If you could, would you trade Kaman?

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Taylor
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I can't create a poll and I believe I've done threads like this before. Let's forget some random sports writer suggested the Pistons trade for Kaman for a moment.

Chris is a fine basketball player. He made the All Star team last year and should have made it a few seasons ago. When he's on, he's on fire. He's a top 5 C in the league and truly one of the few true centers in the league that can put up numbers on both ends of the floor.

So let's take a moment to give everyone some information for those less informed...

His contract is up in 2 years.

Detroit HAS actively expressed interest in Kaman in the past and would truly love him for multiple reasons.

When it was brought up 2 years back I believe, nearly every team in the league inquired about trading for him when a rumor popped up he may be on the market.

We have a little wiggle room in terms of cap space and Kaman makes a perfect salary for a player that performs as well as he does at his position.

He plays a position that a lot of teams highly lack in terms of quality and in terms of a true center.

That being said would you trade Kaman? Or do we go with the team we have now, hope we win and hope to sign him to either an extension or re-sign him in 2 years? I get the vibe yearly Kaman isn't very happy with the team. We lose constantly. We always get hyped up and it always seems that we cannot possibly have a poor team, yet we always do. We can't finish ball games. Were the laughing stock in all of sports history.

Kaman is 28 years old, and to me he has 7 good years left in the tank at being a productive, starting, All-Star caliber Center that can really help teams that are looking for a big run in the playoffs. When he's happy he's a monster and he's motivated. If he's traded I'd imagine to whatever team he goes to ( more than likely a team that would win more games with him ) he would sign a deal to either extend his contract or just re-sign with them in 2 years when his contract is up, thus locking down a position for that team for years to come.

Here we are, for once very thin in the big man category. If we trade Kaman it's up to DeAndre to step it up. We cannot bank on getting another big man of quality in a trade so we'd be looking at another painful season. Only plus side is potentially getting a high draft pick to get another young Center and continue with the youth movement, or make a run at Marc Gasol this summer. Kaman could yield us potential cap space if we got expiring contracts after this season, he could also bring in draft picks or a couple good players to bring us some more talent.

One thing I would like to point out is that Al Horford is still playing out of his natural position on Atlanta, and they've been starved for a big man for years. If we could somehow make a move for Josh Smith for Kaman, I think both teams would be happy. Both players have trade kickers in their contracts. Smith can play the 3 where he was naturally playing at before being moved to PF. Atlanta could move Horford back to PF, Kaman to C and have JJ play the 2 or the 3. This would make Atlanta an even bigger threat as they would now have a true big man to go up against Orlando and Boston who we all know, have quality big men.

Smith was a player we were somewhat interested in a couple of years ago. Smith did want out of Atlanta and there is some tension there. However, bringing in Smith would leave us with Gomes, Aminu and Butler all able to play the 3, overloading us. However, Butler can play the 2 and Gomes can play the 4 in a small lineup. Gomes is strong enough and has experience at the 4 in the past.

This is all just hypothetical. Detroit has some good options for us as well. Rip or Tayshaun wouldn't be bad fits, however Rips contract is kind of a downer. If we got either player + either a draft pick or one of their youngsters ( Daye or Monroe ) I think that wouldn't be a bad deal either.

Although Dallas does have Haywood and Chandler, you know Dirk loves Kaman and I dont think it would matter to Marc Cuban if they had an overload at the C spot. Caron Butler could easily be a nice addition, he's also in a contract year and would fill the 3 spot up nicely.

There are near endless trade possibilities for Kaman. But to answer my own question in the post, I think it would be in the teams best interest when it gets near the trade deadline ( praying he's healthy and performing well ) to move Kaman. I don't bring this up because were 0-4 and I am saying scrap the season. I still believe we can win 35+ games this year. However I do feel that Kaman is a giant asset that we have that could really bring in some very nice pieces for this team.

We have to face facts here. I stated above we have a young team and his contract is running out. Most all of us love Kaman and we've had to see a lot of fan favorites or quality players go over the teams history. But think ahead, can we win right now with this team and make it to the playoffs if we kept him? Or should we get some cap relief, potential draft pick(s) or young players to build around Gordon and Griffin ( our very own 2 headed monster )?

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I would trade him for a bag of chips, then let you keep the chips. He is a black hole on offense and non existent on defense. How many times after a play do you see him point and start to make excuses? When Dunleavy or Del Negro tries to point something out, usually a defensive rotation, he argues and starts with his excuses.

Calling him an All Star is a joke. The league is devoid of centers. Much easier to put up numbers on a crap team. Remember when Olowakandi was putting up 20 and 9, then was considered an All Star snub. The tv experts DO NOT watch the West Coast games. They look at a stat sheet and think wow good player. They never see how he lets Juwan Howard go 8-10 with a highlight dunk in his face. Or let EVERY point guard take it to the hole without putting one on his back.

