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ekker3
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instead of "where is LBJ gonna sign this offseason" and "if the cavs dont win a ring this year, LBJ is leaving", why isnt the media talking about "LBJ is great, but his team's arent fit for rings"?

LOL @ CAVS!

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Yeah, lol@Cavs! Good thing we are Clipper fans instead of Cavs fans or else we would look stupid right now.

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For the record, that was sarcasm. I know a lot of you catch that.

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for the record, clipper fans >>> cavs fans.

there's no exception to this rule. ever.

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meh, cavs are like us. no championships, nothing. until this one guy called lebron was drafted and took them to great heights. i just feel bad for him and the fans that the rest of the team can't deliver. i'd take cavs fans over lakers or celtics fans.

maybe this one guy called blake that we drafted can do the same thing?

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Maybe this one guy called Blake can actually lead us to a championship, unlike what this lbj fellow seems to not be able to do.

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Haha yea that's what i meant... but I'd have to argue that on paper the Cavs are a horrible team. Strip out lebron and compare that roster to ours and it's not hard to tell which team is better. Honestly, I feel bad for lebron. When he has an off day, the entire team is crushed, whereas when p.pierce has an off day (actually off series), he still has rondo, allen, garnett, etc. to carry the team.

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Lol after watching last nights game, and heard the rumors of tempers getting heated up in the locker room last night, for once in the last 6 months, it seems like lbj will leave. A second round knockout? Fr the team with the best record? He gone, unless they make it to that finals, that is.

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MuteHaitian wrote:
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Maybe this one guy called Blake can actually lead us to a championship, unlike what this lbj fellow seems to not be able to do.

Haha yea that's what i meant... but I'd have to argue that on paper the Cavs are a horrible team.

Totally agree. Honestly I think if you swap Kobe for LeBron, the Cavs get somewhere around 45 wins a year. And guys, if you think that Blake Griffin is going to be better than LeBron James, I don't even know what to say anymore, that is absolutely ridiculous

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Definitely agree. Cavs fans a are very similar to Clipps fans and Ekker just has a huge chip on his shoulder against Lebron.

Did Lebron turn down your autograph request at a clippers game or something like that Ekker?

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^^^ Honestly, I knew that I would log on this morning and find an anti-LeBron thread. And I had a pretty good idea who the thread starter would be.

I'm a LeBron fan and I am disappointed in how he didn't really show up last night. I expected the same kind of performance he gave in game 3. I also think his post-game comments were a little questionable. But to be fair to him, the Cavs just aren't that good. When your second best player is Mo Williams, that doesn't say much for the talent level of the team. LeBron's good enough to get them to be an elite team through the regular season, but the playoffs are different beast entirely. I think Boston is just the better team.

If LeBron signed here, just by virtue of playing with Griffin, he'd be running with someone better than anyone he's ever had in Cleveland -- and I'm saying that before Blake has played a single regular season game.

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clipperboy24 wrote:
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meh, cavs are like us. no championships, nothing. until this one guy called lebron was drafted and took them to great heights. i just feel bad for him and the fans that the rest of the team can't deliver. i'd take cavs fans over lakers or celtics fans.

maybe this one guy called blake that we drafted can do the same thing?

Definitely agree. Cavs fans a are very similar to Clipps fans and Ekker just has a huge chip on his shoulder against Lebron.

Did Lebron turn down your autograph request at a clippers game or something like that Ekker?

no, but seriously. there's no disputing that LeChoke is one of the best at what he does. BUT is he the type of player that's gonna help teams win rings or just the type that's gonna accumulate a record amount of individual accolades and massive endorsement deals. if allen iverson were fortunate enough to have lebron's size, they'd be equals in talent and accomplishments.

i found it hilarious to hear the comments from coaches and players after the game. "we were able to stop LeChoke and the game was won". "LeChoke just had a bad game. there's nothing else to it. we'll be ready game 6."

its unbelievably cringe-worthy to hear. id rather build a cohesive, talented team than buy a specimen that's gonna steal the heart and soul of clippernation. kinda like how walmarts destroyed the hearts of mom and pop shops. Very Happy

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^^^ explain to me why having LeBron and being a cohesive, talented team have to be mutually exclusive. Just because they haven't done it yet in Cleveland doesn't mean it can't be done. And, also, its a bit inaccurate to suggest that LeBron's just been piling up meaningless, individual numbers and not winning. For the last few years, his team has always been one of the best in the league. The 2007 Cavs were probably the least talented team I've ever seen get to the finals, so the fact they were there at all is a miracle. The bottom line is that LeBron's been helping his team win. He shouldn't be penalized or denigrated because they just aren't good enough to win it all. The Cavs in the LeBron era have done alot more than any Clipper team ever has.

