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This guy REALLY impresses me. He has a plan and he's moving towards it. Much like VDN he reassures me when he speaks because he definitely seems to know his stuff.

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Oh no he's talking about character again scary stuff. last time he talked about that we ended up with ryan gomes

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Hahaha. Honestly though last year was a fluke. Amare, Lebron and Joe Johnson picked their teams pretty much right away. Gomes and Foye were desperate options to try to plug holes. It's not like Olshey blew it or anything.

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Only way he screwed up was focusing on Lebron so much. Then again I can't think of another free agent from last year that would have helped us. All too expensive or duplicate positions.

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We had one real target and that target was someone who wanted to come here and talk to us, that was Lebron. We gave him a great pitch and didn't say well we have the Empire State Building, or we have the best beaches, we have the best Hot Dogs, our hotels are awesome!

It was a .0003% chance IMO that Lebron was going to come here. Rudy Gay signed a contract at like 12:01 AM when you could sign contracts and talk to free agents, Joe Johnson was always going to want to stay in Atlanta, he's a friggin hero there. D wade wasnt going anywhere and Chris Bosh isn't as good as advertised. He performed well on a Toronto team that is and was terrible. + we didnt have room for him to play as he's too weak to play C and IMO he's too weak to play PF. Amare was never on our watch list.

Foye I think did rather well considering. He hit free throws, contributed scoring when we lost out best scorer and filled in nicely off the bench, I'm glad he came here. Gomes was a bit of a disappointment but I think could do better next year if he came off the bench and we secured a SF to start.

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I would like to see an interviewer who really picks Olshey's brain. Madelyn Burke is awesome, but she's not that type of reporter. I'd like to know his thought process after learning that Cleveland won the lottery with our pick, on who he's targeting specifically this offseason and how the new CBA will or will not affect his plans. Olshey talks a good game, he's an actor afterall, but this offseason is critical for him to show and prove. No excuses this time.

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i felt like they took an easy way out like picking players with good numbers on bad teams. like the time we picked up bricky davis. like they're just looking at stats and not how the players play

i would have been more impressed if olshey was able to pick up a diamond in the rough like tony allen, dorrell wright etc.

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Foye is an underrated player. He was inconsistent and injured but when healthy and getting good minutes he was very dependable as a starter or bench player. Gomes on the other hand was one of the worst signings in Clippers history lol. It's only fitting we give him a longer, bigger contract than Foye and he's WORSE.

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2 things that stand out:

  1. Olshey mentions guys that would fit around the U23. He never mentions Kaman. Looks like it's a matter of time before he's gone.

  2. Olshey mentions Bledsoe and Aminu as guys that were drafted out of position.

  • We drafted a college 2 GUARD AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM A 1 ( Point Guard) - Hence "trying to make him"

  • " " PF and trying to make him a SF

    This is exactly what I said about Bledsoe. Olshey seems to agree with me too. Perfect timing with my comments on the Bledsoe thread. wink

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Tony Allen in all honesty could be a great starter / potential all-star right now. Anyone remember that year the Celtics tanked and Allen came in getting what, 4-5 steals a game for like a month putting up sick numbers before that freak injury? Allen was always known to be explosive and a great defender, that injury hurt him, and then Ray Allen coming in and Paul Pierce returning from injury crippled his growth a bit, but he's still a terrific player. Memphis didn't get a diamond in the rough, they got a player who they knew was a good player and they knew could do what they wanted, get to the FT line, get steals, play D and provide a large spark off the bench.

Were all jealous of players on other teams but how many people that are fans of other teams are jealous that Kaman or Jordan came off the bench for us and they could use either of those 2 to start on their team, or to be their 6th man? How many people were jealous of Bledsoe? Went 18th in the draft and although he's running at 200mph at times, showed that the pick we traded for him was well worth it. Bledsoe may never be a full time starter, may never put up 37+ minutes a game, but he's very good on D, he can shoot from all over and provides massive energy, + he's got a lot of potential. At best he's a starter for years for us, or maybe wins a 6th man award like a Jason Terry. At worst, he stays where he's at.

