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Ugh... just curious what area do you see Kaman improving? He's going to be 29 years old soon and had a much worse year this season even after being healthy than he did the 3 years before. Trust me when I say Kaman is maxed out dude. He's a very refined player for the most part. It's not like he's raw as hell like DJ.

Even legit Sixers fans I talk to think we would be contenders with Iggy. They say pretty much what I'm saying which is.. he's not the most dependable 1st or 2nd scoring option but a great 3rd option scorer, great perimeter defender, good rebounder for his size and great playmaker. Iguodala is DEFINITELY a better player than Kaman statistically and off paper. Hell even the Sixers fan I talked to 30 mins ago about this said that he wants the deal just for our 1st round pick in the deep 2012 because he doesn't think Kaman is too great.

Maybe Kaman isn't overpaid.. but he's definitely not underpaid. At best he's getting paid what he's worth... but he's also injured a ton so his value would be lower to most teams.

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LOL. Rumor has it that Memphis and Sixers might swap players ( Gay- Iggy). Talk about a lateral move. Here's the original full article from the OP's link

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... odala.html

Joe supposedly they are looking at Kaman+Minny pick vs Rudy Gay. I think if they are smart they take 2012 Minny+Kaman. That's a very deep draft...they shed 12.5 mill cap in 2012 deep free agency. If they take Gay like you said.... they aren't really improving. If anything they get worse because of Gay's average defense and playmaking.

You have a link?

link please. it'd be funny if kaman and brand tore it up again for philly.

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LOL. Rumor has it that Memphis and Sixers might swap players ( Gay- Iggy). Talk about a lateral move. Here's the original full article from the OP's link http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20110508_Inside_the_Sixers_ __Prepare_to_say_goodbye_to_Iguodala.html
Joe supposedly they are looking at Kaman+Minny pick vs Rudy Gay. I think if they are smart they take 2012 Minny+Kaman. That's a very deep draft...they shed 12.5 mill cap in 2012 deep free agency. If they take Gay like you said.... they aren't really improving. If anything they get worse because of Gay's average defense and playmaking. You have a link? The trade that was rumored a while back for kaman, was just....

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Yeah, I know about insiders from the bleacher report. /sarcasm

Anyway, the rumor from earlier in the season was a straight up deal and no pick. Why would we add a pick now? I wouldn't trade our pick alone for Iggy. That pick should be insurance if Gordon decides to leave or to get a better player than Iggy.

Edit: there is no talk about the lottery pick in either link.

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he gots a crap load of post moves he did his all star year that he started pulling off towards the end of this year. when he is on his game that redneck can throw hook shots off the ass. i guarentee he wud be a beast with the right team.

if he stays or not then i wish him the best.. but getting the right players in his place is the thing.

Iggy is NOT the solid vet you need at the 3. Someone like Battier is the answer.

like i said if the mediocre 76ers club does not want him then there should already be red flags.

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They are rumors from insiders but here are 2 of them. I generally don't post Bleacher report articles.. but this is about a rumor of someone else, not their actual article. http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-and-rumors/articles/167119-rumor-and re-iguodala-for-rudy-gay-or-chris-kaman- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/694089-andre-iguodala-trade-rumors- a-straight-up-swap-for-rudy-gay-or-chris-kaman Also.. remember last offseason they were discussion Kaman for Iggy too. So it shouldn't surprise anyone.. especially now that Kaman is a 12.5 mill expiring.
Yeah, I know about insiders from the bleacher report. /sarcasm Anyway, the rumor from earlier in the season was a straight up deal and no pick. Why would we add a pick now? I wouldn't trade our pick alone for Iggy. That pick should be insurance if....

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They are rumors from insiders but here are 2 of them. I generally don't post Bleacher report articles.. but this is about a rumor of someone else, not their actual article. http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-and-rumors/articles/167119-rumor-and re-iguodala-for-rudy-gay-or-chris-kaman- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/694089-andre-iguodala-trade-rumors- a-straight-up-swap-for-rudy-gay-or-chris-kaman Also.. remember last offseason they were discussion Kaman for Iggy too. So it shouldn't surprise anyone.. especially now that Kaman is a 12.5 mill expiring.
Yeah, I know about insiders from the bleacher report. /sarcasm Anyway, the rumor from earlier in the season was a straight up deal and no pick. Why would we add a pick now? I wouldn't trade our pick alone for Iggy. That pick should be insurance if....

