Clippers' Eric Gordon makes a couple of points-Mo vs. BD (P. 2)

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If Gordon is injured every year because he was making basketball moves to help us win a game that are NOT PREVENTABLE I will never blame him...if he comes to camp out of shape and disinterested in playing and misses game because of something PREVENTABLE than I will blame him.

How anyone compares to the two is just plane ignorant. Missing games is missing games I agree there, but the way it happens you cannot compare the two.

Part of the reason why Gordon is getting hurt is because of the way he drives. He goes in a straight line, trying to beat his man. Players like Rose, Kobe, and the sort have the ability to change, stop, and alter the the direction they're going in based on the way the defense is moving. In other words, your chances of getting hit hard when you're going in a straight line versus guys that move around the defense are far more likely to get hurt.

And lets put things into perspective, Gordon hasn't done a THING in his time here. He lost him last season when we were close to .500 and we lost him this season when we were the hottest team. That is the plain truth whether you want to play the ignorant card or not. The only times we had a chance to change things around here, Gordon has gotten hurt.

Plain unadulterated truth, right there.

Gordon has flaws in his game, I am not arguing that. I am arguing you cant compare a guy who doesnt have interest in his team to a guy who plays 100 percent every game.

Injuries are apart of the game in every sport...but If i have to a team member get injured I rather it because he was driving to the hoop not going on Jenny Craig. A sports figure promoting a weight loss plan in the prime of his career says a lot about Barons lack of dediaction. An Athlete in his Prime should not have to go on a weight loss plan to lose FAT. Ever.

Truth.

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Ok lets trade Gordon for Baron this off season.

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Doesn't send a red flag up to me at all! Gordon is probably one of the smartest guys out on the floor and has been working to lead this team since he got here because it was blatantly obvious Baron wasn't going to do anything, so a 19 year old kid had to step up and take the reigns because our overpaid "leader" wasn't going to be doing his job. Baron heard it from everyone everywhere and it was clearly a big part his fault we were doing so bad.

Baron deserved every negative remark made about him by every player, analyst and fan out there ( that wasn't racist, tho I never saw anything like that ). Gordon was always explosive and was always going to be a big key in the Clipper Cog that was going to be running for years, Baron wasn't. Gordon may not have said or done the right things but Baron needed to go, OR start playing with some real heart out there.

Had Gordon remained healthy this entire season I would suspect he would have made the All-Star team. Basically putting up nearly identical D Wade numbers would have been too hard to overlook. Baron was holding Gordon back, and the team itself back. It took KIDS ( compared to Baron ) to step up and turn this ship around from the storm we were in, to calmer seas. That's pretty sad.

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Oh, am I "Jim Crowing" them, too? roll

Ah, the moderator card has been pulled. Should I have not used my "power of corruption" to bring you back after you were banned? You're right, how dare me be so corrupt to PM you and tell you, you deserve a second shot. How sad, stupid, and corrupt of me to have the decency to bring you back at the expense of stepping on someone else's toes. Shame on me.

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Why even trade Gordon for Baron. This isnt about Baron, its about Gordon. Funny thing is...Gordon might not even be here in a few years. All signs shows he's gonna want to be the "Man" in Indiana.

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I don't think it's fair to characterize EJ as a "me first player" based off of some criticism of Baron. It's obvious that those two never had a good relationship, but just b/c EJ doesn't like Baron, in my mind, doesnt validate that assessment.

I think EJ's disdain for Baron started at the very beginning...As this season has shown, Baron has gone out of his way to put Blake in the best possible position to succeed...I don't believe he ever did that with EJ. He didn't seem to mentor EJ as a rookie, and in EJ's second year I feel there were many times where Baron blatantly iced EJ out of the offense and refused to pass him the ball.

Now obviously, these are just my obsvervations, but if I were to enter the NBA and the leader of the team treated me in this manner, I don't believe I'd have a great relationship with him either.

