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Still, it is hard to believe LeBron will pick LAC as his destination...

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Under the circumstances, I guess it doesn't seem all that far-fetched. Its certainly something we can offer LeBron that no other team really can. Not the way I'd approach things if I we're running the Clippers, but its certainly a strategy.

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That's actually kind of funny.

That's the equivalent of telling a guy to leave his Ferrari for a NEW Hyundai with his choice of spark plugs and brand of oil.

Why would he leave the best team in the league for a lottery team? Oh, that's right, he will get more endorsements here. roll

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My friend, never underestimate the appeal of palm trees and double d's. Those are the two biggest reasons I moved here.

Being a multi millionaire in L.A. is a lot more fun than in Cleveland.

He might be a freak but he's still human.

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TheDude wrote:
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That's actually kind of funny.

That's the equivalent of telling a guy to leave his Ferrari for a NEW Hyundai with his choice of spark plugs and brand of oil.

Why would he leave the best team in the league for a lottery team? Oh, that's right, he will get more endorsements here. roll

My friend, never underestimate the appeal of palm trees and double d's. Those are the two biggest reasons I moved here.

Being a multi millionaire in L.A. is a lot more fun than in Cleveland.

He might be a freak but he's still human.

Ah, but, being a multi-millionaire means you can have them Dbl D's and palm trees brought to you....why travel when you can have everything catered to you? Very Happy

Anyway, once he realizes just about everything is silicone and plastic here, he will rather cover up from the cold in Cleveland than wake up one morning and realize that all that glitters isn't gold....oh, and wake up to cameras in his living room for the third season of VH1's "Lebron's life"....and realizing that "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" is still beating him out. Shocked

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This made me laugh out loud. Smile


I think the organization is better off hiring the brightest and most competent GM and coach they can get and show potential free agents (and their own roster) that they are committed to building a winning product.

Trying to lure Lebron by having him do the things an organization ought to be doing of its own accord reeks of futile desperation and backwards logic.

Par for the course from here own out, I guess.

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I must admit that the prospect of luring the best player on the planet (yeah, he’s the best but if it’s do or die I’d still rather have Kobe take the last shot) to play for the Clippers… well it’s pretty breathtaking. If you measure your basketball experience by the quality of play, and the meaningfulness of games, then of course LeBron would take this franchise to levels heretofore unseen, hell, barely imagined. There’s that. But somehow the idea that a single player, no matter how good, could be a determining factor in not only the head coach, but in the general management of the team is… unsettling.

I know that I’m old school. I talk about Bird, Magic and Jordan in glowing terms, not only for their production on the court, which was of course legendary, but for their drive. The rare will to win that not only made them great, but demanded similar effort from their teammates. That plus their willingness to sacrifice their personal games to whatever degree it took to sell that team concept for the sake of winning. Larry and Magic revived the lost art of passing, at least for anyone over 6’3”, and Jordan… well he was… shoot, if you don’t know how good he was then you’re not paying attention. These are rare talents, they only come around so often. Seriously, since the 80’s, it’s them and Timmy, maybe Isiah (hey ON the court Thomas was the real thing), maybe Shaq, possibly Garnett and that’s about it at that rarified level, ‘til now. Right now we’ve got Kobe (for all you haters out there you can’t ignore the body of work, you just can’t, he’s shown that he “gets it” now) and… LeBron. I might include DWade with those transcendent talents, but again, obviously they’re rare. KD? Carmelo? Great players but they haven’t shown THAT kind of “we WILL win” determination yet. So snagging LeBron would mean WORLDS to this franchise if it happened. But the idea of his having say in upper management… whew. Weird. Why? Well just for example, what if Blake Griffin becomes everything potential says he might be? Just for the sake of discussion, if Griffin ascends to Mailman status, where is HIS sayso in things? What if Gordon spends the summer watching MJ highlights and somehow starts channeling that kind of arrogance/aggressiveness to become everything the most enthusiastic forum member hoped he could be… where does his position in the pecking order settle?

