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I say HELL YEA! I know Smith is inconsistent offensively (I feel it's him being used incorrectly) but defensively and as an all around player he's a BEAST and he's still only 26 or 27 years old.

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Damn just about to post that. We havnt seen him play that sf position his true position in awhile. Love his defense he would fit perfectly with this team great defense. Would this make the clippers the best dunking team in nba history with DJ, Blake, J smmoth, and EJ

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hmm. id really like to see how efficient josh smith is at the #3.

id also like to give DJ one more year to see if he can really develop offensively. if not, id think twice about trading kaman. problem is, next year's his last year and you'd like to get something in return for him. damn you, lockout.

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Kaman most likely will not resign with the team when he's sharing minutes with DJ anyways which is why it's better to just let him go, despite him being a very good Center. Better to get something for him than to lose him for free.

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I think this is a great idea. If this is a real possibility I hope the front office pulls the trigger on this trade.

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If we trade him for Kaman, then our starting frontcourt will be redundant. DJ, Blake and Josh Smith? Don't get me wrong, the fast breaks and dunks would be fun... but Smith's lack of shooting ability make him a bad fit. There's so much overlap with him and Griffin that he'd be almost useless. Not worth trading Kaman.

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SF who can't shoot but does what BG and DJ do well? Hmmm. Kind of like having all shooting guards who can't facilitate or run the point...We have that already. Too much money for a guy who's fans frowned whenever he shot the ball 15 ft away.

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^yeah pretty much what I was saying. Not worth trading our best trading piece for a guy who does the same things well that our team already does well, and does the same things terribly that our team does terribly. He would only marginally improve this team. Not the right fit.

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If I had to order the priorities for what we need in a SF, it might look like this:

  1. Shooting

  2. Defense

  3. Playmaking

  4. Athleticism

Smith's strengths are:

  1. Athleticism

  2. Defense

3-8. Other stuff

  1. Playmaking

  2. Shooting

Almost the opposite of what we need.

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No different than what Iguodala would provide.. besides instead of Josh being a top notch playmaker like Iguodala he's a top notch rebounder. Josh Smith is a great option because we could start him and Blake at 4 & 5 if DJ got into foul trouble for 10-15 mins a game, obviously will help since we are losing Kaman. Josh Smith went from shooting 0 3's last season because he was in the post all game... to shooting 33 percent from deep this year while attempting a fair number of them. Are we going to say 33 percent is terrible when Eric Gordon shoots 36 percent? Andre Iguodala shot 34 percent.

At the end of the day beggars can't be choosers. You guys act like people are lining up at the door begging for Kaman roll . If we can move him for ANY all star caliber SF including Josh Smith you do it with no hesitation. Josh Smith at his worst is twice as good as Gomes at his best usually. I'm actually more of a fan of us getting Iggy or Smith than let's say Rudy Gay or Granger. Iggy and Smith don't need shots to be effective. They rebound, play great defense and defer to teammates. Eric Gordon and Blake will likely come out very improved next season and want around 20 shots a game each. We DON'T need another guy who wants 15 shots a game.

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Yeah but I would love to him on this team if his contract wasn't that bad. For the price though, that's a bad move. I'd rather try and get AK47 if it's for defensive purposes.

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I really like j smith but we need a defensive 3, a pure 3, not a 4/3 like smith.

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It's hard to say with Smith though. He used to be a 3.. and his coaches have played him out of position. They put him at 4 and have him stay on the perimeter.. then get mad at him for shooting 3's. In our system I guarantee you he flourishes. Vinny is really good to his players. He's also an intelligent coach.

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If smith is a real 3, who play the 4 im ok whit this trade, the hawks need a C, with Horford playing the 4, and we need a 3, so maybe this is a win win trade.

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How many times have I said we should have tried to trade Kaman to the Hawks for Josh Smith. Hawks would have Hinrich, Horford, Kaman and could start Joe Johnson at the 3, or Marvin Williams at the 3 and have Crawford come off the bench.

Hawks desperately need a true center, Kaman fits the bill. Smith is massively dynamic and his offensive game is getting better as he matures, just like Gerald Wallace. Smith would really make up for the lack of D by Griffin and others on the court and would only add to the highlight alley oop dunks that we see already.

If this is true, Olshey needs to do w/e it takes to get Smoove here, Ive loved Josh Smith since he came into the league and was dying when I found out he re-signed with Atlanta a few years back.

