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yup, now im all depressed.

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What is the chance of winning the lottery two years in a row?

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A lot of people here buy into Dunleavy as a great GM... I don't...

First, he goes out and gets Baron to play with a team that he thinks will include Brand, Maggette, Mobley, Kaman and Tim Thomas as its featured players. He ignores the fact that Baron is a run and gun player while the Clippers are a big, slow team built to play in the half court. He also doesn't take into account Baron's proclivity to weight gain and not take every season seriously. It's a bad match. He also doesn't notice the beginnings of deterioration in Baron's athleticism. He signs him for five years in a move that has already proven to be a disaster and will only get moreso.

He blows the Brand negotiation by dealing with Brand behind his agent's back. Brand flees. Maggette flees.

He grabs Camby. Great move, made possible by the fact that we were one of the few teams under the cap. This is because Dunleavy just lost Brand and Maggette, Brand being the cornerstone he was planning to build his team around... His incompetence got us Camby.

He drafts Gordon... I'm not sure who else he might have considered, but I'll give him that one, though he more or less fell into our lap the way Thornton did the year before. Jordan falls into the second round, another easy pick up. But, I'll give him that one too.

Then signs perennial loser, Ricky Davis to a F/A contact.

Now, he's built a patchwork team with no identity. Injuries hit early and he panics and blows our cap space on Zach Randolph, a career loser (who, by the way, is working his wonders for Memphis now and making them even worse despite his 20-10). Dunleavy, who had always been a defensive coach goes out and gets the worst defensive 4 in league history. Total panic move by the GM to try to save the coach's ass. Now we have a team with three of the most overrated players in league history, Baron, Z-Bo and Ricky. All of them poor leaders and poor examples for younger players.

His big free agent signing, Baron, flat out quits on him. Randolph doesn't help. The only positive is Gordon. The season is one of the worst ever.

Flash forward to June and Dunleavy's incompetence as both a GM and a coach works to his benefit once again, as it did in acquiring Camby. We get a lot of ping pong balls and wind up with Blake.

In a positive move, he manages to to make up for his huge mistake and unload Randolph by finding a GM (owner probably) dumber than he is, giving us back our cap room.

In probably his best move as GM (actually based on his own competence) he turns Q into Smith and Bassy.

He makes an apparently nice pickup in Butler, though from what we've seen so far, maybe New Orleans knew something Dunleavy didn't.

He's got a team with lots of talent, a healthy Kaman, Camby, Gordon, Baron, Smith, Bassy, Thornton, Butler and, of couse, Griffin... GM Dunleavy vows this will be a running team, despite the fact that coach Dunleavy is a half court coach...

In pre-season GM Dunleave makes another fatal mistake. He doesn't bring in enough depth at the 1/2. Instead he signs Rush, yet another marginal 3 to go with the five we already have who can play that position... marginally... It comes back to haunt us early when Gordon goes down, leaving us with only one quick defensive guard in Bassy. Baron has long passed the point when he can actually guard a quick player even on those occasions when he's interested in trying to. I'm not lobbying for Taylor here, because Taylor is not an NBA talent... But others were available... Sessions, Watson. Arroyo... All would have been much more valuable on this team than Ricky, Collins and Rush.

So while I give coach Dunleavy a solid F, I can't rate GM Dunleavy a whole lot higher. C- at best... A few points for bringing in Bassy and Smith. A few more for not blowing the draft by taking Bayless rather than Gordon. Another point for grabbing Jordan and Butler... But, his greatest asset has been his own incompetence. That's what brought us Blake and Camby.

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I can't find it now but somebody posted on a different thread the other day that, at some point, the continuing losses and discontent from the fans will affect Sterling's wallet as much or more so than the cost of replacing Dunleavy.

It would be great if we could get a petition together of people who commit to purchase season tickets for the remainder of this season immediately. All he has to do is fire Dunleavy and we'll all buy season tickets the next day.

I'd be willing to invest a couple grand to never see that guy's face on the sideline again.

Idea #2:Whoever is able, contributes to a full page ad in the Sunday LA Times sports section. Basically a letter to Sterling from the fans that demands Dunleavy's firing immediately. Pretty sure Simers and the other sports writers would put in a good word and get us a cheap price.

Come on guys! It's the holidays. It's a good cause. Dig deep! Think about the children dammit!

