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rafaclip
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Jordan is considering a trade proposal that would send Augustin, DeSagana Diop and Matt Carroll to the Los Angeles Clippers for Davis, a league source told Yahoo! Sports. Yahoo! Sports

NEIL IS AT IT AGAIN!!!

This is a terrible trade!!

How s-jax or wallace not including is beyond me!!

THIS IS A DESPERATE MOVE BY NEIL TO GET RID OF BARON FOR EXPIRING MORRRRE CRAP!

DJ augistien is not a starting pg in this league..

BRING IN HELP FOR BLAKE!!

im sure all the """im a clipperfan and aww shucks we lost today..yaay..look at me everyone im different!! would loooove this trade!!

dum dum dum trade....

CANT OPEN UP SPOTS FOR NO ONE TO COME IN....EXPIRING CONTRACTS WILL END UP LIKE LAST YEAR WITH US EVENTUALLY OVER PAYING CARROL AND DJ TO SAY CAUSE NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO BE HERE

TRADE FOR STARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This would be a horrible move trading or best playmaker for more role players who wont help us. We wont win games even if we traded Davis for Wallace because we have no one who can run an offense and Augustin wouldn't help that much more than Bledsoe.

Deal also doesn't help because the contracts add up to the same length. We have also proven we can't lure talent in free agency.

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honestly, considering how little value baron has, they should take the opportunity now to get rid of baron. what team in their right mind would give up stars for baron? nobody wants an injured, washed up player with a huge contract. as in, nobody wants davis. he's one of the most untradeable players out there. the clips have been trying to dump him since forever, so now that they have the chance they have to take it. they'll get 3 useless players, but it will help in the long run. baron being here hasn't gotten us anything in the short term, so he's really not worth much to us anyway.

seriously, trade for stars? that's a laughable proposition.

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I agree...

but as much as it hurts me baron needs to go....it just didnt work out, but to trade him just cause u dont like him (lots of clips fans beliefs) is wrong

to me it comes down to this

DOES THIS HELP BLAKE GRIFFIN

HELLLLLLLL NOOOOOOO

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doesn't help griffin directly, but getting rid of davis does. dumping him gets rid of his contract and his attitude and everything else and opens the game up for the young guys. those players wed get arent good, but its the best offer we'd get considering the market for baron.

rafaclip
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disagree...

baron in just the past couple games picked up his trade value....if he can just maintain threw out this year or we find SOMEONE DESPERATE ENOUGH to let go for a wishful pg....HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

seanrooks says...

hey'll get 3 useless players, but it will help in the long run

you are exactly what im talking about....a clipper who loves to loose...

rafaclip
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thats one of the worst posting ive read so far man....and ive read a lot here

wow!

wake up!!!

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first of all, stop with the attacks.

second of all, baron has done nothing in 3 seasons, and the clips lose with baron as well. so if i loved losing i'd say "keep baron!"

getting rid of baron and his attitude and his huge contract helps this team. remember the beginning of the year when we had those problems with baron, and everyone was so excited to watch the young guys play? look, this is the only offer we're getting for baron. it's not worth it to hope for another offer and be stuck with baron for 2 more years.

rafaclip
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saying open up games for our young guys to a homegrown real clip fan is AN ATTACK BY YOU!!!

i didnt say keep baron...i said dont trade for crap that wont help

and NOOO...YOU ARE EXCITED FOR 8 WINS NO NO NONONO BUDDY YOUUUU ARE EXCITED

I WANT WINS!!!!! NOT YOUNG EXCITING,GROW TOGETHER.NOOOO I WANT WINNNNNS

see the difference

Icecoldclipper
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I'll take anything that leads to wins but this isn't going to lead to it. We need another Marcus Camby type steal where we get a player who can fill a void. In this case a scoring Sf that puts up buckets and defends.

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not the best trade in the world but what do people expect with Baron's terrible contract? Teams are doing us a favor by taking him.

I really like Augustin a lot and Carrol might actually be a great fit since he is a very good 3 pt shooter. Diop is jus a salary filler but would give us a nice defensive presence off the bench. Would be interesting to be able to keep Kaman thats for sure.

rafaclip
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Bingo

rafaclip
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i swear to god ..its...its,,.itsss so frustrating

MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A GREAT FIT???

MIGHT? IT MIGHT??

baron "newly discovered lobb to blake"" does more for our team than what any of these can do...

IIIIIT MIGGGGHT?

unbelievable

clipperboy24
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^^^^ didnt know the word might could be so frustrating.

