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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... e_Iguodala

Could he be our missing piece? There have been talks of Iguodala being our guy, and he finally seems to be available. And we know Olshey is being active...

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I was scared none of the guys the Clippers were gonna go after would be made available so I'm a little relieved Iggy is on the block. He has great defense, is super athletic and would be great on the open floor with the core we have now. I just worry about his shot, it's not horrible but it's not great either. I would live to have him but I am still holding out hope we can land Gallo or Granger because outside shooting would open up the inside more for Jordan and Griffin.

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well, the gallo/granger vs iggy thing is kind of a preference thing almost. ideally, the small forward we would get would be athletic, a good defender, good shooter, and a good passer. unfortunately, nobody is like that except LeBron. so gallo and granger have the outside shot but aren't athletic or great in the open court or great defenders, while iguodala is great in the open court and a good defender but not a good shooter. so either way, we'll get some of what we need.

i'd be happy with any of those 3 at this point, considering they'd all be huge upgrades over gomes. but iggy is the first of them to appear available, so lets just hope for him at this point.

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I would trade for him. I remember when some of you guys wanted Trevor Ariza, and I think Iggy is a stronger version of him but with better play making skills. Also, Iggy can defend better SF in the league that Trevor can't. We would definitely be the most athletic team in the league if we aren't already.

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Quake/Hobbit/Iggy would give us a legit triple threat.

GIT'R DONE OLSHEY!!

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I'm liking this team with Iggy and if we can keep Kaman, which i think is possible. We still have 2nd round picks this year, and could acquire a pure scorer type of player (e.g., Marshon Brooks) or if we have the money acquire Jamal Crawford as well. That would be a beastly team and I think Jamal would definitely consider it, if we acquired Iggy also! Iggy would add much needed toughness to this team and Jamal would be a great 6th man for us. Again, not sure if we have the money to do that but that would be a good contending team.

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Who do we trade? Olshey has said publicly that he would like to keep both DJ & Kaman. I don't think we have the cap room to make a deal for Iggy and the man power. I don't think Minnesota's pick + Bledsoe, Aminu, Warren would do it.

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I think we could do it for Minnesota's pick + the 5.3 million we have in cap space. Maybe we could include Ryan Gomes in the deal because I feel like our Minny pick is very attractive and that combined with Iggy wanting out could be enough incentive for them to take on Gomes. They could just bump Evan Turner into Iggy's starting role and Gomes could be a serviceable back-up for them.

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No to Iggy. The guy ain't worth the money. He's never been consistent, doesn't have an outside shot, and his attitude has to be questioned. I first thought he was untradeable, but since he was a no-show in the play-offs, I can see why they want to rid themselves of him and his attitude. He doesn't have the clout the act the way he is. He proved that in the play-offs. Hell to the No!

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please no to iggy. we need someone who can shoot for the SF spot and he definitely cant. last couple years he has been garbage. granger>iggy

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exactly...couldnt have said it any better

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I'd be happy to have iggy here! I'd also be happy with either gallo or granger. All 3 of those guys are MAJOR upgrades from what we have now. Beggars can't be choosers!

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Sign a FA vet like Prince or Battier.....more bang for buck IMO. save the money for a PG in 2012 who could really put us over the top.

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if you want to win a championship you definitely have to be a chooser. You dont take anyone just because they are an upgrade. You take someone that fits how you want to play the game (mainly who will work best with blake griffin). Iggy is not that guy. Sure he would help us defensively a lot...but offensively he clogs the paint and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Personally, Id rather have EJ carrying the ball and getting more comfortable doing so. Not iggy.

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I'd be more than happy with Iguodala. He's a great defender and a pretty damn good play maker. With Gordon and Williams being good 3 point shooters we don't need our SF to be a great shooter.

I would do the Minny pick with Gomes and Foye, but prefer something like Kaman and Aminu for Iguodala and Speghts. This way we get a replacement big and we keep the Wolves pick.

