Give Richard Jefferson the mid level already!!!

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Unfortunately, Richard Jefferson needs to be offered the full mid level by us ASAP. We need a STARTING SF and there is NOBODY out there that is capable to start. The crappy part about all this was that there wasn't that many sf's available that can start. Lets look at the list

  1. LBJ - Actually considered us from what I've heard we were his 1st option before the 3 came together. SIGNED, WAS AVAILABLE

  2. JJ - SG capable of playing the sf position got PAID.NEVER AVAILABLE

  3. Rudy Gay - Got paid, OVERPAID.NEVER AVAILABLE

  4. Paul Pierce - Faithful franchise player that wouldn't walk away from one victory away from the championship, or should I say, one undercut from a well known rapist.NEVER AVAILABLE

  5. John Salmons - Had a great half season but probably wont play to that potential ever, Milwaukee had home court on that one?WAS AVAILABLE

  6. Josh Childress - we could have had him, no doubt in my mind. WAS AVAILABLE

  7. Mike Miller - would have been perfect but went to a contender.WAS AVAIBLE

  8. Al Harrington - nut case, do we really want players like him?WAS AVAILABLE

  9. TMAC - broken down.AVAILABLE

  10. Kyle Korver - A shooter and a good...wait....ummmm...what else does he do?WAS AVAILABLE

  11. Richard Jefferson - A maggete type player that can shoot a little better, better D, but doesn't score as efficiently as mags.AVAILABLE

  12. Josh Howard - BROKEN.AVAILABLE

  13. RBrewer - can defend and hustle, but quality starter?SF?

Players that are actually worth giving money to that can start(Quality,Low Risk):

  1. LBJ

  2. Josh Childress

  3. Mike Miller

  4. Richard Jefferson

  5. John Salmons

The first three are signed. I prefer Jefferson's over all game over Salmons game, more proven. Either way Salmons isn't available. People might think Jefferson is washed up but he can thrive in an uptempo system. We don't need 20pts per game from him. We need solid d, fundamentals, shooting, and EXPERIENCE. Lets get it done, give him the mid level already.

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SALMONS is already with the bucks isnt he, and i rather have IGGY than JEFFERSON man

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I think the front office needs to wait...heres why,

Others have stated it before and I agree very much...Teams like the pacers and sixers are prolly not going anywhere this year and will prolly look to blow up their teams. I think Danny Granger and Iggy will be on their way out during the season and it will allow us to trade for them with the extra cap we have now. Those teams will be looking for cap relief. If we can trade money plus maybe a player we can get a very good SF, BUT!!!!!!

We have been patient for so many billion years as Clipper fans, we just need to be a little bit more patient. Don't spend the money on a SF just because. I believe in Gomes.

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I dont want jefferson. I think we should wait a bit. Im a taurus. I have more patient than any other sign. I want granger & igoudala. I also like ronnie brewer. Smile

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rj likely to go back to the spurs

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not a big fan of rj. obviously if iggy or granger are available grab them, but from the FAs, i love brewer. maybe not a starter, but definitely a quality guy off the bench. underrated hustler, defender, and high iq player. dwill loved the guy and was really pissed when he was traded last year.

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THIS IS THE BEST POST OF THE DAY! Finally someone else seeing big picture! Clippers are not going to be in western conference finals this year! They're not 1 piece away. Adding a Granger at trade deadline or next off season would put them in a position to fight for western conference championship in 2 years!!

As for Jefferson, he walked away from $16 million this year to become a free agent!!! You think he walked away from $16 million to sign for $5.7 and mid-level??? I'm sure his asking price is closer to 5 years, $40 million with him knowing he's going to be badly overpaid in year 4 and 5 of the deal and make up what he walked away from this year. Why would Clippers want to waste 2011 cap space on a 30 year old when we have such a solid young core???

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Jefferson ain't going for less than $10. Will he sign with us for any price? Maybe he won't. Not that i'm pushing for it but T-mac I think would become a Clipper.

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T-Mac on a 1 year deal!! Over pay him if you have to. 1 year for $7.5 million. The expiring contract is an asset if T-Mac shows up and just doesn't have it anymore!

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Totally agree on RJ. Granger would be perfect, but that's unlikely. Brewer will be good, but like all clips fans, I'm sick of building year after year - and didn't we draft Aminu for potential? Iggy can play bigger than his body, but T-Mac seems like a good option at this stage - if he gets injured or phones it in, we have the backups - plus, he's gonna have to make it work here or bust. I just get the feeling he'd relish the '06 Cassell role of being the old pro on a young, hot team.