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Since when does a good moderator of any website start jumping on people's throats just because they don't agree with someones idea.............looks like power does corrupt............sad

Oh, am I "Jim Crowing" them, too? roll

Ah, the moderator card has been pulled. Should I have not used my "power of corruption" to bring you back after you were banned? You're right, how dare me be so corrupt to PM you and tell you, you deserve a second shot. How sad, stupid, and corrupt of me to have the decency to bring you back at the expense of stepping on someone else's toes. Shame on me.

wow you are ignorant

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Joe and I have gotten into plenty of times, **** I've seen other moderators here get into some heated arguments with others as well. Moderators or no, they are still people with their own opinions and views on this team.

Joe at times has even admitted he's more Pro Baron than anyone else and will argue tooth and nail bringing up stats, numbers and facts that the majority overlook. I think a great deal of people here got real tired of Baron after last season and only recently started coming around to him once he really started playing well the last 2 months before he got traded. But it still doesn't call for any of his poor play, attitude, work ethic etc to be erased or forgiven.

He doesn't get brought up much, but I'd defend Lamar Odom to death if anyone talked crap about him constantly here. Baron and Odom were basically the same player towards the end, hated by most, had their own personal issues that people didn't like about them and they were eventually moved. Odom was my fav NBA player when he hit the scene and was for many years until he turned traitor and ended up on the Lakers. Seeing him on the Kardashians show makes me feel he's a funny, laid back guy and I'm glad he found success somewhere else, just wish we would have kept him. His jersey is up on my wall about 2 feet from my face right now.

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lol@had Gordon been healthy all year. I guess had he been healthy all year since being here we might make playoffs? Thats exactly why he didnt make allstar. That why he doesnt qualify for top 10 scorer this year...because why? He doesnt not enough games played or point score. why? Because the NBA said you arent qualified because you been missing too many games this year.

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Be sure to ban me then and please black list everyone related to me so they don't ever make the mistake of coming on this site to be abused and have racist moderator joe here accost them.

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clipsfansincebirth wrote:
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Since when does a good moderator of any website start jumping on people's throats just because they don't agree with someones idea.............looks like power does corrupt............sad

Oh, am I "Jim Crowing" them, too? roll

Ah, the moderator card has been pulled. Should I have not used my "power of corruption" to bring you back after you were banned? You're right, how dare me be so corrupt to PM you and tell you, you deserve a second shot. How sad, stupid, and corrupt of me to have the decency to bring you back at the expense of stepping on someone else's toes. Shame on me.

wow you are ignorant

That's what I thought when you said I was "Jim Crowing" you. Embarassed

Anyway, great comeback. Next time, you're on your own. last time I stick my head for you.

youngkano
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Diff between Odom and Davis...Odom talk crap about clippers, didnt want to be here and wabted to leave the first chance he got. Davis hasnt done any of that and wanted to be here. Big difference.

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The racist that brought you back here after someone else BANNED you? That kind of racist? So now you are associating unbanning to accosting?

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lol wow. Just lock this thread.

Don't ask to be banned and be an idiot. I've done that on multiple forums, usually hammered. Getting pissy with people over the internet is stupid. Is this really how you want to spend parts of your day arguing with someone on the internet? Granted I'm trying to coach you into the right direction by getting off this site for the next couple hours until you can cool down but w/e.

If you don't like Clipper Joe, there's an IGNORE button, thus you can ignore everything he says, I have never done that to anyone here but you can make it so you don't have to see anything he writes. Then your problem with Joe is solved.

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Word. There are options here. I mean, he was banned by someone else and I unbanned him. Tell me this guy isn't focusing his anger towards the guy that helped him out? Must be disturbed.

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I hope i dont ever get banned. Im like one of the most like guys on here. Everyone loves me and my opinions. LoL

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No help its basic NBA knowledge young teams struggle greatly on the road now add all our vets were down and the ones we had were Foye (inconsistent) and Gomes (worthless) only vets we had that brought it were Davis and Diogu. With all that Baron still played his ass off and led a 4th quarter charge in all those games. We played elite teams and Baron couldn't rest for a second because Bledsoe was so horrible running the team after we got done with the elite teams Baron was wearing down from the strain and his knee went out which was the most understandable injury we have had all season. Even then he rode it out. Against the Cavs we were deflated mentally and physically Baron tried late to steal the game back but it was a terrible perfromance by everyone.