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I can't find it now but somebody posted on a different thread the other day that, at some point, the continuing losses and discontent from the fans will affect Sterling's wallet as much or more so than the cost of replacing Dunleavy. It would be great if we could get a petition together of people who commit to purchase season tickets for the remainder of this season immediately. All he has to do is fire Dunleavy and we'll all buy season tickets the next day. I'd be willing to invest a couple grand to never see that guy's face on the....

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Where is the draft for new coaches? Couldn't we win that lottery, also?

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dunleavy could pull off some sort of trade to save his job, sort of like the zach deal last year

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How about a walk out at the start of the 4th quarter on Friday against the Nuggets. Pass out flyers on the street on Friday stating the purpose of our walk out. At the start of the 4th quarter all fans gets up and leave the court, showing our frustration to Sterling on a nationally televised game. This would speak volumes to our anger with the franchise.

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^no. that's horrible. i understand the frustration with the franchise...but how does this make clipper fans look to everyone else? to other clipper fans? to the players??? imagine being chris kaman, baron, deandre, griffin, whoever...and after playing 3 solid, hard working quarters, the fans just leave on you?

its not directed at the players, but it affects them just as much.

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I can't find it now but somebody posted on a different thread the other day that, at some point, the continuing losses and discontent from the fans will affect Sterling's wallet as much or more so than the cost of replacing Dunleavy. It would be great if we could get a petition together of people who commit to purchase season tickets for the remainder of this season immediately. All he has to do is fire Dunleavy and we'll all buy season tickets the next day. I'd be willing to invest a couple grand to never see that guy's face on the....

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Well as the LA Times pointe out today,,there are 10 million reason Dumb ain't moving. 5 mil a year is too much for a GM, his ego won't allow him to step down, and he and Donald are best friends. I wonder sometimes about DTS,,everyday in the fracking paper are ads and ads with Sterling and his benefit crap (today the sports page is covered with his pictures and his big bash birthday party he gave Larry Flint). Geez Donald,,,why don't you throw we Clipper fans a party and get us some help in the name of perhaps a coach.

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What do we have to lose? The franchise is pretty much treading water as we speak.

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treading water...pulling that crap will just drown it

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Byron Scott was the first coach to be fired this season. According to ESPN Marc Stein, Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy could be the next one to lose his job. Stein writes: "One source insists owner Donald Sterling has already flirted seriously with the idea of dismissing Mike Dunleavy immediately, even though prized rookie Blake Griffin's debut has been put on hold ... One trusted source I consulted this week suggests Dunleavy could leave the bench and still retain his front-office gig ... Yet another trusted source, however, says Dunleavy wouldn't accept serving as GM only, which further muddies the picture." Looks like....

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This isn't an update...merging with original thread.

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Byron Scott was the first coach to be fired this season. According to ESPN Marc Stein, Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy could be the next one to lose his job. Stein writes: "One source insists owner Donald Sterling has already flirted seriously with the idea of dismissing Mike Dunleavy immediately, even though prized rookie Blake Griffin's debut has been put on hold ... One trusted source I consulted this week suggests Dunleavy could leave the bench and still retain his front-office gig ... Yet another trusted source, however, says Dunleavy wouldn't accept serving as GM only, which further muddies the picture." Looks like....

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Byron Scott was the first coach to be fired this season. According to ESPN Marc Stein, Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy could be the next one to lose his job. Stein writes: "One source insists owner Donald Sterling has already flirted seriously with the idea of dismissing Mike Dunleavy immediately, even though prized rookie Blake Griffin's debut has been put on hold ... One trusted source I consulted this week suggests Dunleavy could leave the bench and still retain his front-office gig ... Yet another trusted source, however, says Dunleavy wouldn't accept serving as GM only, which further muddies the picture." Looks like....

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you are on here every minute of every day..LITERALLY(not joking)....its actually pretty remarkable

WHOOOOO CARES.....it was my update with my comments

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i think sterling has had enough too. the only way dumb saves his ASS is if he trades for a top 5 player(CP3...ehem). i would 100p ercent give gordo and griffs with camby and butler for paul and west.. then trade baron and Al and minnys first round pick to the warriors for azubuike and anthony randolph. we start paul, buike, randolph, west, and kaman. off the bench comes maggs, deandre, bassy, rhimo, sticky, and novak. i think we can win a championship with this. paul, randolph, and deandre are still all really long and once the older people leave or retire we can still OWN with paul, jordan, and randolph.