See, this is the thing. It’s a team game. Always has been, always will be. Regardless of how great Bird or Magic was, you never heard them talk about it being “their” team. With Jordan… well he was so good and so driven it allowed him to answer that coach who chided him with the “there’s no “I” in team” adage with the pointed reply “but there’s an “I” in win”. But even he knew about team and winning eventually. It’s ultimately about chemistry. I KNOW that LeBron is fine as far as teammates on the court. His on the court play is unassailable, but he's never hesitated to call Cleveland "his" team and he didn't even pick the coach, much less the GM! I just wonder about how his fellows would deal with all of this “LeBron’s team… from GM, to coach”, and what it might imply. Don’t get me wrong, I know that the great players have always had influence on prospective coaches, on who stayed or who might be hired. But we seem to be offering LeBron the whole package, and I was just wondering if teammates, especially if their games approach his in quality, might have any problem being known as part of the Los Angeles LeBrons. Hey, I know that winning cures all ills (er... at least until the next free agent market beckons) and this might well be a tempest in a teapot, but I have to wonder. Please, convince me that my fears are groundless.

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i disagree Clipper Joe, Our starting five w/Lebron is way better then Cavs Starting five with Lebron

but i doubt he leaves cleveland for us.

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LMFAO! lol

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Well it's hard to fault the team for trying to lure the best player in the league over- they're definitely going all out. So I can't fault the top brass for effort here. But they better have some sort of Plan B in place, and it'd better be a good one.

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Based on comments Eric Pincus made in an article he wrote yesterday, whatever the Plan B is seems pretty murky at this point.

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Going back to the Ferrari to a new Hyundai comparison. I view it more like having the ability to build a trophy winning hot rod. Yeah we currently are worse than the Cavs but with Lebron we have a better younger supporting cast in the long term. Also, aside from the Cavs, currently what does Cleveland have its like Ohio's Detroit.

As far as having double D's and palm trees I would take the real thing over having it catered. Along those same lines Lebron should strongly consider playing with D Wade in Miami also. Lebron wouldn't have the ability he would have in NYC or LA but would have another superstar to play alongside.

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If I was the Clippers F/O, i wouldn't even pursue leBron, but that's a different story.

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I knew a guy who was so inept he walked into walls but he had more girls than you can imagine because they felt sorry for him and he looked like Woody Allen but I heard he had polska kielbasa maxima. I don't know what this has to do with anything. BUT speaking of sausage everyone feels sorry for us ---BUT---

Kaman all star. Jordan (I hope you guys are right)

Blake G, Rhino (he has a big horn) or Drew

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EJ and Butler

Blake and BD. If LBJ is there BD will work hard or go to the Nets if it's a LBJ team. (oops their bench beat us)

A good SG or back up SG or SF and a couple of shooters. I wish we could give him part ownership of the team which we can't of course Making it "his team" is cool. Remeber Kobe made LAL "his team" If his bitchiness wasnt a ring he'll shut up. I'll give 30%. More if we WIN?

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First I want to mention I am a bit disappointed in some of the comments I read form our long time fans. Why wouldn’t we have a chance to land a guy like LBJ? I applaud the effort that our franchise is taking to have a shot at doing this. Now only if the fans would have a some faith and be positive at the face that this can actually be achieved. This is LA, Hollywood people from all over the world know this place as the land of dreams coming true, NOT Cleveland! Lebron is a great basketball player and most importantly a business man, who wants to achieve big things in life. The LA Clippers can offer him the opportunity to relocate to the capital of entertainment of the world.

And I certainly don’t think of our guys as Hyundai parts and I find that disrespectful towards the guys we watch and love like E.G and B.G and even Kaman who has achieved so much this year and continues to get bashed on day and day out here by some people. Can you imagine if some our young players find out, what the fans say about them and write on the fan site, I understand all of you are frustrated with the season but please stop bashing our guys, and start to believe in that we too can make a big splash in the NBA and happen to be in the right town to do it. Hollywood, Los Angeles.

