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Post Subject: Coach Del Negro needs to go Post ID: 144123by Clippersfan86 » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:29 PM PST
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Ok this loss I paid very close attention to the details and tried to understand why we are losing and there are 2 obvious problems.

  1. Vinny Del Negro. His offensive and defensive schemes are TERRIBLE! I look at the shot clock and before we even set up on offense we usually have 7-10 seconds left on the shot clock which you won't see with another team in the league. I know part of it is Baron being older and slower but even Bledsoe and Foye do it. Then on top of it his plays are SO predictable. We either do a pick and roll with Blake or a post feed Iso for Blake. Nothing else I really see us do.

  2. Our outside shooters. Not a single one of our outside shooters has been consistent. Which has allowed defenses to murder Blake all game long. We need to get rid of a few of these guys and get a legit bench scorer like a Jamal Crawford or Jason Terry etc that can come into games and give you a boost. When our bench comes in we typically fall way behind.

I also think we need to bring Willie Warren out of D League and give him minutes. In like 5 games he's averaging 24 ppg, 8 rpg, 6 apg and 3 spg to go with efficient shooting last I saw.. or something absurd like that. Btw this isn't a reactionary type thread from me where we lost and I'm just pissed off and want to vent. I truly believe VDN is not the man for this job. Just like Dunleavy. We need a high quality coach.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Coach Del Negro needs to go Post ID: 144127by Clipswhit » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:35 PM PST
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Lmao people were pissed at me for suggesting that vdn should be demoted to assistant. I love how hard he has the team working, but his actual play calling its terrible...

                
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Post ID: 144128by Clippersfan86 » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:36 PM PST
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Yea.. He'd be amazing as a player development coach like I guess he helped with in Phoenix.. but as a head coach he's freaking bad!

                
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Post ID: 144129by seanrooks » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:39 PM PST
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Sloan?

                
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Post ID: 144130by Clipswhit » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:44 PM PST
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That would kill or chances for Deron in 2012 but I'd LOVE to have Sloan running the show here!

                
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Post ID: 144131by Clippersfan86 » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:45 PM PST
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Sloan is too old lol. I just talked to a bunch of Bulls fans and they said he's a "VERY VERY VERY good talent developer and defensive coach". Also that he's great at getting guys playing hard.. but offensively they were very gimped with Del Negro too. I still think we should move him to a FO position and get a new coach.

                
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Post ID: 144132by seanrooks » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:49 PM PST
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Well, this season is basically over(in terms of playoffs) so it might be better to go the bulls route with him: Let him develop our young guys for a couple years, get up to around 500, then if he really shows hes not able to take the next step after theyve developed, then replace him. Worked beautifully for the Bulls.

                
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Post ID: 144135by BACON » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:52 PM PST
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Post ID: 144137by elton_sucks42 » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:56 PM PST
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We just hired him and people are already talking about firing him? Come on guys, our top scoring leader is out. We are a solid team when healthy.

                
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Post ID: 144138by Clippersfan86 » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:57 PM PST
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seanrooks wrote:
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Sloan is too old lol. I just talked to a bunch of Bulls fans and they said he's a "VERY VERY VERY good talent developer and defensive coach". Also that he's great at getting guys playing hard.. but offensively they were very gimped with Del Negro too. I still think we should move him to a FO position and get a new coach.
Well, this season is basically over(in terms of playoffs) so it might be better to go the bulls route with him: Let him develop our young guys for a couple years, get up to around 500, then if he really shows hes not able to take the next step after theyve developed, then replace him. Worked beautifully for the Bulls.

Good point.

                
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Post ID: 144139by Griffinforpresident » Feb 14, 2011 - 09:59 PM PST
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Let VDN finish off the season to see how the team performs after the All-star break. If they are over .500 for the post-All-star break, he should be given at least half a season next year to see how the team performs.

Hopefully, the front office will acquire better players in the offseason to build around Eric and Blake. However, if Oshley does nothing, he and Sterling will be in deep trouble, and Clippernation will give them hell.

                
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Post ID: 144144by jarca » Feb 14, 2011 - 10:14 PM PST
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No coach can do a better job than VDN with this line up. imagine the injuries and also our dumb @ss GM olshey who has no idea how to put together a team.