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jarca wrote:
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Hahaha. Honestly though last year was a fluke. Amare, Lebron and Joe Johnson picked their teams pretty much right away. Gomes and Foye were desperate options to try to plug holes. It's not like Olshey blew it or anything.

i felt like they took an easy way out like picking players with good numbers on bad teams. like the time we picked up bricky davis. like they're just looking at stats and not how the players play

i would have been more impressed if olshey was able to pick up a diamond in the rough like tony allen, dorrell wright etc.

Nobody like that wanted to play for the Clippers. If all those players knew how good Blake and Eric were going to be this year they would have wanted in.

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Same goes for Derrick Rose but that didn't stop him from being MVP. Just because Bledsoe isn't a "pure" or prototypical PG doesn't mean you can't make him an efficient one. Besides Bledsoe was a PG at times at Kentucky and a PG his youth, including HS. Not like trying to make someone who's never played the position a PG.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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2 things that stand out:

  1. Olshey mentions guys that would fit around the U23. He never mentions Kaman. Looks like it's a matter of time before he's gone.

  2. Olshey mentions Bledsoe and Aminu as guys that were drafted out of position.

  • We drafted a college 2 GUARD AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM A 1 ( Point Guard) - Hence "trying to make him"

  • " " PF and trying to make him a SF

    This is exactly what I said about Bledsoe. Olshey seems to agree with me too. Perfect timing with my comments on the Bledsoe thread. wink

Same goes for Derrick Rose but that didn't stop him from being MVP. Just because Bledsoe isn't a "pure" or prototypical PG doesn't mean you can't make him an efficient one. Besides Bledsoe was a PG at times at Kentucky and a PG his youth, including HS. Not like trying to make someone who's never played the position a PG.

Derrick Rose was the 1st pick in the draft. Rose played PG in College. People knew Rose was going to be a star, Bledsoe wasn't the star on his team in college. Very different situations.

Plus, listen to Olshey's own words. They're trying to make him a PG and was drafted as a 2. That was exactly what I said yesterday and today.

Olshey's words validate what I've been trying to say.

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Burke works for the Clippers website. She's there to toe the line and ask softball questions.

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I would like to see an interviewer who really picks Olshey's brain. Madelyn Burke is awesome, but she's not that type of reporter. I'd like to know his thought process after learning that Cleveland won the lottery with our pick, on who he's targeting specifically this offseason and how the new CBA will or will not affect his plans. Olshey talks a good game, he's an actor afterall, but this offseason is critical for him to show and prove. No excuses this time.

Burke works for the Clippers website. She's there to toe the line and ask softball questions.

Yeah, she can't really dig deeper because of that. Still, I don't mind watching her over and over again. Very Happy

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I'm pretty sure Rose split time at PG with the other guy on Memphis at the time and wasn't considered a typical PG. Rose is more of a Gilbert Arenas type PG with more athletic abilities, and Arenas never had a defensive minded coach like Rose did this past year and prob for years to come.

Rose is a scorer, yes he passes well but he also takes tons of shots a game. D Wade is a 2 guard and puts up 6+ assists as career average. Its fairly easy for a prime time scoring threat to get a lot of assists when you play the 1 or the 2.

Rose is massively talented, far beyond what Bledsoe is, but Bledsoe did play the PG up until Wall took over at Kentucky. Bledsoe knows his position in the league will always be a PG and I think he's up to that challenge. I've seen nearly everyone on this board argue about Bledsoe being able to be a PG and he was a PG and he always will be a PG including Joe.

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But joe he mentioned something u didnt, that they both have skills that they have exhibited that showed us that they can play the 1 and the 3.

and I guess neil doesnt agree with Sam cuz he feels that DJ is a starter.

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You qouted him wrong joe.. Olshey actually said "took a college 4 and MADE him into a 3" not trying to make him..he did say trying with bledsoe but he said made with farouq.

i know you like knit picking so theres a little detail for you...

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Chad Ford mentioned in his chat today that everyone in the basketball world still thinks Gay will be traded. He also says that the Clips would love to have him, but don't seem to have the pieces to get a deal done.

I think Gay makes a ton of sense even though his contract is a bit outrageous. I also think we have more than enough pieces to get a deal done.

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Jerediscool wrote:
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2 things that stand out:

  1. Olshey mentions guys that would fit around the U23. He never mentions Kaman. Looks like it's a matter of time before he's gone.