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last i heard clippers weren't interested in josh smith - obviously teams change their minds but i'm not sure they do here

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At the end of the day beggars can't be choosers. You guys act like people are lining up at the door begging for Kaman roll . If we can move him for ANY all star caliber SF including Josh Smith you do it with no hesitation. Josh Smith at his worst is twice as good as Gomes at his best usually. I'm actually more of a fan of us getting Iggy or Smith than let's say Rudy Gay or Granger. Iggy and Smith don't need shots to be effective. They rebound, play great defense and defer to teammates. Eric Gordon and Blake will likely come out very improved next season and want around 20 shots a game each. We DON'T need another guy who wants 15 shots a game.

I couldn't agree more. Let me add just one thing. How many games did Kaman play last year? No matter who we get for him it will be like having an extra player on the team.

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Clippers are retarded if they arent interested in a guy that can get you 3-5 combined steals and blocks a game, 7-10 boards, 15 points, play good D and can play the 2,3 or the 4 spot.

They want a SF for the future and if Josh Smith is on the market, we dont know who else IS on the market at this point, and dont say Granger because they arent going to want Kaman and the pieces wed have to trade outside of griffin, gordon and the Minnesota pick.

Smith would really vault this team to a better level.

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I think Smith would be best served in a three team deal that involved the Pacers. The Pacers have wanted a PF for quite some time and Smith would fit in perfectly with the youth on the team. Add in a few more pieces here and there and I see no reason why Smith couldn't be headed to Indianapolis and why Granger couldn't be headed to the Clips.

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Beggers implies that you want something for free. That isn't the case here, is it?

And just so you know, Kaman has been the player on this team that has had more inquires based on the articles posted. You don't know what teams have asked for his services. There was a time Charlotte was willing to trade an injured Kaman for Wallace straight up. we declined the offer.

I haven't heard anyone asking about Iggy's services yet most here think he's the missing piece. Sixers ( based on rumors) don't seem to think so, right?

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you're thinking too much about numbers and not how he actually fits. everything he does well, we already do well as a team, so he can't make us that much better at those things. we're already a great rebounding team, so adding a great rebounder at the 3 will only make us marginally better in that category. same goes for athleticism, dunking, etc. what he does well, we already do well as a team, so his strengths don't add much to the team. the same can be said about his weaknesses-we're already a bad outside/ft shooting team, and he does nothing to make that better. so yeah, he'll help us out defensively some and give us some highlight dunks. but he won't give us help where we really need it. that's why i don't think it's worth it to trade our best trading piece for a guy who is redundant and who takes away a huge chunk of our capspace for 2012.

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seanrooks wrote:
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Clippers are retarded if they arent interested in a guy that can get you 3-5 combined steals and blocks a game, 7-10 boards, 15 points, play good D and can play the 2,3 or the 4 spot.

They want a SF for the future and if Josh Smith is on the market, we dont know who else IS on the market at this point, and dont say Granger because they arent going to want Kaman and the pieces wed have to trade outside of griffin, gordon and the Minnesota pick.

Smith would really vault this team to a better level.

you're thinking too much about numbers and not how he actually fits. everything he does well, we already do well as a team, so he can't make us that much better at those things. we're already a great rebounding team, so adding a great rebounder at the 3 will only make us marginally better in that category. same goes for athleticism, dunking, etc. what he does well, we already do well as a team, so his strengths don't add much to the team. the same can be said about his weaknesses-we're already a bad outside/ft shooting team, and he does nothing to make that better. so yeah, he'll help us out defensively some and give us some highlight dunks. but he won't give us help where we really need it. that's why i don't think it's worth it to trade our best trading piece for a guy who is redundant and who takes away a huge chunk of our capspace for 2012.

Perfectly said.

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Not the pickup i would expect but he has improved his shooting and is a great defensive player. I think he could be a great addition, too bad we would probably need to trade Kaman, because Kaman would be a great compliment to Smith and Blake Griffin's slashing ways.

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Let's hope they have changed their mind. Smith is a good all around player. Even if he's not the ideal fit in the mind of the FO he's an incredible upgrade to Gomes.

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Smith is an underrated playmaker. He's an energy guy, a pure hustler and a great defender.

