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True which has happened what...10 times this season?

I think we are all forgetting how much talk Augustin was getting his rookie season. He fell out of favor with Larry Brown, once that happens there is no coming back from it and as a result his production faltered.

He has MAJOR upside, Baron is a tier 3 point guard in this league. He is NEVER and I mean NEVER EVER going to be the player he was in Golden State. Anyone who thinks "Baron is a top 5 pg in this league when healthy and motivated" are delsiounal. He is a 65 million bust. Great guy off the court, but I dont pay money see him win Best dresser in sports awards.

A young up and coming PG is this league is much more vaulable than a 32 year former all star on a major downturn. We are NOT winning now, nor will we ever win with Baron. This team needs have the moto GO YOUNG, OR GO HOME.

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The FAT Boy who cried WOLF...

I used to be a huge Baron Davis fan all the way from back in the day... Santa Monica, Crossroads High and UCLA. I USED TO be.

He is the fat boy that cried wolf. So many empty promises and he shoots such a LOW shooting percentage for someone that is the highest paid player on the team. $13 MILLION a year for this??? Showing up out of shape and he can't jump anymore. His outside shot is a JOKE.

YES, he's an excellent passer. I love his dishes to Griffin and when he leads the break. He's amazing to watch.

But he's SO overrated, overpaid, injuryprone, and he's rapidly approaching the downside of his career. We NEED to trade him now for what we can get or next year, we'll get nothing and we'll have him for TWO MORE YEARS. TWO MORE YEARS of HORRIBLE outside jumpshots and unsteady hustle. I can't stand athletes who get paid millions of dollars and only play hard for "big" games. He hasn't done it this year (I think he's played hard for the most part this year) but he Always cries wolf. How many times are we going to be fooled?

TRADE HIM.

The entire league thinks MJ is crazy to try to trade for Baron and we're trying to keep him. FOR WHAT? A playoff run this year? EJ doesn't like him. The younger players learn bad habits. Why do we have such a loser mentality?

$13 million for missed jumpshots, 20 min, and some good passes. Not worth it.

Let's get what we can and move forward.

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I love how everyone that wants to keep Baron refers to how he used to be good, or how he can connect on a lob once a game. Do you guys watch his horrific defense? His non existent outside game? ANYBODY that would take the contract off of the Clippers hands should be considered. Gimme a couple of hustle guys over a fat guy that has a horrible attitude.

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Lisadillman twitter:

In other words, BD won't be spending Xmas in Charlotte.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18001571585466368

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At first I was uncomfortable with this trade idea but think about it guys. Blake's top dunks of the year besides a few lobs were ALL assists from Randy Foye. Foye will still provide the passing and Bledsoe is improving with his lobs to Blake tremendously the last few games. Reality is if we truly want to emulate the Thunders go young and let youngsters bond and grow together.. we NEED to shed Baron. Sure it will cost us 5-10 wins THIS YEAR but for the future it's SUCH a good trade. As others have pointed out also Diop is a very solid defending big body. He's like a Kendrick Perkins, Brendan Haywood type where he's very stocky and gets inside attacking players heads. Plus he's still young last I checked. He's like 28. So we are going younger by shedding Baron for a 23 and 28 year old player. Carroll gives us another 3 point threat which we absolutely need. Matt's hardly been shooting and is at 15 percent from deep this year but he's a 39 percent shooter from 3.

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If you want 2 key examples. His dunk on Mosgov and his oop last night where he almost hit head on rim (My fav dunk of all time quite possibly!) were BOTH assisted by Randy Foye. Baron's better at the fancy halfcourt lobs and connecting with him but that's purely Baron's experience and court vision. Bledsoe will learn to do it as he's already improved in that aspect a lot already. Bledsoe's behind the head no look find of DJ last night was sooooooo amazing! I was like MAN! I've really been hard on this kids court vision. That play in general was so sick. Bledsoe's athleticism is on par with Mike Taylor was for us.. no doubt.

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I noticed that as well.

I'll say this for Baron fans: You guys are loyal and give him full devotion. I'm just not sure what he's done to deserve it.

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clipper*joe wrote:
Lisadillman twitter:

In other words, BD won't be spending Xmas in Charlotte.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18001571585466368

How about New Years? lol

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i would do this trade immediatly.. agustin a great upcomming player like most of our team... we can grow and be great and get into the playoffs next year... Baron will just get older and agustin will only get better.. why keep a player way past his prime when we can get a player going into his prime?

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journeyman wrote:
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I find it amusing that every general NBA forum I've been on, the near unanimous consensus is that people are clowning MJ and the Bobcats for even considering it. Yet we as Clipper fans are the only ones having mixed opinions.

I noticed that as well.

