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Gordon10
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Ive been keeping up with the talk thats gone on about Paul George and I do like his game, but what do you guys think about Gordon Haywards game? Another Indiana native to play alongside EJ?

Clipsfan21
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I've heard good things about Hayward but how is his D? Can he guard at the next level (lateral quickness)? Sorry i missed a lot of the tourny this year becuz i just got into a new relationship and have been spending a lot of time with her.

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I just watched him throughout the tourny and he has average athletic ability, at least in game it looks that way. His shot is barely at the college 3, so def not going to be close to lights out from the nba 3. And he rarely ever could dunk on guys and really get blocks on guys that are the same height as him. All the blocks i ever saw him get was when they were in the 2-3 defense and he had decent timing but was only blocking guys like 6 ft flat. Not too hard for a guy who is 6'9" give or take a couple inches. He also showed himself as a competent ball handler, although it was very slow, he was effective.

I think the kid has great character and is definitely competitive. I just dont know if he has the fundamentals to make up for his lack of quickness/athleticism on the floor. And because I didnt really get to see him guard quick small forwards like that of paul george or aminu, I cant really say he has great defensive skills. He has the mind to be a great/smart player in the league, but does he have the body/athleticism to be great. IDK

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I would be scared to draft this kid at #8. I think he has talent, but he has high bust potential IMO

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this kids gonna be a bust. i could think up 15 guys id take before him

SamMays
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He'd be a good pick and a good potential NBA player, but # 8 is too high... There are a lot of good threes in the draft who can be had with a later pick, who might help us more than someone like Aminu... In other words, better shooters than Aminu... Babbit is another who will likely be available... He's probably the best shooter of the bunch, better than George or Hayward and measured out at an honest 6'9" in bare feet... He already has NBA range and smarts and surprised with a 37 inch vertical leaps, so he's more athletic than he's been given credit for...

There's kind of a double standard that exists for white guys and a different one for black guys... They automatically assume white guys aren't athletic, so you get the term "surprisingly athletic" when they actually see him... And they think black guys are only athletic so many of the scouts are surprised when they have strong fundamental skills.

Even if less athletic, the ability to shoot the ball can make up for a lot of sins... If a guy can really shoot, the defense has to play them much tighter, which makes their first step seem much quicker... They can get buy guys...

I like all three of these guys, George, Babbit and Hayward and admit that I have no idea which one will be the better pro... If we trade down and have a pick at 14 or so, we're sure to get one of them.

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Hayward is a decent pick for our 3rd unit if Aminu or Monroe are gone by then.

Ricky
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Babbitt >>> Hayward

clipperboy24
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i think he has better potential than Babbitt but i wouldnt take him in the top 15. as a later 1st round pick i think he is worth the risk, but he doesnt look like he will be a starter, probably a 6th man guy.

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I like him but I think 8 is to high for him to be picked at.

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Babbitt is pretty athletic. I was surprised about the 37.5" vertical leap, and his agility time was very good. His sprint time wasn't that great, but the poor man's Chris Mullin comparisons might not be that far off.

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no way he is another joe alexander, good college player but will not be effective in pro ball

jcdigital
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I saw that vert as well...but the question is, does he use it in game? Sure he might be able to jump high, but if he doesnt take it to the rack and pound it in over people then all it goes towards is rebounding, if he does that. There has to be a reason he is placed later in the first round in many mocks. I saw his draft combine stats and they were ridiculous! 80 percent from 3 or something like that. That is crazy but there has to be a reason he is not higher up. Maybe less potential?

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The best SF/PF in the draft is Damion James. No one else is even close. The problem that people have with him is that he is a four year college guy who is 22.

He averaged a double double for Texas this last season. His wingspan is very long. He plays great defense, is tough and strong. At the Chicago pre-draft combine his total times in the agility skills test and 3/4 court sprint were second only to John Wall.

Right now he is slated to go in the teens because of his age and because he 6' 6.25 but people aren't sure if he is short PF or not. His wing span is 7' 0.25" and he has a reach of 8' 11". He is considered a tweener because he can rebound and could defend the #4 in college even though he has the handles, speed and agility to play SF. He can also defend the SF.

Right now based upon where he is projected to go teams like the Spurs, Celtics and Thunder are very interested in him. I think eight might be a bit high for him but I don't expect him to last beyond the lottery.