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Agreed.

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No matter what Joe and Clip we need a playoff berth next season. You may not get your dream player but you can still improve. The Grizzlies aren't letting go of Battier after his solid playoff performances (he's also a fan favorite)... and AK47 wants to play for a title contender. Our only real option at 3 in the class you're looking for would be Prince but I'm sure he wants to play for a contender as well. Iggy is one hell of an upgrade no matter how you break it down.

We have a much bigger hole at the wing positions than we do at the C spot right now. DJ has stayed injury free his entire career and has shown he is a capable starting 5. He's not as good as Kaman yet obviously... but he does seem to mesh better with our players.. and the identity our team is trying to form.. such as fastbreaking more. I think if we swapped Iguodala for Kaman we would see a 10 win increase from that change alone. Iggy solves a couple major issues we have like perimeter defense (worst team or 2nd worst defending the 3 point line), lack of playmakers post Baron... as well as someone with playoff experience.

As one of the articles says.. Iggy is a poor man's Scottie Pippen (he really is) and that's far more valuable than a jump shooting 5. Kaman used to be amazing when he was a great post player, rebounder and shot blocker like in seasons 2 and 3 of his career.... but he's turned into a jump shooter. 80 percent of his shots are midrange jumpers it seems like. He's become a black hole on offense to be quite frank. I know with certainty once the ball is in his hands a shot is going up. Don't have to worry about that with DJ.

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I don't. Iggy is overrated. You have to wonder why they'd trade such a good player for a plateaued, often injured player in Kaman.

When Kobe mentions us, he mentions Kaman.

Bobcats wanted to trade Wallace for an injured Kaman a few seasons back.

Now the Sixers want to trade their "best" player for a third option?

I don't know...

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I can't remember which article that mentioned the lottery pick my bad ; (. I promise though I'm not making things up Embarassed . I agree though straight up deal is even better.

I don't. Iggy is overrated. You have to wonder why they'd trade such a good player for a plateaued, often injured player in Kaman.

When Kobe mentions us, he mentions Kaman.

Bobcats wanted to trade Wallace for an injured Kaman a few seasons back.

Now the Sixers want to trade their "best" player for a third option?

I don't know...

Well think of Zach Randolph. Bad reputation.. but now he's the ultimate teammate with a franchise he loves. Iggy apparently has issues with management, ownership and teammates there and CLEARLY isn't happy in Philly. I think a change of scenery could really revitalize him. How could you not want a 14 ppg, 6 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.5 spg player to upgrade over Gomes? Iggy has proven to be a jack of all trades, great all around player his entire career. He's not too dependable offensively but 14-19 ppg is very solid as a 2nd or 3rd option which is what we need.

So my answer to your rhetorical question is.. the Sixers want to trade him for locker room issues and drama involving him apparently, not because his game isn't satisfactory. Besides why wouldn't they want Kaman? That's a good starting Center PLUS 12.5 mill off the books for a very good 2012 free agency if they want it.

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Iggy is NO Randolph. In fact, I think they've wanted to trade him soon after he got his big contract...And when they got Turner. They want to trade for him for the same reason we wanted to trade Randolph...Once they got a player they felt would end up being better than he current one.

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Well think of Zach Randolph. Bad reputation.. but now he's the ultimate teammate with a franchise he loves. Iggy apparently has issues with management, ownership and teammates there and CLEARLY isn't happy in Philly. I think a change of scenery could really revitalize him. How could you not want a 14 ppg, 6 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.5 spg player to upgrade over Gomes? Iggy has proven to be a jack of all trades, great all around player his entire career. He's not too dependable offensively but 14-19 ppg is very solid as a 2nd or 3rd option which is what we need.

