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http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=6304692

Great read.

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9-11 million dollars per year? im sorry but that's just way too much. 7.5 is the max we should go with DJ

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I think Ramona's prominent agent source is DJ's agent. Either that, or she's sleeping with his agent. An agent's estimate for market value is about as good as a good faith home loan estimate 3 years ago. Until we start seeing offers, I'm not going to hold my breath that DJ can command that much.

Greenmonk94
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i would love to keep DJ... for his first year of really playing now hes doing very well... his offense will come as his free throws are..

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People question whether this guy should start or come off the bench and his value is at 9 million a year? Huh? DJ is not close to that level yet, he needs to improve a lot more before he is worth that kind of money.

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7 mill a year MAX if that, I'd rather pay him 5 mill a year. He's not worth more than 5 in my book. We'd be paying 2 C's over 20 million dollars of our what 56 million dollar cap space, while Gordon and Griffin make peanuts compared to these 2.

If DJ wants that much money, its time to trade Kaman, 2 Centers making that kind of cash is obscene.

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My bet was $8 mil

clipperboy24
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the guy hasnt proved he is worth that kind of money at all and I agree with lotsohope that the source is most likely his agent, lol.

if someone is crazy enough to offer that much they can take him, because that would totally sink us for a guy who hasnt even shown he can consistently perform offensively or defensively

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kaman is gonna get about $12.5mil in the last year of his contract. DJ doesn't have half the skills kaman does. i think kaman will be a great barometer on reasoning with DJ that he is not ready to get star player money. maybe he can sign a 3-yr $15-18mil contract and then see where we are at the end of those 3 years. if any team offers him upwards of $10mil/year then we're going to lose him for sure... and then we'll be losing blake in a few years also.

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Trading Kaman and keeping DJ is the ultimate in whackosity. "Blake and Kaman compliment eachother in the paint" Ralph Lawler. Guys DJ may have maxed out as far as production. What else can he do? Not much. Next yr Kaman will have added another weapon

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agree kaman compliments blake so much more then dj. His 15 footers open the lane up for blake. When DJ is in the game the other defender pretty much doesn't guard DJ and can stay in the paint because if DJ can do anything its a slam dunk. The paint gets way to congested. A healthy kaman is a top 5 center in this league, which also says how weak they center spot is in the NBA nowadays. DJ is a great back up center on a playoff contending team he is worth 5 -7 million a year. I love DJ but if you can only black shots and rebound your not a starting center who deserves a big pay day.

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Good to see the Kaveman getting the love he deserves again for being a top center in this league, when healthy.

clipperboy24
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if DJ could consistently get 10 boards a night and 2-3 blocks and 8 -10 points then i would be fine with him getting that money (going rate for a starter quality Center) but he doesnt put up those numbers. Guys like Samuel Dalembert set the mediocre but great defensive center at $10 million/year, DJ is not even close to Dalembert right now defensively and sadly enough not as good offensively either

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This is true but u dont see the future picture....

DJ at the center spot.. guarding the paint blocking shots.. offensive rebounds and wont need any touches...Griffin demanding the ball taking around 16 shots a game(least) and doing what he does.. Eric gordon also guarding and taking many shots....same for MO but more of just hitting the open shots when griffin gets Double teamed... AT small forward.. a man that can create and also demand somesort of double team at times and that can shoot....

Thats why kaman works now but not in the long haul.... with Griffin, eric and Our future SF taking many shots.. no need for a kaman type player but a defensive person like perkins...

thats our future so that is why they speak of trading kaman and keeping DJ.. to continue to follow the blueprint of OKC..

clipperboy24
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also they compared his deal to Joakim Noah potentially... yeah right. Deandre isnt even close to Noah defensively

toohipcliptoslip
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Caiman actually blocked 2 shots. DJ is only reliable in being unreliable. His points are all garbage. If he scored the same # of points but they were layups and soft shots instead of dunks we wouldn't even be having this discussion, be honest. Is this guy going to be a lot better next yr? I doubt it but he's a great addition to the team. We can pick up a servicable Back up center for less than $8 who can do much the same. $6-6.5 but no more.

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Too hip, name names. No way DJ doesn't get upwards of 8 mil per. This league pays on potential if it means stealing players. Every season, we think players will get smaller contacts, snd every year, travis outlaw's of the nba get 7 million per year contacts.

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If DJ wants or thinks he's getting 7-9 mill a year or more, he can head over to the Knicks or someone else. For a guy that has yet to avg double digit boards or points in a season, hit anything from the FT line, or show any sort of consistency.... he isnt worth what they are saying

This is a load of bull and he better not get to thinking he's going to cash in big time here, its a clear way for the media to get him to leave the Clippers because we wont pay him what he wants and their way to slowly get our team to crumble because were sposed to lose all the time, not have a better player than anyone on the Lakers.

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The CBA will help us retain him, I think.

I don't think that teams will be rushing to overpay for long-term deals without knowing where salary levels are going to be set. The smart money says that salaries will be lower. This is a business vs. labor battle and organized labor is being demonized in the press right now.

The owners will spin the message to be "These spoiled athletes want their solid-gold escalades, and you poor fans will have to pay higher prices unless we wonderful owners stop the greed". It's the same argument as the Wisconsin Governor used against the state's public workers. Never mind that he LOWERED taxes on business owners - the punchcard worker with his fancy health insurance is the villain!

There is not a single player in the NBA who has more money (or income) than ANY owner in the league, but it's the PLAYERS who will be painted as greedy!

