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Look you guys need to stop complaining about how bad our off-season has been. What did you expect? Lebron? Joe Johnson? Rudy Gay? Lebron was not coming and Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay took the money and ran. Nothing we could do about that or the other max free agents because frankly the Clippers are not a very attractive landing spot due to Sterling, our history, and the Lakers. Well you might then say, "Why didn't we at least get Iguodala, Deng, or Mike Miller?" Well Iguodala was never being shopped actively and it would have meant sending Chris Kaman along with taking on his huge contract just to acquire him, which would not be worth it. Deng on the other hand has a very bad contract as well, but unlike Iguodala is no where near all-star level, plus he would not have fixed our shooting problems from the SF spot. Mike Miller meanwhile wanted to play for a contender and we are sadly not one. Next you might ask why we could not even bring in Tracy McGrady? Well he had his heart set on Chicago and was just using us for publicity. It's sad but it's true. Not to mention, why would you want to bring in a broken down former star who still thinks of himself as a star who would take a lot of valuable minutes away from the development of Aminu and would hurt our team chemistry with his star attitude and his lack of desire to play for the Clippers in the first place? You might ask why we brought in Ryan Gomes and Randy Foye if they are not so called "impact" players, but what they are is they are quality role players who have good character and are on short contracts so that when our young guns are ready, they can step right in and not have a guy like Mike Miller and his contract in their way.

The reason for the front office bringing in guys to short contracts and not signing guys like Mike Miller and Josh Howard is because the organization gets it unlike those on here who complain about our off-season. They realize that in order to rebuild, you need to commit to rebuilding. When you have a guy as special as Blake Griffin, you build around him. You do not bring in a bunch of guys on long contracts that you will regret later, you bring in young talent and guys on short contracts to give you flexibility to build around said player and extend him without having to worry about him leaving due to the team being tied up in its funds and not being able to bring any help in. When Baron, Gomes, Foye, and Rasual are gone in 3 years, we will still have Griffin, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, and maybe Kaman. We will also have the money to bring in a quality free agent to add to that team because as our young team develops by getting quality minutes (as opposed to not getting quality minutes had we brought in certain free agents like Mike Miller or traded for Luol Deng) we will be a very good team and respectable. Some of you guys don't realize just how good Blake Griffin is. He will be on the same level as Dwight Howard. He is a loyal guy who is committed to turning around the Clippers as is Gordon and they will get it done. We have two of the best young players in the NBA and thats something to be excited about. What's the problem now? Summer league? Who cares, it's a meaningless scrimmage that didn't include our two best young guys. With Griffin, a rise to the upper echelon of the Western Conference is not just possible its inevitable. The Magic drafted Howard and everything changed for them. Sure they had Nelson, but they did not have guys like Kaman and Gordon surrounding him. Fact is, whether you like it or not, we are rebuilding and we are doing things the right way no matter how painful it may feel for some of you to wait. Remember when we were young and had just resigned Brand and Maggs, well we stuck with them and that team turned into a legit power in the West. Well guess what, Griffin and Gordon will be every bit as good as Brand and Maggs were or ever became. We our on the right track whether we are successful this year or not, we will be soon. Oklahoma City built like we are currently doing and they had unexpected early success. Look maybe we won't have unexpected early success, but down the line, we will be very good and it will be all thanks to Mr. Neil Olshey who finally understood what it is to build a real basketball team with a good culture and chemistry, not just a good video game roster.

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great post my friend! You deserve a rep!

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Wow! That really makes me feel alot better! Thanks Bro! Go Clippers! Very Happy

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Just wondering, if we continue to rebuild (lose), whats going to keep Gordon and Griffin from leaving when their contracts are up in 2012 and 2013, respectively? How do you know they won't fly the coop like Felton?

If we can't get a big free agent now, what makes you think we'll get one in 3 years if we continue to rebuild?

Why is there so much faith put in a rookie GM and a notoriously cheap owner?

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"Not just a good video game roster." So true. Clippers own in NBA2k10 with original rosters that have Thornton and Camby on the team and Griffin being playable.