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definitely agree and i would be open to all of that.

No matter who comes here, if we become a winning franchise we will get bandwagon fans and that is something that i am more than willing to deal with:)

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i dont care what u guys think, but the cavs are not a bad team.

jameson o'neil james parker williams,... they have a top 5 roster in the nba.

the reason they cant win in the playoffs is their non-existant head coach. probably the worst head coach in the nba. i dont know how he ever got hired but the guy is a joke. doesnt know how to motivate his players or make crucial adjustments. he is the reason lebron will leave cleveland

and hopefully he will come to the clippers with a new hc that isnt a retard

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^^^ I didn't say they are a bad team, they're just not as good as some of the other teams that are left. And, those names you mentioned are not too impressive to me. Shaq is years past his prime. Antawn Jamison is good, but not great. I put him the Maggette category. He consistently puts up numbers, but doesn't have a real impact on the game. Mo Williams is a decent scorer for his size, but pretty limited in a lot of other ways. And Anthony Parker is nothing more than a very average NBA player. If they didn't have LeBron, there is no way you would say they had a great roster.

If the Clippers had LeBron, they're roster would, in my opinion, be better than the Cavs'. LeBron, Griffin, Gordon, Kaman, Davis >>>> LeBron, Williams, Parker, Jamison, Shaq.

Oh, and I agree with you that Mike Brown is not much of a coach.

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All I gotta say is.........I can't wait for July 1. Just thinking about LeBron even giving the Clippers a look along with other teams like the Knicks, Bulls, Heat, and Nets is getting me really excited.

PG-Baron Davis

SG-Eric Gordon

SF-LeBron James

PF-Blake Griffin

C-Chris Kaman

That lineup easily dwarfs LeBron's current lineup with the Cavs. If LeBron really wants some help, I don't think there is any other team out there with cap space that can put that amount of talent around LeBron. Maybe the Bulls, with Rose, but I just don't think LeBron wants to play under MJ's shadows. He'll be always compared to MJ if he decides to go there. I don't think he'd want to go share the spotlight with Wade. The Knicks maybe, since they can offer another max contract, but after that, what can they offer around them.

With the Clippers, he has a chance to cement his legacy in taking "The worst franchise in all of sports" to a championship. I can tell you this right now. If LeBron can give us at least 1 championship, this would equal about 5 or 6 championships with any other franchise. That is how pathetic our franchise has been throughout its existence.

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With the lack of Clipper news around here I think you've all gone mad for bashing Lebron. The guy has been carrying this team since he was drafted and it's no surprise his team doesn't last through the post season when you surround him with known playoff choke Mo Williams, 38 year old Shaq and 34 year old Jamison. I would leave if I was Lebron because Danny Ferry has basically given Lebron a big f*** you with the talent he's surrounded him with. Unlike Kobe who makes like 25 mill a year, Lebron hasn't been dominating the cap so Ferry has zero excuse.

It's proven throughout history that nobody can win titles alone. The greats like Wilt have come close to doing it but if you think about it every title winner has a solid bench or a nice second scorer, or both. Lebron is unquestionably the MVP of this league but he needs to go to the Bulls or Clippers where he will actually be surrounded with legit, young talent.

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You know i'm not too sure about that. Lebron would not be in Jordan's shadow. Think about the greats who had the pressure of playing for the Lakers or Celtics when they had legends who played before them? It didn't stop them from shining. If you're great no matter where you go, you will be great. I think Lebron is weary of the Bulls and Clippers though because both have very shady front offices. Donald Sterling is the worst in the league and the Bulls Handled Del Negro extremely poorly after rumors of fist fights between management etc and neither of those teams have a coach.

Regardless If i'm Lebron I give the Bulls a chance. Mainly because Derrick Rose is a superstar player (more so than Eric Gordon for sure) and Joaquin Noah is going to be an all star. That guy freaking hustles, plays D and crashes the boards like a monster. Blake is unproven so any non Clipper would have their doubts about his future potential etc.