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seriously , this isn't fair. dunleavy has used every excuse in the book to keep his job. eddie jordan got fired last year after leading his team to multiple playoff appearances, but he got canned. sure, the gm could've blamed it on the injuries, but in this business, losing is almost never acceptable. same with byron scott, he had 2 of his starters taken away from him and has close to no one on the bench for the second unit, but he gets fired after leading his team to multiple playoff appearances and a trip to the west finals. i could go on and on about coaches who were fired that were in the same position as dunleavy. somehow this guy gets the free pass? sheessh

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and also he wins these games out of nowhere ...we go like 1 out of 7 or last year in the month of november we win 3 games 10 games a apart each..

thats how he really gets by....cause no one really care for the clips anyways(media) but if we loose 10-15 games i a row....HE MUST GET FIRED...

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clippclapp wrote:
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This isn't an update...merging with original thread.

you are on here every minute of every day..LITERALLY(not joking)....its actually pretty remarkable

WHOOOOO CARES.....it was my update with my comments

but you do Wink

No need to get hostile, your comments are NOT an update. If people would just follow SIMPLE rules, maybe you would not see me pop up that often. wink

The reason for merging is to not clog up the forum with redundant threads. Don't worry, your analyzes will be read on this thread.

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If this ever even came close to happening, I'd find a new team to support. I support the Clippers team, not the franchise. If you straight up swapped all our players for the Lakers or anyone elses plyers, you're looking at a new Laker fan. I support our young core and our strong bench. I support our leader Baron, I support OUR LA Clippers. Not some mix from New Orleans and Golden State, chamionship players or not.

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dunc182 wrote:
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i think sterling has had enough too. the only way dumb saves his ASS is if he trades for a top 5 player(CP3...ehem). i would 100p ercent give gordo and griffs with camby and butler for paul and west.. then trade baron and Al and minnys first round pick to the warriors for azubuike and anthony randolph. we start paul, buike, randolph, west, and kaman. off the bench comes maggs, deandre, bassy, rhimo, sticky, and novak. i think we can win a championship with this. paul, randolph, and deandre are still all really long and once the older people leave or retire we can still OWN with paul, jordan, and randolph.

If this ever even came close to happening, I'd find a new team to support. I support the Clippers team, not the franchise. If you straight up swapped all our players for the Lakers or anyone elses plyers, you're looking at a new Laker fan. I support our young core and our strong bench. I support our leader Baron, I support OUR LA Clippers. Not some mix from New Orleans and Golden State, chamionship players or not.

well 2 years ago, we had like 2 of the players on our roster that we have now so i don't see ur problem.

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dunc182 wrote:
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i think sterling has had enough too. the only way dumb saves his ASS is if he trades for a top 5 player(CP3...ehem). i would 100p ercent give gordo and griffs with camby and butler for paul and west.. then trade baron and Al and minnys first round pick to the warriors for azubuike and anthony randolph. we start paul, buike, randolph, west, and kaman. off the bench comes maggs, deandre, bassy, rhimo, sticky, and novak. i think we can win a championship with this. paul, randolph, and deandre are still all really long and once the older people leave or retire we can still OWN with paul, jordan, and randolph.

If this ever even came close to happening, I'd find a new team to support. I support the Clippers team, not the franchise. If you straight up swapped all our players for the Lakers or anyone elses plyers, you're looking at a new Laker fan. I support our young core and our strong bench. I support our leader Baron, I support OUR LA Clippers. Not some mix from New Orleans and Golden State, chamionship players or not.

i dont understand your statement. so why do you support baron? he came from the GS warriors, not originally a clipper. so you dont support marcus camby either, nor rasual butler? basically looking at your statement, you support only people we drafted, cause we are the first team they played in.

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There is a great line in "North Dallas 40." John Matusak is complaining about the front office of their team... He says, "We're not the team. They're the team (meaning the front office). We're just the equipment."

It's pretty much the same in basketball. You support the team that's in your town. The players come and go, but the owner, arena, logo, last a lot longer and that's what you root for... Basically, we're the supporters of the institution of the Los Angeles Clippers for as long as they remain the L.A. Clippers... Unless we decide to give up.

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I'm basically saying that if the whole team changed I'd find it hard to have as much passion for them as I did

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clippclapp wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
This isn't an update...merging with original thread.

you are on here every minute of every day..LITERALLY(not joking)....its actually pretty remarkable

WHOOOOO CARES.....it was my update with my comments

but you do Wink

I care- if everyone created a new thread for an update on their own opinion, then the whole site would be a mess.

