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ladodgermaniac
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Salary would have to include some bad G.S. contracts. (probably Crapmonovich or Crapzuric)

I would love to see the Clippers with Gordon and Curry in the backcourt.

This would create tons of space for Blake or he can kick it out. Damn the Clips would smoke eveyone with 3's and dunks

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Curry isn't a PG. That's why they want to get rid of him. The owner already said Ellis is the guy. If EJ were not here, I'd probably jump on that.

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Only if he agrees to come off the bench and be ben gordon type of player

ladodgermaniac
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Curry handles the ball a ton, just like against Clippers last 2 weeks.

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no he would not do that, he's a baller.

Clips could also go small sometimes with Curry, Gordon and a PG (bledsoe or baron)

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This could be good..... Curry is the type of shooter we need to spread the defense and really punish anyone who tries to double or triple team blake.

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highly doubt curry will be willing to come off the bench but i agree that he is a great shooter and a great ball handler. he has good court vision also but he hurt that ankle about 4 times this season. once on that EJ crossover that literally broke curry's ankles. we'd need to get rid of foye in the package but again, i HIGHLY doubt he's going to be happy coming off the bench.

ladodgermaniac
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Kaman isnt going to re-sign here, I think

Maybe GS would want to trade Curry plus Biedrens (unload his contract)

4 years of Curry & Biedrens for 2 years of Kaman. Sounds good to me

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i agree kaman wouldn't want to re-sign here but only because we won't offer him enough money since we need the cap for our young players. with that being said, i don't think we'll be able to re-sign curry either. but i'd rather have curry than kaman at the moment. can you explain what you mean by 4 years of curry and biedrins? curry's contract is up in 2 years and biedrins is expiring i believe.

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Oh man i love Curry's game. That would be an easy trade to make, imo.

Curry is still developing his PG skills but he is a great player and amazing shooter. He would be a perfect fit for the Clipps and could be setting up quite a few Blake Griffin and DJ lobs! EJ and Stephen curry would be so potent it would open up the inside for Griffin and DJ so much

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You won't get Curry for Kaman unless its plus 1st round picks....maybe

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As much as I like Curry, it doesn't make much sense to me to use our most tradeable asset to get a player that doesn't fit within our biggest area of need. Why use Kaman to get a guy that we'd have to figure out how to use? If we deal Kaman, I want it to be for a SF.

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i know we all want an SF now but the FO believes aminu will be that SF in the near future so that's why i think there's no urgency in forcing a trade for an SF. what we need most right now are consistent shooters where it makes defenders not want to leave their man on the wing to collapse on blake.

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IMO...our biggest trade asset(s) is our 1st round picks...Kaman with the $ owned and bad ankle injury is going to be tough to move alone or with throw-ins for anyone good...

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He would be playing PG and would be a huge upgrade over Baron. Baron could revert at any point and also is he really our long term solution?

Curry is still developing and even then he is still a very good player. he is a decet passer who is still growing as a PG and his shooting is unbelieveable.

Plus, this opens up the middle big time for our bigs to work and also for Aminu to start playing more as we could utilize his rebounding. This would be an amazing trade for us. If they threw in Biedrin's crap contract as well, that would be fine with me as heis a very good defensive C and him and DJ could share the burden.

Now we would need Aminu to really step up or Gomes to start rebounding more but this would be a great deal for the Clipps

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Aminu probably will be very good in another 2-3 years, hopefully. Yet I think if we get a melo or Granger, we compete heavily next year with BD at the point. I'm sticking with my guns on this one and focusing on that SF position now.

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The Warriors owner is an idiot! Curry makes Ellis look bad period! Watching the Clips Warriors game I thought Curry would be a great addition! He sees the floor well and has that shooters touch that can't be taught, is quick and has stamina for such a little guy. I vote yes yes YES!

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If wecan get that, then i still think that is the #1 option. I just dont think those trades will happen.