We also lost successive games to the Cavs, Raptors, and Bucks...

Yes, its was the middle part of the trip we played elite teams and Baron wore down. His play kept us in games and it broke him down he gave everything in the Cavs game and it was not enough. hard to win anywhere on the road with no vet help

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Be sure to ban me then and please black list everyone related to me so they don't ever make the mistake of coming on this site to be abused and have racist moderator joe here accost them.

The racist that brought you back here after someone else BANNED you? That kind of racist? So now you are associating unbanning to accosting?

Keep talking joe and I will make sure that the owner of the site regrets the day he made you a moderator on it.... people don't usually keep websites moderated by racists and stay afloat......especially ones that are oriented towards specific organizations that most likely would shun that idea.

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clipsfansincebirth wrote:
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Be sure to ban me then and please black list everyone related to me so they don't ever make the mistake of coming on this site to be abused and have racist moderator joe here accost them.

The racist that brought you back here after someone else BANNED you? That kind of racist? So now you are associating unbanning to accosting?

Keep talking joe and I will make sure that the owner of the site regrets the day he made you a moderator on it.... people don't usually keep websites moderated by racists and stay afloat......especially ones that are oriented towards specific organizations that most likely would shun that idea.

Now you're making threats? SMH.

LoneyROY7
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It's a shame that threads with solid debate and discussion get hijacked by this BS.

youngkano
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I don't recall any racist remark...did i miss something?

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Who the hell is the owner of the site? Do you even know? Given the fact that Joe and the other moderators are prob in good graces with the person that runs the site, if its not Joe himself, there's little you can do to get a moderator's moderation privies revoked, let alone them getting kicked off the site.

Are you like 12? Are you the guy that says, IM GONNA SUE YOU for no reason whatsoever just because someone pisses you off or does something?

clipsfansincebirth
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Court of law is not a threat its an option.........that can be pursed if joe would like to keep up with his racist comments towards a black person on this site.

LoneyROY7
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Wow.

youngkano
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I don't recall any racist remark...did i miss something?

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LOL WHEN THE F WAS JOE BEING RACIST? You do realize you can't sue someone or bring up legal issues if you aren't the actual party right

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Sterling mode in here lol everyone calm down this is not that serious.

clipsfansincebirth
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An apology from Joe is all that is needed to end the situation.....

Taylor
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Also an FYI - St. Patty's day was yesterday, not today.

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Yes, I'd love for you do find a lawyer that will take a case for unbanning you. Just make sure you file with the correct name:

CLIPPER*JOE

Also, there are no laws for the internet. Cyberstalking is something that has been used in certain cases but then again, you're coming here and logging in, right? lol

Let me know when you "lawyer up". I'll give you all my information. I'd love to be the first moderator in the state of California charged for moderation. Remember, make sure you use the star between Clipper and Joe. That would be an insult to me if you didn't include it.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Court of law is not a threat its an option.........that can be pursed if joe would like to keep up with his racist comments towards a black person on this site.

Yes, I'd love for you do find a lawyer that will take a case for unbanning you. Just make sure you file with the correct name:

CLIPPER*JOE

Also, there are no laws for the internet. Cyberstalking is something that has been used in certain cases but then again, you're coming here and logging in, right? lol

Let me know when you "lawyer up". I'll give you all my information. I'd love to be the first moderator in the state of California charged for moderation. Remember, make sure you use the star between Clipper and Joe. That would be an insult to me if you didn't include it.

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lol

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Court of law is not a threat its an option.........that can be pursed if joe would like to keep up with his racist comments towards a black person on this site.

Yes, I'd love for you do find a lawyer that will take a case for unbanning you. Just make sure you file with the correct name:

CLIPPER*JOE

Also, there are no laws for the internet. Cyberstalking is something that has been used in certain cases but then again, you're coming here and logging in, right? lol

Let me know when you "lawyer up". I'll give you all my information. I'd love to be the first moderator in the state of California charged for moderation. Remember, make sure you use the star between Clipper and Joe. That would be an insult to me if you didn't include it.

