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Post subject: The "shooter" we really need is?
 Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 09:05 AM PST
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| So it looks like the Clippers are going to trade Maggette as soon as they get the right deal. And AI certainly looks intriguing. But the price is to steep if we have to include Shaun. And since we have two competent PG's, our glaring need is outside shooting. We are the worst in the league at 29% from beyond the arc. Other teams do not fear our shooting and know we can not beat them from the outside, but we can beat them if Elton and Kaman gets off. So they pack it in, zone, and make life miserable for Elton and Kaman. The Answer is not AI. The answer is a prolific outside shooter. It will free up Elton from all the triple teams. We lost more than we thought when VladRad left. Is it Mike Miller or Kyle Korver or JR or Ray Allen? If we are going to trade Maggette and one of our two first round Draft picks we need to get a dead eye outside shooter. Shooting is contagious and we need to get infected. So who should it be? Who can we get? |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 01:48 PM PST
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Great thought about the "shooting contagious".These are the same names we are talking about day after day...Right now, what I only can say is that in my opinion the trade must be done the early possible...we aren't focused in the game due to the multiple trade talks about Magg.I'm with JamFan thinking that AI isn't what we really need.
Of course, that between all these names, our prefered is Ray Allen.I think that everybody is OK with this name.But the question is if the Sonics have thought to trade him.I wouldn't mind to give Shaun and Corey to get Ray.We could give them draft picks or even Sofo too.Do u think the same?
To sum up, Ray Allen is da men.He's a leader,he's veteran so he has proved what he can do either in regular season and PO, he's a shooter, he wants a ring before retiring and the Sonics didn't get the PO last year and this year doesn't seem so far...Give the max for Ray Allen and we will be sure that we have everything to go to the sky |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 05:49 PM PST
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I think trading for Allen would be great. I'm leary about giving up Livingston because I dont think Cassell has the energy to play most of a game, and Ewing is not a true point guard (more of a shooting guard if you ask me). But we musn't give up Baby Shaq. Just in case Kaman flops, or Baby Shaq is the real deal. There isnt too many teams with solid centers, so having some is a great advantage.
I only ask one thing if we trade: make sure Tim Thomas is shipped away. hehe. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 07:51 PM PST
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As much as I'd like to see Ray Allen in a Clippers uniform, it's just not going to happen. The Sonics are committed to Ray Allen and would give Lewis up via trade before letting loose of Allen. Lewis to me is a very talented player.
There's no way the Sixers are going to give up Kyle Klover. They've made it clear than any rebuilding process will center around Klover. There's a reason why you didn't hear his name thrown around in the Sixers trade --- even though everyone else in the NBA practically was,
The Mike Miller deal could happen since the Grizz are going to be under new ownership. If it's something that will improve the team a lot, this is another option you could try pushing. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 10:30 PM PST
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| Bring back PIKE !! j/k, i doubt he is reliable enough anymore. How about the rookie from Marquette: Steve Novak (Houston) ?? Let's trade Tim Thomas and a draft pick for Steve Novak !!! Anyone agree? |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 19, 2006 - 11:29 PM PST
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Novak is lightweight and while being a very good shooter, imo isnt strong enough and doesn't rebound as much as a forward should.
The player I would most like to see is Rashard Lewis. He's an excellent scorer, great shooter, can also play in post and take advantage of his size. His rebounding is also much improved and he is having issue with seattle's desire. I also believe his contract is expiring soon?
