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Turtle
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this could very well happen on the trade deadline.

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Where is the link?

Turtle
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I can't post it. It says I have to wait until I post like 95 times or something like that. Sorry.

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omg this is BS. if this happens, wow atlanta is drun kif they pull the trigger on this. i STILL continue to believe that josh smith is a small forward. make it happen dunleavy.

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okay can u tell us what website?

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i have a feeling that you, Turtle, are a Hawks fan trying to yank our chains lol

Turtle
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Not a Hawks fan. Been a Clippers fan for about 20 years.

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cool, so can you mention a website dude?

Turtle
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real gm

Turtle
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it's not a legit website but at least it's something to talk about.

make sure it's under trade deadline fantasia

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please dont tell me you got it off the forums, cause those are fan made scenarios

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I just don't see Josh Smith as a SF... I don't buy it.

Turtle
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No it's not from the forums.

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they are doing so well, why would they want to even think about trading him?

Turtle
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and Josh Smith can play SF. Imagine if we keep Camby (C), Griffin (PF), J. Smith (SF), Gordon (SG), Baron (PG)

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here is the link:

http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/86 ... _fantasia/

Looks like realgm writers made some trades they thought should happen before the deadline

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Id love to see this happen AFTER the all star break lol. i want kaman to rep the clippers, not the hawks. but i would definitely love to get this guy for kaman. if they want a 2012 first round pick, i'd give it to them.

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realgm is like the Star magazine of the regular world. Pure speculation and rumors they create themselves with no facts.

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btw the other rumor of Camby for Mullens, Harpring and a first round Pick?? Thats way worse than Kaman for Smith. RealGm is filled with mediocre sports writers who dont even live in the real world

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clipperboy24 wrote:
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here is the link:

http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/86 ... _fantasia/

Looks like realgm writers made some trades they thought should happen before the deadline

realgm is like the Star magazine of the regular world. Pure speculation and rumors they create themselves with no facts.

yeah i agree. they hear anything at all and they make it a front page rumor. the forums are decent on the site for general nba talk, but yeah the rumors can get pretty bad. this article is just like the espn that came out earlier this week talking about what trades SHOULD happen, but may not even be discussed by the GMs.

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I wish this would happen Sad

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I def would not like to see this....Josh smith does not have the inside and outside game kaman has....we better be gettin someone else to if this trade was to go through

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We get shafted if this deal goes through. Smith doesn't play center, so who will? Camby? For one more year then he's outta here like very other free agent. Bad idea IMHO. But then again who am I.

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this trade makes no sense at all.

josh smith is great but what role does he fill? a lot of our problems are caused because we dont have shooters. josh smith cant shoot. baron cant shoot. camby isnt much of a shooter, and he wont even be coming back next year. so what would we look like next year?

deandre(unless 36 year old camby signs on)

blake

smith

gordon

davis

also, anyone realize that smith is a very similar player to griffin? both like playing around the basket and neither can shoot from outside. that lineup would be an awful lineup in terms of outside shooting. the clips need another forward to complement blake, not play the same style. usually you like to have guys who play almost opposite styles to a)prevent them from getting in each others way and b) hide the others weaknesses. for instance, putting griffin next to kaman could work beautifully because kaman is a nice perimeter center with good touch, but lacks athleticism and toughness around the basket. griffin does those things perfectly, perfectly complementing kaman and hiding some of his flaws(or so we hope.) same way we don't need josh smith next to griffin, we need a forward who can play d, handle the ball, and shoot from outside, because no one else does that. we don't need another athletic 4.

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I agree Kaman is playing amazing and all and I also agree that Blake is very similar to Smith but lets not forget these very important facts. If you talk about overall talent Josh Smith can easily be considered a top 5 player in this league. He's an outstanding defender and rebounder and he can score 30 no problem, especially with his improved 3 point range. I would do the trade for a couple reasons. First being we can't keep swearing by Blake. Even if he comes back healthy and strong we can just move Josh down to the 3 where he's an absolute animal at 6'9 250. With Blake and Smith in the front court with Camby or whoever we replace with, we would be unstoppable.

Plus like the article states he's only 24 years old and is like a 6 year vet already. The guy has a very high ceiling, unfortunately I think Kaman is about as good as he will get.