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YES. you've summed up what i've been trying to get across to so many people on so many different threads.

although, i'm not sure that griffin is dwight howard level. that guy is a top 10, maybe top 5, player in the league and will be DPOY for the next 10 years. if griffin ever gets to that level, i'll be thrilled.

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If you make a qualifying offer in the last year, you just restricted the player. You can match the offer sheet.

Felton left cause no one wanted to sign him to an offer sheet. Therefor, Felton ended up getting the qualifying offer.

To Yaro, GREAT POST!

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Nice explanation...I agree with most of your points but the bottom line is our current roster is worse than last year and we know how our season finished last year.

My main concern is we should have acquired something better than the FAs we have signed this year (Gomes, Foye and Cook) and I doubt if it's a great signal having a team with 5 players from our SL team. I doubt to sign players like Warren or Blakney are good in order to be competitive this year.

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As I recall, and correct me if I am wrong, a player can take the qualifying offer on the last year of their contract and become an unrestricted free agent at the end of that year. Then Gordon and Griffin can become unrestricted free agents in 2013 and 2014, respectively. My point is that that is not very long to show them that the Clippers are committed to winning. If a player is disgruntled with his situation, they can request a trade unofficially, and some teams comply (i.e. Stephen Jackson).

By Felton, I did not mean the former Bobcat, I meant FElton Brand, even though I know that he was not at the end of his rookie contract.

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It is very rare for a player coming off a rookie contract to take the qualifying offer. Most young guys take the sure money. I highly doubt they become unrestricted free agents. Just stop thinking negative thoughts about how everyone will leave and that we will never be good. Most players picked in the lottery stay with their team through at least their 2nd contract (first non-rookie contract). Therefore, we actually have about 6-7 years to show Griffin and Gordon we can contend. That's a LOT of time. We will be fine.

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Just gotta keep in mind we have been clipper fans up until this point.. Just gotta be a little more patient and believe...

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still no one with veteran leadership qualities on the team. that's ESSENTIAL if we ever plan on winning consistently.

and its interesting to see people bet the bank on griffin just because he was the #1 pick. i still think he's the type of player that needs others to create for him and that's why he's not a franchise changer. just my opinion, obviously.

the only positive of this offseason is that we didnt eat up any cap-killing contracts. if anything, that's why the offseason could be seen as a "success".

oh, and gordon needs to be offered an extension this year of this offseason at the latest.

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ummmm, your post is too damn long, so only read first couple sentences, but based on everyone's responses, guess you had some good points....i personally don't care what anyone says, i'm very very very DISAPPOINTED, but since my expectations are super low now, maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised this year...GO CLIPS!

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Good post Yaroslav!

Miguel, how is the this team worse than last years??? You lost Camby, and Thorton (Steve Blake, Drew Gooden, and Travis Outlaw if you are looking end of season, not beginning). Camby was 35 + years old and had no place on this young team. Thorton was a ball hog who couldn't hit the outside 3 pointer (0.3/game at 31% over career) which is going to be critical to play the 3 next to a killer combo of Blake and Kaman.

NOW, the Clippers added Blake Griffin who very well could be a top 10 player in the league!! They added Randy Foye and Ryan Gome who are both amazing 6th and 7th man depth on any playoff team. So you lost Steve, Gooden, and Outlaw all of which are solid backup players, and replaced them with a top 10 player in the league and two other ideal length/price contracts for new solid backup players.

I think its obvious the Clippers are way better off this year than last year. If you're not certain of it, I can start discussing the depth and potential an Aminu or Bledsoe brings to the table... But, I think half of you get it, half of you will be forever lost, so I'll stop here.

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It doesn't matter how well the clippers play, most clipper fans will not be happy and will have more outrageous trade ideas, too much fantasy and not enough cold hard reality. Clipper fans need to set realistic goals and try to give support to the coach and team in achieving those goals, LeBron worship was always just worship and the clippers are still just that, Live within Clipper means.