Anyhow, give up maggette and thomas - may just have a deal there. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 20, 2006 - 12:52 AM PST
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| Rashard can opt out of his contract after next year. If he signals to the Sonics that he is gone, they just might trade him to get something, instead of getting nothing if he opts out. The Sonics are always strapped for cash. So Maggette looks like a good deal to them at only 7Mil per year. We might have to include another asset like Ewing or draft picks but it just might be a good deal for the Clippers. There will of course be other suitors for Rashard if he becomes available. But we might just have what the Sonics want, not an overpriced player but a value priced player. JamFan |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 20, 2006 - 03:39 PM PST
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| I would love to get Rashard or Ray Allen. However, Lewis can opt out after THIS season, which may make the trade to be another Radmanovic rental. The team does need to do something to improve.Iverson is off the table now, so one of these shooters look good. Others who may be available are Mike Dunleavy Jr or Ron Artest. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 20, 2006 - 06:04 PM PST
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| Rashard Lewis...raw athleticism, good shooting (outside too), great height. We arent exactly struggling with rebounding, with Brand and Kaman. If we can alternate the starting lineup between a smaller SF in Ross and a bigger SF in Lewis, I belive it's an upgrade over Maggette. Thats what you want in a SF combo i think: one guy who can defend and another who can shoot. Magette can score, but he isnt a "shooter" like Lewis can be. I say Magette+Thomas+draft pick+Ewing for Rashard+another player. Luke Ridnour (j/k that wouldnt happen). |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 03:15 AM PST
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| i think we shouldnt just throw names and amke rumors. I belive we need most is a three shooter, and a coach whilke were at it. Lewis, is an incredibally great player (awesome). But he is another Maggette, Carbon copy of Maggette. In fact U PEOPLE ARE UNDERESTIMATING C-MAGG. Lewis plays many more minutes than Maggette, and u people forgot that our crack head coach is hating on C-Mag. Get rid of the coach, Maggette will explode for over (Lewis's) 22/7 EASILY! Ray Allen IS another story, but that story will never be written. SO I say NO lewis, (forceablly) Allen, AI (not availabel anymore), mike miller??? -> NO, Mike Dunlevy Jr??!!???! -> Hell NO! |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 07:20 AM PST
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I have no doubt that Maggette is a great scorer...he always puts big numbers in scoring and rebounding.I know that.The problem is that he isn't a threat from the long distance.that's all.we are sucking behind the 3 point line and Magg isn't going to solve this problem.we SUPOSE that Rashard could solve in part this big problem.basketball is not everything about the numbers but other things (intangibles) too.
Furthermore the most important problem is that he WANTS to leave if Dunleavy continues as our coach.And when one of your main players wants to leave it breaks group's chemistry and the result is this awful season.It's not Maggette's 100% fault and Dunleavys 100% fault either.it's a mix.And until we finish with all the speculations about trades, this team, as they are showing, won't be focused in his job and the losses will increase...Something must happen soon better than later!!! |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 11:24 PM PST
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| Hey Benoit, if it is true that Rashard can opt out after this season, can we structure a trade that includes an assurance that he won't do that to us (opt out), or sign an extension as part of the deal. I think we only do this if he really wants to come to LA. He helps us alot if he comes here happy. He is a distraction if he comes here under duress. What do you think? |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 21, 2006 - 11:50 PM PST
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| I don't know how that works...but with all the "legalities" of the NBA, the only way to actually guarantee that he won't opt out is to extend him now. However, I don't know how that works with the Clippers being over the cap. But I'm all for it if they can get it to work and he's up for it. It would be a good trade. I don't think the Sonics are ready to trade him or Ray Allen just yet, but it's possible. If they could guarantee that Lewis would stay (by signing the extension) I would give up Maggette and one of the first round picks to entice Seattle to do the deal. We missed out on Iverson...we got to get someone significant that can help the team. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 22, 2006 - 11:19 AM PST
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| Benoit, we could also offer them Rebraca's expiring contract that they could use next summer to free up space to sign someone, and giving up that contract frees up a little more money for an extension for Rashard. I guess maybe we are just dreaming here right? But Seattle isn't the greatest place to play. The team has been up for sale, problems over getting a new arena, and possibly moving the team. Add to that the financial constraints that Seattle has always had, and maybe Rashard will signal "I'm gone, so you might as well get something for me now." Maggette is a bargain for them at 7Mil. Add to that a first rounder and an expiring contract and we have a possible deal. A dream come true. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 22, 2006 - 06:53 PM PST
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Bad news for our dreams...Rashard is out at least two months with a hand injury! There goes one of our shooters. Maybe now the Sonics will decide to go in the rebuilding mode and try to get rid of Ray Allen. Doubtful, but we can be hopeful I guess. Paul Pierce is out for a couple weeks with a foot injury. I don't know where help is going to come from.
I'm kind of worried that Dunleavy is going to try to get his son here. I'm not a big fan of little Mike, but maybe playing for a different team, he'd be better. But I wouldn't give up Maggette for Dunleavy alone. If the Warriors were to offer Dunleavy and Pietrus for Maggette and Korolev, then I'd think about that deal.