That being said, offense can be worked on. Aminu couldn't even shoot free throws and over one summer, his shot was made decent. If Smith can dedicate one summer to his shooting (and I'm sure he will, now that it stuck out like a sore thumb in the playoffs and he got all that criticism from the public/media) he would be a great fit for us.

If he doesn't, then I understand your point. But as long as he's willing to work to prove all the people from this year wrong (especially the Hawks fans who boo'd him for shooting outside shots), he's going to be a hell of a player for any team to pick up.

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Josh Smith would be a huge upgrade for us at SF. If we can't get a better shooter, I would be pretty happy with such a trade. He has improved his 3 point shooting, though 33% isn't anything to brag about. But he brings solid defense which could help increase our opportunistic fast-break opportunities per game.

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He's 25 and he would be great IMO, if he came here. People who say he's redundant, well there's isn't that guy out there that fits all our needs perfectly, but I'll take a guy who is a big plus at the defensive end, excellent rebounder, has a LTFG% of .466 anytime over the other trade choices that have been thrown out there.

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Ok we get gomes was bad this year, but even though I want us to get Josh smith, our goal isnt to just get anyone who is better than gomes. You have to understand that when making a team you need to find guys that fit into the system you want to run. You dont just grab any guy who might be good and hope he fits in. If you do that, you end up going no where. Its like saying hey we should pick up ramon sessions to play our SF spot because "He is at least better than gomes."

there is a reason GMs and scouts want to know what guys are best at. Its so they can figure out if their game will fit with the team or not.

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Lord no................................

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Completely Agree

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BenjaSands wrote:
seanrooks wrote:
If we trade him for Kaman, then our starting frontcourt will be redundant. DJ, Blake and Josh Smith? Don't get me wrong, the fast breaks and dunks would be fun... but Smith's lack of shooting ability make him a bad fit. There's so much overlap with him and Griffin that he'd be almost useless. Not worth trading Kaman.

Completely Agree

completely disagree....particularly if you can trade for him for Mr. Netzero. Oh and he's not injury prone.

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Lmao at everyone who doesn't want J-Smoove on this team. Everything he does well we already do well? Apparently none of you have watched us play defense. Adding another versatile defender in Smith would mke us rock solid. You all act like bolstering 9our strengths wouldn't help us...

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jcdigital wrote:
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Let's hope they have changed their mind. Smith is a good all around player. Even if he's not the ideal fit in the mind of the FO he's an incredible upgrade to Gomes.

Ok we get gomes was bad this year, but even though I want us to get Josh smith, our goal isnt to just get anyone who is better than gomes. You have to understand that when making a team you need to find guys that fit into the system you want to run. You dont just grab any guy who might be good and hope he fits in. If you do that, you end up going no where. Its like saying hey we should pick up ramon sessions to play our SF spot because "He is at least better than gomes."

there is a reason GMs and scouts want to know what guys are best at. Its so they can figure out if their game will fit with the team or not.

Josh Smith is a very good fit or the FO wouldn't of pursued getting him for the last few years in trades and when he was a free agent......

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Also you guys shooters can come off the bench too ya know? It's not like we need to have a lights out shooter in the starting 5. We already have Mo and EJ who are capable outside shooters. A Kyle Korver type off the bench would help a ton. We can have both.

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Agree....and we NEED to get better defensively if we want to start winning and keep going deep into the playoffs.

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last time i checked the Lakers didn't have any great shooters and they won back to back titles.Josh can be our version of Lamar Odom.they are very similiar.also Kaman needs to go.i would make that trade in a heartbeat.we have to stop acting like Kaman is a superstar.he is not.takes way too many shots.a bad passer and such a softy at the rim.makes Pau Gasol look like Dwight Howard.

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josh smith is a horible shot taker.. but is very athletic...

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86, the Clippers never offered him anything when he was available and we needed someone. After Memphis gave him an offer sheet, he was never looked at again. Even Pincus said he's not on our radar.

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tense2 wrote:
Clipswhit wrote:
Lmao at everyone who doesn't want J-Smoove on this team. Everything he does well we already do well? Apparently none of you have watched us play defense. Adding another versatile defender in Smith would mke us rock solid. You all act like bolstering 9our strengths wouldn't help us...

Agree....and we NEED to get better defensively if we want to start winning and keep going deep into the playoffs.

But that starts with the coach. Look how well Chicago is doing with a defensive minded coach. It's team defense that needs help, not any particular player that will somehow make us a defensive team.