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Yaroslav I do not hold your same optimism. I have been a fan since 2001 and I see a repetitive cycle with the clippers. I hope you're right, but i am not sold on the fact that we are going in the right direction with this team. Only time will tell whether the Clippers will commit to rebuilding (and actually keep these young players), or eventually use that cap money come trade deadliine on a player that will make an impact.

I love the Clippers and I will always be a fan, but I simply cant back what they have done. But again, I hope your right

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I'm talking about the roster we had last year and it includes obviously Blake Griffin. Although BG was injured he was part of the team.

The outcome of this free agency for our part is we have changed Outlaw, Gooden and Blake for Gomes, Foye and Cook. This is the result of our GM work this summer. Sincerely I prefer the first ones. We had to be able to keep at least one player from Outlaw, Gooden and Blake. Or at least get better replacements

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YaroslavFan, First I'd like to say you have good optimism yet I think you're missing a few things. First when you speak of us being a powerhouse team in the west when Brand and Maggette were here, it was 1 good year that we made it past the first round. In addittion, that team did not become good until we signed Mobley and traded for Cassell. That's when the team became confident (Because mostly they brought in a veteran PG with Championship experience) That was the reason Elgin Baylor was GM of the year. Yea I think Blake is gonna be good , how good? IDK cause he's never played an NBA game. But let's say this year he's as good as Elton was. He's still going to need the vets around him to help him take the Clips over the top. If you were the owner of the team(In a huge NBA market like LA) and I was the GM, and you handed me 18+mil in cap space, and the 8th pick in the draft, and we came away with Aminu,Gomes,Foye,Butler,Smith and Cook, would I still be your GM?

Point is there's nothing wrong with being optimistic, but the fact is the FO has done a deplorable job of this off-season and as a result I have very little confidence going forward in this FO.

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For me, it's really hard to be optimistic right now in regards to this team. I think barring any major moves, this is the collection of players that we're stuck with. Although I'm not putting much hope into this, some guys on this team (new and old) want to prove that they belong, and when pride's on the line, anything's possible.

I believe the first two months of the season will actually tell us whether or not this team can be competitive. This still isn't a playoff team, but I think the win-total will improve.

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And Ricky Rubio would have been a franchise changer?

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There is too much negativity on this forum. In another thread, someone said "If you follow the Clippers, there's something wrong with you. And there's something wrong with me." We have an immensely bright future to look forward to. We have EJ, BG, and Kaman. That's our big 3. Everyone else are really good role players and who knows what Aminu can amount to. Bledsoe has a lot of promise and he hasn't played a single game. Let's remember Russell Westbrook when he was a turnover machine his first season and the next season, although he didn't significantly lower the number of turnovers, he didn't turn it over during crucial times which led them to put up a fight against the Lakers in the first round. It's time to have faith in your, our YOUNG and DEVELOPING team through thick AND THIN. That's why we're respectable as opposed to Laker fans because we are here through the decades of losing rather than those so called Laker "fans" who hid in a cave during 2005-2007 when they sucked and Kobe wanted out. They were about to jump ship because of 3 losing seasons. And they made it to the playoffs those 3 seasons. Talk about spoiled huh? haha.

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I'm all for optimism, and I hope that BG has a season that falls somewhere between ROY and MVP, but any improvement or success in '10-'11 CANNOT be accredited to the FO. Our signings were horrible!

Just look at what the other teams with cap space achieved. CHI and MIA are instant championship contenders.

Our perennially cheap ownership are determined to run a franchise on a shoestring, seemingly unaware that winning would generate the kind of revenue to make us a force forever.

Where's OUR Steinbrenner or Cuban?