I'll say this for Baron fans: You guys are loyal and give him full devotion. I'm just not sure what he's done to deserve it.

I find this interesting as well, and even more so is the logic that some baron supporters here use to justify a season of this: PPG 8.4, RPG 2.50, APG 6.1, EFF + 9.62. Given these numbers you would think that DJ Augustin's numbers of: PPG 12.6, RPG 3.30, APG 6.0, EFF + 14.61 you would think this trade would be a no brainer. Also the fact that DJ is considerably younger than Baron would give you no doubt to pull the trigger, but still B Diddy has his loyal fans. I guess they just have insight into something I don't...or maybe I just don't really know basketball:)

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journeyman wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
Lisadillman twitter:

In other words, BD won't be spending Xmas in Charlotte.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18001571585466368

How about New Years? lol

Que sera, sera. What she's basically saying is that the rumor is not true. Keep the hope alive...Christmas ain't here yet, not too late. Very Happy

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I say do the trade. I agree with many of the posts that its not clear if this trade makes us better short term or even long term. But, it's time for some new blood. I'm tired of seeing Baron with 5 seconds on the shot clock and realizing he has to make a play so he pulls up for a 3 off a step back and the shot misses badly. A PG should be able to drive to the hole at any time and Baron can't get around anyone these days.

Everyone needs to remember this is only one trade. Don't forget the Clippers traded for Q Richardson last season also. We all spent hours writing about smart or dumb the move was and just like that the 2nd planned trade was executed. I'm sure the Clippers have a multi step game plan.

On a final note this trade does not save the Clippers any money. In fact DJ might not be a star but he's likely to make more than $4 mil/season after his rookie contract is up. That will be the test when we see if Sterling does what it takes and goes over the cap to keep Jordan, Gordon, Augustin so the Clippers can maintain a deep bench.

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I am sure we will miss this oppurinty to the Marcus Camby Andre Miller to Bobcats for those three instead..and if that is true I feel bad for Marcus.

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clipper*joe wrote:
journeyman wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
Lisadillman twitter:

In other words, BD won't be spending Xmas in Charlotte.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18001571585466368

How about New Years? lol

Que sera, sera. What she's basically saying is that the rumor is not true. Keep the hope alive...Christmas ain't here yet, not too late. Very Happy

This is what I hate about rumors, they rarely turn out to be true.

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MrB wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:

Que sera, sera. What she's basically saying is that the rumor is not true. Keep the hope alive...Christmas ain't here yet, not too late. Very Happy

This is what I hate about rumors, they rarely turn out to be true.

All the trades that go down with this team usually happen with no previous warning or speculation.

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journeyman wrote:
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Que sera, sera. What she's basically saying is that the rumor is not true. Keep the hope alive...Christmas ain't here yet, not too late. Very Happy

This is what I hate about rumors, they rarely turn out to be true.

All the trades that go down with this team usually happen with no previous warning or speculation.

I know that's why this one hurts even more. Cause it's not gonna happen.

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Gordon

Iggy

G-force

Griffin

DJ

Gordon has proven he can play point guard, and moving him to the 1 permanently would solidify him as the best scoring PG in the league.

The 2-3 tandem of Iggy and G-force would work because lets be honest, most NBA offensive systems have the 2 & 3 doing the exact same thing.

Griffin would finally have a supporting cast he can work with, not to mention people who can mentor him on how to play the forward spot.

DJ's job would become far less complicated, to the point where all he has to do is rebound like his life depends on it.

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...is that why they call rumors...rumors...lol

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gordon has done a decent job at the point, but i can picture the individualism now with a starting lineup full of scorers but no distributors. it would be PAINFUL to watch, imo.

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What would be funny is IF Clippers pull a sneaky move that sends baron davis and Chris kaman to portland for camby and andre miller

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ekker3 wrote:
NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:

Gordon

Iggy

G-force

Griffin

DJ

Gordon has proven he can play point guard, and moving him to the 1 permanently would solidify him as the best scoring PG in the league.

The 2-3 tandem of Iggy and G-force would work because lets be honest, most NBA offensive systems have the 2 & 3 doing the exact same thing.

Griffin would finally have a supporting cast he can work with, not to mention people who can mentor him on how to play the forward spot.

DJ's job would become far less complicated, to the point where all he has to do is rebound like his life depends on it.

gordon has done a decent job at the point, but i can picture the individualism now with a starting lineup full of scorers but no distributors. it would be PAINFUL to watch, imo.

I know what you mean.

I can see it somewhat working however, from the fact that Iggy averages 5 assists per game, and when Gordon was working the point, he racked up about 6-7.

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NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:

Gordon

Iggy

G-force

Griffin

DJ

Gordon has proven he can play point guard, and moving him to the 1 permanently would solidify him as the best scoring PG in the league.