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Ellis is the better player. He is more durable, has the toughness, and can put up more points than Curry. Curry is very fragile and is not near the defender Ellis is.

I'd take Ellis over Curry 10/10 times.

Curry is a very finesse player. Great great kid but is not better than Ellis.

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Ellis didnt start out as tough or as good of a defender and also is pretty fragile himself.

Personally i like Curry and what he brings and prefer him to Ellis

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Who comes up with these proposals?

This doesn't make sense to Golden St as Kaman who is the featured player from the Clippers in this trade is not worthy as much as Curry and his potential is.

I'm not one to bash but who spurns these rumors, dreams, visions when they hold no substance???

Whatever happened to people on the forums that create these trade proposals talking about acquiring Ben Gordon, Teyshaun Prince, Richard Hamilton, etc etc ???

The threads come up, and then they disappear

I don't see the use or benefit for golden St acquiring Kaman whether its to play him or use him to trade him elsewhere when Curry's trade value is much higher.

Just wondering

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clipperboy24 wrote:
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As much as I like Curry, it doesn't make much sense to me to use our most tradeable asset to get a player that doesn't fit within our biggest area of need. Why use Kaman to get a guy that we'd have to figure out how to use? If we deal Kaman, I want it to be for a SF.

He would be playing PG and would be a huge upgrade over Baron. Baron could revert at any point and also is he really our long term solution?

Curry is still developing and even then he is still a very good player. he is a decet passer who is still growing as a PG and his shooting is unbelieveable.

Plus, this opens up the middle big time for our bigs to work and also for Aminu to start playing more as we could utilize his rebounding. This would be an amazing trade for us. If they threw in Biedrin's crap contract as well, that would be fine with me as heis a very good defensive C and him and DJ could share the burden.

Now we would need Aminu to really step up or Gomes to start rebounding more but this would be a great deal for the Clipps

You make good points, but I guess I'm not sold that Curry will ever really be a playmaking PG. He's a scorer who's capable of playing PG. Plus, he can be a pretty big defensive liability. Still, I wouldn't be upset if this trade happened.

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If GS is dumb enough to do this I'm all for it. After this season they can have BD and Kaman for Curry and Wright, I don't know how the numbers work but I would hop on this in a heartbeat to make something happen.

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Josh, before you get all negative, GS is making the trade because the combo of Ellis and Curry does not work. They have 2 great SG's splitting time at the PG spot. You basically have 2 scorers trying to be something they aren't.

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curry and gordon can make a deadly guard combination. they're both combo guards, so I can see it working. just like isaih thomas and joe dumars.

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I think a player like Curry would fit right in with our team. It would be tough to lose Kaman but depending on who would come with Curry I'd do this trade.

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if curry and ellis isn't working in golden state, how could a combination of curry and gordan be any better?... what the Clippers need and what Baron has learned to be is a pass first point guard who can play solid defense... curry is neither... Bledsoe suits the needs of the Clippers in the PG position better than Curry... what the clips need is to solidify the SF spot.

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You know, that's actually a very good analogy. There are definite similarities between Dumars and Gordon, particularly because they're both good defenders. The same is true of Curry and Thomas. Thomas was probably a little closer to a true PG than Curry is, but he definitely liked to score.

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Because Gordon is a much better defender than either Curry or Ellis. Unlike those two guys, Gordon can actually defend bigger guards because of his strength. A Curry-Gordon backcourt wouldn't get beat up defensively the same way the current Warriors backcourt does.

But, as I said above, I agree with you that the Clips priority should be upgrading the SF position.

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...for a guy that people don't think is a pg....he's currently ranked #8 at that position as he was last yr.....he play's pg just fine and can only improve....1.5 yrs in the league with FG% .464, 3PT% .425, FT% .902, TS% .572 eFG% .532, PER of 20.1 (this yr) plays good D....and is only 22...if you could get him...wow.

But not gonna get him IMO, for Kaman...need a lot more then that..we can dream though....