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sometimes an "impact" player works, sometimes he doesn't. this team looks very much likir the okt did last year, and who knew then that kevin d. was going to be the scoring leader at the end of the season! if bg turns out to be half as good as kd was last season, and we have "commited" players who actually want to be here, that sets up good team chemistry, which is almost as important as having a winning record. we have potential great rookies in amini and bledsoe, a new and hopefully fired up coach, and barring injuries, i'm like yaro who started this, i'm excited to see where we will be at the all star break, maybe 20-21, and everyone healthy and "gelling" as a team.let's see what a new coach and the rookies can do, just like thunder did last year, would that keep the pessimists on this blog happy? probably not. but only time will tell, so try to be patient and let's see what happens with what we have, ok?

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Well said Mr Yuroslav#1- repped, if i had a vote on me. Nice to join Clippers TB too.. sup guys

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You have to understand that until we cement a winning tradition, people aren't going to want to come here. It's not like the FO shooed away all the big name free agents just so we can save money. Superstars just don't want to come here. Donald's mindset is more of a businessman than an owner with a desire to win. He lives and dies by the motto of buy and never sell. Sure winning will definitely bring in more revenue but at more of a risk. In Donald's mind, he's still making money off of this team no matter the record because of the market here in LA so why should he invest more and risk his money? So we have to do it through the draft and we have to do it with signings of role players like Foye and Gomes. I know it's not going to lead to immediate success but patience is virtue. For all the bad karma Donald sterling is owed by this world, us Clipper fans are owed more for the decades of losing we had to go through. It all starts with our point guard and I believe Vinny can motivate Baron. Do you remember how hard Baron was playing and we were hovering around .500 because he was motivated to keep our team in contention with the hopes of Blake coming back? Once we found out Blake was out for the season, that's when his desire had died and we went ice cold for the rest of the season. We got this in the bag. Olshey and Roeser did as much as they could to land a star but frankly, how can we compete with teams like the Bulls who have a rich history?

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Some of you guys don't realize just how good Blake Griffin is. He will be on the same level as Dwight Howard. He is a loyal guy who is committed to turning around the Clippers as is Gordon and they will get it done.

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NOW, the Clippers added Blake Griffin who very well could be a top 10 player in the league!!

I have family in Oklahoma, and we've been talkin about Griffin since his first season as a sooner. that being said, How many games has he played in the NBA? Your hoping he comes out the gate outrebounding, blocking, and dunnking on the rest of the league? 1 yr after surgery if he is the future of the league as well as the team the time is now 2 add new pieces so he is not over exerting himself on his freshly surgerized knee and end up like Oden, or overcompensate and injure the other leg allah Andrew Bynum and never really run on all cylinders which hed be capable of if brought back the right way. I feel you fans are blinded by his potential and do not, or have forgotten to, see he still has 2 be introduced and adapt to an 82 game season. Quit pretending his preseason career was enough to tell how amazing he will be, and if that is what you are baseing your assesment on then you are the person at home plying 2k10 thinkn the roster as is will be enough. And if this season is such a forgone conclusion regardless of any other FA signing that is possible for us, (and flowing with the general consensus of the Clipps not being able to compete) then lets just rest him again on the bench and let him recover some more until werr able to compete for a 'SHIP and pick up another lotto pick while werr at it(sarcasm). The problem is not FO its the percentage of Clipps fans whose sports philosophy is not hedged on competeing everyyear and building a strong tradition and history and fighting 4 every win, you keep legitimizing terrible decisions with bullshit logic and let management get away with idiotic moves so LAC remains the butt of each sportcenter joke. It takes blood, sweat and tears to build a champion and it seems most you folks have forgotten about the first 2 and are now addicted to the tears...

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^ I can't help feeling that this summer's FA was Christmas, and I watched all our NBA siblings opening their playstations and new bikes with big smiles - only for us to unwrap another pair of socks!

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It's not about what Blake did during pre-season. It's about his character and work ethic. Those two alone will bring back the blood and sweat to this team (if we ever had it) and hopefully it will lead to tears of joy.

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Welcome, therightway!

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CS97, the best way ( for me) to quote a post is to highlight the part you want and then hit the quote button.