The 2-3 tandem of Iggy and G-force would work because lets be honest, most NBA offensive systems have the 2 & 3 doing the exact same thing.

Griffin would finally have a supporting cast he can work with, not to mention people who can mentor him on how to play the forward spot.

DJ's job would become far less complicated, to the point where all he has to do is rebound like his life depends on it.

gordon has done a decent job at the point, but i can picture the individualism now with a starting lineup full of scorers but no distributors. it would be PAINFUL to watch, imo.

I know what you mean.

I can see it somewhat working however, from the fact that Iggy averages 5 assists per game, and when Gordon was working the point, he racked up about 6-7.

But we as a team were averaging like 8-12 TO's between Gordon and Bledsoe. The more Gordon handles the ball, the more TO's we get. If we do get rid of Baron we need a Bledsoe to run the show, not Gordon. Or at least, get a serviceable PG that can create, not look for his shot and then give it up.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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gordon has done a decent job at the point, but i can picture the individualism now with a starting lineup full of scorers but no distributors. it would be PAINFUL to watch, imo.

I know what you mean.

I can see it somewhat working however, from the fact that Iggy averages 5 assists per game, and when Gordon was working the point, he racked up about 6-7.

But we as a team were averaging like 8-12 TO's between Gordon and Bledsoe. The more Gordon handles the ball, the more TO's we get. If we do get rid of Baron we need a Bledsoe to run the show, not Gordon. Or at least, get a serviceable PG that can create, not look for his shot and then give it up.

Yeah I concede that Gordon isn't very sure-handed (to say the least,) But I think that would be a start. There's no reason at that point, to not be able to flip Iggy or G-force into a nice centerpiece PG. Maybe Holiday or Brooks?

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Lisadillman twitter:

In other words, BD won't be spending Xmas in Charlotte.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18001571585466368

How about New Years? lol

Que sera, sera. What she's basically saying is that the rumor is not true. Keep the hope alive...Christmas ain't here yet, not too late. Very Happy

i guess we would have to ask her. the way it seems to me is a deal wont happen before Christmas, not that no deal will happen.

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^^^ I think I agree with you CB24. Now that I think about it, in the past, Dillman has a little more direct when dispelling rumors. She'll straight out that a rumor isn't true or that a trade won't happen. Its actually interesting that she didn't do that here. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I'm definitely not going to assume nothing is going to happen just based on her tweet.

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clipperboy24 wrote:

i guess we would have to ask her. the way it seems to me is a deal wont happen before Christmas, not that no deal will happen.

@KidClipper Not happening. Everyone resume Xmas shopping...

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18005083505557504

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@KidClipper In case someone didn't see your question....BD not going to Charlotte, despite being a trending topic. Inexplicably.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18006087273807872

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clipper*joe wrote:
@KidClipper In case someone didn't see your question....BD not going to Charlotte, despite being a trending topic. Inexplicably.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18006087273807872

wink wink

I was actually hoping someone would actually look at her twitter. The more viable rumor is the Portland one. Charlotte has actually made an offer to them with the players the Baron rumor started with.

Meh, don't listen to Lisa, she's usually the one that gets good info. before anyone else.

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the only way i see baron being traded is for a superstar

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clipper*joe wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
@KidClipper In case someone didn't see your question....BD not going to Charlotte, despite being a trending topic. Inexplicably.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18006087273807872

wink wink

I was actually hoping someone would actually look at her twitter. The more viable rumor is the Portland one. Charlotte has actually made an offer to them with the players the Baron rumor started with.

Meh, don't listen to Lisa, she's usually the one that gets good info. before anyone else.

I always read her tweets. Her, Ramona Shelburne, and Eric Pincus are the Clipper writers I trust the most.

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illastrate wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
@KidClipper In case someone didn't see your question....BD not going to Charlotte, despite being a trending topic. Inexplicably.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18006087273807872

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I was actually hoping someone would actually look at her twitter. The more viable rumor is the Portland one. Charlotte has actually made an offer to them with the players the Baron rumor started with.

Meh, don't listen to Lisa, she's usually the one that gets good info. before anyone else.

I always read her tweets. Her, Ramona Shelburne, and Eric Pincus are the Clipper writers I trust the most.

Lisa is the one that is always on top of her game. I don't really mess with twitter but I had to subscribed to her.

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I am just praying that we can unload Baron's lazy A.

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Like I told JM, Christmas isn't here yet. Still time for a wish list. I'm not apposed to trading him but that deal was a rumor, and the pieces sucked arse. If Jordan is so tempted to dump DJ, you know something is really wrong with the picture. They never wanted him to have the job in the first place.

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I won't lose much sleep over this if the trade was to go down..