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I don't think you guys are getting the point. Why would he want more than the mid level? He hasn't' even got an offer. He would be a great pick up for mid level price. 35>15 mil where I come from. It doesn't matter how many years. Players want longer contracts most of the time. Look at what childress got! I want Iguodala, don't get me wrong but we need insurance to start the season right. We don't have a starting sf right now. If we sign RJ we do and we could still pick up a Iggy/Granger type player later since we shouldn't give RJ the prices some people are claiming to want to give him. Worst comes to worst we dump a couple contracts, foye,cook?

TMAC???!!!???!!! You guys have to be kidding me. Might as well bring in AI and hire Mike Tyson as our head pr guy. If anyone thinks TMAC can come in and start for a team, well, pass what your smoking this way. TMAC at best is a 7th option right now in his career. Someone said give TMAC 8 million dollars for one season. WTF! Wow...........

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T-Mac wouldn't have to play heavy min with Gomes and Aminu(rookie) backing him up. Plus, his NYK avg from last season show that he's still good for at least 20-25 quality mpg.

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you can end da RJ for MLE dream...lez use common sense...he opted out of $15M 1year left to sign a 3-year $15 deal?!?!? lol not happening...rumors say he has deal in place for less yearly, more years, but not same money, more years hahahaha

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Jefferson likely headed back to SA according to Jeff Mcdonald/SA Express-

http://twitter.com/jmcdonald_saen

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Does he even want to come here and would he even accept a mid-level offer?

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MJSF wrote:
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If anyone thinks TMAC can come in and start for a team, well, pass what your smoking this way. TMAC at best is a 7th option right now in his career. Someone said give TMAC 8 million dollars for one season. WTF! Wow...........

T-Mac wouldn't have to play heavy min with Gomes and Aminu(rookie) backing him up. Plus, his NYK avg from last season show that he's still good for at least 20-25 quality mpg.

we need a starter not a player that can't play heavy minutes...

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I'm sure glad you, clippergm, are not our real gm...Lets start from the beginning.....1...2...3...4..5..What number comes first 15 or 35???? How much more is 35 than 15....ummm...20. Now lets imagine these are millions of dollars...ummm...you still there. Now lets also remember there is a new collective bargain agreement in the works that probably wont allow players to get contracts worth the amount of money they have been earning for the past 10-15 years. You still there? Up to this point he hasn't been offered a contract officially. He would be a great role player that can start and create his own shot,play defense etc. He is not a savior, but he is a capable STARTER that can keep the spot warm for our youth or a better player via trade or sign. I'll get to the SA offer next or supposed offer next...

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you guys need to get over richard jefferson. he doesn't fit this clipper team & he probably wants alot of $. i rather have t-mac. if he's healthy.

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Jefferson likely headed back to SA according to Jeff Mcdonald/SA Express- http://twitter.com/jmcdonald_saen
I wouldn't take twitter sources so serious. Not really a credible source. If you really trust the person and that person is never wrong then you have to take it for what it is, a solid rumor. Lets get to the twitter.. # Because it's better than starting James Jones at the three RT @giantchristoph Why? about 1 hour ago via web # Please tell me they're wearing Los Spurs jerseys RT @spurs Spurs To Face Clippers In Preseason Game....

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Exactly!!! Can you please refer to this thing called the 2009/2010 regular season. How many games did KNEEMAC play, start? What about 2008/2009? 2007/2008? Well lets look at the facts...