Also didnt know that defense was completely useless in the NBA and that the most important quality was being able to throw a lob pass which only occurs about 3X a game max.

clipperboy24
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actually Augustin 2012 -2013 salary is not guaranteed, would just be qualifying offer. And a big thing to remember is that Carroll and Diop and maybe Augutin could be moved easier as individual pieces where as Baron is not nearly as easy to move since his contract cant be broken up.

Baron could team up with his old headcase teammate and they probably play geat the rest of the year and then the real Baron that cant hide steps forward and he causes more problems than he is worth.

But, if anyone could potentially whip him into shape, i imagine it would be Jordan.

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Exactly, we were the beneficiaries of a string of three good games from Baron. Apparently it was good enough to convince someone out there. I agree with you completely this is our chance. WE need to get rid of him A.S.A.P. If last nights game against Houston was not an eye opener for everyone then I don't know what is Baron is just done

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rafaclip wrote:
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not he best trade in the world but what do people expect with Baron's terrible contract? Teams are doing us a favor by taking him.

I really like Augustin a lot and Carrol might actually be a great fit since he is a very good 3 pt shooter. Diop is jus a salary filler but would give us a nice defensive presence off the bench. Would be interesting to be able to keep Kaman thats for sure.

i swear to god ..its...its,,.itsss so frustrating

MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A GREAT FIT???

MIGHT? IT MIGHT??

baron "newly discovered lobb to blake"" does more for our team than what any of these can do...

IIIIIT MIGGGGHT?

unbelievable

Baron connects well with Griffin..no argument there. However, even on a good night those points probably account for about 8 points of the total score. With Baron not contributing anything on offense himself those numbers are not all that great. Great Baron! You found Griffin for an ally oop, but what did you contribute on offense? What's that? six points on 3/12 shooting.

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exactly, anyone expecting a player the caliber of CP3 for Baron is not realistic. Look Baron is a horrible player, we should really be happy that anyone wants to take his contract from us. , and as others have said these smaller contracts we bring in as exchange can be moved much easier

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This needs to be done today. Baron's contract has been called unmovable by every reporter around the league. We aren't going to get many chances to dump his contract and we need to jump at this chance.

Augustin is easily the center piece of this package and he's nothing special, but he's going to hit the open shot and this team will fully become Gordon and Griffin's team.

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Augustin is getting over 12 points a game, getting 6 assists, shooting 90% + from the FT line, and career wise is a good 3pt shooter.

You people really are some knuckleheads aren't you? Most everyone here wants to see Baron traded, and most everyone here for the last couple months has realized Baron's trade value is crap, IF ANYTHING!

All of a sudden a team that wants to "maybe" trade for him shows interest and everyone flips out that teams best players aren't available in the trade. Does 1 honestly think we would get Gerald Wallace straight up for Baron? OR even Stephen Jackson? Jackson is horrible IMHO and would destroy this team just like Baron has.

Diop gives us the option to move Kaman for some value. We could easily start DeAndre and bring in Diop to play D off the bench. Carroll is just a shooter who would be brought in on rare occasions to play garbage minutes, hit free throws and 3pters. Augustin gives us a player that can play the 1 right now, while we try to hurry along Bledsoe.

Overall we'd be coming out ahead in this trade by about 50 miles.

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rafaclip wrote:
seanrooks wrote:
doesn't help griffin directly, but getting rid of davis does. dumping him gets rid of his contract and his attitude and everything else and opens the game up for the young guys. those players wed get arent good, but its the best offer we'd get considering the market for baron.

thats one of the worst posting ive read so far man....and ive read a lot here

wow!

wake up!!!

Total douchebag move Rafa. And the worst part is Sean is right.

Since the beginning of the season almost everyone has been critisizing Baron and Gomes. They have one or 2 good games and then everybody is in love with them. Baron had like 2 good games, but does that negate all the bad things that he has done while here? Constantly being out of shape and getting hurt, giving up, taking stupid shots and worst of all, not accepting that he is not the superstar he used to be (in his mind). What makes you think he won't start playing bad again(like he did last night)? He won't get hurt again? He wont be a negative presence on this taleam like he has been since he signed? Did those 2 good games really change all that? We have a chance to trade him for almost equal salary but in smaller contracts. That might not make the team better right away but it does make it easier to trade in the future. Plus it does open more playing time for Our youth which just happens to be our future. We aren't making the Playoffs this year so it's time to take the future into consideration. Is Baron really part of this teams future? I didn't think so!