So my answer to your rhetorical question is.. the Sixers want to trade him for locker room issues and drama involving him apparently, not because his game isn't satisfactory. Besides why wouldn't they want Kaman? That's a good starting Center PLUS 12.5 mill off the books for a very good 2012 free agency if they want it.

Iggy is NO Randolph. In fact, I think they've wanted to trade him soon after he got his big contract...And when they got Turner. They want to trade for him for the same reason we wanted to trade Randolph...Once they got a player they felt would end up being better than he current one.

Given our situation though you honestly don't see any way that we would improve with this trade? I'd be willing to bet we would. It addresses some key weaknesses. We don't have any weakness in the paint so Kaman is expendable. With Kaman out with injury we were constantly near the tops in points in the paint, rebounding, points in the paint allowed and other categories. So where will Kaman's loss hurt us statistically? How about chemistry wise? It's clear Kaman has sort of become an odd man out with his teammates.

Iguodala gives us perimeter defense which we need BAD (we give up so many 3's).. Playmaking which we've missed sorely since trading Baron... racks up steals.. which would help our fastbreak offense we are trying to run get a huge boost... AND he rebounds very well for his size which once again creates transition buckets.

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I don't. Iggy is overrated. You have to wonder why they'd trade such a good player for a plateaued, often injured player in Kaman.....so is Kaman

When Kobe mentions us, he mentions Kaman. .....must have been before BG

Bobcats wanted to trade Wallace for an injured Kaman a few seasons back.....that's the trade the Clippers should have made.

Now the Sixers want to trade their "best" player for a third option? ....that would be a head scratcher on Philly's part...but they won't do it, IMO straight up for Iggy anyway.

Not a big fan of either player since I consider them both overrated and over paid. Think FA for a vet is the way to go and that way we can keep the lesser overrated and overpaid player for one more year for hopefully a playoff run.

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i agree with bringing in Prince. Not via trade of Chris Kaman. If is available for nothing in trade or free agency then that is a priority in picking him up.

You need to see half a season with a hopefully improved DJ. If he has shown to outshine Kaman as the teams starter than The Clips can set a trade mid season for someone. We all do not know what DJ or his Manager or planning on doing this summer first of all.

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Won't matter. We are matching his offer because he's restricted.

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you do not know how much a team will offer him. are you willing to bring him back for 8m say the offer comes? I am more than sure DJ is no Eddy Curry with a dumb contract but I am not sure how much people want DJ back for that.

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Well... I think nobody in their right mind will offer DJ more than 6-8 mill a year. Obviously if someone offers him something crazy like 10 mill a year we may not match but it won't happen. He's too unproven to be overpaid by that much. Besides remember we can't re sign him till after the CBA which is going to cut player salaries BIG TIME.

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I've always said that Iggy would be a good pick up for this team and still think it rings true even moreso now with mo.

Pure points do not always tell the story, and those assist and D is something we sorely need.

I'm really surprised that so many people are talking about FA aquisitions the way that bombed last year.

I like Blake as much as the next fan, but I don't want to pin our 'replacement of gomes' hopes on FA.

On a side, the one player I would like to see us go after if a trade could not be worked out is JR Smith. I think his passing and D is underrated, and could even be better in the right environment. His attitude is pretty shaky though but it's not like he can't make the pass and that's just not true for some players.

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i was talking to ralph today and i asked who would he prefer granger or iggy and he said that he thinks iggy would be the PERFECT fit for the clippers. hm..

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He knows his basketball Very Happy. I agree he would be a perfect fit or at least a great one, not a consolation prize like some are saying. Tell him next time to tell Olshey us fans want Iggy lol. We would have the most athletic team in league history.

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i was talking to ralph today and i asked who would he prefer granger or iggy and he said that he thinks iggy would be the PERFECT fit for the clippers. hm..

He knows his basketball Very Happy. I agree he would be a perfect fit or at least a great one, not a consolation prize like some are saying. Tell him next time to tell Olshey us fans want Iggy lol. We would have the most athletic team in league history.