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yall make some pretty good points.

the cavs coach sucks. i think any any coach with lebron will have a decent winning record.

a good coach with lebron would have a better record

the cavs squad isnt too bad. their not great but their not bad. shaqs pass his prime but is a good backup, jamison is like a maggetti great off the bench, mo williams is limited and is alright. parker avg. just a lot of avg players.

the clippers have a better squad to surround lbj with. as much as i would love him on our team. i dont want to put all my eggs in one basket.

NY has money. a lot of money. they can afford wade,lbj, and bosh mabe? those three on the same squad is scary. i just want to see griffin play and develop. i hate waiting

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i think the "its the coach's fault" is a common excuse. anyone who throws that one out MUST come up with what coach would make a good fit and why. otherwise its an easy scapegoat, a la mike dunleavy.

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i dont mind the bandwagoners, that's inevitable.

i do mind having a player who plans to be bigger than the franchise itself. that's not my style.

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whenever you get a mega-super-duper star you sacrifice team ball. lebron, just like kobe and jordan, are gonna get tons of attempts. (and kobe and jordan were 10x the shooters that lechoke is/plans to be.) a go-to player NEEDS to have a consistent jumpshot if he wants to lead a team to greatness.

btw, the 2007 cavs got to the conference finals in the weak east. so no, its not a miracle.

another huge difference is that kobe and more specifically jordan, had that basketball runs through my blood killer instinct. never did they say they wanted to be the first billionaire basketball player. there's a lot of people that think lebron doesnt bother much with legacy.

and then there's this...which ill always hold against him:

it tells a lot about where his head is, his professionalism, and respect for the game.

(chris ballard does an excellent job talking about this focus in the first chapter of "the art of a beautiful game")

there was also a good point made today on the airwaves that whenever Lebron's cavs teams are doing well, everyone points at their so-called chemistry and relaxed, jovial attitude. but when they're faced with adversity, they bow out quick.

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Ekker you've been talking trash on Lebron for as long as I can remember. Like many of us have told you, don't let your opinions of Lebron personally turn you into a biased, absurd basketball fan. You can call Lebron cocky, a***** or w/e you feel is accurate but to call his game into question is stupid.

Lebron has plenty of killer instinct. What he lacks is a supporting cast and don't throw Jamison and Mo Williams out there please! Mo has a terrible record,shooting percentage in the playoffs over his career and Jamison is about to turn 35! Not to mention Shaq is going to turn 39 in a couple weeks. Go check Lebron's career playoff averages before you start throwing the word choke around. He averaged damn near a triple double vs the Magic in that playoff series last year and averaged over 35 points per game! Kobe has a future Hall of famer in Gasol who's still 29 years old, a shut down defender in Artest, a good Center in Bynum and Odom who though inconsistent can do some major damage. Jordan never won a championship without Pippen and Rodman sure as hell helped alot for a couple of them. I mean Lebron is doing all he can.

Lebron is far from a problem like you portray him to be often. You're perceptions of him are clouded. He just won the biggest landslide vote MVP in league history dude. That's a big deal. It means there are only a few of you left who are in denial bout the dudes greatness. I've been spending alot of time on Lakerstopbuzz and even most of them agree Lebron is the best period. You mention his jumpshot but has it occured to you that since he's been in the league people trash talked his D, now he's always in the running for Defensive player of the year. Then people bagged on his jumpshot, now his shooting percentages from everywhere have shot up. He is shooting outside more AND shooting a higher percentage from mid range and beyond the arc. Lebron finally has a great defensive and outside game, so people can stop talking about that.

What those who point this out fail to realize is Jordan played in the post 90 percent of time yet is considered the greatest. Jordan was never a great outside shooter. Most of his scoring was done attacking the rim or within 15 feet, so why do we judge other players differently?

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cavs051210

i honestly think that article sums it up really well about lebron..

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first off, there's NO DOUBT LeChoke is an incredible basketball player.

