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Post ID: 97027by GRIFFIN32 » May 27, 2010 - 11:49 PM PST
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Also A interview with Clipper and Michael Thompson he was kinda being a jerk http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5227313



                
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Post ID: 97039by ClipfanSince88 » May 28, 2010 - 06:00 AM PST
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Don't bother, bro. LeBron could singlehandedly rescue some special needs children and a litter of kittens from a burning building and some people on this board wold crticize him for pulling a selfish, "look at me" stunt.

                
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Post ID: 97042by clipperboy24 » May 28, 2010 - 09:53 AM PST
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It was not too bad... I wasnt expecting a mass anyways. And if you think LeBron is a one man show you dont watch his game. The man is a producer, not individually.

Don't bother, bro. LeBron could singlehandedly rescue some special needs children and a litter of kittens from a burning building and some people on this board wold crticize him for pulling a selfish, "look at me" stunt.

probably true.

I actually worked at a sports agency and i will say most of these players cant really handle themselves. I dont even mean staying out of trouble, but simple things like signing up for a cell phone contract and paying bills on time and booking a flight or anything really. So from seeing it on the inside i actually saw how the players are very much a product of their environment and what their agent feeds them. Not sayin players arent responsible at all, because they are 100% responsible for their actions but the agents feed them a lot of crap all the time. Thats exactly what happened with Brand.

I think a change of scenery is the best thing possible for lebron. Then he can be his own man and isnt indebted to his hometown.

                
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Post ID: 97054by ekker3 » May 28, 2010 - 12:28 PM PST
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ClipfanSince88 wrote:
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It was not too bad... I wasnt expecting a mass anyways. And if you think LeBron is a one man show you dont watch his game. The man is a producer, not individually.

Don't bother, bro. LeBron could singlehandedly rescue some special needs children and a litter of kittens from a burning building and some people on this board wold crticize him for pulling a selfish, "look at me" stunt.

lebron is not god.

                
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Post ID: 97059by mj_shoefanatic » May 28, 2010 - 02:01 PM PST
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Thompson would not have been S#%+ w/o Magic, Worthy & Kareem.

                
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Post ID: 97061by ClipfanSince88 » May 28, 2010 - 02:24 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
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It was not too bad... I wasnt expecting a mass anyways. And if you think LeBron is a one man show you dont watch his game. The man is a producer, not individually.

Don't bother, bro. LeBron could singlehandedly rescue some special needs children and a litter of kittens from a burning building and some people on this board wold crticize him for pulling a selfish, "look at me" stunt.

lebron is not god.

Who said he was?

                
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Post ID: 97074by ekker3 » May 28, 2010 - 04:48 PM PST
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kevin arnovitz sums up my feelings nicely in a question he posed to clipper fans:

"If LeBron does come to the Clippers, won't there be just a little teeny thing that's lost about being a Clipper fan?"

seriously. i doubt half of you became clipper fans by looking at the team because they were winning at the time (unless you bandwagoned after 2005). you could've easily chosen to be a laker fan but you chose red,white, and blue for a reason.

if it happens, we're gonna be everything you hate about laker fans.

                
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Post ID: 97079by MuteHaitian » May 28, 2010 - 05:26 PM PST
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ok what's your plan then? do the same thing we've been doing the past 25 years? i'm not a bandwagoner, but I sure didn't sign up to see the clippers in the lottery every single year of my entire life. i support the team during hardships and low points hoping that they will become a contender in the near future. whatever pushes us to this goal i will be happy with. i could care less if we win with a superstar or without a superstar like the pistons did.

                
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Post ID: 97081by ekker3 » May 28, 2010 - 05:39 PM PST
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MuteHaitian wrote:
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kevin arnovitz sums up my feelings nicely in a question he posed to clipper fans:

"If LeBron does come to the Clippers, won't there be just a little teeny thing that's lost about being a Clipper fan?"

seriously. i doubt half of you became clipper fans by looking at the team because they were winning at the time (unless you bandwagoned after 2005). you could've easily chosen to be a laker fan but you chose red,white, and blue for a reason.

if it happens, we're gonna be everything you hate about laker fans.

ok what's your plan then? do the same thing we've been doing the past 25 years? i'm not a bandwagoner, but I sure didn't sign up to see the clippers in the lottery every single year of my entire life. i support the team during hardships and low points hoping that they will become a contender in the near future. whatever pushes us to this goal i will be happy with. i could care less if we win with a superstar or without a superstar like the pistons did.

belieeeeve me, you can win championships without LeBron James. hell, he doesnt even know what that feels like (or what it feels like to win a game in the finals).

                
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Post ID: 97083by MuteHaitian » May 28, 2010 - 05:49 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
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ekker3 wrote:
kevin arnovitz sums up my feelings nicely in a question he posed to clipper fans:

"If LeBron does come to the Clippers, won't there be just a little teeny thing that's lost about being a Clipper fan?"

seriously. i doubt half of you became clipper fans by looking at the team because they were winning at the time (unless you bandwagoned after 2005). you could've easily chosen to be a laker fan but you chose red,white, and blue for a reason.

if it happens, we're gonna be everything you hate about laker fans.

ok what's your plan then? do the same thing we've been doing the past 25 years? i'm not a bandwagoner, but I sure didn't sign up to see the clippers in the lottery every single year of my entire life. i support the team during hardships and low points hoping that they will become a contender in the near future. whatever pushes us to this goal i will be happy with. i could care less if we win with a superstar or without a superstar like the pistons did.

belieeeeve me, you can win championships without LeBron James. hell, he doesnt even know what that feels like (or what it feels like to win a game in the finals).

sure, i believe you. but is it easier to win a championship with a superstar or without one? how many times has a team without a superstar won a championship?

