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Post subject: How many losses will it take for you to want Dunleavy gone?
Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 03:17 AM PST
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There are 14 games in November and we already lost 4 in October.
How bad does our record have to be, by the end of November, for you to want Dunleavy gone?
Also, if it gets bad enough, would you be willing to petition the Clippers for REAL?
Personally I've reached my limit already. 4 in a row to start the season is pretty bad. |
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Post subject: RE: How many losses will it take for you to want Dunleavy go
Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 03:47 AM PST
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Post subject: RE: How many losses will it take for you to want Dunleavy go
Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 03:48 AM PST
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if we keep playing well as a team but are losing games to bad rebounding, quick shots, and turnovers, then ill be lenient.
keep in mind we've played well against the lakers, jazz, suns, dallas - all solid teams this year. 8-3 combined record. take away the quick shot inspired 4th quarter meltdowns, and our record is deceiving. we'll be fine. |
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Post subject: RE: How many losses will it take for you to want Dunleavy go
Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 03:56 AM PST
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Post subject: RE: How many losses will it take for you to want Dunleavy go
Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 04:07 AM PST
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| Yeah but i'm looking for a number... what's your threshold? |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 04:31 AM PST
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| This team has been competitive in all four losses. I can't help feeling that last year's team would've lost at least one of those four games by twenty. The problems so far seem fixable, especially if the guys continue to play together. Denver coach George Karl says that you can't really tell about a team until around 25 games in, so perhaps some of our evaluations are premature. For that matter, it takes no genius to realize that however the team is playing at the time, when Griffin comes back if he's healthy it's a whole new ballgame for the balance of the season. Thus far though, the Clippers have been competitive and have even shown some chemistry, things you didn't get to say that often last year. Patience. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 05:13 AM PST
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| if we dont start winning soon while kaman is still 100%, then dunleavly is gone. he has no excuse |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 05:14 AM PST
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| There is no "take away this" or "if" that We lost period.Except for the sporadic Baron Davis sightings we're good and not on paper. We are better than Dallas if we play to potential. Since he has a history of blowing the 4th quarter I'd say after the next game |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 05:29 AM PST
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I know your not a big BD fan Numb3r but he can not play in Dunleavys system,
also the man is smothering some of these young players, namely EJ who could thrive under another coaches playing style
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 10:34 AM PST
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I used to be hesitant to want to drop Dunleavy, because as I looked at the available coaches, I didn't see anyone out there who would do any better. It's just the usual retreads and never-been theres. So, I came up with the answer, nobody. I don't think there's anyone out there who is demonstrable better than Dunleavy... I'm starting to look at it differently, saying, "who could do any worse?" The answer, I don't think there's anyone out there who would be demonstrably worse...
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 11:19 AM PST
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| I think there's a good chance if we lose tonight against the Wolves. We'd be losing to a bad team with a rookie coach. We also don't play again until Friday which would give our new coach (Lucas) time to put in some of his own stuff. The timing would just seem to be right. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 11:36 AM PST
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| If we lose tonight I'll have to start blaming Dun. If we go 3-10 or worse then we should think about firing him. that means we have to go .500 over the next three game. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 11:58 AM PST
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| 0-14 and he should be as good as gone imo. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:25 PM PST
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u want dunleavy fired and are ready and excited for john lucas?
lucas' last 4 head coaching records:
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:34 PM PST
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I have been wanting his a$$ gone since last year!
