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TIME: 03:30 P.M. EST VENUE: STAPLES Center "The Utah Jazz are proving they belong among the Western Conference elite. They haven't resembled that when visiting the lowly Los Angeles Clippers. Coming off two of their more impressive performances of the season, the Jazz look to avoid another letdown against the Clippers at Staples Center on Sunday. Utah (12-5) has won 12 of 15 after opening the season with consecutive losses. The club has turned up the defensive intensity and been very effective from 3-point range during its current four-game win streak. Utah has held opponents to 90.0 points per game while shooting 44.1 percent from....

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This will be a tough game.

This is a game I think if Baron & kaman don't play, or play significant minutes were gonna lose.

I've spoken my hatred towards Baron, Bledsoe & Kaman in the past but the fact remains. Bledsoe is talented, but has his flaws. Baron is a cancer to the team, but who would you rather have? Baron and Bledsoe? Or Bledsoe & Foye? Kaman has been in my dicsussions and others for a trade but he's still a favorite of mine and a viable player on this team.

If Baron or Kaman plays, that would be great. Jefferson and Millsap are big time players in the NBA. These 2 provide high quality depth in the frontcourt of the Jazz and I got a feeling Griffin & Jordan could get in real early foul trouble trying to guard these 2.

Baron would give us depth at the PG position as I am sure if he even played against Utah, he'd back up Bledsoe in his return.

What we need is solid inside play, and our bigs to remain out of foul trouble. I don't want to have to see Collins and Cook out there for more than 5-12 minutes in this game. We need to capatilize on Raja Bells injury and poor play and hope Gordon can hit the 3 ball and create foul shots.

We should have won the game we played against them previously but hey, were the Clippers, we kill ourselves at times.

A win against Utah would be a big step forward and create some serious momentum especially with Baron and Kaman on the brink of returning to our team. We may only be a 3 win team but Baron and Kaman are easily sparked by a few wins.

Our keys to victory lie on a few things...

Griffin remaining out of foul trouble and out rebounding 2 athletic bigs, and creating, and following through on his scoring / free attempts.

Gordon has to be lights out.

Aminu has to play great D against Miles and Kirelinko.

If Baron & Kaman aren't in the game, DJ has to step it up, box out and allow Griffin to get the boards. Bledsoe has just to just play it cool against Utah and do his best to lock down Deron Williams. Williams isn't the best defender, but Bledsoe has to keep in mind he isn't the best offensive threat we have. His erratic attempts at driving the lane have caused extremely bad shots and resulted in big time fast break points for other teams. Bledsoe has to be a distributor in this game, rely on quick easy buckets rather than trying to create shots for himself.

We need Gomes, Butler and Smith to shoot at a high percentage and we should win this game. To take 1 against Utah would be huge. We've been competitive against Portyland and Utah, as well as Detroit. 3 games we should and could have won. Beating Utah this time around would be huge for us. Our guys have to not look at our record, but think every game is opening night, were 0-0 and so is the other team.

Play hard, play with intensity, play smart, but more importantly, slow things down and allow our offense to create the opportunities it has been creating in recent games and we get a win.

Go Clipps!

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Bledsoe out = no transition offense whatever, meaning we're going to get killed by Deron and Jefferson tomorrow. Not to mention Milsap will make us look like D-Leaguers with his miracle three-show.

But I'm still going to watch it because I'm a Clippers fan until die, and it's my team damn it. I'm praying for a 30 point game from one of Griffin, Gordon, Aminu, or if it all goes well, maybe two of them. Hopefully Foye plays like we know he can (since he is our "Back-up" 1), and our bench puts in a good game with solid defense.

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Well, considering I'm going to the game today, I'm hoping it will at least be close. Warren has played decently in the time he's gotten, so as long as he doesn't try to do too much, we might be ok between him, Foye and Gordon at the 1. Baron should only play if he's absolutely ready physically -- otherwise he's not worth much. Williams and Jefferson will get there's -- I'm just hoping we stop guys like CJ Miles, Bell, etc. from hitting 3s. If we do that, we'll have a chance.