  2. Olshey mentions Bledsoe and Aminu as guys that were drafted out of position.

  • We drafted a college 2 GUARD AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM A 1 ( Point Guard) - Hence "trying to make him"

  • " " PF and trying to make him a SF

    This is exactly what I said about Bledsoe. Olshey seems to agree with me too. Perfect timing with my comments on the Bledsoe thread. wink

You qouted him wrong joe.. Olshey actually said "took a college 4 and MADE him into a 3" not trying to make him..he did say trying with bledsoe but he said made with farouq.

i know you like knit picking so theres a little detail for you...

Fair enough. Aminu really wasn't the point I was making, it was Bledsoe. The following sentences kind it puts it in perspective. Never mentioned Aminu after that.

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I didn't mention it cause I was only making a specific point. The point that Bledsoe was drafted as a 2, not a 1. I also mentioned that I don't see EB as a PG and Olshey made a specific point to mention that they're trying to make him a 1. Olshey didn't say he is a PG, he said they're trying to make him one.

As far as the "they both have skills that they have exhibited", in context, he's is saying that is why they drafted both of them. That comment is basically saying that is the reason why they got EB and Aminu in the draft. Listen to it.

And finally, notice how Olshey makes it a point to mention thast he sees Aminu as a SF BUT never says it for Bledsoe. Again, it all goes back to what I said yesterday.

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I think that Olshey also thinks that EB is a PG and that is why they are playing him there.... if he was solely a SG they would play him there... i dunno, thats what i got out of it

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Olshey absolutely says they both "expressed traits" that make them able to project into the 1 and the 3. When he said they both expressed traits and feel for their respective positions in the nba of a 1 and a 3, it means he views EB as a point guard just as he views aminu as a 3. There is no doubt about that because he goes onto say he liked both because of their physical attributes for their respective positions. If he felt EB was a SG with no way to be a PG, he would not have drafted him because he would be too short thus, he is not saying EB is a sg in the nba. He is saying that EB has versatility just as aminu does.

If olshey just left his comment at we drafted a SG and tried to make him into a PG and a PF and tried to make him a SF, then maybe your argument would be easy to agree with u and say he feels that EB is a SG not a PG, but because he went further to say how they both have feel for their respective positions and good traits and skills for their NBA positions means he views them as a 1 and 3 respectively regardless of what they played in college. Ill give you that he is talking about how they can each play both positions but no further than that.

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[quote="Jerediscool"]I think that Olshey also thinks that EB is a PG and that is why they are playing him there.... if he was solely a SG they would play him there... i dunno, thats what i got out of it[/quote

exactly.

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Maybe we shouldnt hang on every word that someone says.. I'm sure we are taking some of the things he is saying out of context

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Not hanging on every word, just found it funny that I just said the same thing last night. I also think I put what he said in context. I will also add that I don't hang on every word he says, he hasn't built enough cred yet.

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Look, agree to disagree. I just got a different opinion. When you listen to burke mention the guys that they're looking at, Olshey responds by saying that that is how Aminu and Bledsoe were picked.

By the way, do any of you guys think, I think, that Olshey doesn't think Bledsoe will eventually be that PG? I hope not, that isn't my point.

You guys should look at the Bledsoe thread and look at my posts. Maybe then you guys can get what I'm trying to say. We're arguing different things.

Olshey said that they're trying to mold him into a PG BUT think he has the tangibles to be one. Where we differ in opinions ( mine & Olshey) is that I haven't seen enough to tell me is will be the PGOF. Obviously Olshey thinks so but he did separate his feelings about Aminu's progress and EB's. He made that clear.

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Uh yeah... that's what happened, but in Bledsoe's case, he played the 2 because Wall was the PG, not because he wasn't capable...

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That's what he said, but he didn't touch on how far along in the process Bledsoe is.

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or it could have been a bad choice of words and he meant to say we drafted a college 2 who is actually an NBA 1... give it up. EB is a PG for the clippers.. hes not a SG. When EB starts playing SG then we can re hash this and discuss what he plays better. But since all he plays for the Los Angeles Clippers is PG, hes a PG.

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He may play PG for us but he's got a lot work to do to actually becoming just a good a PG......minimum 2 years away.