Hopefully this will be the year if he is failing the way he is right now. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:40 PM PST
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| Guys I know u guys are talking about this year in particularly but IMHO I believe he should of been gone a long time ago. It is past due. I feel that he has been given ample opportunity to turn this franchise around. I mean yeah we have had a lot of injuries and all but with the players that we have had in the past (Brand, Maggette, Sam, Cat and even Zack) should of translated into more wins. Why can other teams win when they struggle thru injuries or their main player is out.?? With The players we have now we should be competitive with EVERY team in the league and an 8th seed is the lowest we should except. I believe this team SHOULD be at least a 5th or 6th seed. One playoff appearance in his term is not good enough. I like his moves as a GM and I feel he should make another good move and move aside and give some one else an opportunity. But who?? Sometimes I dont understand his way of thinking...his player rotations, his substitutions...Daniel Ewing anyone???It seems players quit on Dumbleavy and don't buy into him. I feel this is a playoff caliber team and that we will improve but the reality is Dumbleavy cannot lead us to a Championship. Does anyone truly believe otherwise? I could possibly see him taking us back to the playoffs but not helping us win a championship. Sure playoffs are nice but I want to see championships!! |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:48 PM PST
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Well as little as a couple of days ago there were a lot of defenders here with the "we are getting started, give it time" stuff (and telling those of us that have been fans for over 20 years to become Faker fans if we didn't like the way the team was going). Many seemed to think 20 games was a magic number,,"see how we do in 20 games" without Blake and then make the call. SO I will give it 20. I've resigned myself to that. If at 20 we are 5-15,,time for him to go because that means we suck as bad as last year.
I do believe , no..I know, our team is better then last year as far as personnel so I don't see why we are not better except for one thing that hasn't changed in the last few years. So 20.
After looking at the numbers EKKER3 posted makes me think Lucas is not the answer either (that could fall under the be careful what we wish for column). What is the answer is beyond me....
I also think nothing will really happen because Sterling will think in his brain that we have to wait for Griffen to be back before our season starts. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:51 PM PST
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frankiefkmor wrote:
Guys I know u guys are talking about this year in particularly but IMHO I believe he should of been gone a long time ago. It is past due. I feel that he has been given ample opportunity to turn this franchise around. I mean yeah we have had a lot of injuries and all but with the players that we have had in the past (Brand, Maggette, Sam, Cat and even Zack) should of translated into more wins. Why can other teams win when they struggle thru injuries or their main player is out.?? With The players we have now we should be competitive with EVERY team in the league and an 8th seed is the lowest we should except. I believe this team SHOULD be at least a 5th or 6th seed. One playoff appearance in his term is not good enough. I like his moves as a GM and I feel he should make another good move and move aside and give some one else an opportunity. But who?? Sometimes I dont understand his way of thinking...his player rotations, his substitutions...Daniel Ewing anyone???It seems players quit on Dumbleavy and don't buy into him. I feel this is a playoff caliber team and that we will improve but the reality is Dumbleavy cannot lead us to a Championship. Does anyone truly believe otherwise? I could possibly see him taking us back to the playoffs but not helping us win a championship. Sure playoffs are nice but I want to see championships!!
this is what i dont get. people continue to praise his moves as GM but criticize him as a coach. they then go on to say he should be winning regardless if half the roster is injured (see past 2-3 years). it was obvious that a key issue surrounding last year, aside from injuries, was chemistry (even the players will tell you that). the GM is directly responsible for acquiring injury-prone players and players that will complement each other and fill rolls (chemistry). that hasn't happened.
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:17 PM PST
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Ekker...What is there not to get?? That Dumbleavy's record from 2003 to present is:
194 wins 301 losses? Is that acceptable to you or to anyone? Has he maximized the potential of any of our players?? UMM...No! Injuries are a part of the game you cant change. If a coach is liked and respected players will play for you and give it your all...not roll over like in years past. As much as i h8 FELTON, I think he knew Dumbleavy was gonna stay for a while and knew that even with Baron they would still not get over the hump.
On the other hand as a GM, he has done what a GM is suppose to do and that is bring in players!! The coach is suppose to coach and the GM supplies the talent. If the coach suxs then he cant coach the talent to translate into wins. I feel that there is talent on this team and in addition he has put this team together without us having to go into the luxury tax with some manageable contracts given the team flexibility to make additional moves now and in the future if need be. But if the coach cant coach and have his team believe in him then it does no good! |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:24 PM PST
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frankiefkmor wrote:
Ekker...What is there not to get?? That Dumbleavy's record from 2003 to present is:
194 wins 301 losses? Is that acceptable to you or to anyone? Has he maximized the potential of any of our players?? UMM...No! Injuries are a part of the game you cant change. If a coach is liked and respected players will play for you and give it your all...not roll over like in years past. As much as i h8 FELTON, I think he knew Dumbleavy was gonna stay for a while and knew that even with Baron they would still not get over the hump.