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I'll be interested in seeing which team we trade Kaman to once this deal gets done.

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The bobcats forum's thread on this topic is funny. They want absolutely nothing to do with baron lol.

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And they think EJ should be added to this trade, hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

good luck with that guys. lol

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This is also laughable

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Really? I mean really really? I'd trade EJ to Charlotte for Wallace, Thomas, Augustin, Diaw and a 1st rounder. That'd be the only way he'd be traded from this team IMO. To add in Gordon for a career bench center with 0 scoring ability, a career bench SG whose had his issues with injury and long slumpy shooting, and a PG that only recently has proven useful, but is still massively underperforming is just ridiculous.

Sure Charlotte gets shafted with a big ass contract, but maybe moving all these players to get Baron may help them win some games. I could see Baron, S Jax, G Force and Diaw all playing well together. Throw in Tyrus Thomas and you got yourself a squad more than capable of replicating the GS Warriors run n gun show.

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I haven't confirmed this at all yet, but apparently trading for baron Davis actually saves them money... is that immediately or long term or both?

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I think it saves the Clips about $3 million over the life of the contracts.

This deal is strictly about us dumping the cancer that is Baron. It's not about receiving equal value... it's about turning this team over to Gordon and Griffin.

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Bobcats would actually gain 3.5 million dollars. Go check out the Bobcats forum on ESPN. Only reason I could see them doing this is to trim the roster down a little bit. Diop is under contract for 3 years, Carroll 2 years I believe, and Augustin has a team option for his 3rd year ( which we may not pick up ).

I'm guessing that they wouldn't mind moving Diop because they have Nazr and Kwame on the team and Diop isn't doing well and is making a lot of money. Augustin has been a big dissapointment in Charlotte and isn't the PG they thought he'd be by now. Carroll is just a filler player and I think will not negatively or positively effect either team whether the trade happens or it doesn't.

Baron may bring them a spark they need. Baron has played poorly over the last couple years, but who knows maybe a change of scenery and him not being threatened to lose his starting job to Bledsoe may give him some relief. Baron would surely like to play with Jackson again, and given the fact they have Diaw, Wallace, Jackson and Thomas, they may move to a more high paced offense.

There are a lot of rumors that they may try to trade for Devin Harris or move Wallace to Portland.

Maybe we could throw in Kaman and ask for G Force in return as well. That way we'd get Diop who can help platoon C, Augustin who should make a quality back up or starting PG for our team, Carroll who could be used in an emergency situation at the 2, and Wallace who could start at SF for us. We'd have a big gap at the 5 spot, but I think Jordan and Diop could hold it down well, and with the addition of Diogu we should be OK. We'd just be looking at either drafting a C in the draft, or making a run at Marc Gasol this off season, which isn't too far fetched seeing as how they do have Hasheem Thabeet there.

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I'd also like to add that if this is in fact true, the Clippers FO needs to get on the horn asap and start working on a deal and get it done in like, the next 5 minutes before they come to their senses in Charlotte. I'd sweeten the deal by tossing in like a 2nd rounder or 2 in the future.

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Or for that matter, want him to go? I remember a couple years ago ( right after we signed Baron, and before Brand shafted us ) that this team would be awesome. Even after Brand left I figured we'd still be a good team, I mean it was BARON DAVIS of all players. A guy that got 7-8 assists, 2 steals and 20+ points a game and played POINT GUARD of all positions. That news was like the news if the Detroit Lions got Peyton Manning or a good QB.

Here we are nearly 2 1/2 years later and we've finally got a team thats interested in Baron Davis ( or so we think ). Were also actively bashing him, along with the press, the owner and players. Were also actively trying to trade him via ESPN Trade Machine, Video Games, board discussion scenarios etc.

THis guy was supposed to help revive this franchise that was 2years departed from a playoff team. Here we are now ON THE EDGE OF OUR SEATS praying that this trade is for real and happens asap.

This just goes to show not every player in the league is who we think they are, and just goes to show again and again that Baron has truly let this team down, and the fans down.

I never thought I'd see the day ( until his last contract year of course ) that some team would actually want to trade for Boom Crappy.

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Awful trade.

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How is it awful? Once again this goes to show that no matter the hatred, dislike and realization of Baron's or anyone on our teams poor play and trade value that's massively declined.... when a real trade comes up with 2 quality players in it that could help our team, its AWFUL. Your lucky you can't give out negative reputation here anymore. We should feel lucky we would get Augustin in a trade for Baron Davis.