                
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Post ID: 97084by Grillinnap » May 28, 2010 - 05:53 PM PST
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MuteHaitian wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
MuteHaitian wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
kevin arnovitz sums up my feelings nicely in a question he posed to clipper fans:

"If LeBron does come to the Clippers, won't there be just a little teeny thing that's lost about being a Clipper fan?"

seriously. i doubt half of you became clipper fans by looking at the team because they were winning at the time (unless you bandwagoned after 2005). you could've easily chosen to be a laker fan but you chose red,white, and blue for a reason.

if it happens, we're gonna be everything you hate about laker fans.

ok what's your plan then? do the same thing we've been doing the past 25 years? i'm not a bandwagoner, but I sure didn't sign up to see the clippers in the lottery every single year of my entire life. i support the team during hardships and low points hoping that they will become a contender in the near future. whatever pushes us to this goal i will be happy with. i could care less if we win with a superstar or without a superstar like the pistons did.

belieeeeve me, you can win championships without LeBron James. hell, he doesnt even know what that feels like (or what it feels like to win a game in the finals).

sure, i believe you. but is it easier to win a championship with a superstar or without one? how many times has a team without a superstar won a championship?

This is the NBA. We're talking about the most predictable playoffs in sports, where the term "Cinderella Story" rarely exists. So most likely, you need a superstar.

                
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Post ID: 97089by clipperboy24 » May 28, 2010 - 06:08 PM PST
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^^^ almost always need a superstar. The only reason i say almost is because the Pistons won and probably another team like them a few decades ago.

Outside of the very rare occurrence a superstar is a must.

                
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Post ID: 97090by MuteHaitian » May 28, 2010 - 06:11 PM PST
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my point exactly.

                
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Post ID: 97095by ClipfanSince88 » May 28, 2010 - 06:31 PM PST
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The 2004 Pistons are the only exception to the "you need a superstar to win it all" rule that I can think of since the 80s. There was more parity in the 70s, as a bunch of teams won the title and I don't think any team went back-to-back. Some of those 70s champions lacked what we would call a superstar by today's standards. But once the Magic and Bird era hit, no team won that didn't have one of the best players in the league (plus a couple of additional all-stars for good measure). The Lakers, Celtics and Sixers teams that won in the 80s were all stacked with talent. I guess you could also argue that the late 80s Pistons didn't have a superstar, but its debatable. Some people would put Isiah Thomas in the superstar category, but he's definitely on a different tier than Magic and Bird, at least IMO.

                
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Post ID: 97098by clipperstown » May 28, 2010 - 06:44 PM PST
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i know exactly what ekker means. if we get lebron, the bandwagon retards will hop aboard. if we don't get him, we will be known as " the franchise who denied LeBron". so, im really lost here. this ENTIRE summer is a lose-lose for us real clipper fans. lebron comes here, he brings the bandwagoners. he doesn't come here, we continue losing. =/

                
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Post ID: 97099by Clipsfan21 » May 28, 2010 - 06:54 PM PST
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lol clipperstown we would never be the franchise who denied Lebron. If Lebron chooses to come here the Clippers will 99.9% not deny him but rather welcome him in with open arms. If anything Lebron is going to deny the Clippers.

                
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Post ID: 97101by ClipfanSince88 » May 28, 2010 - 07:08 PM PST
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^^^ Seriously -- if LeBron wanted to come here and we said, "um, no thanks," we would not be known as the "franchise who denied LeBron," we would be known simply as the dumbest franchise in sports. You can debate whether it would be fair or not, but that would be the label.

                
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Post ID: 97102by ekker3 » May 28, 2010 - 07:09 PM PST
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superstars are fine, id LOVE to have durant, deron williams, CP3, etc on our team. they're much more level-headed than LeChoke.

                
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Post ID: 97104by ekker3 » May 28, 2010 - 07:13 PM PST
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lol, even i would think that would be the dumbest move in sports history. lol

but it would show we have cojones!

                
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Post ID: 97111by illastrate » May 28, 2010 - 07:48 PM PST
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No surprise, Thompson is one of the biggest Laker homers on the planet. I wanna bash my head in when I listen to his myopic commentary.

                
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Post ID: 97114by journeyman » May 28, 2010 - 07:51 PM PST
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^^^Agreed. Thompson is a myopic twit.

                
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Post ID: 97115by clipperstown » May 28, 2010 - 07:54 PM PST
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well, obviously. but im talking about some fans that don't want him, and I was referring to if we don't make a move for lebron.

                
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Post ID: 97116by clipperstown » May 28, 2010 - 07:56 PM PST
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we already are like top 2 in worst franchise in sports, so if this were to happen not much would change.....

                
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Post ID: 97148by SDclipper » May 29, 2010 - 03:52 AM PST
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Not really a fan of this post. It's a lose-lose for real Clipper fans either way? If we get LBJ or another free agent stud this summer is an epic win for this franchise. And this also implies that real Clippers fans would rather lose than sell out, so to speak. That's insane. You people need to stop giving a **** about potential bandwagon fans and realize how nice it might be to be playing important games in March and God forbid, April and May. Say we get LeBron, you think next April if we're headed to the playoffs you'll be like man this is weak, I give up, go T-Wolves? Doubt it. Bring on LBJ, bring on talent, and get this team headed in the right direction. Unless that doesn't make me a real Clipper fan.

                
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Post ID: 97169by Derty_Bert » May 29, 2010 - 04:59 PM PST
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ClipfanSince88 wrote:
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^^^ almost always need a superstar. The only reason i say almost is because the Pistons won and probably another team like them a few decades ago.

Outside of the very rare occurrence a superstar is a must.

The 2004 Pistons are the only exception to the "you need a superstar to win it all" rule that I can think of since the 80s. There was more parity in the 70s, as a bunch of teams won the title and I don't think any team went back-to-back. Some of those 70s champions lacked what we would call a superstar by today's standards. But once the Magic and Bird era hit, no team won that didn't have one of the best players in the league (plus a couple of additional all-stars for good measure). The Lakers, Celtics and Sixers teams that won in the 80s were all stacked with talent. I guess you could also argue that the late 80s Pistons didn't have a superstar, but its debatable. Some people would put Isiah Thomas in the superstar category, but he's definitely on a different tier than Magic and Bird, at least IMO.

