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I think having a successful franchise not only takes money and very good management but it takes a lot of luck as well. Looking at our Los Angeles Clippers we know by recent developments Donald Sterling has opened his wallet but we are losing at arguably a faster pace and we aren't even fun to watch anymore. Some Blame Dunleavy, some blame the players but when it all comes down to it, this falls on Donald T. Sterling. He is the owner of this team and he chooses to make no changes despite the direction the team is headed and the organization as a whole.

Before I go into the Owner I want to address Mike Dunleavy and Baron Davis. Reguardless of his coaching abilities, reguardless of his General Managing abilities one in seven seasons of winning is simply not acceptable if this team is supposed to be that of a winning culture. He may be a decent coach but in the NBA I would think you need a very strong coach and very good management in order to maintain having the same coach a number of years. When a team is not performing the coach is the first one to go, yet the Clippers owner will have none of this. Why? Simply because he is and will most likely be until his death bed the worst coach in all of Sports. This is why we need a good GM to bring in talent and a good coach to mesh that talent together on the floor. The problem with this team is that we don't have the type of players that fit into the system Mike Dunleavy employs and the players have lost faith, simple as that. Yes they are paid professionals but many of them love the game (which is what it takes to get into NBA in the first place), and I love basketball and watching this team is just an insult to the game of basketball.

Mr Baron. Davis what can I say you came the Clippers as our apparent savior(which in fact was never really the reason you were brought here, expect fans expected you to be one after Brand bolted). You have underachieved as a Clipper but is this news to anyone? He is not our leader, im sad to say and he is simply not strong enough mentally and his character is not solid enough to ever bring us anywhere relevant. The facts are the facts last season we were 19-63 and they promised us to bring it this season. I don't know about you but I know they can be better and they simply are not.

Donald Sterling is not a good owner as stated above, but why has he not made a change? The answer to this question reinforces the fact that he is not only a bad owner he is a terrible one. I do not need to go into detail as you have seen the losses over the years, many of you very loyal fans who in my opinion deserve a medal. He has managed to rot the culture of this franchise like stale meat. He has turned the franchise from respectable-solid into a laughing stock. If the fans want to blame someone Blame him

I watch the games but so do the bulk of you fans, are we headed in the right direction? My vote is no, and it pains me to say it it really does. Somehow, some way both Dunleavy and Baron Davis have found a way to make the game of Basketball a chore to watch. Some how this group that Dunleavy has put together and coached has not just dissapointed me but drained me each and every night I watched as a loyal fan.

That leaves me to my final point. Blake Griffin can re-energize the franchise and make up for our terrible owner and less then stellar leader on the floor and on the bench. If you fans don't believe one man can't change the face of the franchise forever, think again. All it takes is one special individual with solid character and an intense passion for the game. Blake Griffin can walk the path of many greats before him, Tim Duncan, Wilt Chamberlin, Jerry West, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Bill Russel. He can be that special light in the dark that we might just need to get through the night.

Keep faith Clipper Nation

We are down, but we still have our glimmer of hope.

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As I've said about similar posts it's soooo good I could have written it. -------But---

Baron is trying now. I think the problem is MDSr. The Coach needs to be more of a leader than any Mr Franchise and he's obviously not. Popavich is, Sloan is etc etc. You know what their teams are like. You know what D'Antoni brings. Does Flopamything have a Personality? Does he bring anything? Unfortunately YES a F**kup. Coaches set the tone and Dunlevy is tone deaf. He's picked good talent but doesn't know what to do with it. We aren't the Spurs. EJ, Al. BD and BG aren't grind it out half court guys It's like having a Ferrari and using it as a dump truck

As far as Donald Duck (as in ducking his responsibility) any idiot should see what happening but that just proves he's not just any idiot, he's perfected the art. If he wants a franchise F/A he ought to stop looking at his appendix wash the brown from his face and look around. NOBODY GOOD IS GONNA PLAY FOR DUNLEAVY no matter what we offer. Imagine LBJ passing to Kaman in the post running out to do a commercial and coming back and not have missed a thing. LBJ would make him huge $$$$ and a championship quality team. He was the most profitable before he opened his wallet. He can be again and win

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ps Will Blake energize this team? Not if Dunleavy can help it. MD has no clue what to do with him unless he passes to Kaman or shoots Hail Mary three's

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agreed & very well put.

either all of our players absolutely suck or the coach is not calling the right 4th Q plays cuz it seems that about 5 min in the 4thQ is where we end up down 15pts-20pts

and im not buying that its our players.

for the first time ever, pretty much our whole starting unit is healthy (besides blake, but we dont really know if he'd start) dumbleavy has his "healthy" team and we've been loosing. hes had his chance to ''win with a healthy team.'' time for a new coach.

