baron, but there has to be a team out there that would take him.

Camby I'd trade to a contender for a young piece and an expiring. I'd even let Camby give us a list of teams he prefers to go to. He's been a class act and deserves to be treated like one.

We don't have any hope right now. Our guys go out there and give minimal effort and play without any urgancy. At least having young guys would give us some hope and they'd at least go out and play hard.

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^^^ Agreed... I think these last few weeks we've gotten the best Baron has to offer and it's not enough... And he's not going to get any better.

Re: Trading Camby... He has been a class act and I think you're right, that it's likely he'll be gone at the trade deadline if we're not in the playoff hunt... With Blake's return continually pushed back it's pretty clear the playoffs are a pipe dream. If Camby can be moved now, I'd move him without waiting, but only for the right piece... He'd be a perfect fit in Portland. Good player. Good guy, good rebounder and short contract going to a playoff team. If Bayless can be pried loose from them, I'd do it before they go with another option.

If we were able to unload Zach, I suppose we could unload Baron... I take the attitude that a lot around here take about Kaman. Get rid of him now, while he's playing well before he gets hurt... Baron would be good to trade now, before he loses interest again. And once the playoffs are impossible, what kind of effort do you see Baron putting out? I see little or none.. I'm more on the fence about moving Kaman.

Like I said before, move everyone over 30 and continue building... Because this team wasn't built with a plan at all. It was just a series of reactions to changing situations... We got Baron to keep Brand happy and try to contend for now to go with a vet team of Mobley and Thomas. Brand flew, so we got Camby and then Z-bo because of Dunleavy's miscalculation with Brand and the idea that this team could still compete. Another huge miscalculation resulted in 19 wins and a dog of a team. We sucked so bad, we ended up with two great or potentially great young players to build around... So, let's build around them. Let's actually have a plan.

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^^^ I'm still in favor of hanging on to Kaman, despite his recent lackluster play. This is based on the idea that we'll be able to sign a quality FA in the off season. I think that Kaman's struggles have a lot to do with the fact he's trying to be something he's not -- a go to guy/1st or 2nd option. If he can get back to being a 3rd for 4th option guy, like he was in 05-06, I think he'll be a valuable, productive part of the team since he's still relatively young. I think he's a good complimentary piece to what Gordon and Griffin will become, so I think he fits within the plan of building around our young guys.

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Definitely agree that if we arent in playoff contenion there are going to be some major shakeups at the trading deadline.

Also in regards to Dunleavy he is probably delaying Blake's return so he can coach as long as possible

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Kind of funny how Z-Bo and his team are starting to catch stride as the beat the Cavs last night. Maybe we should of never traded Zach we could have used him even if Griffin never got hurt, there would have been a problem with mintues but I'd rather have the best possible team on the floor.

I also don't believe that this wasn't the time for the Clippers to get it done we have been putting off winning for quite some time if we blow it up I personally don't want any of the current staff near any new prospects.

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