The Spurs.

                
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Post ID: 97187by ClipfanSince88 » May 29, 2010 - 11:21 PM PST
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^^^ almost always need a superstar. The only reason i say almost is because the Pistons won and probably another team like them a few decades ago.

Outside of the very rare occurrence a superstar is a must.

The 2004 Pistons are the only exception to the "you need a superstar to win it all" rule that I can think of since the 80s. There was more parity in the 70s, as a bunch of teams won the title and I don't think any team went back-to-back. Some of those 70s champions lacked what we would call a superstar by today's standards. But once the Magic and Bird era hit, no team won that didn't have one of the best players in the league (plus a couple of additional all-stars for good measure). The Lakers, Celtics and Sixers teams that won in the 80s were all stacked with talent. I guess you could also argue that the late 80s Pistons didn't have a superstar, but its debatable. Some people would put Isiah Thomas in the superstar category, but he's definitely on a different tier than Magic and Bird, at least IMO.

The Spurs.

Um, Tim Duncan is arguably the best power forward of all time. How is he not superstar? He may not be flashy, but he's definitely a superstar.

                
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Post ID: 97188by clipperstown » May 29, 2010 - 11:42 PM PST
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lol tim duncan not a superstar? i dont even think there is an argument on the best pf of all time. this guy is just pure basketball. he is pure skill.

                
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Post ID: 97191by ekker3 » May 29, 2010 - 11:47 PM PST
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SDclipper wrote:
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i know exactly what ekker means. if we get lebron, the bandwagon retards will hop aboard. if we don't get him, we will be known as " the franchise who denied LeBron". so, im really lost here. this ENTIRE summer is a lose-lose for us real clipper fans. lebron comes here, he brings the bandwagoners. he doesn't come here, we continue losing. =/

Not really a fan of this post. It's a lose-lose for real Clipper fans either way? If we get LBJ or another free agent stud this summer is an epic win for this franchise. And this also implies that real Clippers fans would rather lose than sell out, so to speak. That's insane. You people need to stop giving a **** about potential bandwagon fans and realize how nice it might be to be playing important games in March and God forbid, April and May. Say we get LeBron, you think next April if we're headed to the playoffs you'll be like man this is weak, I give up, go T-Wolves? Doubt it. Bring on LBJ, bring on talent, and get this team headed in the right direction. Unless that doesn't make me a real Clipper fan.

geez, no one's questioning anyone's clipper fanmanship.

"and this also implies that real clipper fans would rather lose than sell out." - no it doesnt. not once did anyone (including myself) ever say i embrace losing. i really want to win, but im not exactly thrilled with replacing the Clipper franchise with LeBron. LeBron LeBron LeBron. seriously, in the half-assed success that the Cavs have had, no one really gives credit to the Cavs, just to LeBron. i just dread the day where here we are winning a ring (as if) and LeBron's the only one standing on the podium while Jeremy Piven, Tom Cruise, and Dane Cook are all high- fiving each other courtside. on top of all that, i wont even be able to afford a freaking 300 section seat. i just dont like lebron*.

i value my clipper basketball morals more than handing over everything i stand for to some guy that's bigger than the league itself, and knows it. people are seriously going ga-ga over this guy and he's relaxing and milking every last bit of it. if people want to voice out that i have a loser's mentality, then nerd out and go right ahead. im standing firm, people. as if there's only one answer to this mess.

and please, its not like lebron has proven he can win a ring. he's damn good, but this shouldnt have anything to do with sure-fire winning. for F's sake, here's the supposed best player in NBA history and he's only made it out of the weak EAST 1 year (only to get swept by the spurs that year). so why not give players like Dirk the same kind of infatuation?

i get the feeling that clipper fans just want to be relevant to the NBA media world (whatever that means). get ready to be relevant for the 1-man entertainment factor and perhaps nothing more. because basing it on history, that's pretty much all we can expect.

*more reasons why im not big on lebron: 1.that time he refused to sign ira newble's petition against China's human rights violations and their participation in the genocide in Darfur. (because he knew it would hurt his potential earnings in China). what a selfish creep.

2.having nike require the confiscation of all those "i got dunked on by jordan crawford" videos.

3.lighting his basketball spark as a youngster via a $1 basketball camp at a local rec center. millions and millions and millions of dollars later, he's started his own basketball camp. and charges around $700 to attend. way to give back, lebron.

4.he dances like a jock-chump

5.he lacks the focus to win an ring

he's just a very fake person and a borderline a-hole. and its hard for me to like him. its personal and beyond basketball.

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Post ID: 97192by clipperstown » May 29, 2010 - 11:53 PM PST
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SDclipper wrote:
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i know exactly what ekker means. if we get lebron, the bandwagon retards will hop aboard. if we don't get him, we will be known as " the franchise who denied LeBron". so, im really lost here. this ENTIRE summer is a lose-lose for us real clipper fans. lebron comes here, he brings the bandwagoners. he doesn't come here, we continue losing. =/

Not really a fan of this post. It's a lose-lose for real Clipper fans either way? If we get LBJ or another free agent stud this summer is an epic win for this franchise. And this also implies that real Clippers fans would rather lose than sell out, so to speak. That's insane. You people need to stop giving a **** about potential bandwagon fans and realize how nice it might be to be playing important games in March and God forbid, April and May. Say we get LeBron, you think next April if we're headed to the playoffs you'll be like man this is weak, I give up, go T-Wolves? Doubt it. Bring on LBJ, bring on talent, and get this team headed in the right direction. Unless that doesn't make me a real Clipper fan.

my post was talking about the fans, NOT the franchise. obviously we would be better wit ha top tier FA this summer. but you have to have understood what I meant. looking at it in a business perspective, yeah it would be amazing. looking at it from a true fans perspective, hell yeah it would be amazing, but there are always gonna be the faggs that lebron will bring along with him, claiming to have been clipper fans for years, which sucks for us ans here. i'd much rather watch my team grow through draft, through building chemistry, through losing and learning lessons, etc etc. but so far our franchise hasnt been able to do that, so idk, i guess just bring in lebron. it's like playing GTA. would you rather play the whole game out by yourself, and get that great feeling of beating the game 100%? or just use a cheat code(leBron)? it all depends on the person.