You have the end quote bracket in the front ( they are both the same)

example:

you need to have the first quote bracket without the front slash

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I don't think Blake will be smoking people like Dwight, because Dwight has the size, length athleticism to do it as well, but Blake has some time to get back still... after we get to see him play I think it's a no brainer he will average 16-19pts a game and 8-9 rbs easy his first game.. let along his first season. Gomes, Beard, Kaman, EG, Foye, etc I can see us going 40 games at least, but who knows, it's too early to tell the Western Conf is still loaded eventhough all-stars left. I like our lineup next season, not splashy but it got the job done.

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Other than the Heat and Bulls, what other teams do you really feel came up big in the FA market? Even with the signing of Amare, the Knicks still are a disaster. The Nets also don't have much to show for all the cap space they cleared. In my opinion the Heat and Bulls are the only teams that significantly improved themselves this off season through free agent signings. The Lakers maybe got a little better. The Suns had some solid pick ups, but also lost Amare, so who knows what the net result of the offseason will be for them.

I don't really count teams re-signing their existing players, like Memphis and Atlanta.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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It's not about what Blake did during pre-season. It's about his character and work ethic. Those two alone will bring back the blood and sweat to this team (if we ever had it) and hopefully it will lead to tears of joy.

CS97, the best way ( for me) to quote a post is to highlight the part you want and then hit the quote button.

You have the end quote bracket in the front ( they are both the same)

thanks i didn't know you can just highlight and click quote.

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wink

Another hint:

The same way you highlighted and quoted, is the way to deleted someone else's quote you don't want to respond to. ( when 2 posts are connected).

Just highlight the first bracket (with name) and the end bracket ( everything in between) and just hit delete.

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Injuries happen!! David Robinson once got hurt for an entire season and the outcome was Tim Duncan and championships!!!

Miguel;, You can not ignore the fact that we will have Blake, and added a young prospect with a ridiculously high ceiling in Aminu. He has the length and body of Danny Manny and is only 19 years old! Trading for Bledsoe was also the result of a team banking on the Clippers curse continuing, so that also came from the Blake injury.

You are so far off from the big picture. The Clippers had Blake, Outlaw and Gooden, but those guys went on to get badly overpaid, other than Blake who signed for half his worth to be on a championship team. The Clippers used their cap space to add all quality players, all quality locker room personalities, and most importantly ALL GREAT TRADING PIECES! Foye, Gomes, Butler, and Rhino are all outstanding trade chips when combined with Aminu and/or Bledsoe because of their contract length and price tags. Had the Clippers retained Butler, Outlaw, and Blake they would have 3 players who would never be trade-able and the Clippers roster would be set in stone. That's not a risk I would want to take.

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im happy with our offseason signing with the exception brian cook. i don't want knee mac, shaq or whoever else what named on this site.

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Well, after exploding our roster a couple ot times last year, effectively ending the season to create all kinds of cap space, to go out and sign a top tier free agent, it didn't happen. I understand the plan. And it didn't happen. So what I understand now is that we are going to Plan B because we have to. We have no other choice. Right now, with the exception of Blake coming back, our roster is weaker than it was last year. What we mostly have, after our core, is rookie prospects. So, just like the last 40 years we are back to building something instead of winning something. We might get lucky and pull off a creative trade, but our chances get better if this team is winning. If we are losing, very few of our players will be bargaining chips. If our rookie prospects look like they did during summer league.......good luck.

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NBA TV's David Aldridge summs up the Clippers offseason very well. He ranks the Clippers in the bottom ten (in terms of ten worst off season moves). Although he is a little more lenient on the signing of Gomes, foye, and Cook than I am

L.A. CLIPPERS

2009-10 RECORD: 29-53, third place, Pacific; did not make playoffs.

ADDED: F Al-Faroqu Aminu (first round, eighth pick overall); G Eric Bledsoe (Draft-day trade with Oklahoma City); F Ryan Gomes (three years, $12 million); G Randy Foye (two years, $8 million); F Brian Cook (two years); hired new head coach Vinny Del Negro.

LOST: F Travis Outlaw (signed with New Jersey); G Steve Blake (signed with Lakers); F Drew Gooden (signed with Milwaukee); fired interim head coach Kim Hughes.