Shaq to LAL 1996

LBJ to LAC 2010

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I'd like a coach like Don Nelson who says he is the number one D-league coach in the NBA, this year.

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He's the reason they're the best team in the league. Take him off the team, then they lose to the Bucks. Bring him over here, he doesn't have to do as much, and we still win as much as he did with the Cavs.

And then there's the endorsements and the fact that its LA Smile

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clipfan619 wrote:
First I want to mention I am a bit disappointed in some of the comments I read form our long time fans. Why wouldn’t we have a chance to land a guy like LBJ? I applaud the effort that our franchise is taking to have a shot at doing this. Now only if the fans would have a some faith and be positive at the face that this can actually be achieved. This is LA, Hollywood people from all over the world know this place as the land of dreams coming true, NOT Cleveland! Lebron is a great basketball player and most importantly a business man, who wants to achieve big things in life. The LA Clippers can offer him the opportunity to relocate to the capital of entertainment of the world.

CF619, don't take some of the humorous comments i made literally....it was just for effect.

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And I certainly don’t think of our guys as Hyundai parts and I find that disrespectful towards the guys we watch and love like E.G and B.G and even Kaman who has achieved so much this year and continues to get bashed on day and day out here by some people. Can you imagine if some our young players find out, what the fans say about them and write on the fan site, I understand all of you are frustrated with the season but please stop bashing our guys, and start to believe in that we too can make a big splash in the NBA and happen to be in the right town to do it. Hollywood, Los Angeles.

Shaq to LAL 1996

LBJ to LAC 2010

The hyundai comment was a metaphor...again, don't take that serious.

If the Cavs are the Ferrari of the league ( best record) and we are at the bottom, what car would you describe us as based on that?

And if the FO is willing to offer LBJ the option to pick GM ( Spark plugs) and Coach ( oil), how would you best describe the situation?

It's a metaphor.

Would you trade in your ferrari ( best team) for a ....get it?

This was NOT bashing, it was to illustrate what LBJ would be doing if he came here. Giving up that for this when he is sitting pretty is what this situation amounts to. I thought for sure people here would get that....oh well.

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clipperloyal11 wrote:
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That's actually kind of funny.

That's the equivalent of telling a guy to leave his Ferrari for a NEW Hyundai with his choice of spark plugs and brand of oil.

Why would he leave the best team in the league for a lottery team? Oh, that's right, he will get more endorsements here. roll

He's the reason they're the best team in the league. Take him off the team, then they lose to the Bucks. Bring him over here, he doesn't have to do as much, and we still win as much as he did with the Cavs.

And then there's the endorsements and the fact that its LA Smile

Yup, true but they have talent...more than we do right now. I cringe every time people say that. They have nice pieces that know their role. We have players still trying to find their way.

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If the Cavs are the Ferrari of the league ( best record) and we are at the bottom, what car would you describe us as based on that?

I understand what your say here, Cavs are the Ferrari of the NBA right now, of course it’s all because of LBJ. Just him breathing the same air as his teammates in that cavs locker room would make them all competitors. Smile

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And if the FO is willing to offer LBJ the option to pick GM ( Spark plugs) and Coach ( oil), how would you best describe the situation?

Sounds desperate, but when you are talking about LBJ the crown jewel of the NBA, and you have one shot, It's worth the shot!

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Would you trade in your ferrari ( best team) for a ....get it?

Will I would say more like, Hey want to leave this Ferrari and customize another one, IN LA! where then you can drive and show it off on sunset blvd, and not worry about snow chains in the winter!! Smile

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We have no chance of luring Lebron. Were not getting him. It's over. Were still the clippers, and that stigma will not go away. We could not sign Ray Allen, Kobe, or anybody of any magnitude. The ony good free agents we ever signed were Mobley and Baron and I'm starting to wonder about Baron.