194 wins, 301 losses + elton, kaman, cassell, maggette, baron, camby, livy, randolph, etc. etc. etc all being injured + having a team admittedly half-ass it = decent job. you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink.
as far as maximizing potential, dun's done (lol) a good job of brining in thornton and gordon in slowly. i think he's done a fantastic job maximizing their potential. baron doesnt count because he's in his own little world. look at what he did with EB and now with kaman.
yes injuries are a part of the game you cant change but inury-prone players do exist and baron/camby are part of that (some might say kaman and griffin). |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:41 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
this is what i dont get. people continue to praise his moves as GM but criticize him as a coach. they then go on to say he should be winning regardless if half the roster is injured (see past 2-3 years). it was obvious that a key issue surrounding last year, aside from injuries, was chemistry (even the players will tell you that).
so is it really the GM or the Coach that's at fault?
The reason why the majority of Clipper fans don't criticize him as GM is because he's actively bringing in not just mediocre players, but good players. He's always on the phone looking to do deals. I believe it started last summer when we brought in a franchise high 9 or 10 new players thanks to Maggs and Brand's departure via free agency. When Elgin was GM he would absolutely do nothing to improve this team and that is what ticked off most of the fans.
The aspect that gets to me about Dunleavy is the "Head Coach" title, which is a totally different matter. He has brought in players who excel in an open court up tempo system in Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Al Thornton, Telfair, Butler, Griffin (currently injured), DeAndre Jordan, Craig Smith,but we still see the same slow down iso offense these past 4 games. So in theory, he should also get part of the blame as GM, since he's brought in some players who just doesn't fit in with his rigged over-controlling system. He's just too predictable. When the defense tightens up in the 4th, this is where he really gets exposed. He doesn't have a set rotation and his subsitution patterns are just beyond pathetic. It's things like this that make the majority of Clipper Nation go.  |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:49 PM PST
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| This team has way too much talent to be a lottery team this is with blake injured. Dunleavy built this team, he made the moves, he coaches them. He is the most accountable person on this team. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:49 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
frankiefkmor wrote:
Guys I know u guys are talking about this year in particularly but IMHO I believe he should of been gone a long time ago. It is past due. I feel that he has been given ample opportunity to turn this franchise around. I mean yeah we have had a lot of injuries and all but with the players that we have had in the past (Brand, Maggette, Sam, Cat and even Zack) should of translated into more wins. Why can other teams win when they struggle thru injuries or their main player is out.?? With The players we have now we should be competitive with EVERY team in the league and an 8th seed is the lowest we should except. I believe this team SHOULD be at least a 5th or 6th seed. One playoff appearance in his term is not good enough. I like his moves as a GM and I feel he should make another good move and move aside and give some one else an opportunity. But who?? Sometimes I dont understand his way of thinking...his player rotations, his substitutions...Daniel Ewing anyone???It seems players quit on Dumbleavy and don't buy into him. I feel this is a playoff caliber team and that we will improve but the reality is Dumbleavy cannot lead us to a Championship. Does anyone truly believe otherwise? I could possibly see him taking us back to the playoffs but not helping us win a championship. Sure playoffs are nice but I want to see championships!!
this is what i dont get. people continue to praise his moves as GM but criticize him as a coach. they then go on to say he should be winning regardless if half the roster is injured (see past 2-3 years). it was obvious that a key issue surrounding last year, aside from injuries, was chemistry (even the players will tell you that). the GM is directly responsible for acquiring injury-prone players and players that will complement each other and fill rolls (chemistry). that hasn't happened.
so is it really the GM or the Coach that's at fault?