RETAINED: F Rasual Butler (one year); F Craig Smith (one year).

THE KEY MAN: F Blake Griffin.

The still-rookie forward has been cleared for full contact after missing all of last season with a knee injury, and that should make the Clippers a much, much better team. His explosiveness around the basket will make All-Star Chris Kaman the king of uncontested follows; he should shoot near 60 percent from the floor with all the open looks he's likely to get. Griffin is a difference-maker and he will make the Clippers a much improved team.

THE SKINNY: No, the Clippers didn't do anything wrong in the offseason; I would have taken Mavs assistant Dwane Casey over Del Negro, but OK. Aminu made sense for a team in desperate need of a small forward (stunningly, LeBron decided not to put his future in Donald Sterling's hands); Bledsoe was a very good pickup and gives the Clips an alternative if Baron Davis goes south again. Gomes and Foye were reasonably-priced signings for depth. No bad moves. But no big moves, either. With that once-only-every-few-years cap space available, L.A. should have been able to make a bigger impact, either through a blue-chip signing or trade.

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You just need to stop being negative and understand the plan...wait what is the plan? Does anyone even know what the hell Olshey is up to? lol Confused

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People who considered Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and Drew Gooden to be a part of the Clippers are ridiculous. They were traded here meaning they didn't choose to be here. We acquired them because they all had expiring contracts at the end of the season. Don't take into account those three as being on our roster last season because at the end of the day, they weren't looking to come back. They just made the most of their opportunity because the Clippers stage is basically an in-season combine for upcoming free agents to showcase their talents. When Steve Blake got that triple-double against the Lakers at the end of the season, his motivation was to show his skill set so that teams would be interested. But you can't blame them.

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Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and Drew Gooden... were traded here meaning they didn't choose to be here. We acquired them because they all had expiring contracts at the end of the season
They were traded and then let loose so we could be under the cap to make an impact in free agency this off season... PLAN FAILED MISERABLY. Baron was brought in so he could run with Brand, Mobley and Kaman on a veteran team that was immediately ready to compete... PLAN FAILED MISERABLY. Charles Smith, Danny Manning, Gary Grant, Ken Norman, Joe Wolf were brought in to form a dynamic young....

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lol i seriously forgot cook was on the roster.

...and skinner

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Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and Drew Gooden... were traded here meaning they didn't choose to be here. We acquired them because they all had expiring contracts at the end of the season
They were traded and then let loose so we could be under the cap to make an impact in free agency this off season... PLAN FAILED MISERABLY. Baron was brought in so he could run with Brand, Mobley and Kaman on a veteran team that was immediately ready to compete... PLAN FAILED MISERABLY. Charles Smith, Danny Manning, Gary Grant, Ken Norman, Joe Wolf were brought in to form a dynamic young....

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They were traded and then let loose so we could be under the cap to make an impact in free agency this off season... PLAN FAILED MISERABLY. Baron was brought in so he could run with Brand, Mobley and Kaman on a veteran team that was immediately ready to compete... PLAN FAILED MISERABLY. Charles Smith, Danny Manning, Gary Grant, Ken Norman, Joe Wolf were brought in to form a dynamic young team that would compete at a high level for a decade. PLAN FAILED MISERABLY. Michael Olowakandi, a project player, was brought in as the # 1 pick to lead the team for....

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SamMays
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Manning became a fade Dominique Wilkins on a one-year deal to the end of his career. Charles Smith became fat Stanley Roberts who never did anything (another project player, by the way)... We had the best young nucleus in the NBA and management frittered it away within two years. But, for a short while, they were great fun to watch... Possibly the two best years we've ever had.

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I didn't read all that because paragraphs weren't your friend.

tense2
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Why are you punishing yourself by being a fan then...wow

SamMays
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^^^ I can't help it... I watch car wrecks too. What can I say? I also stay at the blackjack tables way too long in Vegas... Is there anything else you want to know about what makes me a Clipper fan?

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