The best we can hope for is that Baron can convince a friend of his to come to the team, maybe Bosh, but its a long shot.

We are perpetually a losing franchise. I think the best move is not to worry about position but purchase the best free agent available. And, if that means getting another powerforward or center, so be it.

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Most of the great teams have superstars... Most superstars are gotten in the draft... Duncan, Kobe (draft day trade) Lebron, Carmelo, Howard, Roy, etc...

If we bring in a superstar, we'll have little to put around him as all our money will be spent on Superstar, Baron, Kaman... That would be 42 million on three players.

If instead, we get our own superstar (Blake Griffin I hope), then we'll have the money to surround him with talented players while he's still on his rookie contract... Then, as their contracts expire, we can go over the cap to resign them... That's how most of the great teams are built... The superstar comes in as a rookie... The Celtics are about the only exception to that I can think of and they were only built to last a few years... Even Detroit drafted their stars, though they never had a superstar... Imagine if they'd picked Carmelo...

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I agree with this post. I feel like we forgot about how good BG was in the summer leagues and the preseason. IMO, he CAN be the superstar for the clippers. He'll be home grown, and we'll just have to surround him with the necessary pieces to take him to the top. Let's just hope and pray that he recovers from his surgery well, and he won't get into future injury troubles. If anything, BG is plan A, LBJ is plan B to me.

btw, i'd wait a year and take Carmelo over LBJ. Just my opinion.

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Lebron alongside EJ, BG, Kaveman & Boom is scary good if not better than MoWill, Parker, Jamison & Hickson(w/o LBJ the cavs would be a pinto). Face it pplz we have a legitimate shot @ signing King just like NJ, NY & MIA. Don't fight the feeling Clipper nation!!

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The Hyundai Genesis did win car of the year....just saying Very Happy

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That new hyundai genesis(coupe or sedan) is a dope ride.

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Genesis Coupe looks nice but it's not that great. I test drove the loaded one for a while and the performance is terrible for a car around 30k. You can just buy a WRX like I did, pay a couple hundred for a tune and have a beastly car like mine. The WRX is in the same price range and more practically and a much better performer.

Joe you should of definitely said a Kia or Daewoo though considering Hyundai has won 2 out of the last 3 car of the year awards.

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i really dont like the idea of trying to lure in a star like Lebron by telling him hey we havent been able to pick a great coach or gm lately why dont you come join the clippers and will let you handle our job as well.. i mean maybe ask the players on their take but how attractive does it sound for a FA to join a team that cant even pick a coach or gm for themselves

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I mean, they ought to inquire, of course.

But regardless of Lebron, the Clippers front office needs to hire the best GM and coach they can afford. Don't they at least care about what cornerstones Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin think in terms of vision and planning?

If Lebron stays in Cleveland, does that mean they won't bother upgrading the front office? I'm sure Gordon and Griffin would be thrilled to hear that.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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That new hyundai genesis(coupe or sedan) is a dope ride.

Genesis Coupe looks nice but it's not that great. I test drove the loaded one for a while and the performance is terrible for a car around 30k. You can just buy a WRX like I did, pay a couple hundred for a tune and have a beastly car like mine. The WRX is in the same price range and more practically and a much better performer.

Joe you should of definitely said a Kia or Daewoo though considering Hyundai has won 2 out of the last 3 car of the year awards.

No,not really. It actually fits better.

We are not the worst team in the league...just Like Hyundai isn't the worst ride. And just like you said, looks good but rides awful....Clippers look good on paper but...you get my point.

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Well said.

Can't wait to see Blake and Gordon play together.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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That new hyundai genesis(coupe or sedan) is a dope ride.

Genesis Coupe looks nice but it's not that great. I test drove the loaded one for a while and the performance is terrible for a car around 30k. You can just buy a WRX like I did, pay a couple hundred for a tune and have a beastly car like mine. The WRX is in the same price range and more practically and a much better performer.