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X-mas night we play against a clipper coach of the past, how is he now doing with his team, does he have the best players or just one or two good ones?

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Before we even played the Knicks people believed D'Antoni had failed with the Knicks when in truth he has made them better and for him to show he could out class Dunleavy with a comeback win show after the 1st year problems shows Dunleavy is on the crap pile of Sports coaching.

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Live by the lottery, die by the lottery. Now, back to the lottery.

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well said, except we generally die by the lottery...

although if blake griffin comes back and plays well we might be given life again

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Great post 321... I wish I'd written it. Smile

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thanks Mays! I think the problem with Dunleavy is he has assembled the wrong players for his system so its hard to make a bunch of players fit who really dont...I think everything just went to **** from there

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Howdoes that happen though when you are GM and coach. Watch tape seewho fits your style of play here is no excuse for not having the right player you either A)Didn't take the rebuilding process serious enough two years ago and rushed through it or B)your just a bad coach.

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i dont think baron has underachieved at all. he's come out in shape, is attacking the basket MUCH more than he did last year (settling for jumpers), etc. this is who he is. this is the baron we were all hoping for when he signed. the only thing that's missing now (and he's getting better at this by the day) is his on court leadership. he's calling a lot more regroups, calming the team down, instructing players, etc.

all things said, some of you are bashing this team as if we went to and succeeded in the playoffs last year. we've got a bunch of players who have never experienced winning, arent exactly superstars, have low basketball IQs*, love to ball-stop and look for their own shot, are young and havent learned to deal with adversity. we cant expect big things from this team just yet.


*big part of the problem.

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Icecoldclipper wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
thanks Mays! I think the problem with Dunleavy is he has assembled the wrong players for his system so its hard to make a bunch of players fit who really dont...I think everything just went to **** from there

Howdoes that happen though when you are GM and coach. Watch tape seewho fits your style of play here is no excuse for not having the right player you either A)Didn't take the rebuilding process serious enough two years ago and rushed through it or B)your just a bad coach.

if you had a history of employing jason hart, brevin knight, dan dickau, daniel ewing, rick brunson, marco jaric, and keyon dooling - you JUMP at the opportunity to sign baron davis. i dont think anyone criticized the move at the time. im sure any gm would take on that opportunity and would find a way to make it work.

camby, kaman, gordon = all work in his system, but we lack a traditional go-to power forward

thornton, rasual = hold and stop the flow of the ball too much. a coach's nightmare

not to mention that our bench looks thinner than we originally thought.

i mean, take a GENUINE and UNBIASED view at our roster:

baron davis

sebasitan telfair

mardy collins

rasual butler

ricky davis

eric gordon

deandre jordan

chris kaman

steve novak

brian skinner

craig smith

al thornton

does anything on that roster jump out at you? does that look like something that could compete in the West? its pretty bland.

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-Tell that to the Kings and OKC

-Our coach runs a demanding iso offense so calling a player ball stopped in this offense doesn't make sense

-Low B-Ball IQ yet this franchise has had a history of 4th quarter mental collapses in play-calling more consistently under the Dunleavy era.

  • You learn to battle through adversity through experience and are taught lessons from your experiences this team has learned nothing from the start of the season up to now. Dunleavy doesn't even try the idea of trial and error in every game thread I can call out his next move a quarter ahead it fails over and over that is insanity. To not improve from your errors is either ignorance or stupidity.

-Big things we just want a respectable team.