Athleticism aside....I like to just have a good team.. wink

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tense2 wrote:
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i was talking to ralph today and i asked who would he prefer granger or iggy and he said that he thinks iggy would be the PERFECT fit for the clippers. hm..

He knows his basketball Very Happy. I agree he would be a perfect fit or at least a great one, not a consolation prize like some are saying. Tell him next time to tell Olshey us fans want Iggy lol. We would have the most athletic team in league history.

Athleticism aside....I like to just have a good team.. wink

I agree... Good>Athletic.. just saying it's scary athletic when you think about it. Especially when Bledsoe is in games. We already intimidate teams with our athleticism.. imagine with Iggy and if DJ keeps improving?

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Iggy has move plus then minuses and prince and battier

Have limits iggys is a superstar and with other athletes

He will shine remember what he did with the USA team

The fact is iggy Blake gordan even mo

Are game changer kaman prince battier are good at what

They do

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Iguodala Trade Rumors

Well, it's been written so we're going to have to discuss it. Kate Fagan has a piece today that says the Sixers will look to trade Andre Iguodala this summer. She doesn't quote sources, even un-named, though she does talk about reading between the lines. Either way, she pulls a couple of names out of a hat so let's break it down.

First of all, if you read Fagan's piece, there's an error in there. She's asking what teams could possibly be willing to take on the remaining $56M on Iguodala's contract, when he only has 3 years/$44M left on his deal. The 2010-2011 season is over, all the paychecks have been mailed.

Anyway, we've really got three rumors, or conjectures, or just made up stuff to take a look at. Let's deal with Fagan's first:

Iguodala for Rudy Gay - I've never been a fan of Rudy Gay, and his contract scares the hell out of me. Gay is owed $69M over the next four seasons, and Fagan's article is again incorrect when it says Iguodala will make $13.5M next season and Gay will make $13.6. Gay's salary will be $15,032,144 in 2011-2012. Gay made $13.6M in 2010-2011, as compared to Iguodala's $12.3M. On the court, I can see how Gay would fit better on the offensive end than Iguodala. He's a better volume scorer and just as efficient with his shots as Iguodala. If you believe Jrue can handle the responsibility of being the primary playmaker, which I do, then a guy like Gay would fit well at the three, especially if Turner can eventually step into the SG spot and provide some more playmaking. Gay would have to keep his three-point percentage up around 40%, where it was this season, and not fall back to his career average, which was in the 34% range prior to this season. That's a pretty big gamble, imo. On the defensive end, Gay's numbers were much improved this season, but he doesn't hold a candle to Iguodala. Basically, you'd have to hope that the offense works better with his skill set, and hope the drop in defense doesn't take away more than he adds on the offensive end. No matter how you slice it, there's no way in hell that Rudy Gay is worth $25M more than Andre Iguodala over the next four years. Memphis could probably use another playmaker on offense, I guess that would be their rationale.

Iguodala for Chris Kaman - I'm not sure where people have gotten the idea that Chris Kaman is a good center, but he simply is not. He's had one decent season in his career where he wasn't a total drag on his team's offense, and that season came six years ago, when he was 23. Since then, he's basically been a slightly better version of Spencer Hawes on the offensive end. On defense, he's better than Hawes, but far from enough of a difference-maker to compensate for the pitiful offense. Trading Iguodala for Kaman doesn't fill the hole at center, it just gives you 48 minutes of Spencer Hawes-level production at the five, which is not a good thing. If they trade Iguodala for Kaman with no picks involved, this is a pure salary cap move, plain and simple. Kaman's contract expires in June 2012, so the trade would save the Sixers $31.5M over three years. It would not improve their cap situation this coming summer. They'd basically be severely downgrading their talent to get out of Iguodala's contract two years earlier. This is the type of deal that would drive me crazy. The Clippers would kiss Stefanski and Thorn on the lips if they offered them this deal.