He is the biggest guy on the court and plays like the smallest. If he ever raged and used his body he could be very good. Instead his shots consist of 15 foot jumpers, or a lay up chance that he turns into a six foot fade away. Did you see his dunk in the first game? Even he was shocked. When he does grab an offensive rebound where he either immediately takes a dribble (first thing you teach a big to never do), or he flips up a shot in hopes of it falling. Next game watch his screens. He may try to set 20, but he will only set 2 good ones. Sometimes the PG's fault for not waiting for the pick.

On defense he is always half a step to a step late. He will block a shot or two, but he will give up six to ten easy baskets that he should have at least altered. Notice in the limited time played how many DeAndre alters. The main shot you will see of Kaman is him catching the ball as it goes through the net.

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It really depends on what we would get in return. If trading him would mean a significant upgrade at the SF for even PG position, I would consider it. But I wouldn't just give him away.

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Joe would do it for Al Thornton, and maybe even Daniel Ewing or Quentin Richardson lol

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yes i would trade kaman, but 1st ill start with baron davis. brian cook must go too. i hope olsley looks at this site. we should start with detroit, chicago, indiana & new jersey even charlotte.

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No Just............Baron DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Chris Kaman at least plays hard and streches the floor.

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I'd only trade him if it helped accomplish something for us.

I'd do a deal with the Pistons for Monroe and change. This would help us rebuild and our future front line would consist of Griffin, Monroe, and Jordan.

I'd also offer Detroit Kaman and Baron for Prince and Hamilton. Kaman is the best piece in the deal, but we get to unload Baron for two role players that would bring a good attitude to the team and Prince is expiring. Hamilton's contract is just as bad as Baron's, but this would allow Ben Gordon and Stuckey to play more off the ball with Baron running the show.

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Yes in a heartbeat. I'm telling as soon as we bring a BIG in here that works well with Baron(i.e. Camby & Z-bo) the minor issues will cease to exist.

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I would say that it's Baron that's the minor issue here. But the truth is, Baron is the major issue.

Funny how no one complained about Kaman during the playoff run. The only difference is that he's been moved up to secondary and even primary scorer, which should not be his role.

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^^^ Right, because we were so much better when Camby and Z-Bo were here.

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I've got no problem with Kaman. His shot isn't falling, but it's not for lack of effort. He busted his ass and came into camp in great shape. He's a little slow on his rotations right now because our wing defenders can't keep their man in front of them. Guards are driving at will and they're leaving open to many three point shooters. Last game Kaman started to get the ball in the same spots he was last year and he started to find his stroke again.

Like I said above.... I'd only move Kaman if it helped us achieve something else.

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We were way better than this squad. lol

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Nope. It's only four games in, wee don't need to have a knee jerk reaction to everything.

Players don't lose their shot in less than a month. Kaman was hitting all his shots in preseason. He shot will come, he looks like he is forcing the issue right now. He needs to be more like EJ, do other things when your shot is not falling. EJ is is hitting 14% from the 3 ( in volume) but he still has an overall good field %. Kaman just needs to concentrate on defense and let the offense come to him. If Bledsoe plays tonight, he needs to penetrate and give him easy hoops. If he gets a few under his belt, I'll bet he has a great offensive game.

Oh, and if EJ's shot starts falling, you can bet Kaman gets easy hoops. I think right now, all teams are clogging the paint knowing we don't have outside threats. That's why it's vital that we get things going from the outside. The more shots we hit, the better for kaman and BG.

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no way I'd trade Kaman right now. Not because I think he's got a future here, because I don't. I don't move him now because his value is at an all-time low. Would be a terrible mangement move. Same bodes true for BD. (Though Boom's got a special place in my heart, so that'd be even harder).

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Camby is not a scorer and Z-Bo was here less than half a season. he got his usual 20-10 but c'mon, who else did we have? Kaman was out most of the season. EJ was just in his first year. We have a worse team now than we had when Z-bo was here. Chris Paul would be crying right now if he had the talent we've had the last 3 years. Paul wanted to leave the players he had during that great season they had a few years ago, this off-season. In a time when some of the best players are crying to leave play-off teams, you have a guy taking all the crap from fans and saying basically nothing.

Baron hasn't merited much but he hasn't been that big of a distraction. VDN is the guy going public, not Baron. Even when asked, he doesn't go off on VDN, he tales responsibility. He isn't a Melo holding his team hostage, he isn't Paul trying to get on the FA bandwagon and trying to ride LBJ's coattail. Nash recently said that if he was an outsider, he would bet against the Suns not making the play-offs. All these guys have been with their teams for ages and as soon there is a bit of change, they go put their heads in their pillows.