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olshey is very high on aminu. he wants to get a veteran here who can man the 3 until aminu is good and ready. and like clipper joe said, iggy is way too expensive for a person with his skill set. he can't spread the floor for blake and i don't think that's what the FO is looking for. i doubt we trade for him especially because philly will probably ask for too much in return. that minny pick is of high value right now... minnesota was last in the LEAGUE. even with the cavs losing 26 games in a row. that pick is really our best bargaining chip right now. i'm not about to waste it on iggy.

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i would prefer better gallo... he has everything we want in a small forword

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But the biggest question is: Should the Sixers trade Iguodala for a similarly skilled player? Or should their focus be on an area of need - the center spot, for example - while also opening up minutes on the wing for returning sophomore Evan Turner?

Another trade that was discussed last season involved trading Iguodala to the Los Angeles Clippers for big man Chris Kaman.

Kaman has only one year remaining on his contract - $12.2 million for the 2011-12 season. He also would provide talent and experience in the low post, while relieving the franchise of a good chunk of the remaining millions on Iguodala's contract.

This offseason will be crucial in taking the Sixers from mediocre to good, and to do so won't involve just the decision of whether or not to trade Iguodala. They also need to hit a home run in what they get in exchange.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... odala.html

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Iggy is a great player guys and I think we'd all love him on this team, problem is Joe and others do have valid points.

1 - Iggy isn't a real dominate scorer, although he does have a good offensive game, it's mainly from dunks, driving to the hoop etc. We need him to spread the floor not clog the paint. And his jumper has always been questionable.

2 - He does make a fair share of cash, which would make potential trades difficult if we didn't want to include Chris Kaman in the deal, even with Bledsoe AND Aminu ( or 1 of those 2 + 1 of our bench guys ) I don't think Philly would want to do the trade, and you have to factor in the new CBA that is going to be put in play, we may end up with less cap space than we currently have.

Iggy is a great player, plays great D, is a triple double threat, can score fairly well, can bring the ball up and pass. However, I just don't really see us having the pieces to put together a trade for him since it seems, were trying to keep Kaman here.

We need to think about other SF's around the league, and possibly just look for one in the free agent market. Tayshaun Prince is a solid player still and has an overall good game and has massive amounts of playoff experience. He may not be the IT guy, but he fills that starting SF position and allows us to keep that Minnesota pick for a future trade, or use it to draft one of the amazing players in that 2012 draft. There was just another top 10 pick this year that is committing to 1 more year of college, Terrence Jones I believe from Kentucky. Not sure if I got the name right... He plays the 3 tho.

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^ great breakdown. i agree.

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Minnesota fans have to really hate life right about now. I doubt they pull the trigger and go after mid level or above free agents to improve their team, and this years draft doesn't look too promising. That Minnesota pick at worst next year will be the 10th pick in the draft, there's already been 3 top 10 picks this year saying they were staying 1 more year to come out in 2012, the 2012 draft already looks like it could be one of the best drafts in history and all these players backing out that are high prospects make that Minnesota pick look like Spanish Gold buried treasure that you found in your backyard digging up an old tree stump.

YEARS we've been waiting for this pick, and some years just praying Minnesota doesn't just suck big time so we can get another 1st rounder ( remember it was top 10 protected most years or all years ) and the time is nearing. If we can manage to hang onto that pick this summer and keep it as the season goes forward next year, AND Minnesota is really crappy, that pick could very well be top 3 for us, or a potential top 3 pick we could trade to a team that wants to get rid of a bad contract but a good player and we could nab someone truly ready, and capable to spread the floor, help us win games and keep us in the playoffs while we develop Bledsoe, Aminu and whoever else we draft this year.

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Yes please to Iggy. He may not be the best shooter/scorer, but we've already got a few talented scorers around him in Gordon, Griffin, and Williams. They're all good with ball movement, but we could use another guy like Iggy who is comfortable with the ball in his hands and tries to find the open man, unlike Kaman who always looks toward the basket first for a jumper.