                
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Post ID: 144146by Clippersfan86 » Feb 14, 2011 - 10:25 PM PST
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I agree we do have some major talent issues right now.... and depth issues. I still have a problem with our predictable offense and lack of ball movement. Can it really all be the players??

                
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Post ID: 144149by BoomRizzle » Feb 14, 2011 - 10:41 PM PST
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Post ID: 144151by ClipYourWings » Feb 14, 2011 - 10:49 PM PST
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This is Eric Gordon's team. What did you guys think was going to happen with him out? I already said there was no chance for the Clippers with EJ not playing. Our primary offense comes from the two man game BG and EG play. It's a two sided sword though, because when Gordon is out our lack of perimeter shooters becomes painfully apparent and teams can simply zone in on Griffin without much trouble.

To be honest, this season was lost the moment we lost 20 games half way through it. The way I see it we just need to continue playing, have the rookies develop, and draft either Irving or move him + other parts for Danny Granger/SF that can be part of the triple-threat we want to have going on here.

Oh, and GET BETTER BENCH PLAYERS.

                
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Post ID: 144153by SamMays » Feb 14, 2011 - 11:01 PM PST
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We have four NBA starting calibre players; Gordon, Griffin, Kaman and, lately, Baron... Two of them are out... Add to that, they are the two best shooters on a team that struggles with shooting... We survived with one of them out, but two of them is too much.

VDN doesn't have a chance with this group... Gomes and Foye are marginal bench players who can't be expected to play like NBA starters... Cook's hot start was a flash in the pan. That's over... After a month of making jump shots, Aminu looks every bit the bust he appeared to be in summer league... Bledsoe will get there, but he ain't there.

Sorry, but we can't condemn VDN for this mess. Olshey, on the other hand, can be condemned... I, along with many others, trumpeted very loudly what a miserable support team he'd put together last summer, long before they'd played a game... We were right...

Frankly, Olshey has been lucky in many ways. Griffin and Gordon both have performed well beyond expectations... Can you imagine how bad this team would have been if Griffin were simply the 17 and 9 guy many of us thought he would be, or if Gordon showed marginal improvement on previous years to 19 ppg?

Olshey has this summer to get it together or I will be calling loudly for his head... He needs to move Foye and Gomes where they belong, to 8th and 9th men and replace them with higher quality players.

                
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Post ID: 144154by SamMays » Feb 14, 2011 - 11:03 PM PST
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Oh and Utah just got rid of Sloan... My bet is, they get worse, not better for it.

                
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Post ID: 144155by tense2 » Feb 14, 2011 - 11:09 PM PST
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Clippersfan86 wrote:
jarca wrote:
No coach can do a better job than VDN with this line up. imagine the injuries and also our dumb @ss GM olshey who has no idea how to put together a team.

I agree we do have some major talent issues right now.... and depth issues. I still have a problem with our predictable offense and lack of ball movement. Can it really all be the players??

..."Can it really all be the players??".......90% of the time the answer is yes......we don't have a very good team yet...even with Blake and Gordon.....we need better players to surround these guys and the coaching will improve.

                
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Post ID: 144156by Stj12 » Feb 14, 2011 - 11:16 PM PST
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This aight a team at all that's the problem and The FO knows it there selling Blake tickets not Clippers Ticks look we have three legit NBA player Baron gordan and Blake everyone else would be at The end of the bench and we have bench players Player starting roles and like VD says they just can't Hit shots look the season done we need to make Moves get some help for Blake before it to late

                
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Post ID: 144157by ClipYourWings » Feb 14, 2011 - 11:18 PM PST
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Everyone on this site knows SamMays and I have hardly ever seen eye to eye on anything. But I agree 100% with this post.

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Post ID: 144161by ClipperB23 » Feb 14, 2011 - 11:33 PM PST
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I honestly don't think any coach would or could have done a better job than vinny has with this team, this is just a reaction u guys all having cuz of the past 3 horrible losses that we all thought was a win, I guarantee a successful coach like byron scott wouldn't have even been able to develop this clipper team faster either, give vinny til the end of this year but next year give this team a new SF also and we'll be talking big wins..also Eric gordon a top 5 scorer in the whole nba has been out so if u guys complaining vinnys offense isn't good its obviously bcuz foye can't fill in gordons place everynight, he came thru in new york but I doubt he could do that consistently. LAC.