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j smooth is still a big upgrade over gomes.. which is sad..

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Sad to say that most any SF starting fits that observation.

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you're thinking too much about numbers and not how he actually fits. everything he does well, we already do well as a team, so he can't make us that much better at those things. we're already a great rebounding team, so adding a great rebounder at the 3 will only make us marginally better in that category. same goes for athleticism, dunking, etc. what he does well, we already do well as a team, so his strengths don't add much to the team. the same can be said about his weaknesses-we're already a bad outside/ft shooting team, and he does nothing to make that better. so yeah, he'll help us out defensively some and give us some highlight dunks. but he won't give us help where we really need it. that's why i don't think it's worth it to trade our best trading piece for a guy who is redundant and who takes away a huge chunk of our capspace for 2012.

Agree with this as well. I really want us to get a great shooter, which is our biggest deficiency. However, if we cant make a trade for a great shooter, I wouldn't mind Josh Smith as a last resort. It will be hard to stomach another season with Gomes or Aminu starting at the 3!

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I'd be kind of nuetral about this trade. I wouldn't be ecstatic about it, but I wouldn't be that upset either. Smith is an intriguing piece and, IMO, would make us better, but I'm not convinced there might not be more suitable options out there.

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clipper*joe wrote:
Greenmonk94 wrote:
j smooth is still a big upgrade over gomes.. which is sad..

Sad to say that most any SF starting fits that observation.

i always thought this but lets see of we have the worst starting small Forward..

charlotte is the only team i can think of that we might have a better SF in gomes...

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clipper*joe wrote:
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Josh Smith is a very good fit or the FO wouldn't of pursued getting him for the last few years in trades and when he was a free agent......

86, the Clippers never offered him anything when he was available and we needed someone. After Memphis gave him an offer sheet, he was never looked at again. Even Pincus said he's not on our radar.

The Clippers FO never officially announced it but we were in talks with Josh Smith during his free agency as well as trade talks linking us to him previously much like we were with Iguodala the last 2 seasons. He was a RESTRICTED free agent and the Hawks said they were going to keep him if it meant matching which is why only Memphis took a shot on it. Atlanta matched Memphis. They actually matched it the same day I believe. It doesn't mean we weren't interested in or pursuing him.

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Josh Smith would help the Clippers in nearly every way. They would be crazy to not consider him as a possibility. I would take 1/3 from three with his defense, rebounding and playmaking ability any day of the week...

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Smith is too slow to play small forward... Just by watching him play, I can tell that he's not going to be able to get by his defenders due to his lack of speed ( while he has the ball in his hands, of course. Overall speed is a whole other thing.)

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All the Josh Smith stuff was pre Blake Griffin... There is no reason to pick up another player who plays almost an identical game to Blake... One of the reasons Atlanta isn't a better team is that Smith is playing out of position at SF... He's a very good PF, but with Horford, he's redundant there too.

It's like the people here who want to move Griffin to SF... Why take an excellent PF and turn him into a mediocre SF... Smith just wouldn't fit... and that's taking nothing away from him as a player. If we needed a PF, I'd be all for bringing him in.

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Agree. Unfortunately, speaking of redundancy, we're all being quite redundant here. This is what everyone against bringing in Smith, including me, has been saying all along.

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Sam.. you, Joe and a few others do have a very good/valid point in the redundancy comment. Thing is.. IF Granger, Iguodala and Rudy Gay aren't available you take the best option. Our team wants the playoffs next year. The players and front office EXPECT it. If we go another offseason losing out on every option and good free agent it's going to be a massive blow to our playoff hopes. Sometimes in sports you DO have to settle. Kaman is going to walk after next season I have 0 doubt. It's better to have our SF situation resolved before the season so our guys can all go through training camp together and gel a bit. Doing a midseason trade may compromise the season. Josh Smith is good enough to where his skills will offset his shortcomings.

Even if he's redundant next to Griffin can you really have too much rebounding and paint scoring? Plus Josh Smith AVERAGED 3 blocks and 2 steals a game a couple seasons ago. Are you really telling me Blake Griffin does that? Josh Smith is a defensive beast, which Blake isn't. The paint is big enough for 3 post players assuming they know what they are doing. Josh Smith is actually more comfortable in the midrange area and on the break... so it's not like he camps out 10 feet from the basket like Blake. I think people aren't giving him a fair chance if they immediately shoot it down.

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