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The Pistons like (Josh) Smith -- front office personnel speak openly of getting players who can play above the rim and Smith fits the bill. But it's doubtful they will be able to make any major financial commitments with the team's sale still pending. When the sale becomes official, the Pistons would seriously consider a (Richard) Hamilton-for-Smith swap as it appears Hamilton needs a change of scenery.

But the Pistons likely wouldn't part with (Tayshaun) Prince for Smith. They like Smith better as a player, but Prince's expiring deal is like gold.

Another thing to remember: Smith has a 15% trade kicker worth about $8.7 million that must be paid in a lump sum after he is traded. The bonus can be prorated over the remaining three years for cap purposes, but it's still a financial hit.

Here's another name to consider: Clippers center Chris Kaman. Folks are watching what the Clippers are going to do after their 0-4 start, and the Pistons likely would let Prince go for one of the best centers in the league. Kaman also has a 15% trade kicker -- with a maximum value of $7.5 million -- in his contract.

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i say we give em kaman, baron, a future first for prince and a filler.

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2f79cog

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LOL! We actually are projected to win MORE games losing our starting PG and C. Unreal.

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f79cog

LOL! We actually are projected to win MORE games losing our starting PG and C. Unreal.

yup. We get a starting SF, and pf/c that can possibly be our future starter, and we have to take on rip hamiltons contract, but it's exactly like baron's contract. Rip can come off the bench for ej or something.

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Here's the thing though in all seriousness.

I love Tayshaun. Everyone in Michigan loves Tayshaun ( I live in MI ). However, he'd be a 1 year rental as I doubt with Butler, Gomes and Aminu here we'd re-sign him. So what would we do with the cap space we'd get at the end of this season? Would it be worth it to trade away Kaman just for a 1 year loan? Could be somehow get a draft pick that isn't protected for the better part of a decade?

I just don't see us wanting to do this without looking like complete idiots unless we got say, Stuckey or a draft pick in return along with Tayshaun ( and the pick would have to be this year or next year ).

There's probably not a big chance we'd have the cap space to go after Carmelo Anthony. And with Kaman gone we'd have to hope DeAndre stepped it up right away, otherwise we'd be looking at going after Greg Oden ( LOL ) in the free agent fest in 2011.

Only thing I can think that we would even attempt to trade Kaman to Detroit is just for a quick salary dump so we can give Gordon an extension and lock him up next year.

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But look at Detroit honestly... If they did that trade they'd have...

Stuckey, Bynum, Baron and Gordon all capable of playing the 1 or the 2. Ben Gordon would more than likely be their starting SG as he's playing out of his mind right now. Stuckey is the future of that team and would be starting at point.

Leaving Baron to make 15 mill a year to come off the bench. I just don't see it happening. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE getting Stuckey and Tayshaun for Kaman. I think that's a fair price to pay, as more than likely Kaman would sign an extension with the Pistons as he'd be coming home basically to play. He loves playing at the palace.

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=27zpkjq

I like that trade. Toss in 2 first rounders to the Nuggies from us.

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I don't think Kaman is on their Radar. The author states : "here is another name to consider"

And does Kaman actually have a 15% trade kicker? That's the first I've heard of it.

Here is the original article from Freep.com

http://www.freep.com/article/20101103/S ... ris-Kaman?

Going to the rumor section.

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would be worth it to ship off Kaman if we picked up Greg Monroe in the deal and or a first round pick. Maybe if Pince fts well we would actually resign him.

Priority right now needs to be dump Baron...

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CJ, as a person who has lived in Michigan for the last 10+ years, having lived 10 minutes from the Palace the entire time, soaking up all the Detroit Pistons talk you could imagine I've heard a lot of things over the years. I've heard of C Webb coming years ago ( before he stunk ), Garnett you name it. Pistons fans and the front office loves Chris Kaman.

Kaman went to Central Michigan. Most people in Michigan are Michigan State or Michigan fans, but we all have a soft spot for Central and Western Michigan ( eastern is crap ). Central has done well in Football recently, and Kaman is and always has been a big name around here when it came time to talk about basketball. Detroit teams are very high on drafting, trading for or signing home town players ( well, home state I guess ). Kaman's a home grown NBA All-Star. Take that into account.

Joe Dumars took a big dump a couple years ago when it looked as if they'd be massive players in the 2010 FA frenzy, but then went insane and signed Ben Gordon and Charlie V to big contracts. Everyone was pissed, shocked and he's trying to make up for it. It's crystal clear they need a big man. Ben Wallace isn't bad, but we all know he's old and is literally on his last leg. But, when Ben did depart the Pistons were always on the hunt for a quality big man, even with Rasheed there as he played more along the perimeter.

This is, hell I don't know how many times Kaman to Detroit has been rumored, talked about, discussed etc. For someone that is not only a Clipper fan, an NBA fan but also a native to the area I hear it more than anyone. Even if some random reporter writes up Kaman's name as a potential target the Pistons should go after, it's not just smoke and mirrors this is something that is on the minds of Piston fans, and a real potential trade option.