                
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Post ID: 144165by tense2 » Feb 14, 2011 - 11:44 PM PST
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.."foye can't fill in gordons place everynight, he came thru in new york but I doubt he could do that consistently"......he can't as his LTFG% of .414 shows......C+ player when he's at his best.

                
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Post ID: 144177by seanrooks » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:03 AM PST
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If we ever get that much talent, i see Gomes and Foye as our Marquis Daniels and Nate Robinson. The Gomes-Daniels comparison- both great role players at the wing. Good defenders, smart players overall, and can contribute offensively from time to time. Gomes really hasn't been that bad this year, but he's just been asked to carry too much weight. Play him 25 instead of 35 minutes in a smaller role and he's a great role player. Foye-Robinson- two "combo"ish guards who like to shoot. When they're on, give em minutes and let them give you a boost off the bench, make 3s, etc. When they're off, leave em on the bench. Both of these guys can shoot their teams into a game. And, if you leave em in too long, they can sometimes shoot you out of it.

                
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Post ID: 144182by tense2 » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:17 AM PST
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.....actually Daniels/Robinson better shooters then Gomes/Foye...and this IS Gomes worst year ever shooting wise..plus he's playing about the same amount of minutes this year (30.1) as his LT average of 29.3......their C type bench help only..

                
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Post ID: 144186by LAC_12 » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:35 AM PST
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First off, Sloan is not coaching NBA again. Secondly, Eric Gordon is missing. Thirdly, Carlos effing Delfino.

                
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Post ID: 144188by ekker3 » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:42 AM PST
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greatest thread ever. not even halfway through the season and my signature rings true.

                
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Post ID: 144189by clipperstown » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:44 AM PST
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It's only been half a season haha. I DOUBT the players have already stopped listening to him..

                
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Post ID: 144190by ekker3 » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:52 AM PST
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vinny's a 41-41 coach. here's to going 21-7 the rest of the way. and knowing that EJ, Kaman, and Rhino are coming back and everyone's gonna get some rest, why CAN'T it happen?

                
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Post ID: 144191by Clippersfan86 » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:58 AM PST
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lol Embarassed BTW we have played like 53 or 55 games right? So quite a bit over half way mark

                
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Post ID: 144192by Clippersfan86 » Feb 15, 2011 - 01:02 AM PST
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I said it wasn't an overreaction thread by me but it obviously was. I mean I still think he can do a better job with his rotations and strategy... but I will admit with as bad as our talent/roster is right now... I shouldn't be as hard on him.

                
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Post ID: 144194by jcdigital » Feb 15, 2011 - 02:41 AM PST
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We all know vinny is here to develop the talent. Sure he probably wont be the coach to coach us into a championship, but he will develop our talent well, he has already proven he can do that. Let the guy coach, our team is hurting and they are ridiculously young still. I say let him develop our guys even if it means losing and make sure they are ready for when a coach with an actual system comes in to take this team to the championships.

                
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Post ID: 144196by SilentAssasinClips » Feb 15, 2011 - 03:07 AM PST
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I think we should keep VDN. Yeah he's not the greatest coach of all, but he probably our best option for this team. I just love he make this team play hard and he's not that coach we had for 7 years.

His job for now (this season) is continue to play hard and SHOW Eric Gordon and Deandre Jordan that this team is willing to compete for playoff and their talent are not waste here so hopefully they can sign their respective extension. Also for Neil Oshley, don't pull us a Foye and Gome crap again and don't be lazy at it as well. Donald Sterling, you got really lucky in Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon, pull out your wallet and pay those guys plus high quality players as well.

                
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Post ID: 144198by toohipcliptoslip » Feb 15, 2011 - 03:47 AM PST
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We thrive on over reacting. If you don't routinely over react and act bipolar you aren't Clipper Nation (who still rules) BTW have you noticed that on TV it is said by the experts that we're the craziest most loyal fans in the NBA. Over react your arse off!!