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You just don't get it. I'm not the one trying to rationalize anything. I just made a mere observation on the exact words Olshey used, just like I used yesterday. You need to let it go. I made the distinction between how he described Aminu, and how he described Bledsoe. EB is the back-up PG and no one is denying it...Give it up.

He might be a PG for the Clippers but that doesn't mean he plays like one.

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illastrate wrote:
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I would like to see an interviewer who really picks Olshey's brain. Madelyn Burke is awesome, but she's not that type of reporter. I'd like to know his thought process after learning that Cleveland won the lottery with our pick, on who he's targeting specifically this offseason and how the new CBA will or will not affect his plans. Olshey talks a good game, he's an actor afterall, but this offseason is critical for him to show and prove. No excuses this time.

Burke works for the Clippers website. She's there to toe the line and ask softball questions.

Yeah, she can't really dig deeper because of that. Still, I don't mind watching her over and over again. Very Happy

Yeah i don't mind watching her 2.I WONDER If somone is HITTING it...i mean if she has a boyfriend Embarassed .By the way did u see at the end i think the GM Fell in love with her 2 lol

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I like the fact that we have 15 mill in cap space, Ryan makes 4 mill a year as a throw in with 1 more year to go, So for 19 mill we can get a lot. Now if you throw in Kaman's 12.7 mill contract, 31 mill in space and a trade could maybe net 2 guys.

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Our bench is what truly needs to be upfgraded, Bledsoe and Foye played well, We really need a back PF who can give Blake a rest, if Kaman is traded we need a solid BU center. Humphries of NJ being married to Kim may want to come here and I really liked his game this year, hustle guy who gets a lot of boards. Kaman needs to go, the playoffs have shown, defense wins game, DJ has improved and Kaman doesn't play good D.

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Bledsoe was one of the top 3 PG's out of high school. He just hit the Wall at Kentucky and had to switch to SG there. He has the phsyical skills to be a top NBA PG. But he just turned 21 and only had one year in college. He made great stides last year. He needs to improve on decision making and his assist/turnover ratio. He also shoots better on the catch and shoot than he does on the pull up jumper. As PG he has to improve there as well. I actually think he will get there. He may not start for us this year, but watch out in 2012. And BTW. Foye played so well last year he has solidified his role as the back up SG anyway.

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that 15 mill in cap space is going to get eaten up real quick when dj gets resigned haha

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i liked the refrence neil did on not makiing a big trade just to make one... if not.. we still got next year... patience is a virtue

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I was not happy at all with the offseason acquisitions. In fact, aside from making a move for Eric Bledsoe I am dissapointed in all the moves he has made thus far: Aminu, trading our pick this year. He still has the opportunity to right this ship, and he may yet make a huge move. However, so far I would have to say that I am not a happy camper. I will certainly hope for the best, but I dont expect much at this point.

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actually ryan gomes uselessness will still be here for 2 more years

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pageC4 wrote:
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Hahaha. Honestly though last year was a fluke. Amare, Lebron and Joe Johnson picked their teams pretty much right away. Gomes and Foye were desperate options to try to plug holes. It's not like Olshey blew it or anything.

I was not happy at all with the offseason acquisitions. In fact, aside from making a move for Eric Bledsoe I am dissapointed in all the moves he has made thus far: Aminu, trading our pick this year. He still has the opportunity to right this ship, and he may yet make a huge move. However, so far I would have to say that I am not a happy camper. I will certainly hope for the best, but I dont expect much at this point.

did you really like the way the team looked better at the end of last season? did you really believe the Lebron was coming here? If any thing the only point of those meetings was to show the fans that our new GM was trying to make something happen. Lebron was going to MIA the whole time.

I read an interiew with DWade and Bosh where they were like " yea lebron never even tried to get us to go to Cleveland because he knew that wasnt happening" they were going to play together no matter what and MIA was the best place to do that

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olshey never said Bledsoe was drafted as a "2". He said he was drafted to play the 1 but played 2 in college, very different. Overall i just hope we have a good trade in the works.

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Burke: Taking a guy who played a certain position in college and saying, ok, I think he will fit playing another position in the league...How to gauge that it's possible to transfer that?

Olshey: Well, that's where you look at the versatility. Last year we did that with Aminu and Bledsoe. We took a COLLEGE TWO AND WE'RE TRYING ( operative word) to make him into a one. We took a College four and we MADE him into a three...But, they both exhibited the skills to play those positions.