Iguodala to the Clippers for a pick or two, cap space, Randy Foye and Ryan Gomes - To me, this is the only deal of the three that makes any kind of sense. The pick is Minnesota's unprotected #1 pick in 2012, which you have to assume will be a top five pick. Foye expires after this season, Gomes has one extra season at $4M. It wouldn't give the Sixers any kind of help on the floor, but it would give them several assets and immediate cap relief. If they were to withdraw their qualifying offer for Hawes, they'd be down to around $54M, which would put them below the cap (if the cap remains at last year's level under the new CBA). They could cut that number to $50M if they also cut ties with Thad. They'd also have the expiring contracts of Foye and Nocioni (a combined $10.9M), plus that Minnesota #1 in 2012. This is also a deal that could be made prior to the draft and prior to the impending lockout, since all players involved are under contract. If the Clippers are serious about putting a winner on the floor, this deal is a no-brainer for them. Iguodala is a perfect compliment to the young pieces they've assembled. They'd also be left with Kaman's expiring contract to use, unless getting Iguodala would preclude them from re-signing DeAndre Jordan, which would be a huge mistake. I guess my hope would be that the Sixers wouldn't wait a year to put these newfound assets and cap flexibility to use. I'd like to see them put together a package to move up in the draft and grab Bismack.

Anyway, I don't really think any of these scenarios is likely to happen, but there's my two cents. Fire away in the comments.

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iggy would not be a bad pickup... we already got ej and mo as ower shooters... also with iggy playing alongside a player that commits to perfection like griffin. like DJ i think it will rub off him and he will get his shot more on lock... i think just like luo deng.. once rose really steeped us as a leader.. luo's shots got better his d got better and he can take it the hole with more confidence.. i think that would also happen with Iggy if he would come to LA

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The last scenario by the poster is the same one I believe EP mentioned in his interview with Olshey.

It's interesting to see how others view Kaman as I agree with his assesment and feel that Kaman is worse than stated seeing as though he basically became a hole on offense after saying he knew who's team it was before coming back from injury.

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^ You're absolutely correct! Kaman was such a black hole on offense I forget he said anything about taking a back seat to the young guns. Then again, Gordon was injured the majority of the time Kaman played, so we needed another weapon.

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At hoopsworld it say memphis and the sixers might swap iggy for gay

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You guys who don't like Iggy on our team are insane! We need exactly that kind of SF! Basically every other option is a shooter with next to no D. We will have to send Kaman and the Minny pick, but I would so do it and do it now! Iggy can defend, he can rebound, he does not need to be involved all the time and he is a hard worker...plus HE WANTS TO WIN! We have 1st option in Blake and 2nd in EJ...he can be the 3rd guy! We also keep Foye off the bench and will have the money to go after another quality 6th man!

To me Iggy=top 4 Clips in the West!

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i hope you are being sarcastic....

top 4 in the west?...with Iggy?

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It's really not that far fetched. A lot of people think we will be legit contenders with Iggy. Assuming DJ, Blake, EJ, Bledsoe and Aminu all improve this offseason. I think 4-6 seed is very possible with a lot of good happening.

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Interesting, the Sixer analyst believes Gomes+Foye+Minny pick will be a better trade offer for Iggy. If that's the case, then our FO needs to JUST DO IT! Starting lineup keeps Kaman and adds Iggy, and we can always have Aminu and a one-year contract SF backing Iggy up at the 3. We lose depth at the 2 guard behind EJ by losing Foye but I think Iggy's contributions will more than make up for it. Besides when it comes to upgrading the starters versus maintaining bench depth, the starting lineup should always be more of a priority as starters often play with the 2nd unit throughout the game anyway.

Can't imagine the Sixers would like Gay over our trade assets, he's got too big a contract over too long a period, not good for Sixers when it comes to rebuilding. Gay is not really a major upgrade over Iggy, maybe just offensively but certainly lacks in all other departments.

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the whole point i think is that if we get iggy.. he will not be the # 1 option... he would be #3.. in phily he was the #1 option but as u see in his career he is not.. so i think if he would come here and become the #3 option, he ofense will flow more freely knowing he isnt that guy no mo!

