Iguodala almost traded for Kaman?

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just trolling the 76ers board and found this interesting piece of information. supposedly if kaman didn't get injured the sixers would've pulled the trigger on a iguodala for kaman swap.

IMO if it was straight up i don't think it would've been good unless we got Speights and had them take butler or gomes


EDIT: whoops its been mentioned already so one of you mods can delete this. sorry been taking a clipper break these past two weeks only been watching highlights of griffin's dunks Shocked

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^ exactly...we'd need some other key guys in it if we are giving up kaman... because he have no one basically in the center position. If we got rid of kaman for iggy, we would need to 1 get rid of one of our sf's either butler or gomes, and then we would have had to pick up a big from them or on the market, but idk if there is still a big on the market that would actually be better than DJ, so all in all, idk if that would have been a good trade.

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A month ago, I would've said yes to this. But after seeing Aminu improve each game, and with DJ/Collins not stepping up at the center spot, I'd rather keep Kaman. At least until an offer comes along where that's a solid big and wing player included.

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I think I'd do this trade. Like everyone else, I liked this trade better a few weeks ago. I'd still do it right now though.

Iguodala is a much better player than Kaman and is a much more valuable asset to acquire. Sure we'd have a hole at the center spot, but I'll worry about that later.

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i think we would definitely need another big in the equation, and speights or hawes could facilitate that pretty well for us.

I really do like how Aminu is playing but Iggy is an all around great player both on D and offense and is a great facilitator.

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I think it's great that we were open to moving Kaman(if true) for Iggy, I still feel that we would have to get Hawes back so the deal would have to be expanded. This could just be some posturing by Ed. S. countering an offer of BD(more likely). Regardless how it gets done, I feel this is the player we need to go after. He would immediately solve our starter problem at the 3, and our bench woes at the 2. The jury is still out on Foye but he would be more of a 1 if BD were moved.

The most important thing that Iggy would do for this team is improve IQ on D, and ball movement. These two things will win us more games as we have seen them being two of our biggest problems in previous games. We would also need a better ball handler and facilitator if BD were moved. We have way to many sgs posing as pgs on this team.

I am all for keeping kaman if he can realize that his role and focus on this team should be the same as when we went to the playoffs. Shooting off of Brand's(Griffin's), or Cassell(Gordon's) pass as the third option. Getting his boards and playing good D. If he hasn't figured this out from his time watching this team come together, then it's time to say goodbye.

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I would prefer having no center than adding Hawes to the team. Hawes is really soft and will give the coach and fans headaches.

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With Kaman set to return tonight, and Baron recently returning... anyone have any rumors of either of these guys being traded?

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This is the only thing I've heard recently.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... de-ru.html

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No way, even with Hawes or Speights in the mix. Iggy's contract is atrocious and we will need a lot of cap space soon. Kaman fit way better with our current roster than Iggy does, and I think AFA will become at least as good as him in a few time.

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BD was a massive mistake from the EB byebye and nobody else will bail us out of this one, live with what he gives and ignore the rest.

tense2
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...yes, but he was the Clipper's 1st "big" FA signing right?.....right?....hello...hello...Bueller...Bueller

Afm
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If this trade happens, it'll be brand and kaman once again playing together

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How is Iggy on the injury report? Does he stay on the floor. One thing you can count on for sure with Kaman is that he will be injured most of the time.

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i would of loved that trade.. i think DJ can cover alot of minutes and blake can also play center... Iggy will mean that we have another slasher and shooter....

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Just Sayin

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^^^ i would not trade AFA.. i think he can be ower best shooter in the future and good scorer and his defense will come along... if i would trade it would be straight up Kaman for iggy

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Those trades work, but I dont think any trade with Philly is a good idea. If we keep aminu and get Iguodala, he's going to be benched basically forever. I havent been a big AFA fan, but we need to either declare him as our SF or lose him.

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NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
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^^^ i would not trade AFA.. i think he can be ower best shooter in the future and good scorer and his defense will come along... if i would trade it would be straight up Kaman for iggy

Those trades work, but I dont think any trade with Philly is a good idea. If we keep aminu and get Iguodala, he's going to be benched basically forever. I havent been a big AFA fan, but we need to either declare him as our SF or lose him.

just like the lakers are big on steve blake and shannon brown... are the lakers thinking wait we cant have kobe and shannon brown.. we gotta get rid of one of them.. or steve with fisher..

I think we can have AFA and iggy.... since afa is a rookie.. with 15 min he would be good and the rest for iggy and gomes...

