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Post subject: Trade Thorton, and move up in draft next year.
 Posted: Jan 03, 2008 - 08:31 PM PST
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As much as I like Thorton, I think the guy is going to be really good, but I am worried that Brand might not resign if Maggette is not around. And, at this time, Maggette is the better player. If we end up at a number 5 to 6 pick in this draft, we may want to package Thorton and our pick to go to the number 2 spot or Maggette and our high pick for the number 4 spot. I would not give Thorton up period unless we could either get Michael Beasley or Derrick Rose. I might give Maggette up to move to the 3 or 4 spot and pick up one of the point guards or shooting guards in that area. Even though Maggette is very good, I don't think we could get the number 1 or 2 selection unless we are at the 3 or 4 spot and give him up.
The bottom line is, I have written this season off. What advantage is it for us to even make the playoffs and get knocked out in the first round. I love speculation. I always think to the future.
Oh, if you check hoopshype rumors, they tell you everything that is speculated. I heard the stupidest rumor that New Jersey offered Vince Carter and their back up point guard for Elton Brand. They said that if the Clippers would insist on getting Sean Williams from them in the deal, that that would be giving up too much. That writer from New Jersey is a moron. Nobody wants their players anyway. I rather have Brand with one leg than those players. |
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Post subject: RE: Trade Thorton, and move up in draft next year.
Posted: Jan 03, 2008 - 09:03 PM PST
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| no way we should trade Al |
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Post subject: RE: Trade Thorton, and move up in draft next year.
Posted: Jan 04, 2008 - 12:02 AM PST
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I agree that it would be absolutely stupid to trade The Thorn. He will be better than Maggette. He may become better than Brand (he has more potential than Elton ever did). It took him a couple years to dominate at Florida State, it will take him a few to dominate in the NBA. This guy is the real deal. He hasnt played a bunch of minutes this year and that's why he doesnt have the numbers you'd expect.
Even if we dont trade up in the draft, the lottery talent pool is huge this year. We'll get someone good, thats for sure. You dont invest in 1st rounders, only to trade them away. |
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Post subject: RE: Trade Thorton, and move up in draft next year.
Posted: Jan 04, 2008 - 12:54 AM PST
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thornton is the only bright point of this season.
I think Brand and Maggette will not make their decision based on the other's |
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Post subject: RE: Trade Thorton, and move up in draft next year.
Posted: Jan 04, 2008 - 04:00 PM PST
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Giving up Thornton for anything now is not the way to go. Why would we trade a gem like that. true, he hasn't produced like he did in the off-season but he hasn't played as much in the regular season. One thing I've noticed
is that he seemed a little too nervous during his first few games. I think that is his nature but look at him now, the guy is finally making strides for the little time he has played. I also think that he has the ability to do what Maggette hasn't been able to do. The guy works both sides of the court....Maggette doesn't. I say Thornton is the last person you want to trade. I also agree with JL that Thornton might end up being an equal to EB in the future.
The guy is so versatile that it boggles me. This guy can shoot the 3pt'er has a great dribble and shoot from mid-range and can run the floor. Trade him and you traded the future face of this franchise. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Trade Thorton, and move up in draft next year.
Posted: Jan 04, 2008 - 04:16 PM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
The guy is so versatile that it boggles me. This guy can shoot the 3pt'er has a great dribble and shoot from mid-range and can run the floor. Trade him and you traded the future face of this franchise.