LeChoke's supporting cast wouldnt be doubted if they didnt get blown out by the celtics in one series. no one was complaining about them during the regular season - jamison, shaq, mo williams, anderson "clean up the paint varejao". they're all potential all-stars. people were praising their "chemistry" saying they're unbeatable. then came the playoffs and adversity. you're doing a number bashing them, yet are praising the lakers' wishy washy roster - a team with HORRIBLE bench depth. (i hope you're not being biased)

and let's say LeChoke joins the clippers. what's to say A.) our current roster is a "good enough supporting cast" to pick up the slack if LeChoke cant (look at our players with winning experience and record the past couple years), or B.)we'd be able to resign all that young talent when their contracts expire, considering LeChoke's cap killing salary.

name me a top 10 HOF player who lost by some 20-30 points in one playoff series. LeChoke lacks focus and killer instinct. his stats and mega-star mean nothing if he cant rally the troops and salvage dignity.

people have always dogged on LeChoke's jumpshot. and it still blows. his defense has always been above average.

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I do agree with you guys though that he doesn't seem to put basketball first and focus on the game. On the court he's unselfish but off the court he's selfish no doubt. I mean the guy seems so caught up in business,endorsements and all that mess that his heart isn't in the right place.

Ekker I never was high on his supporting cast. At 38 years old Shaq gives you 1 great game for every 10 maybe. Jamison was acquired mid season and again is 34 years old and way past his prime. Mo Williams IS a great regular season player so of course people praise his good play. Come playoff time though he's always choking and not stepping up. I can't remember the last time he played right in the playoffs. This was the same guy who guaranteed a series win vs Orlando last year then came out and scored like 7 points on 20 percent shooting.

No doubt Lebron had the worst playoff game of his career, in arguably the most important playoff game of his career but nonetheless, he's a proven playoff performer and you know it Ekker. Look at his career playoff averages. His 29 of 30 points en route to a miraculous comeback vs Detroit. His HUGE first quarter vs the Bulls. His many big 4th quarters to take command of a game in the playoffs. I mean this guy does have a killer instinct. He just isn't focused and isn't getting much help.

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^^^ I'm sorry, in today's NBA its a pipe dream to think you can have a team with 5 guys contributing equally. Its a superstar driven league. And, in most cases, teams need at least two stars to really be championship contenders. The only exception in recent memory is the '04 Pistons and I don't think its any coincidence they only won one championship and then started getting beaten by teams with superstars, i.e. Cleveland.

And the distinctions you draw between Kobe, Jordan and LeBron really don't hold water. Its undisputed that Kobe has the "killer instinct," yet that hasn't prevented him from turning in plenty of clunker playoff performances. I'm sure you remember a few years ago when he pretty much disappeared in a game 7 against Phoenix. He didn't do too much when the Lakers got destroyed in game 6 of the finals by the Celtics two years ago. Jordan also had lots of playoff flameouts before he got the right mix of players around him. So, again, the fact LeBron's Cavs are losing to the Celtics doesn't make him a choker. It just means the Celtics are a better, more talented team.

And we'll just have to disagree about that Cavs teams that went to the finals. Yes, the East was weak, but it still included a Pistons team that was only a couple years removed from a championship, which had pretty much the same roster. To me, the fact that LeBron and a bunch of journeymen and has beens managed to beet them is pretty miraculous.

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Yea the Celtics are extremely dangerous. When they play right the Cavs,Magic,Lakers and Celtics can all win the title. When you have bench players like Glen Davis outscoring your entire team in the 4th you're pretty much screwed anyways. If Shaq didn't score like 23 or 24 points (mostly in the second half) Cleveland would of lost by 45-50 probably. Remember though Cleveland also beat Boston by 29 at the Garden so it goes to show any of these teams are dangerous.

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Btw Ekker I was wrong when I said he averaged 35 ppg vs the Magic last year in the playoffs. It was actually 38 ppg. The guy is a beast.

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38ppg is impressive, but is also 40-50% of a team's scoring output. that in itself is dangerous.

clippers is plural for a reason.

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^^^ Right, because its definitely better to have five guys carry a team into the lottery than to have one guy carry a team deep into the playoffs.

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^^ i dont think any of would complain if Blake Griffin turned nto a beast and we made the playoffs and he averaged 38ppg. We would actually be elated. I feel like the fleecing of Lebron is just so overstated it has completely clouded your basketball comparative vision.

Either way I do agree that if Lebron comes here and tries to just make it about him and not winning for the franchise and turns the place amuck that would be very frustrating but if i could look into the rafters and see a championship banner, I am pretty sure that would mae me feel good pretty quickly.