Joe you should of definitely said a Kia or Daewoo though considering Hyundai has won 2 out of the last 3 car of the year awards.

Hyundai finally made a respectable sports coupe similar to the same effect Lebron would have if he signed with our clips. We'd be more competitive and respectable w/o a doubt.

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clipper*joe wrote:
clipperloyal11 wrote:
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That's actually kind of funny.

That's the equivalent of telling a guy to leave his Ferrari for a NEW Hyundai with his choice of spark plugs and brand of oil.

Why would he leave the best team in the league for a lottery team? Oh, that's right, he will get more endorsements here. roll

He's the reason they're the best team in the league. Take him off the team, then they lose to the Bucks. Bring him over here, he doesn't have to do as much, and we still win as much as he did with the Cavs.

And then there's the endorsements and the fact that its LA Smile

Yup, true but they have talent...more than we do right now. I cringe every time people say that. They have nice pieces that know their role. We have players still trying to find their way.

All this comparison of cars is moot. Because once you take Lebron out of the Cavs its like taking the enging out of the Ferrari and strippin it of its badge. He is the ferrari. He is the Cavaliers. Mo williams, Shaq, Jamison, those guys havent exactly been playoff heavy weights the last 2 years.

There is a strong appeal to live in LA and be a part of the glitz and glam that many people who grew up here dont understand. Have you ever been to Cleveland? Boring. At least in comparison to LA its very boring. The amount of capital flowing thru Cleveland vs. LA is ridiculous and Lebron has clearly said money is very important to him.

I think the Shaq comparison is a great one becausethe Lakers wwere sucking it with no respect and then Shaq teams with a rookie by the name of Kobe Bryant and they go on to dominate and bring back franchise glory.

Now we dont have franchise glary but what greater legacy than to be the one to bring franchise glory to the lowly Clippers? Shaq couldnt win the big dance until he teamed with Kobe. Lebron and Griffin might be that amazing combo and the more i think about it the more i think it is a very real possibility.

Yes Joe i know you think there is no way he comes here but honestly outside of your opinion, what do you have to back you up? Your chinese theory? Please, there are plenty of wealthy investors that at the wrong way. Look at the stock market from 1929-1932.

I just think LBJ would be a perfect fit and we have a system where he could really dominate.

Also he did file for a number change...

I'm just saying... Smile

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All this comparison of cars is moot. Because once you take Lebron out of the Cavs its like taking the enging out of the Ferrari and strippin it of its badge. He is the ferrari. He is the Cavaliers. Mo williams, Shaq, Jamison, those guys havent exactly been playoff heavy weights the last 2 years.

No, it's not moot...it's a metaphor.

And sorry to tell you, they have more talent than we do. Their guys might not have been heavy weights in the last few years but when you compare them to us, they are the Ferrari.

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There is a strong appeal to live in LA and be a part of the glitz and glam that many people who grew up here dont understand. Have you ever been to Cleveland? Boring. At least in comparison to LA its very boring. The amount of capital flowing thru Cleveland vs. LA is ridiculous and Lebron has clearly said money is very important to him.

I haven't been to Cleveland but as an OUTSIDER, I am sure most would find it boring. For a person born and raised there, well, Home is where the heart is...

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I think the Shaq comparison is a great one becausethe Lakers wwere sucking it with no respect and then Shaq teams with a rookie by the name of Kobe Bryant and they go on to dominate and bring back franchise glory.

Uh, going to the Lakers who has arguably the best team history to a team like ours who doesn't have a coach, a brand new GM during mid-season is not the same situation. Maybe the player but not the same situation...in the least.

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Now we dont have franchise glary but what greater legacy than to be the one to bring franchise glory to the lowly Clippers? Shaq couldnt win the big dance until he teamed with Kobe. Lebron and Griffin might be that amazing combo and the more i think about it the more i think it is a very real possibility.