Iguodala for Kaman and Gomes

Resign DJ, Craig Smith

Sign Chuck Hayes, Kris Humphreys, Samuel Dalembert, or Greg Oden for depth in the front court.

DJ/Oden

Griffin/Smith

Iggy/Aminu

Gordon/Foye

Williams/Bledsoe

Griffin/Gordon 1a/1b

Williams 3rd scoring option

Iggy 4th option

DJ Putbacks and lobs

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Igoudala is the anti-thesis of what we need. Cannot stretch the floor at all.

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although we need shooters to space the floor, i don't want to become a team like the magic who live and die by the three. i was initially against bringing iggy to this team but now i don't know. i'm just excited (or i could be disappointed) to see what kind of moves the FO is going to make before the current CBA expires.

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Igoudala is a worse jump shooter than Ryan Gomes. Think about that. Iggy's FG% is so high because he's great at scoring at the rim. We already have two players who can do that.

The priority this offseason is a stretch 3; Iggy's a consolation prize.

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although we need shooters to space the floor, i don't want to become a team like the magic who live and die by the three. i was initially against bringing iggy to this team but now i don't know. i'm just excited (or i could be disappointed) to see what kind of moves the FO is going to make before the current CBA expires.

Igoudala is a worse jump shooter than Ryan Gomes. Think about that. Iggy's FG% is so high because he's great at scoring at the rim. We already have two players who can do that.

The priority this offseason is a stretch 3; Iggy's a consolation prize.

i just don't want the FO to be fixated on the idea that all we need are three point shooters to put around blake.

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I think Joe and a few others do have valid points like the posters above me said.. BUT that being said Iggy provides 2 things we don't have right now. A shutdown perimeter defender (better on the perimeter than Eric Gordon defensively) and he provides extremely good playmaking. He averages more assists than any non PG in the game besides Lebron (who basically is a PG). Mo Williams as we all know isn't a great playmaker. Iggy would be able to take the distribution and playmaking role from Mo at times and we do hurt bigtime for dependable ball handlers which he is. So yes.. I agree we should go for a shooter first and Iggy isn't ideal.

That being said he does answer a lot of our problems, is a MASSIVE upgrade to any wing we have playing the 3 right now... AND he's still young and would do well with Vinny and our system. I would be extremely happy... if Olshey could pull off a deal for Iggy.

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ClippersSince97 wrote:
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although we need shooters to space the floor, i don't want to become a team like the magic who live and die by the three. i was initially against bringing iggy to this team but now i don't know. i'm just excited (or i could be disappointed) to see what kind of moves the FO is going to make before the current CBA expires.

Igoudala is a worse jump shooter than Ryan Gomes. Think about that. Iggy's FG% is so high because he's great at scoring at the rim. We already have two players who can do that.

The priority this offseason is a stretch 3; Iggy's a consolation prize.

i just don't want the FO to be fixated on the idea that all we need are three point shooters to put around blake.

Yup. Look how that's worked out for Dwight Howard.

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I really dont think we should trade the minny pick though, as many of you already have agreed upon, it is worth a bunch. I cant even imagine what it could bring to our nucleus and how crazy it would be to get a top three pick... in one of the most anticipated drafts

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That would be a solid suggestion, but you are assuming we have anyone who can actually shoot the three ball?

We have shot takers. But nobody is consistent. Our offense has everything except a midrange/long range threat. Again I reiterate, Iguodala provides neither of those two things. Individual defense is not as important as team defense... a lock down defender would be nice but the odds are more likely that you're going to give up more baskets than you prevent. And when your SF can't spread the floor he becomes a liability. Just look at Jeff Green on the Celtics this year.

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ClipYourWings wrote:
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i just don't want the FO to be fixated on the idea that all we need are three point shooters to put around blake.

That would be a solid suggestion, but you are assuming we have anyone who can actually shoot the three ball?