Ekker3 I understand your point, but sometimes a person who can find talent may not always be the right person to bring it out or use it in the best way. Lets look at our co-tenants, after Colonel Sanders (er, I mean Phil Jackson) came back from his retirement he led the Lakers to the playoff. But the year before that another coach could not quite be as successful (I want to say it was Rudy Tomjanovich...is that right?) with the same squad.
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:52 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
u want dunleavy fired and are ready and excited for john lucas?
lucas' last 4 head coaching records:
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At this point, it's not about an incoming coach's record. It's about CHANGE. Last season, the Thunder fired Carlesimo and brought in Scott Brooks(rookie coach) and they played better. The Bulls hired Del Negro(another rookie coach) and they took the Celtics to 7 games in the 1st round. Heat brought in Spoelstra(rookie coach) and made the playoffs.
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:57 PM PST
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illastrate wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
u want dunleavy fired and are ready and excited for john lucas?
lucas' last 4 head coaching records:
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At this point, it's not about an incoming coach's record. It's about CHANGE. Last season, the Thunder fired Carlesimo and brought in Scott Brooks(rookie coach) and they played better. The Bulls hired Del Negro(another rookie coach) and they took the Celtics to 7 games in the 1st round. Heat brought in Spoelstra(rookie coach) and made the playoffs.
Sometimes you gotta make a change to find out how good a team can be.
Good point. I still wouldn't pick Lucas as my first option though. Ekkers stats were alarming |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:59 PM PST
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| Co-sign on change, though I don't think Lucas is a viable option considering his hilarious speech impediment. Anyways, there's is no good reason for Dunleavy being in charge of his team and there hasn't been one for years. If Clips start off 0-7, considering who their next 3 opponents are, they've GOT to can him. Worked wonders for the Thunder, and Carlesimo and Dunleavy are about the same kind of coach. Jerks no one listens to. |
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CamoCLip wrote:
I know your not a big BD fan Numb3r but he can not play in Dunleavys system,
also the man is smothering some of these young players, namely EJ who could thrive under another coaches playing style
In answer to your question i want him gone now before he inhibits this teams talent any further
I think both Dunleavy and Baron need to to go. I tried to justify keeping Dun in my head and also thought we should give Baron another go, but its clear neither one fo them are going to bring short term or long term winning to our franchise. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 03:11 PM PST
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I don't want Dumbleavy to go, I just want him to be relased of his coaching duties.
You guys keep talking about John Lucas, and his record speaks for himself.
But what about the other assistants that have been alongside Dumbleavy?
I am not talking about hiring them as a coach for good, but as an interim until their Dumb & Dumber find someone out there that can take this team to the next level. |
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| There's bound to be a coach out there who would want the job. There's a lot of talent and a lot of veterans who would probably play well if they were motivated to. I think I would love to have someone who has a championship in his resume, but there aren't many of those available at the moment |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 04:43 PM PST
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| You mean Cassell? I'd love to give him a shot at the wheel, can't do muchworse than Dun! |
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Clipper-Josh wrote:
I don't want Dumbleavy to go, I just want him to be relased of his coaching duties.
You guys keep talking about John Lucas, and his record speaks for himself.
But what about the other assistants that have been alongside Dumbleavy?
I am not talking about hiring them as a coach for good, but as an interim until their Dumb & Dumber find someone out there that can take this team to the next level.
thats what i meant. Dunleavy as "coach" needs to go, but keep him as GM |
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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Is there any way we can get Sammy C? That's the bomb
Would be my choice, he is the only one that could motivate them to close. Where is he today? |
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| Looking at the roster, I would think there would be lots of people interested in coaching the Clippers. I think we need a players coach and I know we have discussed this in the past many times during our yearly "Fire Dunleavy Thread" . The season is still early but my confidence in MDSR over the past few years has withered. Like I said b4 he could probably lead us to another playoff birth but can he be a Championship coach?? IMHO I dont think so but winning cures everything. I seriously believe a change is needed now or in the very near future. Love the Clippers get a us a win tonight. Avery??Mark Jackson?? Budenholzer (Spurs), B. Shaw, D. Collins ....Don MacLean, Michael Eaves, Mike Smith...lol. Had to get some humor in, Come On Clippers JUST WIN! |
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| This is ridic... he should have never been hired... Id love to have alvin gentry back. |
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| 0-5 and he is out. 1-6 and he is out. |
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| Whatever, we all know hes staying his final 2 years of his contract, so all we can do is hope for the best. |
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No one wants him to stay but the sad truth is were probably stuck with him...so in actuality this should be a obvious questionn. The answer?