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HAHA... So true. No but seriously who gives a **** if it's 1 guy or 5 guys? Jordan scored 30 percent of his teams points, but I don't think that made the Bulls weak in any way. Alot of great teams were anchored by a great franchise player. One of the Clippers main problems these last few years is no go to scorer we can depend on. When Cassell and Brand left we lost a go to guy. For us these last couple years it can be anyone from Gordon to Craig Smith leading in scoring. We all know we need that one dependable offensive star. Like Clipfan said it's better to have 1 guy carry you deep into the playoffs than have a loaded team that can't even win 30 games.

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Ekker probably wasn't complaining when Brand averaged 33 ppg for the playoffs in our 06 run ;p. That's not a bad thing if someone is averaging 30 plus ppg as long as the team is winning. Not like Lebron is a ballhog and not sharing. If his teammates would hit a damn shot in the playoffs he wouldn't have to score so much.

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what ekker is saying, at least this is how i see it, is that it is better to have multiple guys scoring the points because the balance provides more consistency. That is why it is so dangerous when lebron is actually scoring 30-40 percent of the teams points. Because of that percentage, if lebron has an off game like last game, the team will lose by 30.

Dont get me wrong, lebron coming here would be ridiculous and we would have prlly the second biggest start in the league right behind kobe, but in my opinion, even if we get lebron, we would not be a strong playoff team. Maybe 6 seed....and prlly out in the first round because we would have NO bench with the signing of lebron or any MAX player this offseason. The main thing we need is to find a strong player either through trade or FA that doesnt demand the ball 24/7 to be effective. With what we have right now, we have a pretty strong core, we just need to get a couple more guys who are starter quality to fill out the starting lineup and sixth man and then we need role players. Guys who know their role and wat they have to give to the team. Not just any crappy d-leaguer that is young and wants a job.

personally because we dont have a full team, and our core hasnt made playoffs there is no way guys like Lebron, JJ, and Bosh will not sign with us because they are all looking to get a championship now, not build or just make it to the playoffs. Lebron and bosh have tons of pressure from their peers to start getting championships NOW and JJ is getting old. I really think we should start looking into players that can help now but wont be too expensive like josh howard and even as a sixth man travis outlaw.

Lebron is a beast but the style of play he is accustomed to hasnt made him a winner yet. I think no matter where he goes he is going to go, he is going to want to know he can win a championship with that team right away, not in a year or so.

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Totally agree. I don't think the Cavs current situation is Lebron's fault. It is just good defense from Boston. The same happened to Kobe in the couple games that OKC won in the first round. Even Superstars can have bad games and bad series.

Right now I'm hoping for a Celtics/ Lakers finals with the Celtics winning another championship. We then have a greater chance(yet still small) at Lebron and the Lakers fans don't get to be even more arrogant by winning another championship.

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I, for one, would welcome LeChoke to the team.

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i just dont like LeButt, never have, never will. that's why i dont want him on the team that defines my existence.

that's pretty much it.

it is written.

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^^ i dont think any of would complain if Blake Griffin turned nto a beast and we made the playoffs and he averaged 38ppg. We would actually be elated. I feel like the fleecing of Lebron is just so overstated it has completely clouded your basketball comparative vision.

Either way I do agree that if Lebron comes here and tries to just make it about him and not winning for the franchise and turns the place amuck that would be very frustrating but if i could look into the rafters and see a championship banner, I am pretty sure that would mae me feel good pretty quickly.

Ekker probably wasn't complaining when Brand averaged 33 ppg for the playoffs in our 06 run ;p. That's not a bad thing if someone is averaging 30 plus ppg as long as the team is winning. Not like Lebron is a ballhog and not sharing. If his teammates would hit a damn shot in the playoffs he wouldn't have to score so much.

yo, i never said averaging that much was a bad thing, just that its dangerous. besides averaging 33 and 38 points is a big difference.

brand was the consumate professional, not a clown. and i respected him for that.

and yes, we had capable scorers surrounding brand (making his job easier) since he didnt eat into 75% of our capspace like LeClown.

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that's where we differ. you seem to be fine with ugly one-man basketball as long as it brings a championship (what's the joy/respect in that?).

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I'd still welcome LeButt and whatever permutation of moniker you can come up with.