That I agree with you but again, the one person that can make it happen has the last word....not us. We can lead a horse to water but when he has a nice watering hole he has been sitting at most of his career, why would leave it? remember, this is his hometown, the King's hometown. His situation isn't just about leaving a team that drafted him, his situation is about leaving his Hometown fans, his REAL home, a championship contender, and his family. Shaq just left a team he wasn't happy on.

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Yes Joe i know you think there is no way he comes here but honestly outside of your opinion, what do you have to back you up? Your chinese theory? Please, there are plenty of wealthy investors that at the wrong way. Look at the stock market from 1929-1932.

Yes.

  1. Best team in the league

  2. Just got the player of his choosing

  3. No player of his caliber in the history of the league has left his first team to start over. There are very few players of his caliber and none of them left to a losing franchise

  4. There is NOTHING that LA ( city) can offer that LBJ's money can't buy....nothing!

    I found this article from 2008. LBJ was the highest endorsed player in the NBA. Kobe who is the LA's own, was third. Mind you, all Kobe's troubles had past and got back most his old endorsements and got new ones.

The Highest Paid NBA Players off the Court

http://www.wikio.com/article/64053722

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The 50 highest-earning American athletes

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/s ... te50/2009/

So, again, I ask you, what can LA offer him that he doesn't have already...in a small market?

If LBJ has exceeded Kobe who lives in the mecca of entertainment from his small market, why would he change that and fight it out with Kobe here?

Are we talking business ventures? Movie roles? Big market endorsements? Well, LBJ is already there minus the movie roles.

In the business world, you always stick with what's working. He has more to lose coming here and not living up to expectations ( could happen...odds are against him starting over) than to stick with the best team in the NBA.

Besides the "Chinese theory", most of this is common sense...at least for me it is.

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I just think LBJ would be a perfect fit and we have a system where he could really dominate.

Also he did file for a number change...

I'm just saying... Smile

CB, I think he would be perfect here too but that doesn't mean it will happen. I bet his ol' friend Warren Buffet would be against this and who knows, might have a say in this.

The only time a player leaves a situation like his is when you go to the same type of caliber team or retire. Oh, or those that think they are on their last contract and want to make a big buck before they leave...regardless of the status of that team. For those, it's about security than competition. LBJ doesn't fit in that mold.

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"Are we talking business ventures? Movie roles? Big market endorsements? Well, LBJ is already there minus the movie roles."

Look at Tiger Woods (pre sleeze bag status). That is what Lebron could become in a big market. Kobe blew it when the r*** charges were made. Once a black sheep you are never going to get those dollars back. From a basic deal making and investing standpoint he has much more potential in LA than in Cleveland.

Also just compare the Cavs to the clipps position by positon:

C Kaman over Shaq

PF: we dont know what BG brings so Jamison over him

SF: Lebron either way

SG: Eric Gordon far above Anthony Parker and better than Delonte West

PG Baron Davis over Mo WIlliams but not by much sadly to say)

So how does Cleveland have more talent than us? I am confused. And if you want to talk abut benches who knows what vet. min. would sign with us if LBJ came over.

I really hope it works out but i am not betting my life on it or anything.

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Tiger woods doesn't work for or represent a city...he is his own enterprise in a international sport.

CB, are you aware that Kobe has more endorsements now than he had pre-r*** charge? So how can he be a "black sheep" when all indicators say otherwise?

Plus, even if it were true, shouldn't he have the edge based on residing in the mecca of the entertainment world? That doesn't jive.

Fact is, you don't have to live in the big market to get those perks.

Durant?

Shaq?

Those guys have more money coming in outside of the NBA than Kobe does in LA.

See, for me it's not about the location...it's about the product. If you have the Talent & charisma, they come to you. Also, the agent is always the one doing the work, not the player. Which means that the people talk to his agent before they talk to LBJ. Which means LBJ does to have to live in the market, the agent travels or the investor comes to the agent.