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ekker3 wrote:
Icecoldclipper wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
thanks Mays! I think the problem with Dunleavy is he has assembled the wrong players for his system so its hard to make a bunch of players fit who really dont...I think everything just went to **** from there

Howdoes that happen though when you are GM and coach. Watch tape seewho fits your style of play here is no excuse for not having the right player you either A)Didn't take the rebuilding process serious enough two years ago and rushed through it or B)your just a bad coach.

if you had a history of employing jason hart, brevin knight, dan dickau, daniel ewing, rick brunson, marco jaric, and keyon dooling - you JUMP at the opportunity to sign baron davis. i dont think anyone criticized the move at the time. im sure any gm would take on that opportunity and would find a way to make it work.

camby, kaman, gordon = all work in his system, but we lack a traditional go-to power forward

thornton, rasual = hold and stop the flow of the ball too much. a coach's nightmare

not to mention that our bench looks thinner than we originally thought.

i mean, take a GENUINE and UNBIASED view at our roster:

baron davis=play maker

sebasitan telfair=kick and drive PG

mardy collins=defender

rasual butler=streaky shooter

ricky davis=energy scorer

eric gordon=shooter

deandre jordan= energy big

chris kaman=post big/jumpshooter

steve novak=shooter

brian skinner= post defender

craig smith=banger

al thornton=slasher

does anything on that roster jump out at you? does that look like something that could compete in the West? its pretty bland.

I never thought we had strong depth this season and believe last season before trading Cat and Tim Thomas was the best depth with Paul Davis and Mike Taylor included. But even this this team has players that have roles it comes down to knowing how to manage them as a coach, and that has been where Dunleavy has failed in that regard. Dunleavy has failed with two different bench units first time may have been on the players but this time he will take the fall.

Again these players have roles you have to learn how to make them work. We had production early until Dunleavy kept game by game limiting the mintues and killing the rhythm. That or the constant new ways losing killed it.

Not buying your argument.

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i dont think baron has underachieved at all. he's come out in shape, is attacking the basket MUCH more than he did last year (settling for jumpers), etc. this is who he is. this is the baron we were all hoping for when he signed. the only thing that's missing now (and he's getting better at this by the day) is his on court leadership. he's calling a lot more regroups, calming the team down, instructing players, etc.

all things said, some of you are bashing this team as if we went to and succeeded in the playoffs last year. we've got a bunch of players who have never experienced winning, arent exactly superstars, have low basketball IQs*, love to ball-stop and look for their own shot, are young and havent learned to deal with adversity. we cant expect big things from this team just yet.


*big part of the problem.

-Tell that to the Kings and OKC

-Our coachruns a demanding iso offense so calling a player ball stopped in this offense doesn't make sense

-Low B-Ball IQ yet this franchise has had a history of 4ht quarter mental collapses in play-calling more consistnely under the Dunleavy era.

  • You learn to battle through adversity through experience and are taught lessons from your experiences this team has learned nothing from the start of the season up to now. Dunleavy does even try the idea oftrial and error in every game thread I can call out his next move a quarter ahead it failsover and over that is insanity. To not improve from your errors is either ignorance or stupidity.

-Big things we just want a respectable team.

the kings and thunder have players that have either developed chemistry or have high bball IQs.

-anyone remember 4th quarter meltdown problem during 2005-2006? those players dominated early and played till the very end. this current side has a weak mindset and settles for jumpers during leads instead of taking to the basket.

-ras butler HOOOOOOOLDS the ball whenever the ball is in rotation. players are clapping for it and everything.

-RE: not improving from your errors, and this goes for player development not team concepts (because that differs according to opponent) - lots of things have changed. example: - kaman now refrains from too much dribbling and takes his shots ( - thornton now refrains from taking too many outside shots and drives it in - baron (see thornton)

those 3 things alone = improvement from last year

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Icecoldclipper wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
Icecoldclipper wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
thanks Mays! I think the problem with Dunleavy is he has assembled the wrong players for his system so its hard to make a bunch of players fit who really dont...I think everything just went to **** from there

Howdoes that happen though when you are GM and coach. Watch tape seewho fits your style of play here is no excuse for not having the right player you either A)Didn't take the rebuilding process serious enough two years ago and rushed through it or B)your just a bad coach.

if you had a history of employing jason hart, brevin knight, dan dickau, daniel ewing, rick brunson, marco jaric, and keyon dooling - you JUMP at the opportunity to sign baron davis. i dont think anyone criticized the move at the time. im sure any gm would take on that opportunity and would find a way to make it work.

