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I think the Clippers will do well this year, even without our best player. It really depends on how well Maggette plays and Kaman and whether the coach will give Maggette the green light to shoot. Kaman is going to get a lot of touches now and he needs to be aggressive and throw down dunks instead of soft layups. Maggette can up his scoring average to 28 points a game if he gets the green light. He is an efficient scorer who needs to be let loose. If one of these players gets injured, its over.

Mobley was the best player on the team last year besides Brand. I argue he played better. He really held the team together and was very consistent. He is a perfect shooting guard for any team and he was hitting his threes.

Cassel is a non factor. He is going to get injured, and that just the way it is. I hope he doesn't think he should be the man. Maggette should now. Brevin Knight is a good substitute; a veteran who has played in many systems and can play defence.

Tim Thomas will be a nice complement to Kaman, spreading the floor. He isn't very aggressive, so maybe Jason Powel can come in, and Aaron Willimams can plug that hole.

Ruben Patterson is an aggressive defender and I'm thinking he will probably back up the 2,3, and maybe the 4. He's insurance in case Mobley, or Maggette go down.

Ross is a soldid player who will back Mobely up and Maggette.

Guimero Diaz is one hell of an athlete, with an awsome vertical as well as Al Thorton. If we get lucky, and on of these players becomes good, then will be set.

Dunlevy has not given up on Korlev. He may be a gem in disguise. I saw this guy in shoot around and he can nail the three. It probably takes time to learn to Defend in the league and thats why he has no playing time.

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I sure hope they will hang in there clipperblue. I have to disagree with you regarding Cassell- in fact I think he is the key in holding the team together in terms of leadership, scoring, and running the offense. If he goes down too then yeah we're in some deep smelly stuff. I agree with everything else you said, though I'm not sure about Korolev- I guess it's more because we all haven't seen him play that much so we don't really know what he can do!

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great post! I agree with everything you said except 2 things. Keep in mind I am not knocking you only giving a counter point. Cassell is a great leader on the floor and off therefor he is a factor. I agree he might get hurt but his experience we can't go without. I firmly believe that if it wasn't for Cassell in the 2005-2006 season we would not have gone as far without him. I felt the Clippers had the players but not the leader before his arrival. I think he can do it one more time this upcoming season...only my opinion and it's subject to argument.

As far as Korolev, well, I don't see him playing with us this year. We have 15 players with contracts. I would have preferred him signed up until we got Petterson. I like the kid but what can you do. I would have liked Guillermo's contract offered to Korolev instead. I take it back, I would have liked the contract to go to Jared Jordan but maybe we can offer one to Korlolev after this season if he is not picked up.

I really like what you had to say. You make some good solid points.

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I agree with your overall assessment that this team will be a big surprise if healthy next year. I disagree with Mobley being a consistent shooting guard. He definitely helps this team, but not always from his shooting. I think Cassell getting injured is a 50/50 chance. The guy plays with so much confidence and heart that he'll definitely take this team on his shoulders while Brand recovers. Let's just hope his old legs can hold it up. It's gonna take a real team effort this year, but I expect that out of the Clippers. The biggest reason, I believe, why they went 40-42 last year is because the hunger, the underdog spirit wasnt there. This year their backs are against the wall again, with everybody in the media believing they are dead in the water. Time for a surprise. Give em hell Clips!!! These are the two things I'm most interested in seeing this year: 1) Al Thornton 2) Quinton Ross improving his offense.

By the way...I love the optimism. I'd rather have my hopes up than my hopes down. Us as fans control nothing about the actual game and players, so if the Clippers fail this year, we really lost nothing by cheering for our team.

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Okay, I am an optomistic fan.

I want the Clippers to win - and to surprise all the nay sayers. In this, I am with you. I AM sobered (I "snap out of denial"), however, when I read a non-fan's assessment. It seems more "objective," as this guy's a reporter rather than a partisan. I will hope for, and cheer for, the best out of this team. But, let us be realistic, as well as hopeful, yes?

Sam IS 38. Brand and SL are out. Maybe, just maybe, this will help the others "pull together." Maybe, our new guys will fit in well and help us to build. Maybe they're more hungry. Maybe they'll play .500 ball until Brand returns and, Sl will be all better then...