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Ej and bg need to have monster games, gomes and cook need to step up and drain 3's like in the pheonix game, aminu has tk drain a couple of 3's, and I think Willie Warren will have a good game tonight.

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Utah, I think, will double Blake and keep him from going off in a big way... He'll get his 18 and 12, but it will be up to the rest of the team to hit shots if we're going to have a chance... To beat Utah, we'll really have to shoot well from deep... This game is on Gordon, Aminu, Gomes and Butler... And, with Gordon mired in a shooting slump from deep, there isn't much cause for optimism... But one can hope.

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it shows bledsoe as questionable tonight.... I want him to play lol

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I don't want to see BG getting bullied by millsap again. And EB is playing!

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2 fouls in 15 seconds...

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3 fouls in 29 seconds, thanks refs

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Refs are pulling the same crap that they did the other night. We stop guarding people because they blow the whistle. All three foul calls were bad...

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Then they slap down on DJ's hands, and they don't call it LOL

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i've never seen anyone travel as much as aminu does.

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Wow!!! Our 3's are falling in amazingly today!

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2 AND1's in a row for BG!!!! he's gonna drop 50 tonight at this pace!!!

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Blake "the youtube sensation" Griffin Very Happy

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Despite the record, this is the most fun I've had watching the Clippers since our '06 Playoff run. Love the way they're playing right now.

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yeah everyone is making threes today,except Rasual Butler.HE SUCKS!get him out of there.

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Blake Griffin,MVP!

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So much for my thought that Utah would be able to take Griffin out of the games by doubling him as soon as he touches it... VDN has done a great job of adjusting... He's using Griffin on high pick and rolls, getting him the ball going to the basket where it's impossible to send a double teamer in time... That's good coaching...

Griffin and Gordon have become a great pick and roll tandem.

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I was looking for the game thread and didn't know it was here in the Rumors forum. lol

Notice how the courts are "reverse" today. Usually, the Clippers have their offensive zone in the 1st half in front of their own bench (or just like any other home team). But since the road team has the choice which court they want to use for each half, Jerry Sloan always chooses "the other way." Most coaches prefer to be in front of his team when they're on defense in the second half.

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that was a nice first half lets hope they take it into the second. i went to the clippers and jazz game last year and the clips won. lets hope they can do it again. they dont do too bad against the jazz actually. lets get the W without OT thank you. blake and gordon. batman and robin right there. and the roles switch so the other team doesnt know who which is batman or robin. lets bring back kaman and do some real damage.

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Blake Griffin is special...woah

it still amazes me that everyone sends 2, sometimes 3 guys at him

HES A ROOKIE

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Maaan we are playing a great game right now....The Defense is Great

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wow terrible start to the 3rd....

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I'm tired of teams double-teaming Blake. It seems like a cowardly way of defending.

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We're getting absolutely zero respect from the refs this season.

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We need Kaman and Baron back. My only worry is if Kaman is still in retard-mode. He needs to get his act together when he comes back because we need another real threat in the post. Yeah, Bledsoe has been great for us but there's no depth in the PG position.

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Wow. The Clippers had what like 5 chances to cut the 6 point deficit?

And nooothing is going on at this point im glad when they can even get a shot off...jesus.....

and just like that its up to 10 teams arent going to give you chance after chance after chance to cut the lead eventually they are just going to make it bigger...The JAzz never miss and when they do the CLippers cant score...

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its always like that tho

its like they think "eh its the clippers who cares"

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Even the Jazz announcers are complaining why we are losing. They said that we have too much talent to be a 3-win team.

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refs and turnovers....'nuff said.

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this is disgusting but i can't look away

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Plus our defense is pretty bad. I am also really not a fan of our head coach. He wasn't the guy that I would have gone with, and he's done nothing to make me change my mind. He's so bad, that I'd actually take Dunleavy back. I really have no idea what the guy is thinking sometimes...