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Yeah, if we made a significant upgrade at SF in the offseason, and everything went our way in the regular season in terms of injuries, etc., I don't think its outrageous to think we could be in the top half of the West. Clearly, if you look at the Western playoff teams this year, there's not a there's not a big margin between 1 and 8. The 8 seed is still around and the 1 and 2 seeds are done. And speaking of the 1 and 2 seeds, both have to do some level of rebuilding to stay competitive.

Anyway, even with the team we have now, whether with Baron or Mo, we showed we could compete with and beat all of the top West teams. So, if we get a big upgrade at SF -- without making any big sacrificies at other positions -- why not think big?

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It's really not that far fetched. A lot of people think we will be legit contenders with Iggy. Assuming DJ, Blake, EJ, Bledsoe and Aminu all improve this offseason. I think 4-6 seed is very possible with a lot of good happening.

Yeah, if we made a significant upgrade at SF in the offseason, and everything went our way in the regular season in terms of injuries, etc., I don't think its outrageous to think we could be in the top half of the West. Clearly, if you look at the Western playoff teams this year, there's not a there's not a big margin between 1 and 8. The 8 seed is still around and the 1 and 2 seeds are done. And speaking of the 1 and 2 seeds, both have to do some level of rebuilding to stay competitive.

Anyway, even with the team we have now, whether with Baron or Mo, we showed we could compete with and beat all of the top West teams. So, if we get a big upgrade at SF -- without making any big sacrificies at other positions -- why not think big?

Great post and I agree 100 percent. I think the key to your post is the seeding being close anyways. Like the last couple seasons you'll see an 8th seed win 48-50 games in the west and the 1st seed may have 56-60 wins. The gap really isn't too big. Very tight seeding. In the last 30 games of the season alone Denver went from 8th/9th seed to like 6th in the West or w/e they finished with.

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hopefully more west teams start to loose there key players... right now u dont know how its gonna be in denver.. they can easly drop if they start to loose key players... u dont know if san antonio will disperse there team.. will NO keep chris paul.... these are the few teams that can drop.. the west is so dame keep!

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i would go for Rudy G over Iggy.

Assuming if Iggy does turn into a role player rather than forcing the issue every time then it would be a good pickup if Kaman and DJ stay

Foye, Gomes, 1st round pick... not sounding too bad but we have been waiting for that minny pick for years. cant just give up on it yet

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Look if we get iggy for kaman without using are minny pick

Is big because we can us it if we need to or end up with a top

5 pick this is far most a big off season theirs also l

Lo and Bynum out next to us

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Rudy Gay would be a great pickup, but i dont know if he will be available. Also he is getting paid a lot and I am not sure if Memphis would want Kaman since they can probably get Gasol for cheaper.

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Rudy gay don't play defense iggy would lock up gay

He would slow down labron and durant that's what we

Need better defense and rebounding and that's where

Kaman hurts us at

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I say no to Rudy Gay - Memphis overpaid for him with a 5 year max contract valued at over $80M. We'd be idiots to attempt to match salaries to do a trade for that, we'd lose a lot of roster depth.

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Sixers wouldn't trade Iggy without the Minny pick involved, they wouldn't value Kaman that highly and certainly I can't imagine them envisioning building a team around Kaman and their current core players minus Iggy. The real value in Kaman is he can contribute AND more importantly he's an expiring contract next season, but not a part of the 76ers future if they are interested in rebuilding.

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I'd rather have Rudy than Iggy but either pick up would be pure gold for this team. We'd be in the playoffs no doubt.

These teams are looking for different things:

Philly is going to more interested in Kaman than anything else because C is their glaring weakness. They probably want a 1st too but Iggy and that salary are not worth throwing the Minny pick into the deal. If need be, trade them a future protected pick...If I were Olshey, I'd be trying to work Speights into that deal as well. They don't use him, they have Hawes as a backup and for us, he'd be a great bench big now and into the future.

Some people are saying Kaman is not good enough for a straight up swap for Iggy. I disagree. I think they're actually getting the better end of the deal as they're dumping a lot of salary and gaining a lot of flexibility while bringing a significant upgrade at C in the process.

A lot of GM's think Iggy is nearly untradable with that contract and that's going to take a lot of suitors out of the running, it's not like Philly has a line at the door with guys offering superstars to trade for Iggy...We have a very good shot at this happening...