From Marty Burns' "Pacific Divison Report Card" posted yesterday; this was his overeview of the Clips for the coming year in his assessment of the Pacific Division:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/w ... ard/1.html

L.A. CLIPPERS

WHAT WENT RIGHT:

• Knight to the rescue.

With 38-year-old Sam Cassell starting to slow down and Shaun Livingston still recovering from a devastating knee injury, the Clippers needed a steady point guard. They got one in Brevin Knight, a 10-year veteran who averaged 9.1 points and 6.6 assists a year ago for the Bobcats. He should be a reliable backup for Cassell, and he comes at a reasonable price of $4 million deal over two years.

• They got the Kobe Stopper.

Needing to shore up his bench and perimeter defense, GM Elgin Baylor took a flier on free-agent Ruben Patterson. The defensive-minded small forward, who once proclaimed himself "the Kobe Stopper," has character issues that make him something of a long-range gamble. But he's coming off his best season statistically, racking up career marks of 14.7 points (on 55 percent shooting) and 5.4 rebounds while playing in 81 games for Milwaukee.

• They added some prospects.

The Clippers believe they added to their future pipeline by drafting Florida State power forward Al Thornton with their first-round pick (No. 14 overall), Marist guard Jared Jordan with their second-round pick (No. 45) and signing free-agent Josh Powell. Thornton, in particular, could play a big role right away as one of the replacements for the injured Elton Brand.

WHAT WENT WRONG:

• Brand got hurt.

In the NBA's biggest injury of the offseason, Brand tore his Achilles tendon while working out and had to undergo surgery to repair it. The veteran power forward is expected to be out until midseason at the earliest, leaving the Clippers without their leading scorer, rebounder and shot-blocker. Brand's injury is reminiscent of the blow Memphis experienced a year ago when it lost star power forward Pau Gasol to a broken foot for two months to start the season. The Grizzlies fell behind and never recovered en route to the NBA's worst record.

GRADE: C-

Brand's injury alone makes for a dismal offseason, and they didn't do much else to improve the roster. In the tough West, it adds up to another lottery finish.

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It looks to me that there were more positives then nagatives. Granted , EB's injury was devastating to the team but remember that Gasol was the only star on that team other then Mike Miller. That won't happen to us.

Although, one might see it as grim, we have plenty of other players that can fill the void. EB averaged 20 & 9 last season with 53% FG%. That was great and all but I think our other guys can make up for that till he gets back. Plus, other teams won't be able to dbl team our low post as often as they did to Brand last season. Remember thats what every team did last season to us which I have to say helped stop our offense.

I don't think that can happen this year. When other teams grew "hip" to what we were doing, all they did was dbl team Brand. Since they know Brand won't start the season, how are they going to attack our offense???? If Dunleavy re-structures the offense and is successful at it, most teams early in the season can have problems which might end up in unexpected wins for us. You never know....

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Did someone say "hip"?

Even the pathological optomist has to say that predicting what will happen will require a crystal ball. We can check stats but there are too many intangables. The problem last yr was that we didn't play worth a ****. We had the talent. This year we have the POTENTIAL if the guys are hungry and we get LUCKY. The rest of the West doesn't need it. They have most of their pieces. Even with EB it would be a crap shoot. Maybe we'll be great when EB returns. It's a real possibility

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Hey "hip" , are you not predicting the opposite??? Wouldn't you need a crystal ball to do the same? Are there not too many intangibles for you to make the statement that all the other teams will not need luck? Granted, there are 4 teams that in my opinion will certainly make the play-offs with 2 others that have good odds but the last 2 spots are a toss up.

Why can't we be one on them? Would I be a "pathological optomist" to make such a bold statement? Not really since there are too many things that can happen in the season that might swing our way that has nothing to do with luck...like playing great ball.

What do you mean by "they have most of their pieces"? what facts are you basing this on? Just as you are certain that all the other teams "don't need luck", I am saying the Clippers don't need it either. We both don't have a crystal ball so why do you knock the optimist ??? Why do you knock someone for predicting when you are predicting yourself ???