camby, kaman, gordon = all work in his system, but we lack a traditional go-to power forward

thornton, rasual = hold and stop the flow of the ball too much. a coach's nightmare

not to mention that our bench looks thinner than we originally thought.

i mean, take a GENUINE and UNBIASED view at our roster:

baron davis=play maker

sebasitan telfair=kick and drive PG

mardy collins=defender

rasual butler=streaky shooter

ricky davis=energy scorer

eric gordon=shooter

deandre jordan= energy big

chris kaman=post big/jumpshooter

steve novak=shooter

brian skinner= post defender

craig smith=banger

al thornton=slasher

does anything on that roster jump out at you? does that look like something that could compete in the West? its pretty bland.

I never thought we had strong depth this season and believe last season before trading Cat and Tim Thomas was the best depth with Paul Davis and Mike Taylor included. But even this this team has players that have roles it comes down to knowing how to manage them as a coach, and that has been where Dunleavy has failed in that regard. Dunleavy has failed with two different bench units first time may have been on the players but this time he will take the fall.

Again these players have roles you have to learn how to make them work. We had production early until Dunleavy kept game by game limiting the mintues and killing the rhythm. That or the constant new ways losing killed it.

Not buying your argument.

last year's bench:

alex acker

mardy collins

paul davis

a career low ricky davis

jason hart

fred jones

deandre jordan

novak

cheikh samb

brian skinner

mike taylor

5 of those guys are young and not even in the league anymore. how is that better depth? and yet you're calling dunleavy a failure for not being able to utilize this talent?

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ekker3 wrote:
Icecoldclipper wrote:
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i dont think baron has underachieved at all. he's come out in shape, is attacking the basket MUCH more than he did last year (settling for jumpers), etc. this is who he is. this is the baron we were all hoping for when he signed. the only thing that's missing now (and he's getting better at this by the day) is his on court leadership. he's calling a lot more regroups, calming the team down, instructing players, etc.

all things said, some of you are bashing this team as if we went to and succeeded in the playoffs last year. we've got a bunch of players who have never experienced winning, arent exactly superstars, have low basketball IQs*, love to ball-stop and look for their own shot, are young and havent learned to deal with adversity. we cant expect big things from this team just yet.


*big part of the problem.

-Tell that to the Kings and OKC

-Our coachruns a demanding iso offense so calling a player ball stopped in this offense doesn't make sense

-Low B-Ball IQ yet this franchise has had a history of 4ht quarter mental collapses in play-calling more consistnely under the Dunleavy era.

  • You learn to battle through adversity through experience and are taught lessons from your experiences this team has learned nothing from the start of the season up to now. Dunleavy does even try the idea oftrial and error in every game thread I can call out his next move a quarter ahead it failsover and over that is insanity. To not improve from your errors is either ignorance or stupidity.

-Big things we just want a respectable team.

the kings and thunder have players that have either developed chemistry or have high bball IQs.

-anyone remember 4th quarter meltdown problem during 2005-2006? those players dominated early and played till the very end. this current side has a weak mindset and settles for jumpers during leads instead of taking to the basket.

-ras butler HOOOOOOOLDS the ball whenever the ball is in rotation. players are clapping for it and everything.

-RE: not improving from your errors, and this goes for player development not team concepts (because that differs according to opponent) - lots of things have changed. example: - kaman now refrains from too much dribbling and takes his shots ( - thornton now refrains from taking too many outside shots and drives it in - baron (see thornton)

those 3 things alone = improvement from last year

-Both Kings are rebuilt team from last season Evans, Casspi, Rodriguez, Mays with some second year player producing in Thompson. The Thunder are still reconstructingaswespeak what areyou talking about both team arelearning as they go.

-You know what that team still wasn't a .500 team and ithat would still not make it if they played they did in the updated Western Conference. The style of play and talentin the NBA has upgraded since then so if they continues to play like they did they still wouldn't be aplayoff team.Beside we got Sam-I-Am in apeak year. People need to get off the nuts of that one year the next year regardless of injury we didn't make it back. How about the years before and after it huh?