The Pistons are looking to trade Rip, badly. They realized that big extension they gave him was a bad idea and a huge fiscal blunder. Tayshaun is a very nice asset to trade as well. They've been actively looking for trade partners for either or both of these players for the last couple years ever since they traded Chauncey. Whether its in the press or not, this is something very real.

The Clippers have to make a decision. Kaman's contract is up in 2 years. He'll be 30 and a 3 year deal with a 4th year team or player option isn't a bad idea. He'll be All-Star capable till he's at least 35. However, with how poor we've played the last couple years, Kaman's clear frustration over the years, and Griffin and Gordon being the future here, it may be a good time to really consider shopping Kaman. Someone even posted an article that Kaman is surprised he's still on the team.

I'd love for us to turn into a playoff team and Kaman plays out his entire career here but I just don't see it happening. This isn't fairy tale land. Kaman is in his prime years and is highly valuable. Not to mention his contract is up in 2 years which makes him even more valuable. A highly talented player with a contract that's expiring in 2 years makes whatever price you pay worth it.

So what do we do? The Pistons would more than likely be Kaman's first choice if he had any say in where he played. Do you know how many Kaman jerseys would sell if he got traded here? Christ hes the favorite player of any Piston fan that isnt on the Pistons. Detroit has Austin Daye and Rodney Stuckey who would be nice additions to the roster. Greg Monroe may not be a bad choice either, but he does play the same position as Griffin. Will Bynum is a great backup PG, but we already have Baron and Bledsoe, not to mention Foye.

Tayshaun or Rip would be nice additions. Tayshaun would be a nice acquisition purely because his contract is up after the year is over, making room for a possible extension for Gordon and he would be agreat teacher for aminu. Rip would be a nice addition as well, but he is old and he is getting paid quite a bit of cash.

Keep an eye out as Kaman will likely be asked about this year and next. Detroit may in fact part ways with not only a player, but a draft pick just to get Kaman.

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^^^ Monroe is a center not a PF

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I don't see much on the Pistons roster that I like... Just a lot of overpaid players who they can't win with. I would need a draft pick from them... Or young players Daye or Monroe included... Daye would be an interesting SF candidate... They're trying to play him at PF, but he's out of position...

Maybe Kaman/Aminu or one of our other SF's for Prince/Day or Monroe and a # 1.... Something like that... Prince would leave when his contract expires giving us money to spend (I know, it didn't buy us anything last off season) on a center... Daye becomes our starting SF... He's young and can grow with the team and is a very promising shooter...

There might be something workable in there, but we'd have to get Daye or Monroe, or it doesn't make any sense for us.

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You're right on that assesment. And as bad as Detroit will be this year I think a first round and second round pick would be great compensation for Kaman. I love Chris and he's done a good joib, but he dosen't belong on this team. It's young and he will be on the decline when the kids are at their peak. Also, Chris deserves a shot with a more experienced team anyway. A trade would be good for us

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Kaman for a first and second pick? The Pistons are over the cap. No way in hell that happens.

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Best scenario is we get either Rip or Tayshaun for Kaman and a 2nd rounder. I doubt they'd give up a 1st, and if they did it would be one of those protected picks and we wouldn't see it for years. I think were done with crap like that after waiting the better part of a decade for this Minnesota pick to finally come within our grasp.

And my bad, but Monroe can play the 4 as well. I just wouldn't see us taking on another big man project even if he was offered up in the trade. As I do know the Pistons have entertained the idea of dishing out Chuckie V and giving Austin Daye the reins to be their PF of the future, sort of like a Danny Granger type player at the 4. Long, atheletic, can shoot the 3 and play D.

It would be interesting to see if we did make a move this year, the only real player on our team I could see us parting with would be Kaman. A lot of the vets we signed can't be traded till I believe Dec. and Baron isn't going anywhere.

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I totally forgot about Austin Daye. He would definitely beworth picking up. 6-11 and a great outside shooter. Trading for him and prince and one more Big might definitely be worth it.

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I'm not so sure they'd even consider trading another player with Tayshaun or Rip. If they did it may be hard to pry away Monroe or Daye let alone Daye or Monroe + another player from them.

We do have 1 extra roster slot so we couldn't really do a 3 for 1 deal unless we shipped something off to them as well. Daye would be my pick along with Tayshaun or Rip if we weren't offered a draft pick of some sort. However, the Pistons are really high on Daye and he's performed well for them in the pre season and is coming along rather nicely. Daye to them is going to be like Stuckey, nearly untouchable. I get that feeling a lot.

But, lets not get ahead of ourselves. At this point its still just rumors and people proposing teams make this or that trade. However unlike other trade rumors, the Pistons have been actively watching Chris Kaman for years so there is some credibility to what this guy writes, even if it is just a suggestion.

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If you are going to trade Kaman, got to do it before his next injury. Unless we are going totally to rebuild.....again......our need is for a stud SF who is already on a long term contract.