Good job as always CJ!

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david wrote:
clippclapp wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
This isn't an update...merging with original thread.

you are on here every minute of every day..LITERALLY(not joking)....its actually pretty remarkable

WHOOOOO CARES.....it was my update with my comments

but you do Wink

I care- if everyone created a new thread for an update on their own opinion, then the whole site would be a mess.

Good job as always CJ!

noo....no it wouldn't

lol u guys need to stop pretending theres 1000000000 on this site......ITS A CLIPPER FORUM...not life

CJ there is a sun!!!

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clippclapp, the fact that you only have two posts yet have two negative reps should tell you that you don't belong online. That means here too. I've yet to see anything interesting written by you and can barely understand anything you do write, your command of the english language is so non existent. clipper*joe and david can do what they like, they mod and own the site. there is a reason you're not supposed to create a new thread when there already is one. if everyone made their own thread every time they had an opinion there would be hundreds of fire dunleavy threads.

I will bet that we will see Dunleavy remain as head coach at least until the end of this season. Unless we tank to something similar to last year, he'll be around. We might as wll put up with it and watch his brilliant inbound plays.

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clippclapp wrote:
david wrote:
clippclapp wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
This isn't an update...merging with original thread.

you are on here every minute of every day..LITERALLY(not joking)....its actually pretty remarkable

WHOOOOO CARES.....it was my update with my comments

but you do Wink

I care- if everyone created a new thread for an update on their own opinion, then the whole site would be a mess.

Good job as always CJ!

noo....no it wouldn't

lol u guys need to stop pretending theres 1000000000 on this site......ITS A CLIPPER FORUM...not life

CJ there is a sun!!!

Well then, this begs the question:

If you think I am on here 24/7 and have stated this as fact, how do you know this?

Could it be that you are on here 24/7 yourself? wink

Maybe it is you that needs to get a little sunlight for you are the one getting you panties all in a bunch.

Look, I don't care to have a pissing match with you so please just back up and take a look at yourself and realize that YOU are making a mountain out of a molehill just cause I merged a thread that had very little relevance.

If you took offense to something this petty, maybe it is you that needs to back away from your monitor and do something recreational. Think about it.

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Thanks, Dunc.

By the way, david owns this site...I just help him out. david spends the dough for this site and the least I can do is help him out.

People don't realize that the Clippers don't have much popular demand and only the true "diehards" understand how this message board is vital for us to meet. If it wasn't for this site ( true message board, not a blog where I have to read others opinions with little or no interaction), I would probably have no other people to share my passion with.

Bottom line, if you are a member here, you are a diehard.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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clippclapp, the fact that you only have two posts yet have two negative reps should tell you that you don't belong online. That means here too. I've yet to see anything interesting written by you and can barely understand anything you do write, your command of the english language is so non existent. clipper*joe and david can do what they like, they mod and own the site. there is a reason you're not supposed to create a new thread when there already is one. if everyone made their own thread every time they had an opinion there would be hundreds of fire dunleavy threads.

I will bet that we will see Dunleavy remain as head coach at least until the end of this season. Unless we tank to something similar to last year, he'll be around. We might as wll put up with it and watch his brilliant inbound plays.

Very true Joe. Hey out of curiosity did you notice alot more activity on this site the year that the Clippers made the playoffs with Cassell, or are we Clippers fans as rare as a yetti sighting

Thanks, Dunc.

By the way, david owns this site...I just help him out. david spends the dough for this site and the least I can do is help him out.

People don't realize that the Clippers don't have much popular demand and only the true "diehards" understand how this message board is vital for us to meet. If it wasn't for this site ( true message board, not a blog where I have to read others opinions with little or no interaction), I would probably have no other people to share my passion with.

Bottom line, if you are a member here, you are a diehard.

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Sorry Joe my question got typed in the middle of your quote. Anyway, I was asking if you noticed more activity on this site the year that we made the playoffs with Cassell, or has our fan base always been this small

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Yeah, I was wondering too. Cause I know a lot more people including myself joined this forum after EB left so they could trash him and express themselves, but what was it like the year we made the playoffs?

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I am not sure. I signed up in 2007. That great year was in 2005-2006. david, Miguel, & several others were here before i was.