In the current technical world we live in, you don't have to be there to close a deal or strike one up.

And finally, LBJ does not have to sell himself to anyone, people are dying to break down his door to sponsor him.

CB, so this isn't about just the Chinese theory, this is about a American Icon that does not have to find something to pitch, by proof off my links, by the examples I gave, is enough to back up my theory.

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^^ Kobe's making less for a reason and Kobe doesnt make near Lebron or Jordan numbers because of what happened to him mainly. He was the league's golden child and combine that with max exposure in LA he had the potential and blew it.

Shaq: Big markets. Orlando, LA, and Miami. Nuff' said. Tiger is on a global market and although Lebron wont play all over the world like that, playing for a Big Market team is worth quite a bit. You pull two lists and think you have given all of this evidence when it doesnt disprove what i am saying. If Lebron wants to move up and up he needs a big market and some rings. he doesnt have the first with Cleveland and probably wont get the second.

In LA with our supporting characters he has a chance to go much bigger. In taking the Tiger argument further, if Lebron wants to be marketed as an international brand and not a city he has a much better shot with the bigger media coverage and population in California. But regardless you will still post links that dont provide any backing for what we are arguing about. I am not arguing he cant be successful in Cleveland but that he would be more successful in LA.

Also in regards to Kobe i fully believe he would be pulling in less in endorsements if he were playing for a smaller market. That is obviously unproven but when you have more potential audience people are willing to pay more. pretty simple.

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I'd love to hear the conversation Olshey has with Lebron's agent.

"We really want Lebron here and as an added bonus, he can choose my replacement... Once he's had me fired, he and the new GM can start interviewing coaches."

That is flat ridiculous.

By the way, that's a great picture up top, but Griffin bangs his head on the board.

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I actually don't think the team is planning to go far enough to get LeBron here. DTS should just sell him the team. That way LeBron can hire himself as coach and GM. We could have a real life Jackie Moon on our hands -- for those of you who have seen Semi-Pro.

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^^ Kobe's making less for a reason and Kobe doesnt make near Lebron or Jordan numbers because of what happened to him mainly. He was the league's golden child and combine that with max exposure in LA he had the potential and blew it.

His numbers today say otherwise...anything else is conjecture without evidence.

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Shaq: Big markets. Orlando, LA, and Miami. Nuff' said. Tiger is on a global market and although Lebron wont play all over the world like that, playing for a Big Market team is worth quite a bit. You pull two lists and think you have given all of this evidence when it doesnt disprove what i am saying. If Lebron wants to move up and up he needs a big market and some rings. he doesnt have the first with Cleveland and probably wont get the second.

"Playing for a big market team is worth quite a bit"

To up and coming players maybe, but for a guy like Lebron who is already on top, it really doesn't matter.

Can you give me some examples ( specific) as to how Lebron can make more money/opportunities here? So far, i have linked you to data as to why I think coming here really doesn't effect LBJ. All you have said are vague things with nothing tangible. Saying it's worth quite a bit is not an answer,example, or specific. It's too general.

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In LA with our supporting characters he has a chance to go much bigger.

You mean bigger than having the best record and ranked as the number one team bigger? See, coming here he has a chance to go much bigger but in Cleveland, he's already there.

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In taking the Tiger argument further, if Lebron wants to be marketed as an international brand and not a city he has a much better shot with the bigger media coverage and population in California. But regardless you will still post links that dont provide any backing for what we are arguing about. I am not arguing he cant be successful in Cleveland but that he would be more successful in LA.

Sorry to tell you but LBJ endorsements do travel around the world. Most endorsements he has through the nba, Nike, and coke, McDonalds are sold around the world. What you also forget, is that the biggest accounts overseas for NBA stars are not foreign, they are domestic that the rest of the world want. So in essence, by default, his domestic endorsements make him a international star.