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

97-98 TOR 64 17 18.4 0.450 0.341 0.712 1.6 2.6 4.2 1.5 0.8 1.0 1.03 1.34 7.0

98-99 TOR 49 2 22.6 0.436 0.229 0.726 2.4 3.2 5.7 2.3 1.1 1.4 1.63 1.92 9.3

99-00 TOR 79 34 31.2 0.451 0.277 0.707 2.4 4.0 6.3 3.3 1.1 1.9 2.03 2.54 15.4

00-01 ORL 77 77 40.2 0.457 0.355 0.733 2.5 5.0 7.5 4.6 1.5 1.5 2.57 2.08 26.8

01-02 ORL 76 76 38.3 0.451 0.364 0.748 2.0 5.9 7.8 5.3 1.6 1.0 2.49 1.83 25.6

02-03 ORL 75 74 39.3 0.457 0.386 0.793 1.6 4.9 6.5 5.5 1.6 0.8 2.60 2.08 32.1

03-04 ORL 67 67 40.0 0.417 0.339 0.796 1.4 4.6 6.0 5.5 1.4 0.6 2.67 1.93 28.0

04-05 HOU 78 78 40.8 0.431 0.326 0.774 0.9 5.3 6.2 5.7 1.7 0.7 2.58 2.14 25.7

05-06 HOU 47 47 37.1 0.406 0.312 0.747 1.0 5.6 6.5 4.8 1.3 0.9 2.55 1.87 24.4

06-07 HOU 71 71 35.8 0.431 0.331 0.707 0.8 4.5 5.3 6.5 1.3 0.5 3.00 1.92 24.6

07-08 HOU 66 62 37.0 0.419 0.292 0.684 0.6 4.5 5.1 5.9 1.0 0.4 2.42 1.38 21.6

08-09 HOU 35 35 33.7 0.388 0.376 0.801 0.6 3.8 4.4 5.0 1.2 0.4 1.97 1.09 15.6

09-10 NYK 24 24 26.1 0.389 0.242 0.754 0.9 2.8 3.7 3.9 0.6 0.5 1.79 1.58 9.4

09-10 HOU 6 0 7.7 0.368 0.500 0.667 0.0 0.8 0.8 1.0 0.0 0.3 0.17 0.33 3.2

Career -- 814 664 34.6 0.435 0.337 0.749 1.5 4.5 6.0 4.7 1.3 0.9 2.30 1.87 21.5

since 05/06 he has had 2 seasons playing more than 50 games. Not good. His average games per season since 05/06 is a whopping 49.8. If he has anything left he is worth minimum and he is not a starter type sf in the NBA. Can you remind me who made the playoffs last year or who has won an nba playoff series?

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Childress is younger than RJ and will have far more value in 4th and 5th season of a 5 year deal! RJ would accept the mid-level from the Spurs, but to come to the Clippers it would take more. A lot more.

I was the one who said give Tmac 1 year $7.5 million!! I stand by that. I know the Clippers would be overpaying, but its 100% worth it to make it a 1 year deal!!! The Clippers get a guy that will fill some seats, play decent SF minutes. Worst case, we trade expiring contract or simply let it expire and go after Carmelo, Yao, Tony Parker, etc in 1 year. Give T-mac, RJ, any of those guys a mid-level multi year deal and you officially have NO CAP SPACE in 1 year.

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RJ opted out of his contract because he's looking for a nice payday. If he's asking for something like 5yrs/50M, would you be willing to commit to that?

T-Mac, on the other hand, has no leverage. He's just trying to prove he's healthy and ready to contribute. He'll be lucky to get a 2yr/MLE deal. Basically, he would be just holding down the fort until Aminu is ready.

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ESPN RUMOR WRITES: "UPDATE: Jeff McDonald of the San Antonio Express-News gives indication via Twitter that Jefferson is likely to return to the Spurs. "For what it's worth, source close to the process sets odds of Jefferson returning to San Antonio at 95 percent," he tweeted Thursday. Richard Jefferson's decision to opt out of his contract that would have paid him $15 million next season surprised everyone in the NBA. The thought was that he could garner a long-term contract now that would make up for the loss in salary for the upcoming season. The problem is that so far....

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LABraves4Life wrote:
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I don't think you guys are getting the point. Why would he want more than the mid level? He hasn't' even got an offer. He would be a great pick up for mid level price. 35>15 mil where I come from. It doesn't matter how many years. Players want longer contracts most of the time. Look at what childress got!

TMAC???!!!???!!! Someone said give TMAC 8 million dollars for one season. WTF! Wow...........

Childress is younger than RJ and will have far more value in 4th and 5th season of a 5 year deal! RJ would accept the mid-level from the Spurs, but to come to the Clippers it would take more. A lot more.

I was the one who said give Tmac 1 year $7.5 million!! I stand by that. I know the Clippers would be overpaying, but its 100% worth it to make it a 1 year deal!!! The Clippers get a guy that will fill some seats, play decent SF minutes. Worst case, we trade expiring contract or simply let it expire and go after Carmelo, Yao, Tony Parker, etc in 1 year. Give T-mac, RJ, any of those guys a mid-level multi year deal and you officially have NO CAP SPACE in 1 year.

childress is off the table...Why would it take a lot more, he is worth 0 right now,yes ZERO because no one has made him an offer. How would we have zero cap space in 1 year if the mid level is around 5.5 and we have about 10.5 left of cap space? KNEMAC is not worth 7.5 million dollars. DO YOU WANT TO FILL SEATS OR WIN? IS THAT YOU STERLING? If RJ doesn't work out,"Worst case scenario we trade expiring contracts"..you said it.