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There's no way the Hawks do this trade. But if I'm wrong, I'll be very happy!

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Thank you Sean Rooks. This trade makes no sense from our perspective, but plenty of sense from theirs as Horford could slide to PF and they would have a legit center for the first time.

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in the last 3 years Josh smith has only scored 30+ four times and he hasnt scored 30 points since April 10 2009! He is definitely not top 5 talent in the league. He is a good player but his overall game is lacking. Very good defender and rebounder with decent offense. He is probably top 5 in athleticism but not top 5 in talent.

With J-smoove we would be giving up a C for a PF. Which as many have already pointed out, we already have.

Anyways, this isnt even a real trade rumor.

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This. This deal would significantly impact how the Hawks play, so I don't see why they would do it considering they're already very good.

Turtle
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I would only do this trade if we know we won't have the money to get Bron, or Wade this summer.

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Wow, that's all I can say. GREAT analysis.

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clipperboy24 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
I agree Kaman is playing amazing and all and I also agree that Blake is very similar to Smith but lets not forget these very important facts. If you talk about overall talent Josh Smith can easily be considered a top 5 player in this league. He's an outstanding defender and rebounder and he can score 30 no problem, especially with his improved 3 point range. I would do the trade for a couple reasons. First being we can't keep swearing by Blake. Even if he comes back healthy and strong we can just move Josh down to the 3 where he's an absolute animal at 6'9 250. With Blake and Smith in the front court with Camby or whoever we replace with, we would be unstoppable.

Plus like the article states he's only 24 years old and is like a 6 year vet already. The guy has a very high ceiling, unfortunately I think Kaman is about as good as he will get.

in the last 3 years Josh smith has only scored 30+ four times and he hasnt scored 30 points since April 10 2009! He is definitely not top 5 talent in the league. He is a good player but his overall game is lacking. Very good defender and rebounder with decent offense. He is probably top 5 in athleticism but not top 5 in talent.

With J-smoove we would be giving up a C for a PF. Which as many have already pointed out, we already have.

Anyways, this isnt even a real trade rumor.

Do you know that the first 3-4 years of his career were spent at the 3? Only these last 2 years has he spent his entire time at the 4 pretty much. He's averaging 15.2 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 4 apg, 1.6 spg and 2 bpg in what's not even his best year. His efficiency rating is almost a PER of 22 which is far better than any Clippers player (Kaman is around 20). When you factor in a 51 percent from the field shooting percentage you can definitely argue OVERALL he's a top 5 player. He's a shut down post and perimeter defender as well as a spectacular rebounder and shot blocker for his size. He's a threat every year to win defensive player of the year. My comment about him being able to score 30 anytime just meant if he wasn't on a team with 3-4 15 plus ppg scorers he could easily be in the low 20's. He simply isn't too aggressive on offense which is why he isn't a big scorer.

Either way this is the only time I can recall where I strongly disagree with you. Kaman for Smith would be a steal for us most definitely. Sure we would miss Kaman but Camby would fill in wonderfully until we get into the free agent market in the off season. Fantasy or not, only a fool wouldn't pull the trigger. Do you remember our big 06 run? Remember opposing teams having trouble with the combined shot blocking/defense of Kaman/Brand? Josh Smith and Blake would impose a ton of teams. Kaman has the same effect but Kaman will never in his life win a defensive player of the year award, Josh Smith will finish with 3 at least.

Joe Johnson is the leader of the Hawks but Josh Smith is often considered the backbone and most important player of the Hawks (Hawks are one of the 3 teams I follow). Do you guys know Josh Smith is the youngest player EVER to reach 1,000 blocked shots? Considering he's a 6'9 forward and many GREAT Centers have come before him that's VERY impressive. Josh Smith actually hit 1,000 blocks quicker than ANYONE has ever hit 900 blocked shots, which is super impressive.

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I would do it. i say lets play small ball.

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I just wish someone in the front office would make a decision about the identity of this team. Kaman plays half-court, Baron plays small ball. At least if we make this move our team will make a little more sense instead of a mix of players with conflicting styles. Also Kaman is a great center, but we're not exactly lighting it up right now with him. We should get rid of him before he gets another hang-nail and sits another 10 games or so.