I think the darkhorse in all this is going to be Ron Artest. Not only is he feuding with Mike Bibby, but he's starting to come up with mysterious injuries that take him out of games. Last night, he was a last minute scratch because of sore knees. He's clearly not happy in Sacramento, and while it would be a gamble to bring him to the Clippers, it would be interesting. And all it would cost is Maggette, who is already unhappy here and on his way out. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 23, 2006 - 09:50 AM PST
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| Well, besides needing an outside shooter, our next biggest glaring need is a return to playing defense. Artest really helps in this area. My reasoning for getting rid of Maggette has never een about his game, but rather that he was hurt so much. I like him better than Dumleavy does. He has been one of our leading scorers every night lately so you can't blame him for the losses. His shooting percentage has been good and he is, as usual, getting to the line a lot where he knocks most of them down. Without the injury bug I am fine with keeping him. But this doesn't resolve our need for someone who can knock down 3's. A 3 point shooter who can play D, what a dream for Christmas. JamFan |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 23, 2006 - 10:42 AM PST
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| I cant figure it out really, because we played such good D last year, but this year it's not the same. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 23, 2006 - 05:09 PM PST
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| The Clippers do have 3 point shooters (Mobley, Thomas, Cassell and to some extent Maggette) - they just aren't making them right now. The Clippers also do have good defenders but they're just not making the stops at this point. So you'd think it's probably something *mental*. Maybe Dunleavy needs to just give the players a little more freedom and to do what they do. Heck if you're open for a J- go ahead and take it even if it's early in the shot clock. If you're on a fast break and you have a open shot, go ahead and shoot it. Maybe guys just need to play more loose and relaxed. Guys need to reaffirm their identity on the team- i.e. "I'm the long-range specialist", "I'm the defensive stopper", "I'm the leader of the team". Then just go out and play- the talent level is such that if the players just go out there and do their thing- do what's made them successful in the past, the net result should be positive. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 23, 2006 - 09:16 PM PST
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| Interesting Perspective David. That may be it. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 29, 2006 - 06:08 PM PST
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I think you guys hit the nail on the head. A lot of people (myself included) point out things like lack of chemistry, poor outside shooting, underachieving players, ect. but I think the biggest reason for the Clipper's slump is a lack of emphasis on defense. This is also something that sports columnists and Clipper commentators fail to point out. If you just look at the Clippers the past two years, they were an outstanding defensive team. They were holding teams to FG%'s in the low 40s and even held Charlotte to a record breaking points scored in a half last year.
I think if you compare the numbers defensively from this year to the last, that's the difference maker. So really, Coach needs to get his players playing defense before he even has to worry about how many 3's they make. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 29, 2006 - 07:58 PM PST
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| The shooter we really need is........hmmmmm..........Ok, I give up. We have all talked about just everybody who might be avaialable. No sense talking about players who are even rumored being available in a trade. Hey, we own the rights to Guillermo Diaz whom we shipped overseas, and at last report he was shooting something like 69% and 54% from the 3 as a starting guard in the Euro league. What do we have to lost by bring him over. |
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Post subject: RE: The "shooter" we really need is?
Posted: Dec 30, 2006 - 12:11 AM PST
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Diaz is playing in a euro league (the czech league) but he's not playing in the Euroleague (where only play the best teams in Europe)...I supose that in America you can't understand this competition system but here in Europe many things are different...I'll try to explain me:every country has his own league with 18-20 teams (there's the Spanish league:ACB,Italian league:Lega, the Greek league,etc...) The level of the league depends on the country:ACB is considered the most important league after NBA while the Czech league is one of the worst from whole Europe...Here are playing names like Santiago (exBucks), Fizer(bulls),Borchardt(utah),bradley(raptors),charles smith (blazers)...Then there's a parallel league called Euroleague where only play the best teams from each country...Depending on the level of the league the country has more or less teams representing his country...The teams that participate in Euroleague change "every year" depending on last season's standings in the league of your own country.In Spain we have 4 teams playing Euroleague, the same as Italian, in Greece I think they have 3, in Russia 2,etc...(the Czech league has no any team).So there are teams playing two competitions at the same time...It is possible because the national league of each country is only played on weekends then the teams that have Euroleague games can play on wednesdays or thursdays...
With this long explanation about the basketball system here in Europe I only want to prevent you that many of the reports you can read around the net about euro basketball are suspicious because I'm sure there are many american reporters that don't know te real system...Diaz can be playing at a high level but you must remember where he's playing and you can ask yourself why has he chosen to play in one of the worst leagues in Euro instead of playing in a more difficult competition...Good question |
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