How many times have the Clippers gotten this kind of talent in the past few years (not since Lamar Odom)?? Clippers brass has been drafting hard workers, but not necessarily high talents. Great point C_Joe...we NEED to keep this guy! |
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Posted: Jan 04, 2008 - 04:40 PM PST
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| Trade Thornton? Why? It's a little early to even think of that! You want to package a trade deal for a better lottery position, use some of the guys that HAVEN'T shown any inclination to play defense, like Thomas or possibly even Corey. Predictions about Al being eventually as good as EB might (and note I did say might) be on the optimistic side, Brand has been pretty freaking good after all, while Al still has that "good shoot, no assist" rap. Al definitely DOES put out some defensive effort though, which is a huge plus in the long run, and we all have high hopes for his learning to give the ball up occasionally. But, as j-43 points out... you don't like to give up your 1st rounders. Its bad for business all around. We'll likely (unfortunately) be in line for a high pick, Rose would be sweet, but if Shaun comes back healthy we'd be better off with Gordon or Batum at the 2 anyway, and one of them will probably be there for us. I'd hate to think that we'd trade Al only to see him flourish with somebody else! 'Course if EB bolts things change considerably, but I still don't see trading Thornton, who can play that position in addition to 3. Hey, if by chance Corey AND EB go, Thornton would be a lifesaver! |
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Posted: Jan 05, 2008 - 05:10 AM PST
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| Getting rid of Thornton would be a mistake. We don't yet know how good he can be but it looks real good. Next year he's a better prospect than Magette and way cheaper. We all know who Corey is and he ain't gonna improve. No one is exstatic. True as well, Al has the shot Corey should have developed. If Al is consistant and can make reasonable decisions I don't see why EB or anyone else wouldn't want him. |
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Posted: Jan 06, 2008 - 02:57 AM PST
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| No guarantee any of those guys in next years draft are going to be better down the road than Thorton. Thorton is a scoring machine waiting to happen. We need to think about losing Maggette next summer. If he is quietly signaling to the Clips that he is gone, we need to trade him for a shooter before the trading deadline. |
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Posted: Jan 06, 2008 - 10:58 AM PST
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| I see that Montana's idea isn't supported by the rest of the class...Me neither, of course. At this point I don't know which way we must take. Trade Thornton is obvious that is not the right way but I'm more sceptic about Gette. I think his days are coming to the end. Cassell will leave, maybe Brand...We need to "rebuild" around Brand, Kaman and Thornton. The most difficult for a team is filling the frountcourt positions and we already have it. We need a PG, and a shooter. PG is José Calderon. And the shooter...I still don't know. Is there any shooter in the next draft. And what about a sign and trade with Portland: Gette for Webster + Rudy Fernandez!!!Is possible to make a sign and trade with Gette??? |
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Posted: Jan 07, 2008 - 12:03 AM PST
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| I like those ideas a lot Miquel. Jose Calderon would be a great signing, and I'd pull the trigger on Maggette for Webster & Rudy. I'm not sure if Portland would do it, however, especially since they're playing so well. |
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Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 02:01 AM PST
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| Who is Jose Calderon anyway? |
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Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 12:11 PM PST
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| If it's who I think it is, Calderon is the second unit point for Toronto who has so ably stepped up and led that team now that TJ Ford is down with another scary neck injury. It's too bad really, the Raptors looked set with the speedy Ford and the very capable Calderon as maybe the league's best one-two punch at point, but then Ford went down after Horford accidentally whacked him trying to defend a fast break, so now it's Calderon starting at the helm. This also means (unfortunately) that the chances of us picking him up are like slim and none. You'd think that there'd be almost no way Toronto lets him go now but such is life. Our point guard needs will likely have to be met either with the healthy return of Shaun, something we should ALL be hoping for, or possibly through the draft, which happens to be remarkably deep in PG talent this year. Not that you really like to gamble on being led by a rook, usually a PG at that position takes a year or two to develop, it's such a tough position in the bigs, but there is some really good talent out there. Rose naturally, is on everyone's A-list, but Bayless from Arizona is highly regarded, as is Darren Collison from UCLA and DJ Augustin from Texas. Also to a slightly lesser extent Ty Lawson from NC and Singletary from Virginia. If we look to the draft for a point, there's a good crop out there for sure! I have to admit though that I don't quite trust Mayo at the positon... I don't know, I kinda see him as Stephon Marbury revisited and do we really want that? I could be wrong, but OJ seems a little too much about OJ at this stage, especially for a PG. A trade or free agent signing is of course, always another possibility. |
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Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 03:50 PM PST
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JamFan wrote:
Who is Jose Calderon anyway?
I will supose is just a joke...Oh me oh my!!!  
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PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG AST APG TO TOPG AP48M AST/TO
1 Steve Nash , PHX 34 34.4 416 12.2 123 3.6 17.1 3.38
2 Jason Kidd , NJN 32 37.6 342 10.7 121 3.8 13.6 2.83
3 Chris Paul , NOH 32 37.7 331 10.3 82 2.6 13.2 4.04
4 Deron Williams , UTA 35 37.3 315 9.0 125 3.6 11.6 2.52
5 Jamaal Tinsley , IND 29 34.8 251 8.7 103 3.6 11.9 2.44
6 Jose Calderon , TOR 34 29.3 280 8.2 45 1.3 13.5 6.22
7 Baron Davis , GSW 35 39.6 287 8.2 101 2.9 9.9 2.84
8 LeBron James , CLE 29 39.9 222 7.7 91 3.1 9.2 2.44
9 Chauncey Billups , DET 32 33.5 241 7.5 68 2.1 10.8 3.54
10 Dwyane Wade , MIA 26 38.2 182 7.0 118 4.5 8.8 1.54 |
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Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 07:56 PM PST
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| Calderon is the man!!! too bad TJ got hurt. |
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Posted: Jan 11, 2008 - 03:23 PM PST
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| Al Thornton will turn out to be a GREAT player, we just need to be patient!! |
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