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Greenmonk94 wrote:
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^^^ i would not trade AFA.. i think he can be ower best shooter in the future and good scorer and his defense will come along... if i would trade it would be straight up Kaman for iggy

Those trades work, but I dont think any trade with Philly is a good idea. If we keep aminu and get Iguodala, he's going to be benched basically forever. I havent been a big AFA fan, but we need to either declare him as our SF or lose him.

just like the lakers are big on steve blake and shannon brown... are the lakers thinking wait we cant have kobe and shannon brown.. we gotta get rid of one of them.. or steve with fisher..

I think we can have AFA and iggy.... since afa is a rookie.. with 15 min he would be good and the rest for iggy and gomes...

I don't know about that. Where we used to be thin at SF, now we would have a logjam with Iguodala, Rasual, Gomes and AFA. We need to lose AFA, Ras or gomes if we really want him.

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C: DJ Griffin, cook can also play that position. Collins

PF Cook craig Blake Griffin

SF AFA Gomes igudola

G foye eric Sool

PG baron ERic bledsoe Warren

I think this could work out for us like this

murry43
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God I hope not! Kaman is an allstar! Their stats are similar with Kaman better at rebounding and one more year in the league. Kamans game has improved with each year and DJ hands aren't any better! Let's wait and see how his game unfolds after injury and watching the guys improve dramatically from one game to the next. I am not ready to give up on Chris just yet!! And not for Iguodala. Kaman plays hard 38 0r 40 min and I mean hard!!!

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if we would trade for Melo, somehow AFA would have to be included. But i dont think im willing to risk baron and kaman.

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I'd keep Aminu and trade Butler and Gomes, and Foye too if I could (man we should've never signed them) Iguodala can play 2 or 3. So he could start at the 3 and relieve EG at the 2, and Aminu comes off the bench for him the next year or 2. Yet really I'd keep Kaman. 10mil for an All-Star Center is cheap. I'd only trade a top 5 center for at least a top 5 SF.Melo,Granger and that's about it.

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Butler and Gomes are THE BENCH AND IMPROVING. Melo no way!

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You nailed it, smoove.

I challenge anyone to name 5 better centers than Kaman - especially at his asking price.

Wish I could wake up from the nightmare of having signed a couple of wolves rejects as our 'big' FA acquisitions.

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i would trade anyone on the team except Griffin andBledsoe if that meant Carmelo comes here.with an extension of course.Gordon is playing great right now,but he is no Carmelo.he doesn't get the superstar treatment that Carmelo gets.how many times has he turned the ball over in pressure situations?or not get calls when he gets hacked?when was the last time that happened to Carmelo?look,i loved Gordon but if it would bring Carmelo here with an extension,i'd do it.how about Carmelo,Afflalo,and Billups for Gordon,Aminu,Baron,Kaman and Clippers pick next year.they can then parlay Billups to a contender for a decnt center.not sure if the salaries match or anything but just an idea.

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You guys are always talking TRADE! Melo last night almost or we will see tore Blakes rotator on a stupid foul which should have been a flagrant! No way Melo on this team. His attitude sucks! And No Way trade anyone. Give these guys a chance. They are young and playing hard right now as a team!!!

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cleepers wrote:
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I'd keep Aminu and trade Butler and Gomes, and Foye too if I could (man we should've never signed them) Iguodala can play 2 or 3. So he could start at the 3 and relieve EG at the 2, and Aminu comes off the bench for him the next year or 2. Yet really I'd keep Kaman. 10mil for an All-Star Center is cheap. I'd only trade a top 5 center for at least a top 5 SF.Melo,Granger and that's about it.

You nailed it, smoove.

I challenge anyone to name 5 better centers than Kaman - especially at his asking price.

Wish I could wake up from the nightmare of having signed a couple of wolves rejects as our 'big' FA acquisitions.

...ok, here are my choices for the 5 better centers:

Horford: PER 25, LTPER 17.7, $5,444,857, AGE 24

Noah: PER 20.9, LTPER 17.2, $3,128,536, AGE 25

M.Gasol: PER 18.3, LTPER 18, $3,580,247 AGE 25

Hibbert: PER 21, LTPER 16.9, $1,685,280 AGE 24

B.Lopez: PER 17.2, LTPER 18.9, $2,413,320 AGE 22

Kaman: PER 11.5, LTPER 14.3, $11,300,00 AGE 28

...then there's the obvious choice..D.Howard. I did not put Bynum in due to his injury, but he'd be one of my choices, along with maybe Bogut.

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that may be true and he did look like he tried to hurt Blake,but where are his teammates?if you had an Artest or a Dale Davis on your squad,Melo would be in the second row.that being said,i think i would like to have a player like that on my team.now i am not saying i want to see anyone hurt,i'm just saying to commit hard fouls and show a little attitude .the Clippers need some toughness.sure Blake is tough but he does need a little mean in him.that will let other teams know that they can't just push him around and get away with it.the refs aren't helping him much.Melo would give them credibility.Gordon is good but he does not command double teams the way Melo does.the edge i would give to Gordon would be on the salary issue.Melo makes way more and provides a little more than Gordon does but i would bite the bullet on this one and make that trade if it is on the table.he is the superstar we always wished we had,in his prime.and he plays the positon in which the Clippers are very thin at.if we can keep Gordon,great.if he has to be part of the trade,i'd do it.