                
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Post ID: 97193by BINGO! » May 30, 2010 - 12:31 AM PST
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Top 10 LeBron Combos By Kevin Arnovitz ESPN Dwyane Wade made headlines last week when he suggested that several of this summer's marquee free agents would convene (at Apalachin? in the conference room at CAA?) to discuss how the signing season should play out. In addition to LeBron James -- the obvious guest of honor -- Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh have supposedly been extended invitations as well.

The idea to have a confab (who wouldn't want to be a fly on the wall for that event?) speaks to questions about James' future that became much more salient when the Cleveland Cavaliers sputtered in the Eastern Conference semifinals. In many ways, the Cavs' failures changed the conversation from a discussion of where James might go to the more important variable of with whom he should go.

The Cavs' meltdown proved that even a transcendent talent like James needs some help. And if we've learned anything from the Lakers' ascension since Pau Gasol's arrival in Los Angeles, it's that help means more than just "a supporting cast." Just as Kobe Bryant needed a multifaceted partner with Gasol's breadth of skills, James requires a complementary force greater than Antawn Jamison or Mo Williams.

There are plenty of big names to play alongside James wherever he lands this summer. The reigning MVP is the game's most versatile player, and each potential match would accentuate some of his strengths while possibly minimizing others. At the same time, James' dominance would have a major impact on whomever he's playing beside. Both LeBron and his sidekick would have to sacrifice offensive possessions and potential glory.

John Hollinger has performed a comprehensive examination of potential pairings with LeBron at ESPN Insider. Here's a further look at 10 possible player combinations for James, ranked in order of how potent they would be.

In addition to examining the specific floor dynamics between James and his partner, we're looking at a three-year term, something to consider when we look at older guys (Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant) and younger ones (Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose):

  1. LeBron James-Chris Bosh Much of the hand-wringing in Cleveland over recent seasons has concerned who should play power forward. Is James best suited to play alongside a traditional post player who will draw defenses in and free up James to initiate on the perimeter, or does he need the fashionable "stretch 4" to spread the floor? The correct answer: Yes.

Bosh is the rare breed of power forward who embodies the inside-out versatility a James-led team should deploy. Lift Bosh to 18 feet, where he can drill face-up jumpers, and James can storm the rim. Feed Bosh inside, and he can drive one-on-one, kick to James out of the double team or step back and tickle the twine. Don't feed him at all, and Bosh is selfless enough to defer, an attribute whose importance can't be overstated when sizing up playmates for James.

  1. LeBron James-Joe Johnson There isn't a more deadly perimeter shooter on the free-agent market. Johnson took a pounding for the Hawks' crash landing in the conference semifinals, but he was more of a symptom than a cause of Atlanta's troubles. Johnson shouldn't be the focal point of an isolation attack. Playing the 2 alongside James, he wouldn't have to be. Under Mike D'Antoni, Johnson was an active pick-and-roll player, a smart passer and, most important, a weak side menace. Situate Johnson on the opposing wing, and defenses will have limited options when James penetrates or posts up (a part of James' game he'd want to refine to best maximize Johnson).

Johnson's handle would give a James team a third virtual point guard, something that will prevent the standing around that has plagued the Cavs from time to time. Finally, Johnson's low-key persona would seem to be a sensible fit alongside the King.

  1. LeBron James-Dirk Nowitzki Any companion to James will naturally see his usage fall, and Nowitzki -- who will be 32 on opening night 2010-11 -- could benefit from the effect as he ages. Imagine this sequence: LeBron James rebounds a long miss on the defensive glass, then races the ball up-court with the defense quickly backpedaling. As the transition defense converges on the ball, the best trailing big man in a generation spots up at the arc, where James delivers him the pass for a wide-open 3-pointer.

In the half-court, Nowitzki would be an ideal collaborator with James on a 3-4 pick-and-roll. And though they wouldn't be able to get away with it for 48 minutes a night, a LeBron-Dirk small-ball unit would be exhilarating, as the Mavs have had some of their best success in recent seasons when Nowitzki was holding down the 5.

  1. LeBron James-Dwyane Wade A James-Wade combination is fraught with all kinds of peril. Both players are aggressive alpha dogs who dominate the ball. Given Wade's limitations as a jump shooter, James might actually be the guy who has to sublimate some of his instincts. Want to be the coach who asks him? Still, despite whatever issues might surface, there are plenty of reasons for these two supernovas to team up. The most persuasive might be on the defensive end, where a wing tandem of James and Wade would grind perimeter attacks to a screeching halt.

The offensive benefits are obvious and were on full display with Team USA. International opponents had their heads on swivels trying to account for both sides of the floor. With the ball in Wade's hands, James would not only tease help defenders, but also use his size and strength to crash the offensive glass off Wade's misses. With the ball in James' hands, Wade would buzz around the floor off curls where James would hit him on the move to the basket.

Count the baskets ... and the fouls drawn.

  1. LeBron James-Blake Griffin Looking for a big man with a high ceiling to pair with James? As difficult as it might be to project Griffin's trajectory, James should give the redshirt rookie a long look. Griffin is a young, super-athletic, hyper-competitive forward who would develop his game around James' talent. And as a guy often tagged as "a coach on the floor," James would unquestionably be the senior partner of the tandem.

Here's what we know about Griffin: He has the explosiveness and hands to be the most devastating roll man since Amare Stoudemire. But unlike Stoudemire, Griffin has a voracious appetite for the glass and had already emerged as the Clippers' traffic cop on defense before he went down with a knee injury.