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ClipfanSince88 wrote:
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if curry and ellis isn't working in golden state, how could a combination of curry and gordan be any better?... what the Clippers need and what Baron has learned to be is a pass first point guard who can play solid defense... curry is neither... Bledsoe suits the needs of the Clippers in the PG position better than Curry... what the clips need is to solidify the SF spot.

Because Gordon is a much better defender than either Curry or Ellis. Unlike those two guys, Gordon can actually defend bigger guards because of his strength. A Curry-Gordon backcourt wouldn't get beat up defensively the same way the current Warriors backcourt does.

But, as I said above, I agree with you that the Clips priority should be upgrading the SF position.

I agree that Gordan is a better defender than Curry or Ellis, but it wouldn't change the fact that you would have two guards with a shoot first mentality... and one (Curry) be a defensive liability... i know the Clippers have had their issues with Baron Davis, but he is doing great and knows his role with this current Clipper team... Davis is doing a great job distributing the ball as is Bledsoe and Foye in the sg position... it really doesn't seem to make sense, or in the least a priority...

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tense2 wrote:
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if curry and ellis isn't working in golden state, how could a combination of curry and gordan be any better?... what the Clippers need and what Baron has learned to be is a pass first point guard who can play solid defense... curry is neither... Bledsoe suits the needs of the Clippers in the PG position better than Curry... what the clips need is to solidify the SF spot.

...for a guy that people don't think is a pg....he's currently ranked #8 at that position as he was last yr.....he play's pg just fine and can only improve....1.5 yrs in the league with FG% .464, 3PT% .425, FT% .902, TS% .572 eFG% .532, PER of 20.1 (this yr) plays good D....and is only 22...if you could get him...wow.

But not gonna get him IMO, for Kaman...need a lot more then that..we can dream though....

but whose going to feed the Beast (Griffin)?

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ps: curry plays the passing lanes well, but he'd get over powered and posted up by bigger guards like Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Jason Kidd, and Derrick Rose

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ragefury wrote:
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if curry and ellis isn't working in golden state, how could a combination of curry and gordan be any better?... what the Clippers need and what Baron has learned to be is a pass first point guard who can play solid defense... curry is neither... Bledsoe suits the needs of the Clippers in the PG position better than Curry... what the clips need is to solidify the SF spot.

...for a guy that people don't think is a pg....he's currently ranked #8 at that position as he was last yr.....he play's pg just fine and can only improve....1.5 yrs in the league with FG% .464, 3PT% .425, FT% .902, TS% .572 eFG% .532, PER of 20.1 (this yr) plays good D....and is only 22...if you could get him...wow.

But not gonna get him IMO, for Kaman...need a lot more then that..we can dream though....

but whose going to feed the Beast (Griffin)?

..Curry...he's averaging 5.9 assist now and he could easily add 2+ if he were to play with....The Beast....by the way Curry is only averaging 14.6 FGA...very efficient shooter.

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...cream of the crop (except for Kidd)....who doesn't get beat by those boys...lol

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^^^ Point taken...

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Do it today. Either of them. Picks, no problem. They want to send bad contracts, no problem. Whatever, get something for Kaman and move on.

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This would be awesome. I don't care who makes up these trades. I'd love to see Curry here.

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yeah i'd like to see how kaman returns first but at the moment ck is contributing nothing and we're doing well. if we trade nothing for one of the brightest young guards in the league to add to our core and rotate baron gordon and curry with some bledsoe i don't see it as a bad thing at all. we could at least try it out it can't hurt us too much and he'd be a good piece for trading if it ends up not working or if gordonleaves and we keep curry.

i also reckon aside from david lee sort of that the gsw front court is absolutely nothing on the clipper frount court when healthy. a lot of our bigs can play run and gun too. i think the lag of quality bigs for gs is a big part of why they are losing but i have not watched enough of their game to know for sure.

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....trading for him for nothing isn't going to get it done I'm afraid.