I don't think any team is going to offer him the kind of cash he's worth under the current CBA (a LOT!), when his biggest asset is still his 'potential', and next year they will probably be able to get a comparable product for a cheaper price.

Match the offer, Olshey, and keep the core together. Same for Gordon and obviously BG. We haven't even begun to see what these guys can do yet!

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Whenever I defend Kaman I seem to get torched. Now in this thread it's DJ getting torched.

Also, if there IS some kind of immature beef Blake has with Kaman, it probably isn't going to help them "complimenting each other" on the court, although I think it's true. I think Kaman compliments him because when you have a 7 footer who will make mid-range jumpers, the defense has to respect that and it opens up space for Blake. DJ just seems to be a puppet in the Blake Show.

People talk about how we don't "need DJ to be an offensive center", he can "just be a defensive presence". Thats great and all but Kaman is hilariously more skilled than DJ offensively and also can play defense.

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We may not need DJ to be an offensive player but I think a starting center should be able to do something with the ball. Its sad how he cant do anything with the ball. The clippers have to retain DJ though to make blake happy. There best friends if the clippers let him walk then blake will look at it like were not trying to win and he will want to eventually leave the team. We have to make blake feel good about this organization.

If people want to compare kaman and DJ its just ridiculous kaman is by far a better player not even close. As far as DJs potential what could it be I dont see his offensive game improving at all. You figure he has played ball since he was a kid and he has no offensive skill what so ever.

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The CBA may change the $$$ Remember Carmelo.

I can name names if I know how much we're willing to pay. The question is this. Add the value of each center plus their back up together, (Kaman + X) or (DJ + X) and compare the two quantities and figure relative value.

If you're going to pay Jordan the outrageous sum of $8 mil how much are you going to have to pay to get a back up who can contribute something other than dunks? As far as defense, DJ ain't Camby. Two goal tends? Can we get by with a $3 mill center with him or do we go after a guy $6 mill? Unfortunately methinks the later. You still have two above average guys.

Alternatively Chris will max at $12 mill. What do we need to add? We can get by with a grade "C" to "C-" $2-3 mill center with him? Of course.

Assume we can monetize player production which we obvioulsy can't --but--

Let's say PPG/ number of minutes; FT shooting; Turnovers; injury proneness; versatility vs. unidimensional; consistancy; doing stupid sh*t and whatever else. (FG % doesn't count because when you only dunk it's ~~95%) is a player's "Worth" You get a certain number of "worth points"

Divide that by the $$$ we pay. At $12 mill vs. $8 mill it's no contest. CK hands down. Give each a $6 mill backup. With backup. Kaman is an A- front court. With DJ is't maybe a B - at best. DJ and CK is an "A"

As I said in another post if he got his points on layups and soft put backs rather than dunks and he had the same number of boards but they were done with finesse, Duncanesque, rather than with athleticism and if moved like a ruptured duck like CK does we wouldn't be having this discussion. Full of sound and fury signifying not a damned thing. If Deandre thinks he's an elite starting center, he's having delusions of adequacy.

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ps

I'm more interested in Kobe Bryant's stats than I am keeping DeAndre to keep Blake happy. When we make the 2nd round that will have been long forgot.

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Kaman is also a lot older than DJ. At 22 years old, DJ is every bit as good as Kaman was at that same age, they're just different kinds of players.

Icecoldclipper
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Just to kill all these arguments in one blow if they are no where near each other then they shouldn't be battling for the starting spot.

Either Kaman is overpaid under-achiever or Jordan has stepped his game up to be a 2nd round pick challenging a top pick in one of the most historic drafts in NBA history. Something has to give let that s*** sink in for the doubters.

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One semi-last comment

Blake will not leave if DJ leaves. He'll leave if we don't win. He doesn't care who is on the team. A Western Conference playoff spot will make the Ghost of Centers Past be a distant memory

BTW this the funnest post in a while. It's right up there with Baron, MDSr and Magettee. Let's not quit now. We still can get a lot of mileage.

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If we sign DJ to a deal that is above 5 mil a season then I expect to see a much improved player next year. He needs to stop the 3 second violations, make at least 60% of his free throws, and have a scoring move that is not a dunk or layup. He wants the big money then he better start earning it. With more money comes more responsibility and accountability of performance. Just my opinion anyway.

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This is how I see DJ: He is a role player who is disguised as an important player because we're the Clippers and love anything that seems like it might be good, but in reality on a solid team DJ would just be a backup role player. A good one, but still one nonetheless.

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This is how I see DJ: He is a role player who is disguised as an important player because we're the Clippers. We love anyone that seems like he might be good, but we don't have any better options. Well yes we do but a lot of people don't see it. In reality on a solid team DJ would just be a backup role player. A good one, but still one nonetheless.

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Exactly!

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I think the team is better with DJ in the game than with Kaman. I don't like Kaman playing with Blake, Kaman takes way to many shots.

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not really. for one, those 3 second violations are an every game occurrance. plus the fact that teams can double blake and just make sure that DJ doesnt get within 5 feet of the basket doesnt help. he is a solid backup center at best. people keep saying that if DJ can make 60 percent of his free throws he will be ok. last time i checked 60 percent is pretty shitty still. its an improvement for DJ, but not really if you look at it. he needs to learn a hook shot at least and a little baby jumper. thats going to take him at least a season. the pro to trading kaman would be that we can get a good sf for him. but that will leave us with a huge hole at center considering that DJ will be the starting center, but who will back him up.

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