Once Griffin refines his jumper (already in progress), the James-Griffin pick-and-roll could emerge as the most unstoppable force in basketball. Most important, Griffin's speed, size and athleticism would finally give James a true "running 4" -- but one who could body up in the half-court on both ends when the tempo necessitated.

Wildcard: LeBron James-Kobe Bryant Bryant's not a free agent and there's no indication that LeBron's a Laker-to-be, but let's imagine for a moment that the wildest speculation comes true.

Picture this: A corner set in the confines of the triangle offense with James as the trigger man on the wing, Gasol situated at the pinch post in front of James, and Bryant to James' left in the corner. Now draw up something to defend that.

Could a James-Bryant combination work? In theory, yes. The schematics present few problems, particularly in a system that could utilize the collective skill set of Kobe and LeBron as well as the triangle.

The overriding question for both James and Bryant: How much would each superstar be willing to defer? Would each tolerate playing off the ball in crucial game situations? If so, the results would be fascinating, because the talents of James and Bryant are more complementary than we realize. If not, the dramatic tension would offer stellar entertainment value.

  1. LeBron James-Carlos Boozer LeBron's former teammate Boozer is generally regarded as a consolation prize for the teams that miss out on Bosh and Stoudemire, but whoever lands James shouldn't overlook Boozer's assets in the post. Boozer is a master practitioner of the pick-and-roll, something he's demonstrated with Deron Williams in Utah. Boozer knows how to apply a screen and has sticky mitts that can handle bullet passes, a soft finishing touch, a strong passing game out of the double team and rebounding prowess.

Above all, Boozer is a heady player who -- even more than Bosh and Stoudemire -- understands how to work off the ball as an effective decoy for a ball-dominating scorer. Now if only Booz could more adequately defend.

  1. LeBron James-Amare Stoudemire Stoudemire-to-the-Cavs is the great counterfactual of the 2010 postseason. Watching James' teammates struggle to help him find good looks against Boston, it was hard not to imagine what a multi-dimensional offensive player like Stoudemire might have opened up for James.

Steve Nash and LeBron James might not be natural analogues, but playing alongside Stoudemire would render James as a transition point forward running the types of devastating early sets we witness with the Suns. Then again, Stoudemire seems to need a big, hulking 5 to do the dirty work on the defensive end and the boards, something that would hamper James' ability to ignite a faster-paced game.

  1. LeBron James-David Lee Break out pick-and-roll stats and Lee's numbers jump off the page. No big man rolled more proficiently and more frequently in 2009-10 than Lee did. What makes Lee so efficient? Unlike Stoudemire, who moves with brute force off the action, Lee is a master of finding pockets of space off the screen where he can launch a quick shot with either paw -- the closer to the rim, the better. Lee can get out in transition and also saw his shooting accuracy leap this past season from midrange.

But he doesn't compromise defenses with his back to the basket, which limits the range of half-court sets you can run in an offense where Lee anchors the front line. And as much temptation as there would be to play James at the 4 with Lee at the 5 -- particularly under D'Antoni -- Lee's inability to defend the post or challenge shots would demand another big body in the mix.

  1. LeBron James-Derrick Rose Speed has been, far and away, James' most underutilized asset in Cleveland, and there isn't a better player on James' list of potential running mates to leverage that attribute than the Bulls' point guard -- a James-Rose team would zip up and down the floor. But could they be more than an NBA variation AAU squad? Because James is such a capable passer, the ideal point guard on his squad should have the capacity to seamlessly trade roles with him in an instant. Right now, Rose needs the ball to be effective (though he isn't a great distributor) and doesn't perform the kind of off-the-ball tasks James' accomplice in the half-court rightfully should.

On the other hand, the 21-year-old Rose figures to improve virtually every piece of his game and, as they say on the diamond, you can't teach speed. His soft-spoken, camera shy nature would be another plus in the partnership.

  1. LeBron James-Brook Lopez Lopez has a bright future ahead of him as a traditional pivot man is a league with few of them. He will make a strong case to be on the Eastern Conference All-Star squad season in and season out. Among his strong suits are being a good screener and knowing how to get a clean shot in the basket area. As James peruses the menu of big men, here's the pressing question: Should the second-best player on a James-led team be an orthodox center with limited range and athleticism, or should James cast his lot with someone who can stretch defenses, win every race to the rim and challenge defenses with a more varied skill set?

just thought it was interesting............ number 5

                
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Post ID: 97194by ClipfanSince88 » May 30, 2010 - 01:17 AM PST
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^^^ Interesting. I work right down the street from the CAA building. I'm going to be keeping my eye out in the next couple weeks.

                
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I liked number 5. Just listening to the words "griffin" and " unstoppable" together just gives me such high hopes for this guy.

                
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It sure does! Very Happy

                
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Post ID: 97306by Grillinnap » May 31, 2010 - 12:00 PM PST
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^^^ almost always need a superstar. The only reason i say almost is because the Pistons won and probably another team like them a few decades ago.

Outside of the very rare occurrence a superstar is a must.

The 2004 Pistons are the only exception to the "you need a superstar to win it all" rule that I can think of since the 80s. There was more parity in the 70s, as a bunch of teams won the title and I don't think any team went back-to-back. Some of those 70s champions lacked what we would call a superstar by today's standards. But once the Magic and Bird era hit, no team won that didn't have one of the best players in the league (plus a couple of additional all-stars for good measure). The Lakers, Celtics and Sixers teams that won in the 80s were all stacked with talent. I guess you could also argue that the late 80s Pistons didn't have a superstar, but its debatable. Some people would put Isiah Thomas in the superstar category, but he's definitely on a different tier than Magic and Bird, at least IMO.

Yeah, in the 70s, the NBA was actually a crapshoot. When Magic and Bird came into the league, the NBA became predictable. There have been only eight franchises that won the NBA Finals since the 80s. And look how there's always a finalist that comes back in the NBA Finals in the following year.