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Or is KNEEMAC the missing piece at 31? As for the twitter, see the post above.

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No, I wouldn't give him 5/50..would any other team?He hasn't gotten one offer yet. If KNEEMAC gets the mid level from a GM, that GM is mentally challenged. RJ would also be holding down the fort and you can count on him actually playing and not being hurt.

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It's the nature of a fan to want to improve your team as much as possible when other teams are making moves. I think some people are taking Griffin for granted and forgetting that he is basically our free agent signing. It's essentially as if we had the number 1 and 8 picks in the draft and got Griffin and Aminu so that's the mindset we should have. Any other FA signing will be a bonus at this point. Sometimes patience is a virtue and let's be honest, we are probably NOT going to make a playoff run this year so as clipperAndrew wrote maybe it's better to wait until during the season to make a deal and get a leg up on people down the stretch and into next season.

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Yes patience is good for us now and signing a mid-level deal wont crush our near future. I want ATLEAST the chance to make the playoffs and with no STARTING SMALL FORWARD we can kiss that dream good by. Actually, I expect worse if we don't trade/sign a starter at the 3. 20 WINS, HERE WE COME!!!

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So RJ has leverage after that tremendous season he had last year? I think he's really looking for a multi-year worth about $20 mil with some playing time to prove he isn't finished. He has 1 year and about $15 mil left on his existing contract. I'm pretty sure he knows he won't get that for next year anywhere else, but maybe for 2 years and some opportunity. The Spurs apparently do not have the right offense for his game to fit into.

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slestack11 wrote:
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RJ opted out of his contract because he's looking for a nice payday. If he's asking for something like 5yrs/50M, would you be willing to commit to that?

T-Mac, on the other hand, has no leverage. He's just trying to prove he's healthy and ready to contribute. He'll be lucky to get a 2yr/MLE deal. Basically, he would be just holding down the fort until Aminu is ready.

So RJ has leverage after that tremendous season he had last year? I think he's really looking for a multi-year worth about $20 mil with some playing time to prove he isn't finished. He has 1 year and about $15 mil left on his existing contract. I'm pretty sure he knows he won't get that for next year anywhere else, but maybe for 2 years and some opportunity. The Spurs apparently do not have the right offense for his game to fit into.

He actually officially opted out of his last year. Good to hear some logical insight on the topic instead of "he can fill seats" and "give him 8 million dollars"....yuk.

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spontane wrote:
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RJ opted out of his contract because he's looking for a nice payday. If he's asking for something like 5yrs/50M, would you be willing to commit to that?

T-Mac, on the other hand, has no leverage. He's just trying to prove he's healthy and ready to contribute. He'll be lucky to get a 2yr/MLE deal. Basically, he would be just holding down the fort until Aminu is ready.

So RJ has leverage after that tremendous season he had last year? I think he's really looking for a multi-year worth about $20 mil with some playing time to prove he isn't finished. He has 1 year and about $15 mil left on his existing contract. I'm pretty sure he knows he won't get that for next year anywhere else, but maybe for 2 years and some opportunity. The Spurs apparently do not have the right offense for his game to fit into.

He actually officially opted out of his last year. Good to hear some logical insight on the topic instead of "he can fill seats" and "give him 8 million dollars"....yuk.

Yeah, I meant to say, "he HAD 1 year and about $15 mil left..." It sounds like a dumb move, but if he has another terrible year for SA, then he will be playing for a $4 mil per year contract next year. I think he can probably swing $9 mil X 2 years right now and, if he gets on a team where he can perform, then get another $9-$10 mil per year after that. Clippers would be a good place for this to happen, but I think he liked being on NJ before and will likely get the opportunity there too. I've also read that he was looking to move back to the NY area.

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Cant give up the MLW under you are over the cap...we're nowhere close!

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"UPDATE: Jeff McDonald of the San Antonio Express-News gives indication via Twitter that Jefferson is likely to return to the Spurs. "For what it's worth, source close to the process sets odds of Jefferson returning to San Antonio at 95 percent," he tweeted Thursday.


Richard Jefferson's decision to opt out of his contract that would have paid him $15 million next season surprised everyone in the NBA. The thought was that he could garner a long-term contract now that would make up for the loss in salary for the upcoming season. The problem is that so far he can't find any takers. New Jersey and New York were thought to be two potential destinations for the small forward, but they're going in another direction. According to the San Antonio Express-News, Jefferson's only options at this time are to look at the Clippers or re-sign with the Spurs for a starting salary next season in the $5.7 million to $6 million range."

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i wonder how reliable that source is

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