Rudy is a better player and a better fit with our team. He's paid well and he's earns his money, I don't think he's overpaid...

Those guys don't want Kaman, they want to keep Gasol. It's a small market team with horrible attendance until these past couple months, they're struggling money wise and would be looking for salary relief.

We give them Foye, Gomes, and a pick. Maybe even the Minny pick. Memphis FO can justify this significant downgrade at the 3 by saying they needed the money to sign Gasol. They're obviously good, maybe better, with Gay out of the lineup. It could work...

If we can get Rudy in the above trade, we can still try to get CP3 with Aminu, Kaman, and a pick. Probably a long shot but it's possible...That happens and we're the best team in the NBA.

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i think iggy is not worth our minny pick that is foshow.. and maybe gay is... he is still young and will only get better

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Sixers wouldn't trade Iggy without the Minny pick involved, they wouldn't value Kaman that highly and certainly I can't imagine them envisioning building a team around Kaman and their current core players minus Iggy. The real value in Kaman is he can contribute AND more importantly he's an expiring contract next season, but not a part of the 76ers future if they are interested in rebuilding.

Kaman gives them massive amounts of cap relief, is an All-Star C and is much better of a player than any C they have on their team currently. The Kaman for Iggy trade rumors were prob just a 1 for 1 swap with a slight chance of some crap player or players from both or either teams going along with them. Philly isn't going anywhere anytime fast in the Eastern Conference, that extra spending money they'd get from kamans giant contract coming off the books and the future cap relief with iggy's contract being there justifies a 1 for 1 deal. If we traded Kaman and the Minny pick to philly, I'd ask for Thad Young and Louis Williams back in return, as well as Igoudala. That Minnesota pick is going to be a multi time all-star player.

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Evil or Very Mad he makes 56 million for the next 3 years? HELL NO! we don't need to spend dts's money that much! that's over 18 million, EIGHTEEN MILLION A YEAR, Shocked Shocked Shocked ....

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^ I can't speak for the Sixers organization but if I were in their shoes, I value the Minny pick more than Kaman. Regarding Kaman's All Star status, we as Clipper fans are going to think he's a big deal whereas other teams may not think as highly of his contributions, clearly evident by the Sixers writer's bearish take on him.

Minny pick being a multi-time all star? I wouldn't go THAT far, it's a shot in the lottery but there's no guarantees in the draft.

Also consider our own front office's perspective - Olshey has said he wants to move away from building through draft picks and instead wants veteran players. As it stands now, that Minny pick seems to be worth less to our organization than Kaman, and getting a star veteran via trade is more of a priority than keeping that pick.

Sixers really want that Minny pick, and we really want an All Star caliber veteran - hey, let's make a deal happen. However, while I said a month ago I'd do Kaman+Minny pick for Iggy, now I wouldn't give up both since it seems packaging the pick with some role players like Foye and Gomes is also appealing to the Sixers and less costly to us.

I'd also be fine with a Kaman for Iggy swap, but don't think either organization finds that in their best interest. A deal involving the Minny pick without losing Kaman would be in our best interest and also help out the Sixers, or whomever else we trade with.

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Rudy Gay for Minny Pick + Fillers IMO

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^ I'd be just as happy, Gay or Iguodala, or whoever else fits the bill. Package Minny pick with bench players for any high level starting small forward, get 'er done. Keeps Kaman on our roster, still gives us flexibility to re-sign DJ this summer, and gives us one of the most formidable starting lineups in the West. If Kaman is ok with it (he better be), having such a small forward allows DJ to start for defense and gives us Kaman's scoring off the bench. We can round out our bench later with one-year contracts, my only concern (since we'd be losing Foye) would be the softness at the 2 guard since EJ plays with reckless abandon when driving to the hoop.

Also we should just drop any talk about making a big 2012 free agent splash - we don't have the cap space if we make a trade for a long-term player this summer, plus we still need to re-sign EJ after next season. And if Blake accepts a max contract after July, there goes even more cap space.

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