This easily paves the way for Bledsoe to really fight for or gain that starting PG position and we move into the growth of our rookies even more. Also it moves Foye to back up 2 guard and Augustin a back up PG. Giving us relief and not having to play Gordon 40 minutes a game.

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YEAH LETS TRADE BARON AND ADD 3 MORE PEOPLE TO THE LINEUP AND DROP A COUPLE OF GUYS WE ALREADY HAVE OR TRADE THEM AWAY. SO LETS SEE, WAIT, NEW PLAYERS ON THIS TEAM YET AGAIN. LETS JUST KEEP CHANGING OVER, AND ADDING NEW PLAYERS LIKE WE DO EVERY YEAR. THAT'S HELPED US HOW? WE HAVE ONE OF THE WORST CHEMISTRY EVER BECAUSE OF THAT, AND WE LOSE, YEAR AFTER YEAR, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM ON PAPER. FINALLY WE ARE STARTING TO GEL AND BUILD TEAM CHEMISTRY AND PLAY TOGETHER AND NOW WE JUST TRADE IT ALL AWAY. BARON NOT BE LIKE HE USED TO, BUT WHY NOT HAVE HIM PLAY A FULL SEASON, WITH GRIFFIN. LAST YEAR THE TEAM DID WELL UNTIL THE NEWS THAT GRIFFIN WAS GONE FOR THE SEASON. THIS SEASON BARON HAS A MONSTER IN BLAKE GRIFFIN. AND IF OUR TEAM PLAYS LIKE IT HAS IN THE PAST FEW GAMES, AND WE GET BETTER, WOULDNT THAT MAKE BARON MORE ATTRACTIVE AFTER THE SEASON, WITH ONE LESS YEAR ON HIS CONTRACT? IM TIRED OF GETTING LOSING, AS I AM OF CHANGING OUR TEAM YEAR AFTER YEAR. GOOD TEAMS ARE GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE A TEAM THAT KNOWS EACH OTHER. LOOK AT SAN ANTONIO. LAKERS ARE A GOOD TEAM, BUT WITH ALL THESE NEW ADDITIONS THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO FIND THAT COHESIVENESS. MAYBE IF WE HAD A BETTER DEAL, FOR A GOOD SF, YEAH I SAY GO FOR IT, BUT SERIOUSLY FOR AUGUSTINE, DIOP, AND CARROLL? DONT TRADE JUST TO TRADE. BESIDES HAVE YOU GUYS NOT SEEN HOW BLAKE GRIFFIN ENJOYS PLAYING WITH BARON DAVIS? IM NOT SAYING DONT TRADE BARON, BUT MAYBE WITH THE WAY THE CLIPPERS ARE PLAYING AND HOW GRIFFIN IS MAKING DAVIS LOOK AND THE OTHER WAY AROUND, HIS STOCK MIGHT RISE. YOU NEVER KNOW.

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Hooch20 wrote:
BoomRizzle wrote:
I haven't confirmed this at all yet, but apparently trading for baron Davis actually saves them money... is that immediately or long term or both?

I think it saves the Clips about $3 million over the life of the contracts.

This deal is strictly about us dumping the cancer that is Baron. It's not about receiving equal value... it's about turning this team over to Gordon and Griffin.

Sorry, i should have specified, i mean saves the cats money

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Hooch20 wrote:
BoomRizzle wrote:
I haven't confirmed this at all yet, but apparently trading for baron Davis actually saves them money... is that immediately or long term or both?

I think it saves the Clips about $3 million over the life of the contracts.

This deal is strictly about us dumping the cancer that is Baron. It's not about receiving equal value... it's about turning this team over to Gordon and Griffin.

..it actually adds to the Clippers $989,486 over the life of the contracts...DJ, Diop and Carroll=$42,639,486 mil.........BD=$41,650,00 mil.

Matt Carroll and Diop have player options for 2012/13....DJ has a team option in 2011/12 (+$3 mil) and qualifying offer in 2012/13 (+$4 mil)...so that's where you can pick up more $ if the team choose to.

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^^^^ like $500k in the short run but DJ's contract isnt guaranteed fo 2012-2013 season so it doesnt save in the long run

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Caps ftw.

If we dropped anyone it'd more than likely be Collins and/or Diogu as well. I'm not sure what Diogu's contract was but I'm guessing it wasn't anything guaranteed and more than likely he'll be the odd man out once Smith and Kaman return. Collins is just pure garbage and doesn't matter, he shouldn't even exist on this planet.

