Get Rid of Kaman (P. 3)

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Clipper_Richard
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Timberwolves and Knick are close to trading Telfair & Pick for Anthony Randolph... Curry is out of shape... no thanks

Hooch20
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Knicks won't take on contracts for next year so there's no way they trade fir Kaman.

We either need Kaman back pronto or we need to move him for a scoring small forward asap.

Right now we only have two scorers in the starting lineup and it's killing us. DeAndre is playing much better, but if he's going to be our starter we need scoring at the small forward spot.

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Get rid of the other 29 teams in the NBA, join the D league.lol

Deoudes59
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I think you are right, he's a top roll player at heart and that's just what he's meant to be. DJ has impressed me, I've been super critical of him, but he's not ready to log 30 + minutes a game. He's a great third option, GREAT 3rd Option

tense2
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^^^...last 10 games for DJ:

30.9 MPG, 9.1 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 2.1 BPG......not the problem area....now if we only had sf and pg that could shoot, we would be dangerous..lol

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Again I've taken my Prozac and changed my mind.

A forward it would make our team really good for Gomes/Foye/Sool or even Aminu I cry bitter tears). we can trade them. Kaman's a must an is a big plus so we keep him. Our bench it sucks but we have the bucks to change it. First option he must OCCASIONALLY especially as a bench player One Center can score alone one the floor it ain't DJ.starters can scorer r. Don't be a nay sayer. tand CK function as well and you can tell just like DJ. Baron, DJ The answer is moot. DJ can't shoot far from the basket.. Far as Fast breaks Kaman he make a good sprinters (see you tube) Bigs except Wilt the Stil get real tired.

I think this means we keep CK. Maybe off the bench. We need another Big who can score. COOKIE and CK. Collins is gone

Don't the Pistons want expiring contracts. How about T Prince?. When he starts to face Aminu will be ready. Kaman was a coach fvorite which means more than a popularity contest.

LotsoHope
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Brian Cook is not a 5 and he scores from the perimeter. I'd take DJ as our backup to Kaman any day, he's proven to be a defensive beast against athletic players and someone other teams need to put a big body on to prevent easy dunks.

DJ cannot guard craftier post players like Gasol and Jefferson though, in those instances I'd rather have Kaman on the floor to get us some points if we have no defensive presence in our center.

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I just read this entire post. Lots of great points. I was most impressed by learning how poor Kaman's PER is even in his best seasons (16 last season, 17 four years ago). I would say this regarding the argument to trade Kaman because he's not an all star 20+ PER.... I bet Kaman's PER the first month of last season was mid 20s. It wasn't until month 2 of last season that for the first time in his career teams started to double team Kaman. He responded so poorly that he had a monstrous amount of turnovers killing his value to the team and his PER. I would love to see how he responds to less double teams know that Griffin and Gordon are a far superior supporting cast and after Kaman has had an extra season to learn what to expect.

On a second note, has anyone noticed how damn quickly our entire team is developing and getting better??? I honestly think this is the Blake Griffin = workaholic effect. It is identical to the Tim Duncan = Spurs entire team work hard even in off season. Chris Kaman deserves a chance to prove what he can do next to Griffin and hopefully its with a new inspired work ethic that causes him to grow to a consistent all star. Don't get me wrong I'm all for trading Kaman for the right player (Melo), but I'm strongly voting to keep Kaman rather than just give him away for lesser players in return (Randolph, Prince).

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we saw in the pre season how Kaman got Griffin way open for some baskets. it is not exactly the same with DJ unless BD is putting in major work at the one.

other than Butler and Gomes, this whole team should stick together next season.

rick0314
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^^completely agree, blake would not tripled team anymore, and would be double team a lot less. Kaman is also a threat, and will make blakes job easier

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I wouldn't hang my hat on the PER too much. That was created by Hollinger. That stat is his creation that isn't observed by the NBA.

if you guys want to know how he created this, here it is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... id=2850240

ClipfanSince88
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^^^ Yeah, I pretty much ignore PER completely. I will give Hollinger credit though. Inventing that stat was a good way for a guy who otherwise would have no credibility as a basketball analyst to make himself somewhat relevant.

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Get rid of Kaman? Hmmm... we stand to regain a viable starting center, around the NBA these guys don't exactly grow on trees. One with weaknesses yes, but also a considerable offensive threat, a good inside passer, a decent to good defender, an excellent rebouder and an unselfish player generally. Hard to imagine many GMs who wouldn't be thrilled at the prospect.

Let Kaman work his way back into the lineup however slowly, DJ has taken the pressure off to a large degree, but Kaman is still a much more skilled ballplayer and should regain his starter's status eventually. Kaman can be a clever passer inside, something DJ has yet to add to his game. That and his outside shot threat creating inside space should both enhance Blake's game significantly. Having a good starting center and an effective backup is something that NBA teams spend tons of money on. We've potentially got just that, let's at least let Kaman play for the year's balance and see what the chemistry says. If he somehow proves ineffective for Blake's benefit, (which after all is what matters most) move him. It is well worth seeing what the chemistry is first though.

tense2
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...PER is just another fairly good tool to quickly judge talent and just because NBA stat's don't use it means very little...especially since other well respected stat sites like Hoopdata, Basketball Reference and 82games do......so to each his own...lol

clipperboy24
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^^^ Per doesnt mean much to me either. Its way too involved on certain aspects and doesnt really equate to real value to a team a lot of times

ClipfanSince88
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tense2 wrote:
ClipfanSince88 wrote:
^^^ Yeah, I pretty much ignore PER completely. I will give Hollinger credit though. Inventing that stat was a good way for a guy who otherwise would have no credibility as a basketball analyst to make himself somewhat relevant.

...PER is just another fairly good tool to quickly judge talent and just because NBA stat's don't use it means very little...especially since other well respected stat sites like Hoopdata, Basketball Reference and 82games do......so to each his own...lol

"Stat sites" being the operative term. I'm just not a big stat guy in general. But as you said, to each his own.

tense2
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ClipfanSince88 wrote:
tense2 wrote:
ClipfanSince88 wrote:
^^^ Yeah, I pretty much ignore PER completely. I will give Hollinger credit though. Inventing that stat was a good way for a guy who otherwise would have no credibility as a basketball analyst to make himself somewhat relevant.

...PER is just another fairly good tool to quickly judge talent and just because NBA stat's don't use it means very little...especially since other well respected stat sites like Hoopdata, Basketball Reference and 82games do......so to each his own...lol

"Stat sites" being the operative term. I'm just not a big stat guy in general. But as you said, to each his own.

"I'm just not a big stat guy in general"......except for the one big stat....wins and losses wink

ClipfanSince88
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^^^ Yeah, that one is kind of unavoidable.

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