Saying that though i still don't like the names being mentioned in this trade honestly and am kind of glad the rumor was shot down..

Given D.J. needing a new contract soon, he would either A. be gone or B. Get overpaid by us and there you go we got another crises on our hands. His shooting % is down right awful this year

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***K DRE MILLER!

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Donald Sterling is a cheap A$$ because he can't really afford to own an NBA team. He's like the guy that bought a C-class Mercedes because he wanted to own one, but can't afford a real one. So the answer to the question of whether Sterling will step up, the answer is most certainly no...unless of course David Stern tells him he will lose his team otherwise. Like when he was forced to match on Elton Brand because his team salary was too low. Sterling is a slum lord in real life and runs the Clippers like one too.

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I think this might have actually been a rumor that I started last month... I was trying to figure out a team that might have a realistic interest in Baron; which would mean one that needed a PG, a team that was underachieving and had a coach who had influence, but was aging and needed to win now at all costs... Charlotte with Larry Brown filled the bill--was actually the only team that I could see wanting Baron at his salary...

Then, going down their roster, it wasn't hard to figure out who they might be willing to part with and salaries that worked...

What would be interesting to know is, if this trade was discussed at all, who balked? My guess is, the Clippers would make the deal.

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Id pull the trigger and never think twice.

Also I'd keep Gordon as far away from the PG. Keep him where he is most efficient, at the 2.

And I welcome any which way we get Camby back.

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What would be funny is IF Clippers pull a sneaky move that sends baron davis and Chris kaman to portland for camby and andre miller

***K DRE MILLER!

yeah i agree ***k a point guard who can actually shoot, ***k a poing guard who can actually play 70+ games ***k a point guard who can rack up assist without racking up TO ***k a pg that actually comes in shape.

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I disagree He is shooting 42% from the field including 3pt. Which is 35%, not bad not great. Also he is shooting 47% if you didnt include 3pt shooting and shoots 90% from the charity stripe. Those arent horrible #'s at all. Not great but not horrible, i would say average with the exception of the FT% which is great.

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Whats his turnover to assist ratio? turnovers kill us

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^^Even if Andre Miller was the best point guard on the planet, I wouldn't want him here because of what he did to BG.

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jarca wrote:
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What would be funny is IF Clippers pull a sneaky move that sends baron davis and Chris kaman to portland for camby and andre miller

***K DRE MILLER!

yeah i agree ***k a point guard who can actually shoot, ***k a poing guard who can actually play 70+ games ***k a point guard who can rack up assist without racking up TO ***k a pg that actually comes in shape.

Yeah, I'd pull the trigger on Miller and Camby. I don't think Portland would want Baron though. I have a feeling they're going to start to rebuild again. Not a complete overhaul but they will bring in young players again. Roy isn't going to last long with those knees. I like Miller and his style of play.

I don't care if He went after Griffin. I saw the few plays before that and I ain't going to lie, Griffin kinda man-handled him on the previous 2 plays. It happens but once you're on the same team, things change.

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clipper*joe wrote:
@KidClipper In case someone didn't see your question....BD not going to Charlotte, despite being a trending topic. Inexplicably.

http://twitter.com/reallisa/statuses/18006087273807872

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That's direct enough for me. Time to move on.

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Everything is supposed to heat up after Christmas. I expect things to get crazy in the next week or two.

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^^^ Yeah, I think that's true, but if anyone from the Clippers getting traded, I'm banking on Kaman and not Baron. It seems to me that Charlotte is about the only team in the league that can really use Baron. If there's no deal to be had with them, I'm having trouble thinking of any other viable destinations for Baron. Who knows though? Crazy things do happen in this game. I'll just wait and see.

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Not sure if this has been posted, but I'd be fine with this deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=267xqyd

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forgive and forget. look at how much ron artest has helped out the lakers and him and Kobe went nuts on each other.

I am not a huge Andre miller fan because of what he did to the Clippers before but i think he could help the team out. But, thats what i thought before and it seems like he hates the clippers, so that would be my only reservations, although the salary release would be very nice.

If we could get Camby in someway, that would be great, a very good role player and a great attitude but i dont think that will happen.

Time will tell but i really really hope we can make a deal:)

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I don't want Camby on this team again. Sure his defense would be nice, but his offense would kill the team. Teams would sag off of him and clog the lane creating problems for everyone.

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jarca wrote:
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What would be funny is IF Clippers pull a sneaky move that sends baron davis and Chris kaman to portland for camby and andre miller

***K DRE MILLER!

yeah i agree ***k a point guard who can actually shoot, ***k a poing guard who can actually play 70+ games ***k a point guard who can rack up assist without racking up TO ***k a pg that actually comes in shape.

you clearly do not remember what he did to clipper nation back in 02-03 do you?? roll

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