1983 NBA Finals: Lakers-Sixers 1984: Lakers-Celtics 1985: Lakers-Celtics 1986: Rockets-Celtics 1987: Lakers-Celtics 1988: Lakers-Pistons 1989: Lakers-Pistons 1990: Blazers-Pistons C-C-C-c-c-c combo breaker 1991: Lakers-Bulls A new trend starts here. 1992: Blazers-Bulls 1993: Suns-Bulls Mini C-C-C-c-c-c combo breaker 1994: Rockets-Knicks 1995: Rockets-Magic MJ is back C-C-C-c-c-c combo breaker 1996: Sonics-Bulls 1997: Jazz-Bulls 1998: Jazz-Bulls So long, Bulls era C-C-C-c-c-c combo breaker 1999: Spurs-Knicks

In the 2000s 2000: Lakers-Pacers 2001: Lakers-76ers 2002: Lakers-Nets 2003: Spurs-Nets 2004: Lakers-Pistons 2005: Spurs-Pistons 2006: Mavericks-Heat 2007: Spurs-Cavaliers 2008: Lakers-Celtics 2009: Lakers-Magic 2010: Lakers-Celtics

If one NBA Finals series has no returning finalist, it most likely means that one of the finalists made it to the Finals not too long ago (example: Spurs-Cavs in 2007). Only the 2006 series is the one that had both teams that had a long NBA Finals drought or have never been to the Finals. The only three-year period that had six different teams making the Finals was 06, 07, and 08.

                
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Post ID: 97375by GRIFFIN32 » Jun 01, 2010 - 01:32 AM PST
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I Myself went to the Parada, It was kool I just hope we get one of these guys. The john wall was just for fun

                
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I highly doubt you know Lebron on any level outside of what the media has put out. Have you ever talked to Lebron? What, you yelled at him at a game and he gave you a dirty look because you were making fun of him?

Almost every NBA player should be giving away a lot more of their money than they do, but they dont.

Also nearly every player should be giving away free basketball camp lessons and they dont.

And just to show how ignorant and biased you are Ekker, here is a small sampling of charitable activities by lebron:

1) Pays for 800 people to have thanksgivig dinner on him: http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/3724

2) Charity Bikeathon- http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Photos-LeBron-Jame s-King-for-Kids-charity-bi?urn=nba,184682

3) In 2006 he received the NBA community Assist Award, and here is his quote: “What I do with basketball only lasts during the season, but the work we do with the Foundation goes on non-stop,” said James. “We want to keep building hopes and dreams in the lives of children and families.” Sounds like he is a real A-hole to me.

4) he donated $1 million to onexone, an organization created to better the live of children around the world. http://www.athlebrities.com/category/lebron-james/

He has many other charity efforts i just dont have the desire to post all of them.

finally Ekker, i might ask what you have d for the community or the homeless or anyone else in the greater LA area? Because as far as i am concerned it sounds a lot like the pot calling the kettle black.

And yes, in the case that you flip the question on me, i do quite a bit of volunteering and try to give a lot back because at the end of the day we are all blessed.

Its just annoying to me when you attack on this kind of level and have absolutely nothing to back you up.

                
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i know exactly what ekker means. if we get lebron, the bandwagon retards will hop aboard. if we don't get him, we will be known as " the franchise who denied LeBron". so, im really lost here. this ENTIRE summer is a lose-lose for us real clipper fans. lebron comes here, he brings the bandwagoners. he doesn't come here, we continue losing. =/

Not really a fan of this post. It's a lose-lose for real Clipper fans either way? If we get LBJ or another free agent stud this summer is an epic win for this franchise. And this also implies that real Clippers fans would rather lose than sell out, so to speak. That's insane. You people need to stop giving a **** about potential bandwagon fans and realize how nice it might be to be playing important games in March and God forbid, April and May. Say we get LeBron, you think next April if we're headed to the playoffs you'll be like man this is weak, I give up, go T-Wolves? Doubt it. Bring on LBJ, bring on talent, and get this team headed in the right direction. Unless that doesn't make me a real Clipper fan.

geez, no one's questioning anyone's clipper fanmanship.

"and this also implies that real clipper fans would rather lose than sell out." - no it doesnt. not once did anyone (including myself) ever say i embrace losing. i really want to win, but im not exactly thrilled with replacing the Clipper franchise with LeBron. LeBron LeBron LeBron. seriously, in the half-assed success that the Cavs have had, no one really gives credit to the Cavs, just to LeBron. i just dread the day where here we are winning a ring (as if) and LeBron's the only one standing on the podium while Jeremy Piven, Tom Cruise, and Dane Cook are all high- fiving each other courtside. on top of all that, i wont even be able to afford a freaking 300 section seat. i just dont like lebron*.

i value my clipper basketball morals more than handing over everything i stand for to some guy that's bigger than the league itself, and knows it. people are seriously going ga-ga over this guy and he's relaxing and milking every last bit of it. if people want to voice out that i have a loser's mentality, then nerd out and go right ahead. im standing firm, people. as if there's only one answer to this mess.

and please, its not like lebron has proven he can win a ring. he's damn good, but this shouldnt have anything to do with sure-fire winning. for F's sake, here's the supposed best player in NBA history and he's only made it out of the weak EAST 1 year (only to get swept by the spurs that year). so why not give players like Dirk the same kind of infatuation?

i get the feeling that clipper fans just want to be relevant to the NBA media world (whatever that means). get ready to be relevant for the 1-man entertainment factor and perhaps nothing more. because basing it on history, that's pretty much all we can expect.

*more reasons why im not big on lebron: 1.that time he refused to sign ira newble's petition against China's human rights violations and their participation in the genocide in Darfur. (because he knew it would hurt his potential earnings in China). what a selfish creep.

2.having nike require the confiscation of all those "i got dunked on by jordan crawford" videos.