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ready to apologize? and I never said sue a moderator ....... I said take legal action .....entailing getting the site removed if you feel it necessary to continue to spew more ignorant racist statements.

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Wow... and my girl loves watching Jersey Shore....i should have her log on here and read some of the stuff that goes on in here. LoL

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You know what? We were having a discussion before you hijacked this thread. I never even knew your race until after you accused me of "Jim Crowing" you. SMFH.

You owe me a apology for unbanning you. Biggest mistake of my internet life. You don't deserve an apology, and you ain't going to get one from me.

You should be thankful I was nice enough to talk the other moderator into bringing you back. I owe him an apology, not you.

You can cry wolf all you want, unless you can prove I was racially insensitive towards you, I suggest you STFU. If you think I said something racial, well by all means, hit the search button and pop that sucker out. If I wrote something bad, it's still here. Put up or shut up.

Do me a favor, embarrass me and find whatever it is that I said was racist and screen capture it and send to the proper party. Hell, put it here and embarrass me with it. Stop being childish and man up.

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YOUR RACIST JOE! I'm gonna sue you

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clipper*joe wrote:
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An apology from Joe is all that is needed to end the situation.....

You know what? We were having a discussion before you hijacked this thread. I never even knew your race until after you accused me of "Jim Crowing" you. SMFH.

You owe me a apology for unbanning you. Biggest mistake of my internet life. You don't deserve an apology, and you ain't going to get one from me.

You should be thankful I was nice enough to talk the other moderator into bringing you back. I owe him an apology, not you.

You can cry wolf all you want, unless you can prove I was racially insensitive towards you, I suggest you STFU. If you think I said something racial, well by all means, hit the search button and pop that sucker out. If I wrote something bad, it's still here. Put up or shut up.

Do me a favor, embarrass me and find whatever it is that I said was racist and screen capture it and send to the proper party. Hell, put it here and embarrass me with it. Stop being childish and man up.

Embarrass you? not what I am looking for, just an apology

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I didn't see nothing racist but u guys all need to smoke a blunt and relax..dam i was about to post something but i forgot

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why do some people think that just because somebody is a moderator that they have to sit here and agree with everything that is said.

Clipsfan i don't know why your arguing a case that does not exist..

Does CJ have a strong opinion? yes he has every right to have one he is a fan after all, and yes it might make some people mad as would your opinion about certain things bout the team.

Is Joe racist? from the time that i have been here never have seen him even hint a racist remark.

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Good luck with that. ICE and Homeland Security can barely get the illegal streaming sites shutdown. A state does not have jurisdiction over websites but you knew that all along, right?

No one is buying anything you're spewing. Empty, shallow, and hollow threats is not going to get you anywhere.

By the way, david is the administrator. You can pm him and tell him your tall tale. You know how to PM, right? Tell him your recollection of events and give him the proof and I will be banned from here. Please do it. Either you have a case, or you're just going to be laughed at like some here are doing to you.

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Hey, I want to have a fling with Jessica Alba, ain't going to happen either. You don't deserve an apology. You deserve to be banned again for making false accusations on a person. Since this is only the internet, my rep isn't going to get hurt so I don't really care. You're the one people are laughing at, and that is redemption enough for me.

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pray for your racist site

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I'll pray for your ignorant soul...if you have one.

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My dad can beat up your dad!

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No i doubt it. My dad walks around with nunchucks haha

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You can sort of get a feel for Eric Gordon's tone, but it's not a secret that they had a somewhat strained relationship. I'm pretty sure he didn't want to say any more than he already did. Still it's going to be interesting when EJ and the clipps play Barons Cavaliers. I expect Baron to show up big for that game and put a career defining night.

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I don't see where Joe made any thing remotely close to a racist comment. If you don't like his posts please feel free to put him on your ignore list. Thanks and please stay on topic and stop with the sniping.

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LoneyROY7 wrote:
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Look, People around here know that I have been very critical of EJ the past 2 seasons. Up until this season, he was terrible in the paint. This season he became a little more composed. I gave him props. I just don't think he should be talking the way he has n the media, he isn't a player that merits that stage. It also makes him look petty coming out talking about his teammates like that. EJ is a me first player through and through.