Down to biness. Our present squad sucks. We're not very good now.Without the Nation for athletic support they'd get squashed at home too. Very Happy

The problem with VDN - He has a squad that can't score. It's Baron's team not EJ but-- it looks like a quilting bee in the post because there is no reliable shooter, not necessarily EJ but any shooter. Blake is doubled and tripled and we still don't score. HOWEVER-- VDN doesn't make the best use of what he has. Unless he peed in VDN's shoe Sool should start and AFA should sit. Trade Sool or play him. AFA's ~25% on Bingo's and plays like a kid with a load in his diaper. Cook should get a lot more minutes. Without EJ, DeAndre contributes not at all to scoring. As far as running the same plays, who do we have who can execute other plays as opposed to executing our chances to win?

Foye needs a lot of touches. Make him our Gordonette or we will never win. He's worth 15+. As far as DJ starting, with a 100% healthy CK I don't think so. Kaman is worth 15ppg kinda consistantly. DJ could start or come off the bench depending on matchups. Get Mike Miller.

A healty CK and EJ and Baron playing like he is we have a starting squad to rival anybody but Boston.

                
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Post ID: 144201by ClipYourWings » Feb 15, 2011 - 04:47 AM PST
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My question is "Where the hell does he get his offensive sets from?" We have the most unorganized offense in the league, by far. I really hope he takes a lot of what's gone wrong with this season into consideration in the summer and develops that part of his game.

I'm also really pissed we missed out on Thibodeau. Just, ugh.

                
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Post ID: 144203by afishLClipp » Feb 15, 2011 - 05:31 AM PST
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Hey guys, don't know if you've heard this, but recently Karl Malone said he was interested in coaching. Now I'm not suggesting that the Clippers get him as a coach, but he's got to start somewhere and I think the Clippers could really use his help as a specialist brought in for their pick and rolls, ESP the pick part. At least 75% of the time they just set horrible picks, which often then leads to nothing, forcing the Clippers to restart the offense when there's no time left on the clock.

Plus, you know he'd love to work with BG to!!

                
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Post ID: 144204by toohipcliptoslip » Feb 15, 2011 - 06:44 AM PST
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To work with Malone you'd have to have the IQ of a sneaker and the manners of a drunken pit bull.

Remember this is the guy who refused to play with Magic Johnson, refused to see his son and made a pass at Kobe's wife and was one of the dirtiest players ever.

                
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Post ID: 144205by clipsfansincebirth » Feb 15, 2011 - 09:43 AM PST
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We have the youngest team in the nba.................our bench was never good to start the season with........and the 8th leading scorer in the nba is out injured and so is our first all star in 4 years.

People need to be realistic ........ This team was garbage from the beginning........this has nothing to do with vinny del negro and everything to do with the players

Jordan has zero offense gomes is not a scorer and randy foye is a role player. And all of them are starting now. Oh and Aminu is garbage and Bledsoe is hitting the wall.

People need to stop overestimating this team based on potential.............we are already on track for more wins than all of last season.

                
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Post ID: 144208by Paolo310 » Feb 15, 2011 - 10:29 AM PST
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i'm not gonna speculate on VDN since i know all year that the whole team has been plagued with injuries. now our #1 offensive option is out and people are crying for the coach to be fired.

                
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Post ID: 144209by Icecoldclipper » Feb 15, 2011 - 10:35 AM PST
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I honestly believe this is all Oshley's fault free agency was pure terrible looking at the time frame in which we signed these players makes no sense. Number one goal right now is to get an upgrade SF and then a bench.

Vinny can't do much to fix guys who constantly miss open shoots or who are not confident in shooting open shots. People talk about DJ making it harder on shooter these guys won't shoot I've seen guys get open looks every game on this road trip but will pass it up and try to attack without the athleticism to get inside (looking at you Foye and Gomes) and the bench... you can't win until this team has someone off the bench who can create offense.

FREE WILLIE WARREN!

                
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Post ID: 144210by Clipper-Josh » Feb 15, 2011 - 10:43 AM PST
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Why does VDN need to go???

Where's the DTS needs to go thread!!!

It starts at the top.......

I sound repetitive and redundant, and I'm not sure why its so hard for you guys to understand.

VDN is olny a pawn in all this, and it's his 1st year and already has to deal with injuries and the Clipper curse.

