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clipper*joe
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With the roster full at 15 players now, is it possible that we might be in contention for a play-off spot??? I have been very pleased with the new faces on the team that the front office has acquired in the OFF SEASON. They are not major stars but they can contribute . They (Patterson & Knight) are not young but they have plenty of gas in their tanks. They won't be long termed players by any means but they will serve a "special purpose".... hold the fort till Livingston and Brand come back. Although Patterson can't fill EB's shoes (PF) on offense, he can surely compete with him on the defensive side. Knight if healthy, will improve our front court on the defensive end. I have no worries other then his health...no injuries please!

If Cassell can stay healthy all year , I'm sure he will be the driving force for a play-off spot. I think he is the key for productive season without our 2 stars. If he can mold the new faces with the old, I believe we can make the play-offs without EB and Livingston. I know it sounds far-fetched but we have promise now. This team will no longer have to depend on running a one dimensional offense or depend on one guy to win a game but

rather depend on one another to accomplish a goal. This is the epitome of team work.

Don't get me wrong , I love my favorite player(Brand) but know we will see how we do under the strain of not having the our "safety net".

we will also see and grade how the front office took care of "damage control". We can grade the front office on whether they made the right choices in players. I for one believe that they did. I know feel better about our chances in making the play-offs with the current active players.

What about you?????

Clips84
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I know we'll definitely make it to the playoffs this year and make crazy noise in our division. We'll blow right pass that other LA team...whachamacall'em again?? Fakers? Whiners? BallHoggers? Losers?? Oh i Dont know...

But let me tell ya...I've already got my calendar marked for every home/away games on tv! I've even set up days off when the Clippers are playing hahaha!!!

jlemmen43
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If they Clippers play harder than they've ever played before and players stay healthy...we'll be cheering them on in the playoffs.

JamFan
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Remember, last season it was EB and Corey that were basically carrying this team on their shoulders. Now, 1/2 of that dynamic duo is not likely available for some time. There is a difference between good players and great players that carry a team deep into the playoffs. We need EB back before we make that leap of faith. When EB and Shaun both come back.......man, we will be tough.

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Correct BUT that was only because of Cassell's and Kaman's injury. It was also Different players contributing at different times in the season. Maggette starting playing SMART BALL towards the end of the season only after he became a starter again. Brand's numbers also fell compared to the prior season (2005-2006) due to the dbl teams on him. Although Brands shooting % was up, his numbers were down. Mobley also played a big part with his 3 pt shooting improvement. Quinten Ross also picked up his shooting %. I thought Ross was the most improved player aside from Maggette and Mobley. Maggette improved by way of playing smart and Mobley by improving his 3 pt shot. Mobley had in my opinion more vital shots made than any other Clipper last year. I remember dozens of games where he made game turning 3 point shots that won us games. Maggette kept us in games by way of getting fouled going to the basket. we both make great points but in the end I think great teams go deep in the play-offs not great players.

I don't consider the Clippers making the play-offs a "leap of faith". The Clippers didn't mesh well all season long and yet they still could have made the play-offs on the last regular season game. If this doesn't change your mind, consider that both Lakers and Warriors have not made any significant changes that would boost your argument. I only see the Suns as the team to beat and the others for us to lose.

I never said that we would go deep into the play-offs , I said we could make the play-offs with the team we have. I was trying to say that we have a good team right now...thats all. Not all words I say have to be taken at face value. I was just happy with the changes or quick fixes the front office have made. I agree with you that once EB and Liv come back all teams should watch out but my optimism is looking at the team we have now and I like it.

If you want to look at it another way, I will include the stats for last season on both the new players and the injured to compare the differences...if your a stat guy, I hope it helps.

Shaun Livingston

PPG= 9.3 APG = 4.8 RPG =3.1 TO = 2 FG%= 44% FT% =71%

Brevin Knight

PPG= 9.1 APG = 6.6 RPG = 2.6 TO = 2 FG% = 41%

FT%= 80%

PPG / APG / RPG / TO / FG% / FT%

Ruben Patterson

14.7 / 2.9 / 5.4 / 2.4 / 54% / 64%

Elton Brand

20.5 / 2.7 / 9.3 / 2.5 / 53% / 76%

***Brevin Knight can surely fill Livingston's shoes while he is out but Patterson's numbers should drop if comes off the bench. I know stats don't mean a thing but it sure does help to know that the players are capable of putting up those type of numbers.

JamFan
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Thanks for proving my point. We didn't make the playoffs last year, and there is no statistical reason that shows we have improved ourselves this year, at least so far. So we can only talk about intangibles which require a leap of faith. The wild card here to me is Al Thorton. My leap of faith tells me that if we make to the next level, it will be because this guy is actually a lot better than any of us could imagined.

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I don't think you understand what "leap of faith" means. My whole post speaks about "leap of faith". You say;

"We need EB back before we make that leap of faith". If Eb comes back it wouldn't be a leap of faith..it would be expected of the team. A leap of faith is an act or instance of accepting or trusting in something that cannot readily be seen or proved. I trust and see this team at least making the first round thus making it a leap of faith.

Regardless of who(Thorton) and how may players contribute to taking it to the next level as you put it, you just proved my point in that it is possible to make the play-offs. Who and how is not important only that we believe it can Happen. I'll agree with you for the sake of argument, Thorton will be the guy to do it, hell, Guillermo Diaz will be the guy to do it ...I really don't care as long as they do it.

By the way, It's when there are no INTANGIBLES that it becomes a leap of faith.