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^well if teams like spurs, celtics, and thunder are looking at him...they definitely are thinking he is gonna go past the lottery and even almost past the first round. He sounds decent but does he have a shot? Because to be that old in comparison to the other talent he must have a complete all-round game besides maybe a tiny hitch here or there if he is gonna go in the lottery.

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I haven't posted enough to be able to post a link but you can go to DraftExpress and read what they say about him.

You can then google Damion James video and watch the 9 minute mix of him taken in 2007-08, he surely is better now, and then you decide if you think he can create and get his shot off. In fact those are two of his biggest strengths on offense; i.e., creating his own shot and he has an incredibly fast release. He is a very effective shooter from all angles and with all kinds of shots from about 15 - 20 in. He can also crash the offensive glass very effectively.

What he doesn't have yet is a E. Gordon type three point shot. However, he is also considered the best defender in this draft class.

Like I said he is looked at right now in mock drafts as going anywhere from mid to late teens but so what. That could change by draft night. I don't think anyone thought he was almost as fast or agile as John Wall when they put together these mock drafts.

His age is his biggest liability from a draft perspective, but with four years at Texas he is a plug and play especially since he is such a very good defender. He is no project that is for sure.

Does he have much upside because he is 22? I would think that he still has some. How much I don't know but that thinking for sure is why a lot of the mock drafts have him going that low. The NBA today drafts projects with upside a lot of whom wind up sitting on the end of the bench for their entire rookie contract.

Do the Clippers want to waste a #8 on a project like D. Jordan or maybe even more so when they can get get a very good plug and play guy right now especially one who can play the position that they need filled.

I know how I would pick.

P.S. I am not dissing Jordan. I am a big fan of his. I am just saying that even after a couple of years he still has a lot of holes in his game including on the defensive side where other than shot blocking his defense is still significantly below adequate in my opinion. Though I keep rooting for him and have confidence that eventually he will get it entirely on the defensive end. But that could not be until his fifth year. D. James is already there and then some.

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^ i get it, but you have to realize we are going to take Best available. Hayward will be no where near best available at 8. And idk about the best defender in this class. Thats is somewhat of an overstatement. I will give you that he has decent ball handling skills for being as tall as he is. But the draft combine numbers dont mean that he plays basketball at that speed/pace. Just like in the NFL combine..the guys have like ridiculous 40 times but most dont play that way. From what I saw, he doesnt play with quickness, he plays more so off paced, which would get guys off balance. He also wasnt very explosive, leading to more layups and less dunks. He seems like a great kid with a great attitude and mind. Just dont know if he is the guy for us, especially if his stock is all the way down in the teens. I just cant see him ever being that great 3 man that we would need for the future. And for him to be even lower than paul george, which people seem to think we wont pick up paul george and that he doesnt crack top 10, idk if hayward has a chance to go top 10

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Yeah, JCdigitial summed it up best. Barring a major trade, we will take BPA with #8. If Aminu or Wes or some SF who aces the workouts and shoots up are not available at #8, we may very well trade down to get one of the next tier of SFs. At least one of Babbitt, Henry or another will be there at #12-#14. Someone will want our #8 to take one of the bigs who won't be available at #12-14. This trade could also free up more $ for FA.

So I'm not even thinking about this until I hear who goes at #7 at about 5:00 on June 24th. In fact, they may pick Joe Blow and announce a trade later at the time of their trading partner's pick. So I'm just working a full day on the 24th and don't need to look at ESPN until I'm ready to log-out at work.

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There was recently an article on Hayward....

http://clipperblog.com/2010/06/01/prosp ... n-hayward/

overall I would not use the 8th pick on this guy....especially when there will be guys like paul george and henry still on the board. Hayward seems like he's going to be basically luke walton -_- NOOOOO THANK YOU...

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I wouldn't be disappointed to get Hayward... What I'd really like to do is trade down a bit for a # 13 or so, plus a late first round pick and get Hayward (or Babbit or George) and Mikhail Torrance who is a big PG prospect to play behind Baron for awhile and then take over... At 6'5" he'd be a good partner for our short SG..

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I think that's the best thing for us to do. Most experts think that outside of the first four or five picks (Wall, Turner, Cousins, Johnson.) there are really not many players who you can say will be good NBA players. We are really gambling with the #8 pick because at this point guys like Xavier Henry or Aminu are just as much a mystery as Hayward and Babbit. So essentially I would love an opportunity to trade down for more picks and hope that just by the sheer numbers (2 first round picks) one of the guys will turn out to be good (after all Darren Collison went #22 last year so we can get lucky)

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