0...because we already want Dunleavy gone |
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| How about 2 years ago. This is a joke and so is Sterling and myself for being a fan. Ax the moron now while the team is young and wanting to win. |
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Some of us want him to stay but the sad truth is were probably stuck with him...so in actuality this should be a obvious questionn. The answer?
0...because some of us already want Dunleavy gone
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ekker3 wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
Some of us want him to stay but the sad truth is were probably stuck with him...so in actuality this should be a obvious questionn. The answer?
0...because some of us already want Dunleavy gone
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ekker3 are you backing Dunleavy to stay on as coach? If so, what are your reasons for him staying. |
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lakerh8r wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
Some of us want him to stay but the sad truth is were probably stuck with him...so in actuality this should be a obvious questionn. The answer?
0...because some of us already want Dunleavy gone
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ekker3 are you backing Dunleavy to stay on as coach? If so, what are your reasons for him staying.
short version:
- when he took over as coach we improved our record 3 consecutive years.
28-54
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injuries hit the 3 years after and thus, the 3 losing seasons.
even without cassell and livingston, we managed a 40 win season with daniel ewing and jason hart running the show. the year after we had dan dickau, josh powell, fazekas, aaron williams, andre barrett, guillermo diaz all getting MASSIVE playing time and we STILL ended up with a better record than the baron davis led bunch. comparing 07-08 and 08-09 will show you that the blame falls on the players for their individual selfishness and bad play. the dan dickau group actually played sound team ball and had fight.
- stability is key for progress. switching coaches just prolongs the problem.
- all last season, everyone was jumping on dunleavy for not letting the team run. this year we're running marathons and destroying teams on fast break points YET certain players are STILL chucking up ill-advised shots early in the shot clock, not boxing out, turning the ball over, etc. (that is the one carry over from the half-ass play from last year).
firing dunleavy and getting ANOTHER coach is just giving fans a false sense of change. we have a solid foundation of talent on the court and until they can start limiting their own personal errors, the problems will continue, regardless of who's coaching. |
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| dunleavy is a p3nis. thats all there is to it. |
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Sorry Ekker..many of us on this board are much more attracted to logic. Im going to simple state a few things. First of all, Dunleavy put this team together and Dunleavy is basically running the whole show, and for that matter has been even before Elgin Baylor was fired. Dunleavy will not step down as head coach because his ego is much to large. That is why Milwaukee had to fire him after he held duel roles. This guys is hurting this team and needs to be let go. That is all there is to it.
Before you say that its because of the mistakes we make in the game let me just say one thing. This guy is a micromanaging freak and if a coach isnt on a team to put a coherent game plan down and make sure the players run it then what does he do?
If Dunleavy can't get this team to play inspired basketball for 4 quarters then its time to go!
Coaching in the NBA is pretty simple...you lose and your out of there, and Dunleavy is long overdue |
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clipper321 wrote:
Sorry Ekker..many of us on this board are much more attracted to logic. Im going to simple state a few things. First of all, Dunleavy put this team together and Dunleavy is basically running the whole show, and for that matter has been even before Elgin Baylor was fired. Dunleavy will not step down as head coach because his ego is much to large. That is why Milwaukee had to fire him after he held duel roles. This guys is hurting this team and needs to be let go. That is all there is to it.