C'mon "hip", this is a weak argument. We have our pieces or "most" like the other teams you mentioned. Why are you so easily ready to say the other teams won't need luck but we do? That in and of itself is a bold statement to make. You need to bring the facts other then saying we played like S%*t or why you think the other teams have their pieces and we don't. The front office got those "pieces" , we have a full roster now. I thought we did fairly well in filling the holes. One can argue the facts but you can't dismiss them before the season starts. We just don't know...either of us. I and the rest of the optimists are speaking from a fan's point of view. You say even with Brand back it would still be a crap shoot... sounds like a fact or prediction to me? Did you see that in a crystal ball ...just kidding "hip"!

I just wanted to get my point across.

Remember for every pathological optomist there is a pathological pessimist.

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Joe dude do we have a role reversal? Weren't you mac and cheese and I was lobster? Smile We basically are in agreement but .. As far as pieces, you know what Dallas,Phx, Spurs, Rockets, GS, Utah are gonna bring. They have their own style and personality. You know what Duncan&Parker will do. You know what TMac and Yao will do etc. As I said before, we have the potential to be real good. Magette stays healthy and can step up, Cayman shows up, Sam stays healthy for part of the season, Thornton helps, Brand is 100%, there isn't a big fight over minutes, the guys styles mesh, we're PO'd. If all these happen Watch Out. Better than last yr? Yeah. The team has yet to develop a personality because there are so many new faces and it's Corey's team. We don't know quite what they'll bring. Intangables. Maybe I should say "good fortune" not luck. This team can be good without EB given above. Can we make the PO's Yeah if we're PO'd. The above is what I mean by a crap shoot

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Great point on what I had posted back on Aug 27, 2007. Your right but that was before we got Patterson. That brought a little more hope and experience to the team. The mac and cheese statement meant "lowered expectations" not because I felt they couldn't compete but because it was the easiest way for fans not to be let down in case the clips failed. I guess I came off a little strong as the result of using the phrase ( pathological optimist), it got me a little bothered.

I guess I felt you dissed everyone who showed optimism. You implied that we were a step below the Pathological optimist.... water under the bridge.

Anyway, I do agree with Dallas, phx, Spurs, and Houston are a shoe in but anything can happen. Utah to me is a little suspect for now. They lost Fisher and I don't see a good back up for Deron Williams. They fall apart badly during the play-offs and you never know how AK47 will play. GS lost Richardson. That is almost as equal to losing Brand. The numbers are a little lower then EB's but he was an OG for that team. Nellie has not signed on yet and there is some problems between both parties. We all know that Davis will end up getting hurt at some point in the season...he always does ( only speculation). Houston should make the play-offs but what if McGrady's back goes out...again. Those are 5 teams we mentioned and agree that should make the play-offs, who will be the others? Maybe the Clippers? I will admit that I kinda fell victim to my own words but like I said when we signed Patterson I got this sense of hope again. More then anything else, his signing gave me a shot of adrenaline and hope I once had before EB got hurt. In any case, I just want to add that I do respect what you have to say....I'm out.

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Joe

As far as dissing the Clipps, I said in a previous post the if we overcome Clipper luck and every one plays like a team and to their potential we will be monsters. (optomist) Unfortunately this was before EB's injury. If everyone stays healthy it's still a decent team with out EB. I was saying a crap shoot because of following reasons.

#50, Knight and Sam are injury prone. No EB no Corey. CK is go to. He's triple teamed, The #2 go to is Thomas.??? We trade Corey's 20 for Patterson's 15 and they don't have to guard anyone but CK. EB is only 80-90% recovered, 25/10 goes 18/8.Sam goes down then Knight and a rookie. Knight goes down-where's Jason Hart. A busted up Sam and a rookie. I reviewed last yr's stats. The didn't really play like s**t but they played like F**ts a lot.

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Joe As far as dissing the Clipps, I said in a previous post the if we overcome Clipper luck and every one plays like a team and to their potential we will be monsters. (optomist) Unfortunately this was before EB's injury. If everyone stays healthy it's still a decent team with out EB. I was saying a crap shoot because of following reasons. #50, Knight and Sam are injury prone. No EB no Corey. CK is go to. He's triple teamed, The #2 go to is Thomas.??? We trade Corey's 20 for Patterson's 15 and they don't have to guard anyone....

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To put a final nail in this coffin. YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT THEY'RE JUST SCENARIOS. MOST WON"T HAPPEN TO THE POINT OF DISASTER.!! It's just an intellectual exercise.

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Agreed...lets move on!

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