3.lighting his basketball spark as a youngster via a $1 basketball camp at a local rec center. millions and millions and millions of dollars later, he's started his own basketball camp. and charges around $700 to attend. way to give back, lebron.

4.he dances like a jock-chump

5.he lacks the focus to win an ring

he's just a very fake person and a borderline a-hole. and its hard for me to like him. its personal and beyond basketball.

Death toll in Darfur: 300,000+ and counting LeBron's wallet: millions and counting

I highly doubt you know Lebron on any level outside of what the media has put out. Have you ever talked to Lebron? What, you yelled at him at a game and he gave you a dirty look because you were making fun of him?

Almost every NBA player should be giving away a lot more of their money than they do, but they dont.

Also nearly every player should be giving away free basketball camp lessons and they dont.

And just to show how ignorant and biased you are Ekker, here is a small sampling of charitable activities by lebron:

1) Pays for 800 people to have thanksgivig dinner on him: http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/3724

2) Charity Bikeathon- http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Photos-LeBron-Jame s-King-for-Kids-charity-bi?urn=nba,184682

3) In 2006 he received the NBA community Assist Award, and here is his quote: “What I do with basketball only lasts during the season, but the work we do with the Foundation goes on non-stop,” said James. “We want to keep building hopes and dreams in the lives of children and families.” Sounds like he is a real A-hole to me.

4) he donated $1 million to onexone, an organization created to better the live of children around the world. http://www.athlebrities.com/category/lebron-james/

He has many other charity efforts i just dont have the desire to post all of them.

finally Ekker, i might ask what you have d for the community or the homeless or anyone else in the greater LA area? Because as far as i am concerned it sounds a lot like the pot calling the kettle black.

And yes, in the case that you flip the question on me, i do quite a bit of volunteering and try to give a lot back because at the end of the day we are all blessed.

Its just annoying to me when you attack on this kind of level and have absolutely nothing to back you up.

wow bro, that post wasnt directed at you. i dont like lebron. ease up.

listen, i realize lebron has done a lot for his community. i applaud him for that. i just think that a guy of his fame and wealth can literally change the world. but bah, my post wasnt entirely based on giving back to the community. explain the ira newble incident (and yeah, the comment he made some time later was just damage control). or the various examples of his huge ego and lack of focus. but in the end, cant i just not like the guy and not want him on my team? its pretty much sacrelige up in here.

btw, community service isnt something you're supposed to brag about. "i volunteer left and right" isnt the point of volunteering. we should do it to genuinely help and empower, not to gloat and falsely build our own personal worth. im not about to list my volunteering/work experience on the internet to prove a point.

but dont ask lebron. he'll probably show you tons of media footage.

(and for the record, im not too big on lashing out personal attacks on message boards. so unless its LeChoke related, you're on your own.)

                
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Post ID: 97416by clipperboy24 » Jun 01, 2010 - 02:39 PM PST
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^^problem is Ekker you want to make it a personal vndetta against lebron. All i am pointing out is your pithy arguments have very little backing.

Also as far as Ira Newble's gig, i applaud someone who doesnt just blindly back a cause. Most celebrities and athletes have no idea what is really going on because they dont take the time to research.

My post was in the main focus to show how Lebron actually does give back and no i dont think he sits there and brags about it.

Large ego in Lebron? yes i agree. Along with 95% of the players in the NBA. Like i stated before i actually worked at an agency and you would be shocked at how the nobodies are so full of themselves. Its the culture and its wrong across the board.

And as a sidenote, i dont take your comments personally but i am just annoyed at the way you fill the board with your anti-lebron garbage.

The only reason i said the last comment was just to nip the personal conversation in the bud. You want to criticize without being criticized.

Doesnt work like that Ekk.

                
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Post ID: 97423by ekker3 » Jun 01, 2010 - 04:35 PM PST
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no need to say my arguments are pithy. a simple response would suffice.

oh i agree that blindly backing a cause should be frowned upon, but you would think the moment he read genocide, he'd sign the thing. its pretty black and white. did it really take him a year to figure that out? (was it a coincidence that he refused to sign the petition less than a year away from the Beijing Olympics?) its all about money, which is entirely fine, but when it comes to him putting potential earnings before EXTREME human rights violations, i take issue with that. for those that havent read the petition, here it is http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0516/otl_darfur2.pdf

btw, if he really did want to avoid "backing blindly", he was sure quick to donate to barack obama. like really quick. like much less than a year of research quick. on another note, you would think that someone who was willing to provide such support a political candidate would understand the bare minimum of what's going on with china and darfur.

sure there's a lot of players with huge ego's in the NBA. but i think its safe to say lebron's ego trumps them all. i mean really, the dude has the nerve to think he can walk off a FT line to settle things with joakim. (im still pinching myself about that one). its funny, though, since i used to be a fan of his when he first came into the league. it seemed like he had a decent head on his shoulders. that all changed fast.

my "anti-lebron garbage": because we're all supposed to love lebron. to think otherwise would absurd. i want to criticize without being criticized? its not about me, its about discussing and criticizing basketball and its players. its the whole point of CTB. btw, do kobe bashers get bashed? (they're encouraged) why not the same for lebron?

seriously, what's wrong with not liking/wanting lebron and why are people so uptight about it? i cant respect the guy. i think i have that right as a fan without feeling guilty about it.

                
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Post ID: 97427by clipperboy24 » Jun 01, 2010 - 05:19 PM PST
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^^^ you have every right to not respect a guy for whatever personal reasons but if those issues hold true for a plethora of NBA players then you shouldnt respect them either. I dont know that Baron Davis is doing anything for Darfur.

What is happening in Darfur and many other places in the world is a tragedy, no doubt about that but you cant use that as a reason t exclusively hate on Lebron when most of the league's players are not doing anything either.

You can love or hate on anyone you like but the reasons you give are just silly to me. I think if you said i hate him because he is arrogant and because personally he just rubs me the wrong way. Your own decision i cant really say anything abut that because its an opinion. But once you start giving examples that apply to multiple NBA players and yet you hate the one more than the others that doesnt make sense.