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The perfect SF is the guy who can hit the outside jumper, and drive to the bucket, get fouled and score. A SF that is a double threat is what we need. Not a one dimensional guy. And if he can play defense then you have a triple threat. let's find that guy. Who do you think we can get?

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It looks like Butler is going to Dallas so Iggy or Deng appear to be the guys being dangled out there... And Iggy becomes such an expensive player 17-million at the end of his contract, that he's just not worth it...

Salaries are contracting in the NBA... That could be a real problem having him on your roster if you're not winning big.

Turtle
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what about Amar'e going to Cleveland.

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I think we must try to get Caron, right now!!!

But, if i should choise between AI9 and Deng, i prefer Deng.

Or

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send baron/kaman to HOU for tmac

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send tmac to CLE for shaq

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buy out shaq

The salaries are perfect!!!

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no matter how good Kaman could be no one likes his style of play....

and why Smith if we have Griffin?

makes no sence...dump or trade some of the bench players for cap space and get a legit small forward!!

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Hoopsworld is reporting that the following trade is a done deal, just waiting for approval from the league office when it opens on Monday;

Wizards ship Caron Butler, Haywood and Stevenson to Dallas for Josh Howard, Goodin and Q Ross.

That means that Iggy and Deng are the SF who seem to be on the block.

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Here's one that works on ESPN trade machine

Baron, Camby and Thornton for Iggy, Dalembert and Holiday.

Philly saves over 10-million next year and unites Baron and Brand. Ha! We get our SF, a backup C to replace Camby, with only a year left on his contract and a promising PG... We'd need to bring in a PG in the off-season.

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Beg to differ. He has more moves than any other Center in the league. The players know it, The coaches know it, the opposing team's commentators know it.

It seems that the only ones that refuse to acknowledge it are our own fans.

If by style you mean he turns the ball over a lot, then you have a point. With that said, here are the leading centers with the most TO's.

First number is the total TO's and the second is game averages.

1

Dwight Howard , ORL

195 3.6

2

Chris Kaman , LAC

140 3.0

3

Brook Lopez , NJN

133 2.6

4

Kendrick Perkins , BOS

124 2.5

5

David Lee , NYK

126 2.5

6

Tyson Chandler , CHA

58 2.1

7

Joakim Noah , CHI

97 2.1

8

Marc Gasol , MEM

105 2.1

9

Shaquille O'Neal , CLE

98 2.0

10

Andrew Bogut , MIL

88 2.0

Notice that the list is arguably a list of the top 10 centers in the league?

Notice that Howard is the leader in TO's by a whole lot more? Howard is probably the most dominant but he has the most TO's. That tells me that the most active Centers that get the ball more, turn it over more.

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clipper*joe wrote:
ClipThemOff wrote:
no matter how good Kaman could be no one likes his style of play....

and why Smith if we have Griffin?

makes no sence...dump or trade some of the bench players for cap space and get a legit small forward!!

Beg to differ. He has more moves than any other Center in the league. The players know it, The coaches know it, the opposing team's commentators know it.

It seems that the only ones that refuse to acknowledge it are our own fans.

If by style you mean he turns the ball over a lot, then you have a point. With that said, here are the leading centers with the most TO's.

First number is the total TO's and the second is game averages.

1

Dwight Howard , ORL

195 3.6

2

Chris Kaman , LAC

140 3.0

3

Brook Lopez , NJN

133 2.6

4

Kendrick Perkins , BOS

124 2.5

5

David Lee , NYK

126 2.5

6

Tyson Chandler , CHA

58 2.1

7

Joakim Noah , CHI

97 2.1

8

Marc Gasol , MEM

105 2.1

9

Shaquille O'Neal , CLE

98 2.0

10

Andrew Bogut , MIL

88 2.0

Notice that the list is arguably a list of the top 10 centers in the league?

Notice that Howard is the leader in TO's by a whole lot more? Howard is probably the most dominant but he has the most TO's. That tells me that the most active Centers that get the ball more, turn it over more.

I had to rep you for that one Joe. Good post!