-Mike Dunleavy told him to keep shooting what in the world is your point. Butle said it after one the games coach told him he is a shooter and keep on shooting. If you have aproblem with Butler holding the ball and shooting take it up with Dunleavy. That is a problem I don't even have.

-When the errors are team oriented it is the coaches job such as rotations, defensive and offensive sets, playcalling, and managing timeouts.

*All the points you made still happen lol Baron stopped taking so many 3's about a week ago though and Thornton panics on broken plays and forces shots espcially against touher teams. Not big gripes for me but nothing to make a case for.

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ekker3 wrote:
Icecoldclipper wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
Icecoldclipper wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
thanks Mays! I think the problem with Dunleavy is he has assembled the wrong players for his system so its hard to make a bunch of players fit who really dont...I think everything just went to **** from there

Howdoes that happen though when you are GM and coach. Watch tape seewho fits your style of play here is no excuse for not having the right player you either A)Didn't take the rebuilding process serious enough two years ago and rushed through it or B)your just a bad coach.

if you had a history of employing jason hart, brevin knight, dan dickau, daniel ewing, rick brunson, marco jaric, and keyon dooling - you JUMP at the opportunity to sign baron davis. i dont think anyone criticized the move at the time. im sure any gm would take on that opportunity and would find a way to make it work.

camby, kaman, gordon = all work in his system, but we lack a traditional go-to power forward

thornton, rasual = hold and stop the flow of the ball too much. a coach's nightmare

not to mention that our bench looks thinner than we originally thought.

i mean, take a GENUINE and UNBIASED view at our roster:

baron davis=play maker

sebasitan telfair=kick and drive PG

mardy collins=defender

rasual butler=streaky shooter

ricky davis=energy scorer

eric gordon=shooter

deandre jordan= energy big

chris kaman=post big/jumpshooter

steve novak=shooter

brian skinner= post defender

craig smith=banger

al thornton=slasher

does anything on that roster jump out at you? does that look like something that could compete in the West? its pretty bland.

I never thought we had strong depth this season and believe last season before trading Cat and Tim Thomas was the best depth with Paul Davis and Mike Taylor included. But even this this team has players that have roles it comes down to knowing how to manage them as a coach, and that has been where Dunleavy has failed in that regard. Dunleavy has failed with two different bench units first time may have been on the players but this time he will take the fall.

Again these players have roles you have to learn how to make them work. We had production early until Dunleavy kept game by game limiting the mintues and killing the rhythm. That or the constant new ways losing killed it.

Not buying your argument.

last year's bench:

alex acker

mardy collins

paul davis

a career low ricky davis

jason hart

fred jones

deandre jordan

novak

cheikh samb

brian skinner

mike taylor

5 of those guys are young and not even in the league anymore. how is that better depth? and yet you're calling dunleavy a failure for not being able to utilize this talent?

That is why I put before we traded Cat and Tim Thomas all those guys were during the time Dunleavy went ten day happy and gave up the season.

Baron Davis/Jason Hart/Mike Taylor

Cat Mobley/Eric Gordon/Ricky Davis

Al Thornton/Tim Thomas/Steve Novak

Marcus Camby/Paul Davis

Chris Kaman/Brian Skinner/DeAndre Jordan

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-Both Kings are rebuilt team from last season Evans, Casspi, Rodriguez, Mays with some second year player producing in Thompson. The Thunder are still reconstructingaswespeak what areyou talking about both team arelearning as they go.

the majority of the players on those teams (specifically the thunder) have incredibly smart players. we dont.

evans is the sole reason the kings are playing 500 ball. what happens when/if he hits the rookie wall?

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-You know what that team still wasn't a .500 team and ithat would still not make it if they played they did in the updated Western Conference. The style of play and talentin the NBA has upgraded since then so if they continues to play like they did they still wouldn't be aplayoff team.Beside we got Sam-I-Am in apeak year. People need to get off the nuts of that one year the next year regardless of injury we didn't make it back. How about the years before and after it huh?

exactly. the 4th quarter meltdown has existed for 25 years. i remember pulling out my childhood hair when it'd happen. back then it was more of a 3rd quarter meltdown. ill never forget lawler mentioning "we gotta get this thing down to at least 10 before the end of the 3rd" on a nightly basis.