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Thats a big question mark for our team. We have Griffin and Gordon. 2 highly capable players that are more than likely going to end up at an All Star game or 2 in their careers. Gordon is in year 3, Griffin year 2 ( well basically year 1 ).

Bledsoe is our "future" at PG, DeAndre is our main back up big man, Aminu is our work in progress SF and Warren, well lets forget about Warren I'm not so sure he will be here for long.

But I just named 3 rookies ( 4 if you count Warren ) and 2 guys in their 3rd year. Toss in the 1 and 2 year deals we gave to players like Butler, Gomes, Cook, Foye etc. it looks in all honesty like were rebuilding. But like every team we are stuck with 2 big fatty contracts, and only 1 of those players is doing something to earn the money ( Kaman ).

They signed players like Foye and Gomes to help fill the bench. Butler and Cook fill in nicely as role players, they brought back Craig Smith ( which was very smart IMO ) and traded for Eric Bledsoe. So it seems ALSO they think we can win a bit more now with a more well rounded team, having Baron be our leader and Griffin & Kaman pound it out in the paint.

I agree we need a SF, but the Miami Heat need a whole team after the big 3. A lot of teams have gaps or platoons for certain positions. I am not saying its working for us or them, but it happens. If we move Kaman were in a bit of a jam. We will more than likely end up losing more games than projected as we'd have to have DeAndre step up and start and we wouldn't really have a C of any quality off the bench. However, we would more than likely get cap relief from a player we'd trade for or draft picks.

I think management has already addressed this issue and has brought up the idea of trading Kaman. I think the idea is more of a possibility now than before considering all the youth we have on the team. Risking losing Kaman in 2 years for nothing may worry them, and with a lot of teams highly interested in Kaman over the years you know we could get something nice in return for him.

I expect Kaman to be traded before his contract is up in 2 years, unless we miraculously start winning a ton of games between then and now.

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I actually like this. Our center position will be really raw though.

Probable starting line up!

Pg: EG (he wants go learn the pg spot right?)

sg: rip hamilton

sf: prince

pf: bg

c: monroe or dj? Really iffy on this one though.

Or have Eric bledsoe come in at pg move eg to sg and have Rip come in at 6th man.

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That would be givin kaman away for nothing. No thanks.

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Best scenario is we get either Rip or Tayshaun for Kaman and a 2nd rounder.

That would be givin kaman away for nothing. No thanks.

Tayshauns contract expires after this year. Marc Gasol becomes a RFA after this year. Gasol wants out of Memphis. We could make a play for Gasol with that spare change we have. And if we got say a 2nd rounder, it would more than likely be high. We could potentially draft someone of value there, or use that pick to trade up in the draft.

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exactly the entire point of this is to dump baron and kaman and get a bad contract in return(because we HAVE to), get monroe, (possibly future starting center), and get an expiring prince.

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Best scenario is we get either Rip or Tayshaun for Kaman and a 2nd rounder.

That would be givin kaman away for nothing. No thanks.

Tayshauns contract expires after this year. Marc Gasol becomes a RFA after this year. Gasol wants out of Memphis. We could make a play for Gasol with that spare change we have. And if we got say a 2nd rounder, it would more than likely be high. We could potentially draft someone of value there, or use that pick to trade up in the draft.

Unfortunately, after this last summer, I have no confidence that any FAs that other teams actually want will come here. That's the problem with any plan that banks on being able to sign someone like Gasol. I think we have to get pieces through the trade itself, not by acquiring cap space. So, I'd be on board for a Kaman trade only if we could get Daye or Monroe or even Stuckey has part of it.

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why do you guys assume that memphis WON'T match an offer to marc gasol. it doesn't matter if he doesn't want to be there. brand didn't want to be here is 2003, that's why he signed an offer sheet with miami. but we didn't care if he wanted to be here or not, we matched his offer sheet anyways. that's what the grizzlies will do this summer.

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The 1st Priority is dump Kaman then explore options on moving Baron. Prince would be that short-term solution to are SF issue too.

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Priority right now needs to be dump Baron...

The 1st Priority is dump Kaman then explore options on moving Baron. Prince would be that short-term solution to are SF issue too.

If the Clippers dump Kaman, it will create a bigger problem of not having a center, which is more important.

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The way Kaman has been playing lately we're better off with DJ @ the 5.

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DJ looked awful last game and brings nothing to the table offensively. Last game the Spurs had Bobby Simmons guard him for a stretch.

I've got no problem with Kaman. His shot isn't falling, but it's not for lack of effort. He busted his ass and came into camp in great shape. He's a little slow on his rotations right now because our wing defenders can't keep their man in front of them. Guards are driving at will and they're leaving open to many three point shooters. Last game Kaman started to get the ball in the same spots he was last year and he started to find his stroke again.

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If the Clippers dump Kaman not having a center won't matter. It will be a frank admission that we're not playing for this year, but are building for the future and will find a center later.

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