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People think it should be easy, spotting a double team and kicking it out of the post to open shooters... It isn't... NBA defenses do a great job of hiding where the double teamer is coming from, waiting for the center to turn his back, or dribble and coming then. A center, when he goes into the post, has his back to at least half the players on the floor. Not an easy position to play in 5 on 5... A guy like Kaman, who is a threat and must be doubled, draws a big crowd. And more, he's operating in a very crowded area. Lots of people are getting hands in, trying to tie him up, etc... It is not easy to play in a crowd... Add to that, the defense on the outside is rotating into the passing lanes, so if he makes a loose pass, there is a good chance it will be stolen.

In many ways it's much easier for guards who are are playing facing the basket all the time and can see the whole floor, and who are on the outside where there is lots of room to operate.

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Love it...For us. If I'm a Philly fan, I don't like this too much. If they want to shed salary, kind of defeats the purpose when you add Baron into this deal. Next year they would be damn near the worst team in the league with those two over the hill over hyped overrated chumps trying to run a pick and roll. Baron and Brand deserve to be forced to play together in the armpit of America.

It would be great though for us! Getting Holiday paired up with Eric, Iggy, Blake, Kaman (and DJ waiting his turn)...That's a great team for the next 10 years.

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clipper*joe wrote:
ClipThemOff wrote:
no matter how good Kaman could be no one likes his style of play....

and why Smith if we have Griffin?

makes no sence...dump or trade some of the bench players for cap space and get a legit small forward!!

Beg to differ. He has more moves than any other Center in the league. The players know it, The coaches know it, the opposing team's commentators know it.

It seems that the only ones that refuse to acknowledge it are our own fans.

If by style you mean he turns the ball over a lot, then you have a point. With that said, here are the leading centers with the most TO's.

First number is the total TO's and the second is game averages.

1

Dwight Howard , ORL

195 3.6

2

Chris Kaman , LAC

140 3.0

3

Brook Lopez , NJN

133 2.6

4

Kendrick Perkins , BOS

124 2.5

5

David Lee , NYK

126 2.5

6

Tyson Chandler , CHA

58 2.1

7

Joakim Noah , CHI

97 2.1

8

Marc Gasol , MEM

105 2.1

9

Shaquille O'Neal , CLE

98 2.0

10

Andrew Bogut , MIL

88 2.0

Notice that the list is arguably a list of the top 10 centers in the league?

Notice that Howard is the leader in TO's by a whole lot more? Howard is probably the most dominant but he has the most TO's. That tells me that the most active Centers that get the ball more, turn it over more.

I don't hate the idea of trading Kaman for Josh Smith...Only because Smith is one of the elite players in the league and I think we could adjust the rest of the roster to accomodate him...

That said, THANK YOU CJ for putting up this analysis of turnovers vs. the other centers. Doesn't matter what stats you look at, Kaman is one of if not thee best center in the league today. When Yao gets back, he's the guy but I just don't see another true center out there that's better than our guy. Just looking at those names on the list. Who in the hell would you want other Howard. The league is damn near devoid of talent at this position today. Howard, Kaman, and a bunch of guys in the league only because they got lucky and grew to 7feet.

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There's some good points to this trade ... except our only PGs would be Holiday and Collins. Uh oh.

But I agree w/ The Dude, this is not the deal Philly is looking for.

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my question i is that all we need is Iggy all the other guys ppl are throwing in seems pointless because there are multiple trades that we can do just to get Iggy and thats it

like camby, ricky, and skinner for iggy

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The Sixers want to slash payroll and their only hope is moving Igoudala who they really don't want to move. To get Iggy you'd most likely have to agree to take on Dalembert. Sure his contract is not that great, but we'd keep our front court depth and his contract is expiring next year. That contract becomes a very valuable trade asset.

We need to make a move before Thursday. I'll be happy with a deal that brings in either Igoudala or Deng.

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ether wrote:
SamMays wrote:
Here's one that works on ESPN trade machine

Baron, Camby and Thornton for Iggy, Dalembert and Holiday.

Philly saves over 10-million next year and unites Baron and Brand. Ha! We get our SF, a backup C to replace Camby, with only a year left on his contract and a promising PG... We'd need to bring in a PG in the off-season.

There's some good points to this trade ... except our only PGs would be Holiday and Collins. Uh oh.

But I agree w/ The Dude, this is not the deal Philly is looking for.

Our work wouldn't be done... We'd still need to find our PG, though Holiday shows promise. And even with Baron, they'd save a lot of money next year... But you're all right... I can't imagine Philly taking Baron.

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