  • Notice how Olshey differentiates between Bledsoe and Aminu. He thinks Aminu is a 4 but, they're trying to make Bledsoe a 1. Also notice how Olshey puts a disclaimer at the end of the quote:

    "But, they both exhibited the skills to play those positions."

In other words, even though Bledsoe doesn't play like a PG, he exhibited the skills to play that position. One has made the transition but the other has the skills to transition.

I find it a but curious that people want to fight this tooth and nail. No reading between the lines, no taking him out of context, he makes it clear about how he views both players and how they have, or have not, transitioned. It's funny that to have to literally spell it out for people.

  • Not singling you out, CB24. Was mean for people who argued this yesterday. Just saved a little time not quoting everyone.
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i've heard Gay isn't available right now but COULD be once they resolve the CBA and the Marc Gasol situation - then Memphis will have a better fix on their economics - but given the uncertainty Gay off-limits through Draft and end of June.

Neil basically said in the video the team is trying to drive the market to make a trade by end if June - but it's difficult if teams are on a different time scale. Cap room opens up differently after lockout than where they are now - don't know the new system - they project to have $13-15 mil under current but depends on numbers and other factors.

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Not getting excited about anything until we actually do something. There are actual moves these guys can do this year, let's see how well they get BG and EJ some help..

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pageC4 wrote:
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Hahaha. Honestly though last year was a fluke. Amare, Lebron and Joe Johnson picked their teams pretty much right away. Gomes and Foye were desperate options to try to plug holes. It's not like Olshey blew it or anything.

I was not happy at all with the offseason acquisitions. In fact, aside from making a move for Eric Bledsoe I am dissapointed in all the moves he has made thus far: Aminu, trading our pick this year. He still has the opportunity to right this ship, and he may yet make a huge move. However, so far I would have to say that I am not a happy camper. I will certainly hope for the best, but I dont expect much at this point.

Only better SF was Paul George at our draft position and he wasn't way better or anything. Neither player was NBA ready. No doubt Aminu is raw as hell.. but that's not a big mistake by Olshey. I think if he works really hard he has a lot of potential. Trading our pick this year in a weak draft to get a younger, healthier and better locker room presence PG was an important move going forward. Bledsoe and Mo have 0 problem letting Blake and Eric Gordon be THE man... or taking the end of game shots. Baron always wanted to be a hero. Even though he become a MUCH better player for us this year... he still was taking all the big shots and missing every single one. Olshey wants the team to understand it's Blake and EJ's team.

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Just my 2 cents on this topic..

The younger players don't need to wait til after the draft to work with the team. They have a year under there belts now and have a chance to work with the team well before they did last year.. This next season will define just how much they learn together.

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RE: aminu and george - they're not all that different. its kinda unfair to compare the 2 considering they're in different systems. its not far-fetched to say that aminu could've thrived in indiana.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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olshey never said Bledsoe was drafted as a "2". He said he was drafted to play the 1 but played 2 in college, very different. Overall i just hope we have a good trade in the works.

Burke: Taking a guy who played a certain position in college and saying, ok, I think he will fit playing another position in the league...How to gauge that it's possible to transfer that?

Olshey: Well, that's where you look at the versatility. Last year we did that with Aminu and Bledsoe. We took a COLLEGE TWO AND WE'RE TRYING ( operative word) to make him into a one. We took a College four and we MADE him into a three...But, they both exhibited the skills to play those positions.

  • Notice how Olshey differentiates between Bledsoe and Aminu. He thinks Aminu is a 4 but, they're trying to make Bledsoe a 1. Also notice how Olshey puts a disclaimer at the end of the quote:

    "But, they both exhibited the skills to play those positions."

In other words, even though Bledsoe doesn't play like a PG, he exhibited the skills to play that position. One has made the transition but the other has the skills to transition.

I find it a but curious that people want to fight this tooth and nail. No reading between the lines, no taking him out of context, he makes it clear about how he views both players and how they have, or have not, transitioned. It's funny that I have to literally spell it out for people.

  • Not singling you out, CB24. Was meant for people who argued this yesterday. Just saved a little time not quoting everyone.
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