We have shot takers. But nobody is consistent. Our offense has everything except a midrange/long range threat. Again I reiterate, Iguodala provides neither of those two things. Individual defense is not as important as team defense... a lock down defender would be nice but the odds are more likely that you're going to give up more baskets than you prevent. And when your SF can't spread the floor he becomes a liability. Just look at Jeff Green on the Celtics this year.

well i'm indifferent about iggy. there's no point in trying to convince me we don't need him. so i don't know why you're reiterating anything to me. i acknowledge the fact that there are better options at the 3 spot than iggy so we're on the same boat buddy. like you said, he's just a consolation prize. i'd rather have that than to keep gomes, moon, and aminu as our only options at the 3.

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Mo Williams is already a great outside shooter as is Gordon, Gordon can also penetrate and score at the rim and get to the foul line. We don't really need a guy that can shoot the 3 as much as we need a guy who can hit jumpers and spread the floor out. Tayshaun is a great player to fit that mold, a guy that can hit jumpers, hit 3's, attack the rim, pass, defend well and gives us a player with massive playoff experience.

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his best quality is that we can sign him as an FA and not lose anything. not kaman, not our minny pick, not anything. plus he'll be a short term contract, about 2-3 yrs, which will give aminu ample time to come into his own and become the dominant 3 olshey wants him to be. i think prince will be a great addition.

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Prince also gives us the option of keeping that Minnesota pick, keeping Kaman.... and that Minnesota pick is more than likely going to be a SF as the majority of the top 10 prospects in that draft are SF studs, so I'd imagine that guy would get more playing time than Aminu and we would have more insurance if Aminu failed, Prince got hurt, we'd have a top flight SF we drafted to come in and play.

Prince isn't the only SF we can go after for a mid level salary for a 2-3 year deal to help Aminu along and do what I said up there, he's just the first guy I think of to help fill this teams needs for a SF and who can give us time for Aminu to develop.

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yea i agree. we're very flexible and it'll take a serious moron to mess this up. and i truly don't believe olshey is a moron.

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I'd also consider trying to get Glen Davis. He's better than Rhino and he'd give us a good strong body, with good experience in the paint. He's fat/strong enough to play the 5 spot as he's hard to back down, so he could split time at the 4 and the 5. Not clearly my first choice for a player I'd like to get, but he's a player I'd put on my radar if things started falling apart.

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Prince, Battier and AK47 would all be great to have... but remember Olshey is trying to build a core that can stay together 10 years. He's going after the Spurs mold. Not trying to rent a 3 for 2-3 seasons. Which is why Iggy who's 27 or Granger who's 28 would be the best options by far.

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Well if thats what he wants to do and can somehow manage to pull off an Igoudala or Granger trade without moving Mo, EG, BG, Kaman, DJ ( and hopefully keeping Bledsoe ) then go for it. I'd just love to see them move Aminu in the trade, I just got a really bad feeling hes never going to be what we want him to be and if we continue to say well next game, next week, next year etc. I think we'll find ourselves in a big hole. Hence why I say get a rental, use the 2012 pick on a stud SF and bring that guy along. Most everyone in the top 10 of the 2012 draft has bigger potential and more current skills and is a safer pick than Aminu was.

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Alot of you think like the old fans I'm not trying to offend any one but

If we get iggy here are team will instantly be a NBA power house iggy

Can do what we want from aminu in the future he can take guy off the

Dribble defend rebound score and hit the three at times it's

Not like we need him to be are number one his defense and rebounds

Will make the difference we should be real excited right now!!!

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thank you!!

i was hoping Joe would back me on this one. on the other thread i indicated that both Granger and Iggy are way overpaid and overrated, ball hogs, gave up in the playoffs.

if Gomes atleast scored 6-10pts more per game he would be at their level with better defense.

you do not get rid of your recent all star center for these two sf's

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Woah woah Clip. You're misinformed about Iguodala for sure. He's pretty much an elite perimeter defender, a very good rebounder for his size.. and the best playmaking non PG in the game after Lebron. Gomes averaging 20 points a game with the game he has now would be NOWHERE near as valuable as Granger or Iggy. As for him being overpaid.. would you not say Kaman is also a way overpaid 2nd or 3rd option? With Iggy you get less injury problems, little bit of cap savings and a guy who provides a lot of what we need.