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LOL

See if Sterling will ever try hiring another former Coach of the Year, a coach who has been to the finals and western conference finals. Coaches with actual success would laugh in his face.

Not that Sterling will ever shell out money for a good coach ever again.

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The Clippers just give up thats why we suck...as soon as Blake went out (even though I knew the game was over when the Jazz made a 3 to take the lead in the 3rd) the team started playing horribly and Brian Cook is shooting..really? a guy who doesnt sniff PT for other teams is getting minutes with us there is something wrong there why not keep Steve Novak? ?

Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon cant do it all and it seems its all we have....woah...at this point I can see the Clippers organization milking Blake for all his talent and greatness and not giving a **** about wins and losses anymore

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Poor Blake.

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Wow we need bench power, NOW. We need a couple of consistent 12ppg scorer coming off of the bench

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At least Bledsoe played, despite injury. And he played effectively too.

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Our bench is starting at the PG and C position (and arguably, SF).

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i kno you guys complain about baron but we definitely need him and kaman to play defense cuz bledsoe besides a few highlight blocks plays terrible defense along with gordon when they allow penetration and take advantage of our super slow rotation defense and then bam either i an open layup or wide open 3 pointer. no complaints offensively besides vinny del negro's only play that works is throw the ball to griffin and let him go to work very familiar to his throw the ball to derrick rose and let him operate play in chicago. also our crap bench has absolutely no guards that can shoot and what's sad is that our big men on the bench shoot 3's better

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Wow we need bench power, NOW. We need a couple of consistent 12ppg scorer coming off of the bench

Our bench is starting at the PG and C position (and arguably, SF).

exactly, and our "starters", baron and kaman, are both doing terrible. they should be coming off the bench, IMO.

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what are you talking about? Bledsoe played pretty good D. He didnt guard Deron Williams that was basically all Gordon who is supposed to be our best perimeter defender and a much better defender than Baron.

Classic 3rd quarter collapse but there were stretches where the team really looked great. Disappointing loss, but the chemistry is growing each game:)

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Disappointing loss. Not because we lost to the Jazz -- they are one of the hottest teams in the league -- but how it happened. They went zone and we just had no answer. I don't really think they started playing all that great. It was just a pretty simple adjustment that we didn't respond to. Our lack of shooters bit us big time in the second half. If anyone could have hit an outside shot in the 3rd quarter, Griffin would have had a triple-double.

Getting Baron and Kaman back will help a lot.

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Only 41 posts for the official game thread? Yikes..

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We're less than a quarter of the way through but let's evaluate. Remember Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does" or "If you're not doing it it's because YOU CAN'T DO IT" aka The Emperor Has No Clothes etc etc

1 Leadership. We have only two veteran starters and Kaman isn't a leader. Neither is Baron. You lead by example. Baron may or MAY NOT have a knee injury. What kind of Leadership is that? He should be there coaching Bledsoe and Warren. Is he? I doubt it. If you watched the Jazz game, Blake was without a doubt the floor leader. He's developing a mean streak that is contageous. BD is lackluster. Is anybody who is interested in winning going to revert to lackluster? NO. Will they develop a mean streak? Hell yes. That defines a team's personality. Will Baron be prodded? NO, he'll f**k things up out of spite. There's gonna be a dogfight in the locker room and Baron will lose. In other words Baron has to go somehow, even if it's "injured" He doesn't have the stones to be a bigger dog than Blake. Remember what Sir Charles said.

I'd rather have Blake lead as a winning minded rookie and build the team "IN his own image" and hopefully keep him here. Did you note he always ran the floor to get break on "D"?