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-Mike Dunleavy told him to keep shooting what in the world is your point. Butle said it after one the games coach told him he is a shooter and keep on shooting. If you have aproblem with Butler holding the ball and shooting take it up with Dunleavy. That is a problem I don't even have.

no, its a product of laissez-faire. its what happens when no order or play is set. during rotations al or ras, or sometimes baron, get hold of the ball and take 7 seconds off the clock before continuing the rotation. we need constant ball movement to get it done. being that the IQs are relatively low, we cant expect good constant looks when we give the authority to the players to run what they want.

ras knew his role was to be a shooter when he was signed. but he holds the ball way too long looking for a shot. he hasnt developed the consistency to do that just yet.

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*All the points you made still happen lol Baron stopped taking so many 3's about a week ago though and Thornton panics on broken plays and forces shots espcially against touher teams. Not big gripes for me but nothing to make a case for.

you cant gripe about a coach and then say those are nothing to make a case for. again, its a result of lowe basketball IQ.

its like blaming your mechanic for your having a ford pinto that breaks down when you drive it up hills.

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that's a deep bench?

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ekker3 wrote:
Icecoldclipper wrote:
clipper321 wrote:
thanks Mays! I think the problem with Dunleavy is he has assembled the wrong players for his system so its hard to make a bunch of players fit who really dont...I think everything just went to **** from there

Howdoes that happen though when you are GM and coach. Watch tape seewho fits your style of play here is no excuse for not having the right player you either A)Didn't take the rebuilding process serious enough two years ago and rushed through it or B)your just a bad coach.

if you had a history of employing jason hart, brevin knight, dan dickau, daniel ewing, rick brunson, marco jaric, and keyon dooling - you JUMP at the opportunity to sign baron davis. i dont think anyone criticized the move at the time. im sure any gm would take on that opportunity and would find a way to make it work.

camby, kaman, gordon = all work in his system, but we lack a traditional go-to power forward

thornton, rasual = hold and stop the flow of the ball too much. a coach's nightmare

not to mention that our bench looks thinner than we originally thought.

i mean, take a GENUINE and UNBIASED view at our roster:

baron davis

sebasitan telfair

mardy collins

rasual butler

ricky davis

eric gordon

deandre jordan

chris kaman

steve novak

brian skinner

craig smith

al thornton

does anything on that roster jump out at you? does that look like something that could compete in the West? its pretty bland.

I think we have a good team but as the season goes by some players are losing his confidence (Deandre, Smith, Telfair...the bench guys) thanks to Dunleavy. Dunleavy is playing with 6 players and it's not good for the team chemistry.

And honestly I think this roster is much better than other teams who have a similar record like us or teams that have played without their AllStars. We are the THIRD WORST TEAM IN THE WEST!!!

Dunleavy still has the Griffin excuse (he always has the injury excuse) But he's running out of time...

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everything will be better when we got Johnnnn Walllll

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who put this team together? rest my case

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ekker3 wrote:
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That is why I put before we traded Cat and Tim Thomas all those guys were during the time Dunleavy went ten day happy and gave up the season.

Baron Davis/Jason Hart/Mike Taylor

Cat Mobley/Eric Gordon/Ricky Davis

Al Thornton/Tim Thomas/Steve Novak

Marcus Camby/Paul Davis

Chris Kaman/Brian Skinner/DeAndre Jordan

that's a deep bench?

Your telling me that isn't the best depth we had since the rebuilding period a season ago? The fact alone we could bring EG off the bench makes that our best bench unit. Again this is what Dunleavy wanted.

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ekker3 wrote:
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-Both Kings are rebuilt team from last season Evans, Casspi, Rodriguez, Mays with some second year player producing in Thompson. The Thunder are still reconstructingaswespeak what areyou talking about both team arelearning as they go.

the majority of the players on those teams (specifically the thunder) have incredibly smart players. we dont.

evans is the sole reason the kings are playing 500 ball. what happens when/if he hits the rookie wall?