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They'd have to think hard about it if we offered Bledsoe and Kaman for Curry and Biedrens. Dump Biedren's terrible contract, bring a real center, and bring a prospect PG with strength and super speed to compliment Monta.

Curry is big time already and he's the type that will work hard to constantly improve. He'd get along well with Blake and Eric in this regard.

If I were GS though, I'd be totally focused on a package for Melo. Starting with Curry, there's nobody that could offer better.

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.....with Kaman's injury and $ owned plus next season being up in the air.. I think they feel that can get a better center through FA...would have to sweeten the deal with multiple 1st round picks, IMO

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yall kidding? of course curry fits!

so he's not your prototypical PG, but if GSW were nuts enough to do a curry/kaman package you GOTTA accept.

and its not like he's gotta come off the bench. start him at the 1 and let everyone understand their roles.

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tense2 wrote:
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They'd have to think hard about it if we offered Bledsoe and Kaman for Curry and Biedrens. Dump Biedren's terrible contract, bring a real center, and bring a prospect PG with strength and super speed to compliment Monta.

Curry is big time already and he's the type that will work hard to constantly improve. He'd get along well with Blake and Eric in this regard.

If I were GS though, I'd be totally focused on a package for Melo. Starting with Curry, there's nobody that could offer better.

.....with Kaman's injury and $ owned plus next season being up in the air.. I think they feel that can get a better center through FA...would have to sweeten the deal with multiple 1st round picks, IMO

they can definitely find a better C on the open market, but have you seen Biedrens contract? We'd be doing them a favor. 4 more years and he's making 9mil this season. Probably around 40mil still owed...That's a ton of money for a one-dimensional post guy.

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Therein lies the problem. No way should we swap out BD as a starter who IS a prototypical PG for Curry just because he's a lights out shooter.

That said, if we can swap Kaman for Curry, and he's willing to accept a more limited role than he has at GS, we should do it IMMEDIATELY. He can fill in during EJ's absence, and when he returns, come off the bench for him. We'd then have a pretty scary second unit. If we could somehow weasel Biedrins too, then we'd be golden.

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yall kidding? of course curry fits!

so he's not your prototypical PG, but if GSW were nuts enough to do a curry/kaman package you GOTTA accept.

and its not like he's gotta come off the bench. start him at the 1 and let everyone understand their roles.

Therein lies the problem. No way should we swap out BD as a starter who IS a prototypical PG for Curry just because he's a lights out shooter.

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but curry is more than a shooter. and baron's well...baron. considering his tendencies, i wouldnt consider it safe to say that baron's a prototypical 1.

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Curry/Gordon is not a playoff backcourt. Way too small to compete in the West.

Pass. I'd rather move Kaman for a big-time small forward. Or better bench players. Everything else on this team is set.

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gordon's small, but makes up for it with his strength. he's a bowling ball.

and stephen curry's 6-3 185. rajon rondo's 6-1, 170. eric bledsoe's 6-1 195.

besides, with jordan and griffin beasting in the paint, its not like we need curry for his size.

and its highly unlikely we can get a worthwhile big-time small forward for kaman. as for the bench players, wouldnt you want curry over bench players?

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Curry is in Kaman status.

Curry is not going to get traded unless it's for something worthwhile. Same thing Olshey said about Kaman. The only thing the owner is sure of, is keeping Ellis.

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ekker3 wrote:
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yall kidding? of course curry fits!

so he's not your prototypical PG, but if GSW were nuts enough to do a curry/kaman package you GOTTA accept.

and its not like he's gotta come off the bench. start him at the 1 and let everyone understand their roles.

Therein lies the problem. No way should we swap out BD as a starter who IS a prototypical PG for Curry just because he's a lights out shooter.

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but curry is more than a shooter. and baron's well...baron. considering his tendencies, i wouldnt consider it safe to say that baron's a prototypical 1.

More so than Curry, in both career APG and playmaking abilities. Don't get me wrong, Curry is multi-dimensional and I'd love to have him on the team. I just don't think it would be the right move to have him take Baron's starting spot.

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