"DON"T STOP BELIEVING.... CLIPPERS NATION"

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Thanks for proving my point. We didn't make the playoffs last year, and there is no statistical reason that shows we have improved ourselves this year, at least so far. So we can only talk about intangibles which require a leap of faith. The wild card here to me is Al Thorton. My leap of faith tells me that if we make to the next level, it will be because this guy is actually a lot better than any of us could imagined.

I don't think you understand what "leap of faith" means. My whole post speaks about "leap of faith". You say;

"We need EB back before we make that leap of faith". If Eb comes back it wouldn't be a leap of faith..it would be expected of the team. A leap of faith is an act or instance of accepting or trusting in something that cannot readily be seen or proved. I trust and see this team at least making the first round thus making it a leap of faith.

Regardless of who(Thorton) and how may players contribute to taking it to the next level as you put it, you just proved my point in that it is possible to make the play-offs. Who and how is not important only that we believe it can Happen. I'll agree with you for the sake of argument, Thorton will be the guy to do it, hell, Guillermo Diaz will be the guy to do it ...I really don't care as long as they do it.

By the way, It's when there are no INTANGIBLES that it becomes a leap of faith.

"DON"T STOP BELIEVING.... CLIPPERS NATION"

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It's when there are no TANGIBLES that it becomes a leap of faith.

david
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Well without Brand, and it in the Western Conference- I say it'd be a TREMENDOUS job if we're able to stay at around .500. Is .500 good enough to get into the playoffs? Probably not- but if EB & Shaun get back ahead of schedule there's definite a good chance I say. I love the enthusiasm though- and not matter what we will always have their back! That's Clipper Nation!

glassandahalf
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Yeah, i love your enthusiasm, guys.

I reckon we will probably get about 20-30 wins this year, but thats because Im the type that doesnt mind having low expectations... so that when all the parts of the team click and we do make the playoffs, i can eat my words, and its so much better doing it that way around!

Clips84
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Everyone...

It's a perfectly clear sign the Clippers will be in contention, as well as, make it through the season w/out the disappointing predictions these critics out there are trying to imply.

Seriously tho...

Clippers are not going to be the Memphis Grizzlies.

The Clippers do rely on Elton Brand, he's the leader and the force that keeps the team from everything else the league throws at them. But there's a catch: WE HAVE "PLAYERS"

Such players as:

Corey Maggette

Sam Cassell

Chris Kaman

Cuttino Mobley

Al Thornton

Tim Thomas

Quinton Ross

Paul Davis

Ruben Patterson

Guillermo Diaz

Brevin Knight

Record this year=43-38

toohipcliptoslip
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Sometimes I don't express mysely as well as I'd like but.. . I believe this team's success depends on intangables because we have the talent. Intangibles are the cards you're delt. The trick to maximize your + and minimize your minuses (never draw to an inside straight). Good gambling, not a leap of faith. The scenario I presented was just a hand in poker. We screwed up last season and the season before. The great thing about screwing up is to succeed just don't make the same mistake. You have control.(Sam will never forget 8 sec). What will happen. Corey's always wanted to a leader. He has to step up because crow tastes bad. We will have to give Thornton /Davis minutes and we'll test their mettle. We'll play with a sense of urgency. A little bit below .500. Brand comes back with a vengance. Thornton/Davis have minutes under their belts. Solid #7 weak #6 in PO's but unless it's the Spurs we destroy our first two opponents. Present team a little below .500. A fight like last yr. for #8 but real good chance.

david
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I agree toohip- ~.500 would be great. That are certainly a lot of variables/intangibles:

-When will EB be back?

-How long before EB becomes effective after he's back?

-When will Shaun be back?

-How long before Shaun's back before he can make a positive impact?

-How will Sam & Brevin hold up health-wise?

-Will Maggette stay healthy?

-Is Thornton ready to make important contributions?

-Will Kaman surpass his stats from two seasons ago?

-etc.

If the answer to all those questions is of positive nature, then heck yeah we're in the playoffs. But that's a lot to hope for, but you never know- it's certainly due time for lady luck to grace the Clippers with her presence Smile. Hard work certainly will help also.

SteelLAC2010
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I think we will be better since we got Ruben Patterson and when we get Livingston and Brand back we'll be a force to be recokoned with

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I like the Clips, but don't expect better than 0.500. One or two of the key players is going to get injured in the 1st half which will bring the bench into play (Ross, Davis, Thorton, A Williams, Powell). Livvy & Brand are effectively out for the season. The Clips would have to get some big improvements from somewhere (Cassell, Maggette, Kamen, Mobley) to be an upper-bracket team in the West. Someone will have to become an NBA stat leader and step up to the pressure ... we'll see.

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That's what I'm talking about. The Clippers don't have to be an upper bracket team to get into the play-offs. In fact, the west doesn't look that hot aside from the top 4 to 5 teams that usually make it every year. We have a shot at the last 2 spots with the team that we have now. The average teams that made it last year have lost key players as well. Warriors lost Jason Richardson and Nellie is far from agreeing to coach the team. Rumor has it that Jeff van Gundy might fill his shoes if Nellie doesn't sign. The run and gun might not run anymore. The Lakers have less of a chance of making the play-offs than we do. That team is a mess and don't think that Kobe's rant won't effect the team this season. Rumor has it he still wants out of Los Angeles.

I agree that .500 is a realistic view of what the clippers can accomplish but what if they click? I don't expect the Clips to do better than 7 or 8 seed but anything can happen.

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