The players we'd cut are the people we rarely use or never use that really make 0 difference to the chemistry of this team. Diogu, Collins, Warren are all on the chopping block if this deal goes down. How many games did those 3 help us win combined?

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Baron and Kaman are the two longest tenure Clippers. We want stand up guys on this team. I think I would do this trade. It is time to move on without Baron. The longer he stays the longer we wont be really offically comfortable turning over the reigns to Griffin and Gordon. It is like what happened in OKC. The team gave the keys to Durant the minute he took the floor and he took off. Baron is 32 and yes I do like him and his passing skills, his 30 million coming off the books would be great and there are a lot of decent free agents this season. Trading Baron is a salary dump, nothing more. This is now Blakes and Gordons team. The longer Baron stays, the longer this weight wont be lifted. I say do it. I dotn want to hear this phrase anymore "this team goes where Baron davis goes." Enough is enough. Trade him, wish him well, and let us REALLY start the Blake Griffin era.

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Baron does make some amazing passes, but they're not 13 million dollar passes.... Just trade him now, Gordon and griffin can actually be the leases if this team 100%.... and we've seen bledsoe's potential with the kinda passes he made last night, he's a rookie, he'll find out how to do it more consistently later on. Just complete this trade, then send kaman over to Detroit for Austin daye and a filler. And please don't say that " that's a terrible trade!" bullcrap, cause baron and kaman and practically worthless right now

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[quote="Taylor"]Caps ftw.

If we dropped anyone itPROBABLY AS MUCH AS GRIFFIN, GORDON,DAVIS, AND EVERYONE ELSE ON THE CLIPPERS COMBINED?

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Found the answer to my inquiry:

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BoomRizzle wrote:
Found the answer to my inquiry:

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The trade would actually cut the Bobcats’ total salary by about $320,000 this season and $162,000 next season, according to salary data on ShamSports.

....see my post above on the cost

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Also how is Augustin averaging 12 pg and 6 assists on 90 percent FT shooting and is 23 years old not a good deal. You guys are crazy. I would do a Baron for Augustin swap straight up.

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Know who makes 13 million dollar passes? CP3, Nash, D Wills, Rondo.

Anyways I JUST GOT A BIG WHIFF OF SOME SWEET STANK THAT WILL MAKE EVERYONE'S BALLS TINGLE JUST A BIT....

Word is were offering Kaman in any trade deal if a team takes on Baron's salary. Since Charlotte has had a hard on for Kaman, maybe there's a chance we get Wallace in the deal as well. How sick would that be? 2 of my favorite NBA players that aren't on this team ( Diop and Wallace ) coming to LA?

We'd have a very well rounded 1,2,3 and 4 position... all we'd have to worry about is DJ and Diop playing together well platooning the 5 slot, which I am totally down with. Fact is we may end up losing Kaman in a year and a half for nothing anyways. May as well go for broke!

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repped.

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Someone just tweeted "'How to be dumber than Donald Sterling', by Michael Jordan"

i laughed.

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...sure you would, but that's why the deal includes 2 horrible players who are making +$10.7 mil between them in 2010/11

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tense2 wrote:
clipperAndrew wrote:
Also how is Augustin averaging 12 pg and 6 assists on 90 percent FT shooting and is 23 years old not a good deal. You guys are crazy. I would do a Baron for Augustin swap straight up.

...sure you would, but that's why the deal includes 2 horrible players who are making +$10.7 mil between them in 2010/11

Diop is a defensive machine. Carroll is a filler player. There are plenty of players in the league that make 2-5 mill a year that aren't very good and are added to trades in all sports to make the salaries fit. There's also the chance we could trade either of these guys or Augustin for something else before the trading deadline.

I'd love to see this deal go down, and to add Kaman for Wallace. Matter of fact, I'm gonna go on NBA 2K right now and move all the players around to see just how domination the Clippers are.

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SO 12 POINT 6 ASSIST 90 PERCENT IS GOOD? LET'S LOOK AT BARON'S NUMBER LAST YEAR BECAUSE HE DIDNT PLAY MUCH YET THIS SEASON. 15 POINTS, 4 REBOUNDS, 8 ASSIST, 83% FT., SOME OF YOU SAY HE PLAYED HORRIBLE, AND THAT'S HIS STATS FOR LAST YEAR, BUT YOU GUYS SAY 12 POINTS, 6 ASSIST, 90% IS GOOD?

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