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I wouldn't call that a logjam. We would have depth at the wing for the first time in forever. Iggy is a 2-3. Sool is a 2-3. I'd love to see Gomes riding the pine the entire game as the 12th man on the bench.

We just go with a 3man rotation at 2-3 with Eric, Iggy and AFA off the bench. Sool plays on occasion when we need somebody to chuck a few...Gomes never gets in the game.

I'd give them a future 2nd rounder if they'd throw in Speights.

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I wouldn't call that a logjam. We would have depth at the wing for the first time in forever. Iggy is a 2-3. Sool is a 2-3. I'd love to see Gomes riding the pine the entire game as the 12th man on the bench.

We just go with a 3man rotation at 2-3 with Eric, Iggy and AFA off the bench. Sool plays on occasion when we need somebody to chuck a few...Gomes never gets in the game.

I'd give them a future 2nd rounder if they'd throw in Speights.

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Yeah that is all good when the guy only gets a tech for sticking up for his teammate but if u want BG to go in and stick up for someone and get tossed from the game for it, that puts us at even a bigger disadvantage. Yes our players need to get in there especially guys like gomes, cook, DJ who all could necessarily afford to get tossed to energize the team, but i would be pissed if BG got tossed for reacting to a foul. That would kill our chance to win any game.

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Good point JC. I think it needs to be a vet, Kaman,Sool,etc. The refs usually will give them more rope.

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i'm not saying for Blake to get crazy and get tossed but to show a little more anger.i do like the fact that he is composed and does not lose his temper.i just think the other teams know this about him so they continue to beat up on him.maybe on a blow out game or something he can go off on someone and let the rest of the league see what happens when you push him too far.i do agree with your point of letting someone else do the job.maybe Gomes,Butler or even Craig Smith.wouldn't mind losing Butler or Gomes for the rest of the game.just can't let them continue to beat up on your best player and you just stand and watch as he lies on the floor.Melo did it twice last night and Devon Harris did it last time.there are others,though not as obvious.guys are taking cheap shots at Blake and it sure looks like they are trying to injure the guy.because he jumps so high,it won't take long before someone undercuts him and really hurts him bad.he is a tough kid and he has gotten up from really hard falls but it only takes one bad break to injure him long term.i'd rather not see this type of behavior but if teams are going to employ this strategy,then he or his teammates must defend him.

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Sure wish we could've traded away that stiff (kaveman) for Iggy.

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i wouldnt mind

maybe speights n igoudala for kaman and....?

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kaman and foye

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Lets try to get Louis Williams and Iggy. Lou Wills is much better than Bledsoe ever will be. He can shoot all over, he's extremely talented, super quick, gets to the line a ton, and can pass.

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cleepers wrote:
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I'd keep Aminu and trade Butler and Gomes, and Foye too if I could (man we should've never signed them) Iguodala can play 2 or 3. So he could start at the 3 and relieve EG at the 2, and Aminu comes off the bench for him the next year or 2. Yet really I'd keep Kaman. 10mil for an All-Star Center is cheap. I'd only trade a top 5 center for at least a top 5 SF.Melo,Granger and that's about it.

You nailed it, smoove.

I challenge anyone to name 5 better centers than Kaman - especially at his asking price.

Wish I could wake up from the nightmare of having signed a couple of wolves rejects as our 'big' FA acquisitions.

I feel the same way about the Gomes, Foye and Cook signings, but there may be a silver ligning to that cloud. If I'm not mistaken each of those guys are onyl signed for like two year deals, which makes them attractive to teasm who want out of a big deal. Things can always change and a team may want to get rid of a contract and that's where we can capitalize on these signings

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...Gomes has a 3 year contract....

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I feel the same way about the Gomes, Foye and Cook signings, but there may be a silver ligning to that cloud. If I'm not mistaken each of those guys are onyl signed for like two year deals, which makes them attractive to teasm who want out of a big deal. Things can always change and a team may want to get rid of a contract and that's where we can capitalize on these signings

...Gomes has a 3 year contract....

Aw man! TEnse2, this is such horrible news. Our front office is ridiculous

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funny you say that because when Lou williams was first in the league, he barely made it. I actually know that firsthand from talking to him his first year in the league.

Bledsoe is much better than Lou Williams at the same age, so its easy to say that Lou is a lot better now but Bledsoe shows more upside IMO.

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