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-You know what that team still wasn't a .500 team and ithat would still not make it if they played they did in the updated Western Conference. The style of play and talentin the NBA has upgraded since then so if they continues to play like they did they still wouldn't be aplayoff team.Beside we got Sam-I-Am in apeak year. People need to get off the nuts of that one year the next year regardless of injury we didn't make it back. How about the years before and after it huh?

exactly. the 4th quarter meltdown has existed for 25 years. i remember pulling out my childhood hair when it'd happen. back then it was more of a 3rd quarter meltdown. ill never forget lawler mentioning "we gotta get this thing down to at least 10 before the end of the 3rd" on a nightly basis.

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-Mike Dunleavy told him to keep shooting what in the world is your point. Butle said it after one the games coach told him he is a shooter and keep on shooting. If you have aproblem with Butler holding the ball and shooting take it up with Dunleavy. That is a problem I don't even have.

no, its a product of laissez-faire. its what happens when no order or play is set. during rotations al or ras, or sometimes baron, get hold of the ball and take 7 seconds off the clock before continuing the rotation. we need constant ball movement to get it done. being that the IQs are relatively low, we cant expect good constant looks when we give the authority to the players to run what they want.

ras knew his role was to be a shooter when he was signed. but he holds the ball way too long looking for a shot. he hasnt developed the consistency to do that just yet.

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*All the points you made still happen lol Baron stopped taking so many 3's about a week ago though and Thornton panics on broken plays and forces shots espcially against touher teams. Not big gripes for me but nothing to make a case for.

you cant gripe about a coach and then say those are nothing to make a case for. again, its a result of lowe basketball IQ.

its like blaming your mechanic for your having a ford pinto that breaks down when you drive it up hills.

Kings and Thunder stepped it up from year your telling me Scott Brooks and the Kings coach had nothing to do with it. Durant went out of the way to the media to tell people how much he wanted Brooks to stay as coach. Evans is a monster but the new coach also has some of the new pieces that came to the team producing. Only down-side of the Kings is they seems to be playing better without Martin ( who they might not mind trading) and Hawkes is having a bad year. You are acting like these guys were mad genius for years they still had a good amount of the so called "dumb players" that had them right there in the lotto with us last season. The coaches stepped up and helped them get better as a unit in the words of Phil Jackson in the Rockets vs Lakers series "Give those guys some f*cking credit". lol

It happens more consistently in the Dunleavy era that was my point.

Butler can create that is the one advatage he has over Gordon even when he couldn't make a single shot, Butler is a moving Shooter like a Rip but not as confident in his first look Butler will run all over the court to get a open look and at times he won't take the first look but he will move to get the shot. Thornton is Thornton he came into the NBA with this iso system which hasn't changed from his college system ball movement is still coming to him. Baron holds the ball this season so long because he is waiting to set up the play. Besides that the directin your post is going is if we have ball movement if is wasn't for those players when in fact you know the team gets past half-court and dumps it to Kaman everytime. This team doesn't use ball movement to often if at all, don't believe me go look at the George Karl article regarding the match betwen A.I. and Mike Dunleavy's coaching.

I didn't gripe I mentioned there isn't enough proof of improvement for you to warrant those as improvements by Dunleavy. Espcially when those things you wrote he helped improve on still happen quite often. Okay then it's low B-Ball IQ and lack of effective play calling. You learn how to counter offensive and defensive break downs by the coach if the entire team breaks down on a play constantly it might be something wrong with the gameplan.

It's also like a teacher being mad at a class of students for failing a test when the teacher didn't know the material they were teaching themselves. Twisted Evil

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This is a long thread and i'm too lazy to read it all but..

We need coach Dunleavy to learn how to use our weapons. It's that simple. If he can't, he should be gone. The team is filled with talent, yet we always have scoring droughts.

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If any of you have followed my words of wisdom, I have said for a long time that salary cap should not be an issue when you can win. We have to upgrade the bench now and we have to spend the $$$ no matter what. Screw Tax. This is an exciting team (Baron is playing well) Who wouldn't want to watch Al, EJ, BG Camby Kaman? They could SMOKE. If we won we wouldn't get bumped from important networks. Being in the Big Market gives more ad revenues, STH's merchandies etc. Also if you want a good FA we may and should if needed pay some tax. As I have said many times a Clipp/LAL rivalry could be po$$$ible. This is TNT stuff

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