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u made sense untill u said kaman is overpaid... he might even be underpaid for a big that can shoot and play d...

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Woah woah Clip. You're misinformed about Iguodala for sure. He's pretty much an elite perimeter defender, a very good rebounder for his size.. and the best playmaking non PG in the game after Lebron. Gomes averaging 20 points a game with the game he has now would be NOWHERE near as valuable as Granger or Iggy. As for him being overpaid.. would you not say Kaman is also a way overpaid 2nd or 3rd option? With Iggy you get less injury problems, little bit of cap savings and a guy who provides a lot of what we need.

u made sense untill u said kaman is overpaid... he might even be underpaid for a big that can shoot and play d...

Hmm let's see. Kaman missed 50 games (always misses good chunk of games), averaged like 13 and 7 or w/e... and makes 12.5 mill next season while being a 3rd scoring option. YES HE'S VERY OVERPAID. If Baron was overpaid.. so is Kaman. Kaman no doubt is a borderline all star.. but 12.5 mill a year is legit all star money.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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Woah woah Clip. You're misinformed about Iguodala for sure. He's pretty much an elite perimeter defender, a very good rebounder for his size.. and the best playmaking non PG in the game after Lebron. Gomes averaging 20 points a game with the game he has now would be NOWHERE near as valuable as Granger or Iggy. As for him being overpaid.. would you not say Kaman is also a way overpaid 2nd or 3rd option? With Iggy you get less injury problems, little bit of cap savings and a guy who provides a lot of what we need.

u made sense untill u said kaman is overpaid... he might even be underpaid for a big that can shoot and play d...

Hmm let's see. Kaman missed 50 games (always misses good chunk of games), averaged like 13 and 7 or w/e... and makes 12.5 mill next season while being a 3rd scoring option. YES HE'S VERY OVERPAID. If Baron was overpaid.. so is Kaman. Kaman no doubt is a borderline all star.. but 12.5 mill a year is legit all star money.

hell yeah he is...he is soft like gasol Evil or Very Mad

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LOL. Rumor has it that Memphis and Sixers might swap players ( Gay- Iggy). Talk about a lateral move. Here's the original full article from the OP's link

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... odala.html

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Joe supposedly they are looking at Kaman+Minny pick vs Rudy Gay. I think if they are smart they take 2012 Minny+Kaman. That's a very deep draft...they shed 12.5 mill cap in 2012 deep free agency. If they take Gay like you said.... they aren't really improving. If anything they get worse because of Gay's average defense and playmaking.

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i have watched Iggy play a lot. even before the playoffs his game was terrible terrible. I have seen him give up on D many times too. if even the Sixers want to get rid of him then that should be a red flag there right away.

i disagree with you on Kaman being overpaid. for a center with his skills, he is underpaid. any great team can keep him healthy with the right med staff. No way in hell Kaman has reached his prime yet like most claim he has. He is a slow but steady learner even reaching at 30. the right team can unlock his potential, believe that.

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i would love to take rudy gay over iggy any day... we need a shooter at the SF spot and he is proven to be a good one

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Rudy G. now that cat can ball. so much potential in him too yet to be shown. The Grizz could be championship contenders for sures with him.

Him and Battier would be on my list of sf's to get.

any one know the contract of Luis Scola?

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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LOL. Rumor has it that Memphis and Sixers might swap players ( Gay- Iggy). Talk about a lateral move. Here's the original full article from the OP's link

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... odala.html

Joe supposedly they are looking at Kaman+Minny pick vs Rudy Gay. I think if they are smart they take 2012 Minny+Kaman. That's a very deep draft...they shed 12.5 mill cap in 2012 deep free agency. If they take Gay like you said.... they aren't really improving. If anything they get worse because of Gay's average defense and playmaking.

You have a link?

The trade that was rumored a while back for kaman, was just for Kaman. We'd be nuts if we take Iggy for kaman and a first round pick. That would be a stupid move.

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