I bet though you love Deng because he is one of the few working on projects like that and is a true class act. I would love to get him.

                
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Post ID: 97428by Hooch20 » Jun 01, 2010 - 05:27 PM PST
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LeBron will be in the LA area this weekend. He's attending the Spike TV Guys Choice Awards on June 5th in Culver City.

Parade 2?

                
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Post ID: 97433by ClipfanSince88 » Jun 01, 2010 - 06:09 PM PST
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Apparently there is a Larry King interview with LeBron airing this Friday -- http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/01/lebron-cleveland-has-edge-when-he s-free-agent/?hpt=T3.

                
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Post ID: 97466by ekker3 » Jun 01, 2010 - 10:11 PM PST
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^^^ you have every right to not respect a guy for whatever personal reasons but if those issues hold true for a plethora of NBA players then you shouldnt respect them either. I dont know that Baron Davis is doing anything for Darfur.

What is happening in Darfur and many other places in the world is a tragedy, no doubt about that but you cant use that as a reason t exclusively hate on Lebron when most of the league's players are not doing anything either.

You can love or hate on anyone you like but the reasons you give are just silly to me. I think if you said i hate him because he is arrogant and because personally he just rubs me the wrong way. Your own decision i cant really say anything abut that because its an opinion. But once you start giving examples that apply to multiple NBA players and yet you hate the one more than the others that doesnt make sense.

I bet though you love Deng because he is one of the few working on projects like that and is a true class act. I would love to get him.

my reasons for hating LeBron are exactly that: MY REASONS. that's why they sound silly to you.

and its not about other NBA players not doing anything about Darfur. LeBron was asked by Newble and refused. no one else was in that situation.

but you're making it sound like i originally said "i dont respect lebron" for one single reason. i had a list. and even then it was incomplete.

why should there be guidelines on who i can/cant hate and why? dude. you said "But once you start giving examples that apply to multiple NBA players and yet you hate the one more than the others that doesnt make sense."

my original post was pretty much lebron specific and cant be said about other NBA players:

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*more reasons why im not big on lebron: 1.that time he refused to sign ira newble's petition against China's human rights violations and their participation in the genocide in Darfur. (because he knew it would hurt his potential earnings in China). what a selfish creep.

2.having nike require the confiscation of all those "i got dunked on by jordan crawford" videos.

3.lighting his basketball spark as a youngster via a $1 basketball camp at a local rec center. millions and millions and millions of dollars later, he's started his own basketball camp. and charges around $700 to attend. way to give back, lebron.

4.he dances like a jock-chump

5.he lacks the focus to win an ring

  1. lebron specific
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  5. lebron specific (may hold true to other players, but who cares. im talking lebron here)
                
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Post ID: 97509by clipperboy24 » Jun 02, 2010 - 10:19 AM PST
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^^^ problem with that Ekker is #'s 1, 3, 4, and 5 apply to a very large amount of NBA players. You helped prove my point.

                
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Post ID: 97522by ekker3 » Jun 02, 2010 - 01:05 PM PST
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c'mon man.

1.name me a player that refused to sign ira newble's petition knowing that he had high potential earnings tied to china (other than damon jones) 2. name me another person who got dunked on by jordan crawford and confiscated all the videos at his own camp. 3. name me another player who took a $1 basketball camp at a rec center and now charges around $700 to attend his. 4. name me another player who dances like a jock-chump. (maybe dwight howard, but at least he's not doing it DURING games) 5. name me another player who lacks the focus to win a ring (only one of the 5 that may hold true to other players, but lebron's too good to have this quality)

                
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Post ID: 97549by clipperboy24 » Jun 02, 2010 - 04:58 PM PST
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  1. the majity of NBA players didnt sign Ira Newble's request, and any legitimate player hasarnings power in China
  2. never listed this as an option, please read more carefully next time.
  3. Let me just give an example for you: I went to a Sean Rooks basketball camp for 1 week. The cost? $250 per person. There are plenty of players who never even got the chance to play in camps and they definitely charge good money, maybe not $700 but my purpose wasnt about the dollars but the principle
  4. Joakim Noah your fave.
  5. Baron Davis, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, Baron Davis, Elton Brand, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, T-Mac, Baron Davis, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard etc etc etc. so about 70% of the league's stars

- one name just keeps surfacin in that list.

i am done with this useless convo. rply how you want, but i will not.

                
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Post ID: 97590by ekker3 » Jun 02, 2010 - 10:52 PM PST
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oh, you're done with this useless conversation. lol, bro you initiated this beef, no one asked you to. all i did was post a simple rant on LBJ (in response to someone else's post) and here you come out of the blue throwing insults and personal attacks left and right. you're pretty condescending on the internet. chill out.

but in any case: 1. since neither of us know who signed or refused Newble's petition, we can only go with what's printed in the media. we both know LeBron refused. im working with that because it's fact and he's the man in question at the moment. im not to concerned with what jamario moon or marcus bank did for obvious reasons.

  1. roll

  2. not sure if you addressed the fact that Lebron charges bank for suburban kids to attend his camp. all this after he gets his start via a $1 camp at a rec center. clarify this if you can/want to.

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Link that's genius. notice how he's not dancing during a game...its after a national championship.

  1. so if that's the case, and you're admitting he lacks focus, why is he so highly touted as if he's a basketball god? he pales in comparison to russell, kobe, and jordan in this area. is he really a sure thing to bring us a ring? an appearance in the western finals? especially with a move to the west? ( and again, im focusing on lebron since he was the topic of my post. no one else matters. ill bash baron davis when im talking about baron davis.

bottom line, I THINK lebron is more concerned with money than human rights, thinks the world revolves around him, and is thrilled that there are so many people that worship him. im not a fan of his for that and MANY other reasons. as a result, i dont want him on the clippers. please dont get insulted and my bad if you find that annoying.

                
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