I know that we have a good following right now. Remember, aside from our members we have now, you usually have a large portion that lurks and reads regularly but just haven't signed up to post. In fact, most traffic on websites are done by "lurkers".

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Sorry Joe my question got typed in the middle of your quote. Anyway, I was asking if you noticed more activity on this site the year that we made the playoffs with Cassell, or has our fan base always been this small

I am not sure. I signed up in 2007. That great year was in 2005-2006. david, Miguel, & several others were here before i was.

I know that we have a good following right now. Remember, aside from our members we have now, you usually have a large portion that lurks and reads regularly but just haven't signed up to post. In fact, most traffic on websites are done by "lurkers".

By the way, at this very moment, we have 23 members logged on and a total of 83 people lurking.

Not bad for a Clippers message board. Very Happy

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I got an idea for those that go to games and really wanna to get their point across to Clipper management. Create a "FIRE DUNLEAVY" t-shirt and wear them to every game. Sell em on this site and spread your word of encouragement to the people at Staples. Put a website together and put it on the shirt so people can buy them if they want to. If you get enough people to jump on the bandwagon maybe you could get someone to listen to you.

Just a suggestion. Not my intention

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on a CTB game-day, we can create a HUUUUUGEEEEEEE poster saying fire dunleavy on it. that might get sterling's attention.

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I'm now boycotting the Clippers until either Dun is fired or EJ and BG have returned. Between now and then there is only misery. I feel sad to say this but I stayed up to watch the game last night and what a waste of time it was.

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I'd sign up for that only if on the back is says, "Trade Baron." Dunleavy isn't the only thing standing in our way.

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I got an idea for those that go to games and really wanna to get their point across to Clipper management. Create a "FIRE DUNLEAVY" t-shirt and wear them to every game. Sell em on this site and spread your word of encouragement to the people at Staples. Put a website together and put it on the shirt so people can buy them if they want to. If you get enough people to jump on the bandwagon maybe you could get someone to listen to you.

I'd sign up for that only if on the back is says, "Trade Baron." Dunleavy isn't the only thing standing in our way.

definitely need t add that on the back. We need to get rid of Dunleavy and Baron's toxic contract.

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I've been a Clipper fan for over 20 years. We've had some awful teams, but I've never really hated being a Clipper fan until Baron got here. And I won't feel good about our future until he's gone... The sooner the better.

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baron isn't the problem. he is playing hard and trying to motivate on the court. (in my eyes)

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I'm definitely not saying that Barons career with the Clippers has been a success, but he has been playing really well the past three games. If he continues to play this well then I think we can have the production we need to win games. Also, given his massive contract it will be impossible to move him, so it seems like the most sure thing we can do is improve the PG position through the draft. However, if his play drops down again then yes something should be done.

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If he were playing well, it wouldn't be impossible to move him. He shot 7 for 21 last night, and only shot that well by hitting a couple three pointers down the stretch when the game was lost. He missed his first 6, but kept shooting them even after hurting his hand. His defense is terrible, save for the handful of flashy plays he makes by gambling off his man and getting steals. He can't keep anyone in front of him anymore. His shot selection is abysmal. The only reason people think he's working hard is because they compare it to last year when he flat out quit.

I do agree we'll probably have to improve the PG position through the draft, because I can't see anyone in the league taking this guy... But occasionally, teams dumber than us do pop up (Memphis)... As bad as Dunleavy is for this team, Baron is even worse. He's a frontrunner who only wants to do the things that makes him happy, scoring and flashy assists, and none of the hard work it takes to win, defense, moving the ball, working on your shot in the off-season.

When I see a player who doesn't take advantage of his athletic talent, plays foolishly, it's hard for me to watch. Baron is in the catagory with Benoit Benjamin and Michael Olowakandi as my most hated Clippers ever. Guys who had the athleticism to be great, but were way too immature.

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/1253 ... on-for-now

Well, it looks like Dunleavy may be the next head coach fired after Scott, according to league sources. But then again, I won't believe it until I see it. Donald Sterling is the owner of the Clippers. roll

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Also, given his massive contract it will be impossible to move him,

If he were playing well, it wouldn't be impossible to move him. He shot 7 for 21 last night, and only shot that well by hitting a couple three pointers down the stretch when the game was lost. He missed his first 6, but kept shooting them even after hurting his hand. His defense is terrible, save for the handful of flashy plays he makes by gambling off his man and getting steals. He can't keep anyone in front of him anymore. His shot selection is abysmal. The only reason people think he's working hard is because they compare it to last year when he flat out quit.