Seems like the only person that had a grudge on BD was EJ. No one else seemed to. Doesn't that send up a red flag about the way EJ carries himself?

I don't think it's fair to characterize EJ as a "me first player" based off of some criticism of Baron. It's obvious that those two never had a good relationship, but just b/c EJ doesn't like Baron, in my mind, doesnt validate that assessment.

I think EJ's disdain for Baron started at the very beginning...As this season has shown, Baron has gone out of his way to put Blake in the best possible position to succeed...I don't believe he ever did that with EJ. He didn't seem to mentor EJ as a rookie, and in EJ's second year I feel there were many times where Baron blatantly iced EJ out of the offense and refused to pass him the ball.

Now obviously, these are just my obsvervations, but if I were to enter the NBA and the leader of the team treated me in this manner, I don't believe I'd have a great relationship with him either.

Great post. Eric Gordon is one of those incredibly hard working guys that doesn't make excuses. You can tell from day 1 he didn't respect Baron. Not only comments to the media but you'd see subtle signs on the court that he flat out didn't respect Baron. He didn't respect the fact that Baron said he was the leader and didn't act like it a lot of the time he was here. Eric Gordon was never supposed to or proclaimed to be the leader like Baron was. It was only this season that he emerged as a leader and when he's been healthy he's been in shape... and playing at an extremely high, all star level for us.

I don't know why we would compare EJ and Baron. Not sure if Joe or someone else started it but the circumstances are SO different it's not possible.

One player was supposed to be a co franchise player and the veteran leader of the franchise.. and the other is a player who just turned 22 and has his breakout season this year. Eric Gordon isn't going to be a good leader at such a young age it's something you learn and develop if you even have leadership skills. Baron is a 12 year vet.. little different.

As for contribution.. Eric Gordon is a much better contributor at both ends of the floor and our record with or without each player was with too small of a sampling size to say definitively which is more impactful. I do know Eric Gordon has better stats, efficiency, win shares and defensive and offensive plus and minus.

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We all can agree Eric Gordon is a better player than Baron this year. That isnt the issue. When one opens his mouth complaining about a guy always trying ti hit home run, but yet cant even hit a home run himself, hasnt taken us to the playoffs, hasnt been healthy enough wjere the nba considers his stats qualified for anything due to lack of games played. Not just this season but the past seasons. Im not debating that Eric isnt better. I'm saying if you can't close out games and if you failrd in cutch situations to win games then you have no right to speak on it. He's just as bad as Baron then. Until u prove it, until u can takr us to the playoffs, until you can stay healthy and on the court long enough for our team to make a playoff run, then you dont deserve to be the Man either. You have to earn it. He wanted to be the one holding the ball at end of games. But he could never hold onto it.

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How could anyone take this young, inexperienced roster to the playoffs? Nobody here is even faulting Baron for that. Baron was just supposed to be in shape and do his job and he didn't do that for 2 of the 2.5 years he was here. You expected 20 and 21 year old Eric Gordon to carry us to the playoffs lol? He wasn't a 1st pick in the draft he was a 7th. This year was a chemistry building year and everyone got injured.. next year will be the real test for Eric Gordon and Blake. It will be the year nobody else is a leader above them and they can prove their worth and ability to carry.

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Anyone who says Gordon is the same level as Baron on any topic is an idiot. I'm sorry but Gordon even though he's gotten banged up is far beyond talented than the majority of NBA players right now. He's putting up D Wade numbers. Is it his fault the team put him back in early a couple weeks ago when he still wasn't 100%? No it's not.

Gordon finally made the leap from a good pick to a great pick this year. Given the surrounding talent Gordon and Griffin have on this team this year, it's not that great considering. They are basically doing a lot of the winning themselves. Baron and Kaman have both missed time, Aminu is more raw than any one player I've ever seen in my entire life, Bledsoe is talented but looks like he's on Cocaine the way he runs around like a lunatic making errant passes.

Once these kids have time to reflect on the past season over the summer, grow more as a team, I'd bank money we see bigger improvements in everyones game overall. And if Kaman and Mo Williams remain with the team and stay healthy, they will play a key part in this teams future success.

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