But I understand what your saying, Ekker. Watching Lebron dominate the ball while the other four players stand around wouldn't make for pretty basketball. I don't side with your opinion but I can respect it.

Doesn't matter anyway since the only James willing to come to this team is probably Jerome.

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Either way I do agree that if Lebron comes here and tries to just make it about him and not winning for the franchise and turns the place amuck that would be very frustrating but if i could look into the rafters and see a championship banner, I am pretty sure that would mae me feel good pretty quickly.

that's where we differ. you seem to be fine with ugly one-man basketball as long as it brings a championship (what's the joy/respect in that?).

No, thats not what i am saying. The on court with Lebron is good. He distributes the ball and plays hard and its not ugly one man basketball, imo. I think honestly a lot of his teammates havent stepped up the way they should have. It honestly reminds a me a lot of Kobe after Shaq left. He just need another legit star not a whole bunch of second tier players but Pau Gasol to put him over the edge.

Once Lebron gets a legit star to play with i think you will be singing a different tune. Lebron has never really had anyone to lad hi the way Kobe had shaq and Jordan was much older coming into the league and started maturing more aroun Lebron's age now.

So the way i see it, if Blake Griffin is legit like we hope than regardless of wo we pick up in the draft signing with us will be great for the Clipps and for Lebron and having EG, Baron and Kaman doesnt hurt either:)

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^^^ The fact that Cleveland's offense looks ugly at times cannot be pinned entirely on LeBron. As Hubie Brown was pointing out on the Jim Rome show, its completely unimaginative and lacks much player movement (kind of like our offense). They just do a bunch of pick and rolls that play right in the Celtics' quality help defense. Michael Jordan and Kobe had the benefit of playing in the triangle, where the ball and players necessarily move. Those guys dominate the ball just as much, or more, as LeBron does, but it seems to lead to less stagnation because they played/play in a more effective offensive system.

On a broader note, the thing that gets me about the criticisms of LeBron on this board are that they are coming from Clipper fans. We had no mega-stars on the team, yet the offense looked completely awful at times -- far worse than what Cleveland does on any given night. I just don't get how fans of a team that has lost as much as we have can be so critical of a guy who has won and won consistently in his relatively short career.

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That team has enough players and should be able to win when Lebron has a bad day... The Lakers are still capable of winning when Kobe is off... To me, that points to coaching.

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MIKE BROWN = MIKE DUNLEAVY EAST.

It really is that simple.

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I haven't read all of the posts yet but what struck a chord with me was that he is leaving if they don't win a championship. Lebron AIN'T going nowhere without giving his HOMETOWN a ring first. If he ever did that, he could not show his face there again....ever.

I still think he will stay put but get some help with Shaq's money off the books. Bosh...anyone?

Lebron had a bad game but i still think they can still pull it out. The bad side of having Bron on the team is that if Lebron isn't his "same ol' same ol'", his teammates don't know how to function without him. I really don't blame the other guys, I blame the coach for running anything and everything through LBJ. You live by the King, you die by the King.

Clippersfan86
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Sam I don't think the team has enough players to win when Lebron struggles. Jamison is 34 years old and well past his prime. Shaq is 39 in a couple weeks and way past his prime. Mo Williams has proven time and time again to be a regular season player, post season choke. Reality is even on 82 games chart of most efficient Cavs lineups you'll notice they never win without Lebron.

I do agree though that the Cleveland offense and coaching is very poor and inefficient. Of course they should run the offense through Lebron but they can't have other plays standing around.

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^^^ Yeah, I don't know that they're a great team without him playing well, but they should be able to pick it up and help him once in awhile... To lose by 32 is a brutal indictment of that team... Is Jamison really that old... Hold on.... Going to check... Okay. I checked. Thanks for waiting... You're right, he'll be 34 next month...

Not a fan of their coach... Atlanta's guy also sucks...

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I agree they aren't so talent deprived that they can't compete without Lebron. In comparison to the other elites of Orlando,LA and Boston their talent is very thin though. They remind me of LA in the sense that when their bench steps up they look like the deepest team in the league but when they don't it looks like the depend VERY heavily on the starting 5. Where as Orlando and Boston have a ton of depth and different guys who step up all the time.

Maybe we will get our Lebron wish. I think Lebron said he won't play for Sterling though ; (.

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