Wehn DTS leaves, that opens up the invitation to being someone that wants to win and makes this team their priority.

                
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Post ID: 144211by tense2 » Feb 15, 2011 - 10:50 AM PST
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...ah yes...."The Common Denominator"...in the 30 years of LA Clipper history..

                
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Post ID: 144212by TheDude » Feb 15, 2011 - 10:52 AM PST
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There's a lot of people that need to go before VDN. I'm amazed at what he's done with a team of 4 players and 10 fillers he was handed in this team.

During the part of the season in which we were ONLY missing our All Star Center, we were basically one of the toughest teams in the league. Something like 14-8 during that span...He hasn't even had more than a couple games this year with a full squad. I'm impressed with him. Moreso than anyone in the organization outside of Blake and Eric.

                
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Post ID: 144214by clipboard » Feb 15, 2011 - 11:45 AM PST
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Really , the Clippers have to go. Even with no NFL, two teams is too much for LA to support and the tax brakes for Sport Entertainment will go early in any tax reform.

                
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Post ID: 144216by Afm » Feb 15, 2011 - 11:57 AM PST
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Theres so many problems with this team right now and it all comes down to youth and lack of experience. Seriously Eric is the glue and without him the clips become stale and frustrated on offense and lost on defense. Eric's 22 but he was already the silent calm and cool that made us flow. Can't blame vinny, blame bledsoe making sick plays only to follow them up with a stupid mistake, or aminu looking overwhelmed. Also anyone remember what kaman even looks like on the court? It seems like so much has transpired in his absence. Vinnys doing all he can and at least he looks involved. Give him a break.

                
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Post ID: 144219by clipperAndrew » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:06 PM PST
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as long as we can get to 30 wins or more I will be happy. We went from 19 to 29 wins and if we can get more than that we have shown growth. Just need to get that one solid player to help in the offseason and pray we stay healthy next year.

                
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Post ID: 144221by ekker3 » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:13 PM PST
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i still think we can reach 35. sad thing is that if we do, it'll rank as the 7th best finish in franchise history. Embarassed

                
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Post ID: 144224by Clipper-Josh » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:16 PM PST
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Olshey.....line 1 !!!!!

                
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Post ID: 144226by clipperboy24 » Feb 15, 2011 - 12:32 PM PST
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sports fans are hilarious, no back bone or resilience. Clippers fans are probably the most resilient and even we cant avoid succumbing to the "Abandon Ship" mentality.

I never was a fan of VDN as a coach (kinda liked him on the Spurs) but he really does seem to develop the young talent well. If we keep on this development path we will probably make the payoffs next year.

Also, the way that VDN has helped Baron get in line is brilliant. For that reason alone he has earned his salary. He is turning an extremely negative investment into a relatively mediocre one, which in Baron's case is amazing.

                
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Post ID: 144232by elton_sucks42 » Feb 15, 2011 - 01:22 PM PST
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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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No coach can do a better job than VDN with this line up. imagine the injuries and also our dumb @ss GM olshey who has no idea how to put together a team.

I agree we do have some major talent issues right now.... and depth issues. I still have a problem with our predictable offense and lack of ball movement. Can it really all be the players??

Yes. 2/5th of our starting lineup are former minnesota timberwolves starters from last year. How many games did Minny win last year? Just saying.

We are a playoff team with when we have Baron, Blake, and EJ healthy. Baron is actually earning his money since VDN came on board.

                
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elton_sucks42 wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
jarca wrote:
No coach can do a better job than VDN with this line up. imagine the injuries and also our dumb @ss GM olshey who has no idea how to put together a team.

I agree we do have some major talent issues right now.... and depth issues. I still have a problem with our predictable offense and lack of ball movement. Can it really all be the players??

Yes. 2/5th of our starting lineup are former minnesota timberwolves starters from last year. How many games did Minny win last year? Just saying.

We are a playoff team with when we have Baron, Blake, and EJ healthy. Baron is actually earning his money since VDN came on board.

.."We are a playoff team with when we have Baron, Blake, and EJ healthy. Baron is actually earning his money since VDN came on board"......disagree.....maybe, just maybe when we play at home are we a playoff contender..

                
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