Plus, if you take into consideration that LBj takes some of his earning and buys into the companies, there is less need for help from outside entities. LeBron is very diversified when it comes to his businesses so his need to of help from a big market becomes less and less critical to his success. You add the fact that he is the top grossing NBA player, well, I don't know how much more a big market can help.

I would surely like for you to give me some insight as to much bigger he can get with specifics.

I can give you proof that he is making more money in a small market, more than big market players, I can give you links as to why the big market theory doesn't jive ( his numbers in endorsements nullifies that) and you tell me I've got nothing? All you have are statements that have could, potential, and words like that. What you haven't explained is the details. I've given you details but I am still waiting on more than just generalities.

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Also in regards to Kobe i fully believe he would be pulling in less in endorsements if he were playing for a smaller market. That is obviously unproven but when you have more potential audience people are willing to pay more. pretty simple.

CB, the Cavs, Celtics, and especially the lakers have more nationally televised games than any other teams? Are you aware that those nationally televised games go world wide?

Of those three teams, which team resides in the small market? Why are they getting big time exposure? Ah, cause Lebron is there and people want to see the King. That there is the main reason why LBJ does not need the big market.

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CB24, answer me this:

What is more important to a player like LBJ for his brand to expand?

Is it winning a ring first? Is it playing in the big market? And if you say it's the ring, where is his best shot at wining one now? Here or Cleveland?

In order for LBJ to solidify his brand, he needs a ring. A championship ring now is worth more than a big market with a questionable team that is floundering in uncertainty.

LBJ isn't stupid. You don't leave a team like that to a team with no coach and a history like ours. That's near suicide.

Had we made a nice run with Griffin, then I would be arguing with myself but since it seems we are in disarray with no end in sight, I find this notion of LBJ coming here nothing more than a pipe dream.

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^^^ I'm with you Joe. I don't see how anyone with any common sense could consider the fact we have no coach and no GM a selling point. It just seems like such a backwards way of doing things.

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^^ time will tell.

One thing is for sure, Cleveland was struggling before LBJ came there and look at them now. He is twice the player he was his first year as well, so i think he could win a ring here a likely as in Cleveland (assuming of course Griffin really pans out).

Its definitely nice to dream, and hey sometimes dreams come true, i just married the woman of my dreams so i am on a pretty good streak for this year:)

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Davis, Blake

Gordon, Butler

James, Outlaw

Griffin, Smith

Kaman, Jordan

who likes that?!

ClipfanSince88
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^^^ Congrats, man. Given that, its understandable why you want to be optimistic. Hopefully, your personal lucky streak can carry over to Clipper Nation.

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Now that is something I can stand behind. You're a lucky man then...

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CB24 Congrats. May you live long and prosper. A bit of wisdom.

If a tree falls in the woods and there isn't a man there to hear it does it still make a noise?

If a man is alone in a forest without his wife there with him is he still wrong?

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I doubt Lebron will come to the west and contend with kobe for the western conference champs. He would prefer to make the finals to have a greater chance. The chances of the clippers landing lebron is less than 1%.

Thats like the Bulls landing the # 1 Pick D.Rose.

It can happen, but chances are, its not. So we should probably look for a SF. Hopefully we can drop in the standings so we can pick up a good SF like Evan Turner! (I will definitely sign up for season tickets if we can land him)

Lebron will leave cleveland this year if they dont win the championship. Whats the point in staying when Shaq is going to retire, or almost done with and you have the same supporting cast that can't get you into the finals.

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^^^ I agree that Lebron will leave if there is no ring this year. It would be very much like a shaq situation. COuldnt get it done in orlando so he moves on and then wins a title.

The comparison would be more relevant as well if Lebron went to the Knicks since they have history and franchise lore.

I still think the Clippers have a shot at him, would be amazing for sure but not betting my life on it.

Interestingly enough in an interview Danny Granger said if he was Lebron he would go to New York because of the ability to expand his personal net worth in one of the media meccas of the world.

I am obviously not the only one that sees the relationship between a major market and making more money.

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