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journeyman wrote:
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Yes in a heartbeat. I'm telling as soon as we bring a BIG in here that works well with Baron(i.e. Camby & Z-bo) the minor issues will cease to exist.

I would say that it's Baron that's the minor issue here. But the truth is, Baron is the major issue.

Funny how no one complained about Kaman during the playoff run. The only difference is that he's been moved up to secondary and even primary scorer, which should not be his role.

He's been moved because there is no one else.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Yes in a heartbeat. I'm telling as soon as we bring a BIG in here that works well with Baron(i.e. Camby & Z-bo) the minor issues will cease to exist.

I would say that it's Baron that's the minor issue here. But the truth is, Baron is the major issue.

Funny how no one complained about Kaman during the playoff run. The only difference is that he's been moved up to secondary and even primary scorer, which should not be his role.

He's been moved because there is no one else.

True dat. And if you can get that go-to guy for Kaman, then you do it. But I would not trade Kaman away just to accommodate Baron.

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journeyman wrote:

He's been moved because there is no one else.

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True dat. And if you can get that go-to guy for Kaman, then you do it. But I would not trade Kaman away just to accommodate Baron.

Agreed.

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MJSF wrote:
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^^^ Right, because we were so much better when Camby and Z-Bo were here.

We were way better than this squad. lol

Considering no team with Zach or Camby won even 30 games, I don't think I'm ready to say that yet. Maybe you'll end up being right, but I think its too early to say.

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^^^ Right, because we were so much better when Camby and Z-Bo were here.

Camby is not a scorer and Z-Bo was here less than half a season. he got his usual 20-10 but c'mon, who else did we have? Kaman was out most of the season. EJ was just in his first year. We have a worse team now than we had when Z-bo was here. Chris Paul would be crying right now if he had the talent we've had the last 3 years. Paul wanted to leave the players he had during that great season they had a few years ago, this off-season. In a time when some of the best players are crying to leave play-off teams, you have a guy taking all the crap from fans and saying basically nothing.

Baron hasn't merited much but he hasn't been that big of a distraction. VDN is the guy going public, not Baron. Even when asked, he doesn't go off on VDN, he tales responsibility. He isn't a Melo holding his team hostage, he isn't Paul trying to get on the FA bandwagon and trying to ride LBJ's coattail. Nash recently said that if he was an outsider, he would bet against the Suns not making the play-offs. All these guys have been with their teams for ages and as soon there is a bit of change, they go put their heads in their pillows.

I see what you're saying, but Baron really isn't in a position to complain the way the rest of those guys are. They have actually been producing on the court and getting their teams to win, for the most part. I'm not defending any of those guys because I don't like all the whining either, but -- the way things stand now -- comparing Baron to CP3, Melo and Nash is apples to oranges.

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Hi all. Back after a long while under a new monniker(old one was lo!). Would like to chime in on the Kaman trade question. First off Kaman does a lot of horrible things that don't show up in just stats. He blanks out at the worst possible moments, he gets outrebounded by guards becuase he rarely jumps for rebounds like he used to his first two seasons, and he rarely shows any backbone when tested(i.e. just dunking the ball).

With that said, I would have a hard time trading Kaman because it would be hard to replace him at his position, or his production. If I had to trade him, I would really try to pry Iggy for Kaman. I think that would be good for both teams, and Brand did some of his best work beside Kaman. Iggy would solve most of our problems at the 2 and 3, and would end the Carmelo talk. It would also allow us to use a Gordon, Iggy backcourt. Take it one step further and we could do a bledsoe, gordon, iggy, aminu, griffin lineup which would be uber atheletic and not to shabby defensively.

I definetlly would not want anything Detroit has to offer.

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ClipfanSince88 wrote:
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^^^ Right, because we were so much better when Camby and Z-Bo were here.

We were way better than this squad. lol

Considering no team with Zach or Camby won even 30 games, I don't think I'm ready to say that yet. Maybe you'll end up being right, but I think its too early to say.

Memphis? Portland?

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Portland had Randolph and they won a bunch of games.

Denver had Camby and I am pretty sure they won a bunch of games as well.

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Baron and Kaman for Prince, Daye, and and maxiel

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I would trade him for any big that just wanted to rebound and play defense, maybe catch and occasional lob. Thats the kinds of big that work well in VDN system.

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Kaman has been horrible through the first 5 games. But compared to his career numbers, it's hard to believe that he won't get out of his funk. In the mean time, tonight shows that the team can still win with Kaman shooting badly. VDN just needs to make him the 5th option, for starters.

Bledsoe

Gordon

Gomes

Griffin

Kaman

Give it time. This could be fun.

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Kaman and everyone for that matter is tradeable for the right price. I don't see him as the piece that has to go right now. To me that's Baron. I don't have the patience to watch Baron play anymore.

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