  1. Get rid of Sool. He was supposed to be our "Outside threat" fat chance. If he can't shoot three's reliably,we don't need him

  2. Get rid of DJ. I've been a fan but it hit me. GUYS if you had his natural talent and were in the league 3 years wouldn't you have at least one post move and one offensive move (hook. finger roll, short jumper), not just a slam. Why did he warm the pine most of the game? If he were a good player, he would play good (I know, it's play well not good). Why hasn't he learned something from Chris?

4 We need a Sam Cassell pull up jumper person. Whichever, Warren or Bledsoe has it, they get the start.

5 We need points from our PG

6 Leave Aminu in as muich as possible especially when the games are a loss.

7 If BG continues to get mugged, we need a "Diplomat" maybe Rhino to explain that they shouldn't behave that way.

This isn't a playoff team but if they follow my brilliant suggestions, by March, we'll look like one.

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ps

I love EJ but he can't score "quietly" He has to be spectacular and energize the team and the crowd. That means three's.

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clipperboy24 wrote:
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i kno you guys complain about baron but we definitely need him and kaman to play defense cuz bledsoe besides a few highlight blocks plays terrible defense along with gordon when they allow penetration and take advantage of our super slow rotation defense and then bam either i an open layup or wide open 3 pointer. no complaints offensively besides vinny del negro's only play that works is throw the ball to griffin and let him go to work very familiar to his throw the ball to derrick rose and let him operate play in chicago. also our crap bench has absolutely no guards that can shoot and what's sad is that our big men on the bench shoot 3's better

what are you talking about? Bledsoe played pretty good D. He didnt guard Deron Williams that was basically all Gordon who is supposed to be our best perimeter defender and a much better defender than Baron.

Classic 3rd quarter collapse but there were stretches where the team really looked great. Disappointing loss, but the chemistry is growing each game:)

Checkdafool is right. EJ might play good D on deron williams, but as you could see, EJ was getting even more tired than normal guarding deron williams. And although bledsoe is good a defense, he is good for only guarding players his own height because he is quicker then them. But the minute he is guarding a guy bigger than him, he basically gets taken advantage of every time. For me, all that says is he needs more time in the nba, because as he gets more experience playing guys, he will know when to pick them before they can get into their moves which are much slower than guys he normally picks.

and as for Kaman, we need him in the middle to protect our rim, because although DJ has shown improvement, Kaman is much better at clogging the middle for us and changing shots.

But i def agree the chemistry is building every game, and guys are beginning to trust one another a little bit more on both ends of the court every game.

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Yes, we need Kakeman if his mid-game is workin' , for sure.

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This whole team needs more time in the NBA... We have three players who are NBA starter ready; Kaman, Griffin and Gordon... Smith and Gomes are decent reserves, not much more... Then, we have two promising players who wouldn't be getting much burn except by necessity... Aminu and Bledsoe...

Bledsoe has been doing surprisingly well. He's a good defender, but does struggle in matchups with bigger people. What rookie doesn't?... He's a summer away from being starter ready... In the mean time, he'll start anyway since we have no one else... If he improves his shooting in the off season, watch out... All he's missing now is the confidence to knock down shots... If he gets that, he'll be very, very hard to guard. A real contributor.

Aminu is a bit further away... Right now, the only thing he can do on the offensive end is catch and shoot and he does that surprisingly well... When he puts the ball on the floor, it usually leads to some misadventure... His defense is adequate and should become very good... The thing that is concerning about him is a penchant to stand around and watch others play the game... He's not naturally assertive. I wish he had some Darius Miles in him... He has the athleticism to be a real threat on the offensive boards, like Miles was, but he doesn't seem into it, enthused enough or energetic enough... I'm not sold on him as our SF of the future, but he's very young...

The team will get better. We could get to 30 wins and that will be good enough... Those expecting to beat Utah and Pheonix, etc. are thinking wishfully... We can beat them on our best nights, but that's about it... He don't have enough depth of talent to win a lot of these games... Hopefully, when Kaman comes back, that will take us to another level...

All I care about with Baron when he comes back is that he doesn't make things worse, which he well might.

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GREAT analysis! I agree!

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