Before you say that its because of the mistakes we make in the game let me just say one thing. This guy is a micromanaging freak and if a coach isnt on a team to put a coherent game plan down and make sure the players run it then what does he do?
If Dunleavy can't get this team to play inspired basketball for 4 quarters then its time to go!
Coaching in the NBA is pretty simple...you lose and your out of there, and Dunleavy is long overdue
how has dunleavy's ego caused this team to start 0-4?
although i agree the norm is to fire a coach if the results arent there, i still think that firing him will serve no purpose other than quieting the haters and making them thing the problem is solved. |
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I wasn't saying Dunleavy's ego has caused this team to start 0-4 what I meant was that with his ego he will not simply step down as coach and stay GM...I just wanted to emphasize that to all those who want their cake and eat it.(not sure if this is the correct expression but eh haha)
As far as firing him, if this continues why not fire him?
It would be a radical change that could produce positive results..and I don't think we could get much worse. (Actually after I saw the bobcats and Nets play I could just be wrong)
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ekker3 wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
Sorry Ekker..many of us on this board are much more attracted to logic. Im going to simple state a few things. First of all, Dunleavy put this team together and Dunleavy is basically running the whole show, and for that matter has been even before Elgin Baylor was fired. Dunleavy will not step down as head coach because his ego is much to large. That is why Milwaukee had to fire him after he held duel roles. This guys is hurting this team and needs to be let go. That is all there is to it.
Before you say that its because of the mistakes we make in the game let me just say one thing. This guy is a micromanaging freak and if a coach isnt on a team to put a coherent game plan down and make sure the players run it then what does he do?
If Dunleavy can't get this team to play inspired basketball for 4 quarters then its time to go!
Coaching in the NBA is pretty simple...you lose and your out of there, and Dunleavy is long overdue
how has dunleavy's ego caused this team to start 0-4?
although i agree the norm is to fire a coach if the results arent there, i still think that firing him will serve no purpose other than quieting the haters and making them thing the problem is solved.
What purpose does it serve in keeping him if we continue to lose? If we make a coaching change, it could propel us to better days. If it fails, we go to back to square one. However, if we keep Dun and are still losing, we would have never left square one at all. |
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illastrate wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
Sorry Ekker..many of us on this board are much more attracted to logic. Im going to simple state a few things. First of all, Dunleavy put this team together and Dunleavy is basically running the whole show, and for that matter has been even before Elgin Baylor was fired. Dunleavy will not step down as head coach because his ego is much to large. That is why Milwaukee had to fire him after he held duel roles. This guys is hurting this team and needs to be let go. That is all there is to it.
Before you say that its because of the mistakes we make in the game let me just say one thing. This guy is a micromanaging freak and if a coach isnt on a team to put a coherent game plan down and make sure the players run it then what does he do?
If Dunleavy can't get this team to play inspired basketball for 4 quarters then its time to go!
Coaching in the NBA is pretty simple...you lose and your out of there, and Dunleavy is long overdue
how has dunleavy's ego caused this team to start 0-4?
although i agree the norm is to fire a coach if the results arent there, i still think that firing him will serve no purpose other than quieting the haters and making them thing the problem is solved.
What purpose does it serve in keeping him if we continue to lose? If we make a coaching change, it could propel us to better days. If it fails, we go to back to square one. However, if we keep Dun and are still losing, we would have never left square one at all.
i can respect that argument.
but i disagree for 2 reasons: 1. stability is essential, and 2. i dont think there's better coaching options out there at the moment. |
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| There are only so many variables in an equation. Step back. Would this team be better with Larry Brown or Doc Rivers? I would add D'Antoni but we don't have the shooters. How about Van Gundy? How about Alvin Gentry? I know most aren't available but my point is if you answered Yes to any of the above, your Dunleavy question is answered. He needs to go period. Get an Interem coach. If it's No then look for problems elsewhere like the team of well conditioned losers. Kinda like Pavlov's dogs. they salivate at the sound of a buzzer. The Clipps fold at the start of the 4th quarter or do they panic and pee in the corner? |
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