I do agree we'll probably have to improve the PG position through the draft, because I can't see anyone in the league taking this guy... But occasionally, teams dumber than us do pop up (Memphis)... As bad as Dunleavy is for this team, Baron is even worse. He's a frontrunner who only wants to do the things that makes him happy, scoring and flashy assists, and none of the hard work it takes to win, defense, moving the ball, working on your shot in the off-season.

When I see a player who doesn't take advantage of his athletic talent, plays foolishly, it's hard for me to watch. Baron is in the catagory with Benoit Benjamin and Michael Olowakandi as my most hated Clippers ever. Guys who had the athleticism to be great, but were way too immature.

Great post. I have to agree that you're right. Last season is a big measuring stick for Barons play, so compared to 08-09 yes it seems like Baron is playing great. I understand your complaints. Baron doesn't play defense and he does miss a lot of shots. I think I would have to see a steady streak of good games in order to say for sure that he is our guy. What I can say about Baron is that his offensive game has gotten better the last few games. Percentage wise it doesn't look like it, but 23 points is a very solid offensive outcome and his 9 assists were good. Overall, he does need to make a higher percentage of the shots he takes, but I think that last nights production was pretty solid.

You're right in another point too. There is always a sucker out there, but I just wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket in hopes that someone will take him from our roster.

Still, despite my slightly improving view of Baron because of his recent improved play I would not be opposed to a trade if the right person became available. Personally I would rather that we get a younger PG than one already in his 30's, but I guess we have to take the best available player. Smile

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Yes. Let them grow together since our best years are 2 and 3 years out when Baron will be even worse than he is now.

I think the reason for Baron's improved scoring numbers is simply that he's taking more shots. He also dominates the ball offensively, refusing to move it if it's not going to get him an assist, so he's going to make sure he gets his assist numbers. The one game I think Baron actually did play well was against OKC... In that game, Dunleavy limited him to 15 first half minutes, so he had something left for the fourth quarter. There is no way Baron is in good enough shape to go 40+ as Dunleavy routinely has him doing.

The other thing to me that was telling about Baron was that he had just signed a $65,000,000 contract, talked about how excited he was, and then showed up to camp fat and out of shape. And the only reason he got to just 20lbs overweight was a Jenny Craig crash diet at the end of summer... That told me everything I needed to know about Baron's commitment to basketball and the Clippers. Despite what he says about leadership and teamwork, it's clear that Baron only cares about Baron.

I don't care if he puts up 20 the next five games in a row. I can't wait until he's gone with the same passion I couldn't wait for Randolph to be gone last year. You gotta build with character first. Portland found that out... Obviously, you need talent too, but all the talent in the world with a loser's mentality ain't gonna win you games.

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Personally I would rather that we get a younger PG than one already in his 30's, but I guess we have to take the best available player

Yes. Let them grow together since our best years are 2 and 3 years out when Baron will be even worse than he is now.

I think the reason for Baron's improved scoring numbers is simply that he's taking more shots. He also dominates the ball offensively, refusing to move it if it's not going to get him an assist, so he's going to make sure he gets his assist numbers. The one game I think Baron actually did play well was against OKC... In that game, Dunleavy limited him to 15 first half minutes, so he had something left for the fourth quarter. There is no way Baron is in good enough shape to go 40+ as Dunleavy routinely has him doing.

The other thing to me that was telling about Baron was that he had just signed a $65,000,000 contract, talked about how excited he was, and then showed up to camp fat and out of shape. And the only reason he got to just 20lbs overweight was a Jenny Craig crash diet at the end of summer... That told me everything I needed to know about Baron's commitment to basketball and the Clippers. Despite what he says about leadership and teamwork, it's clear that Baron only cares about Baron.

I don't care if he puts up 20 the next five games in a row. I can't wait until he's gone with the same passion I couldn't wait for Randolph to be gone last year. You gotta build with character first. Portland found that out... Obviously, you need talent too, but all the talent in the world with a loser's mentality ain't gonna win you games.

yes, baron is a chucker. yes, he has struggled since he signed that contract and is visibly frustrated, and is frustrating fans as well. but have you seen golden state before and after baron? went from the team that ran the mavs out of the building and the playoffs to a bottom feeder.

baron has had trouble adjusting, and has really not played well. but to call him a loser and blame basically everything wrong with us right now on him is too much.

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