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http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/arti ... 002e0.html

I thiink its thesecond line from the bottom. I dont think it has any weight to it but it was out there today and figured it would start some talking

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I would absolutely love Tayshaun on the squad. I've liked him since he was a rookie in Detroit. His all around game, leadership and freaky good defense at times is great. Not to mention he's only 30. Thing is he should be picked up but not as THE solution. More of a good bench player type or last resort. We need a high caliber SF to start probably. Then again you never know how things will come together on the court. For all we know someone like Battier or Prince will produce more wins than let's say Granger or Gay despite what the numbers say. Sometimes it's not about having a ton of talent but how the talent meshes.

Also people probably don't know this last season he put up very solid numbers as usual with 14 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 apg on 47 percent shooting from the field and 35 percent from deep. The guy is a baller for sure. Those numbers are plenty for what we need if he can maintain that level of play.

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I like the idea of Prince too.. If you look at his career numbers this year was statistically one of his best.. If he can put up 14 and 5 and offer good defense im totally fine on bringing him in. Throw a few extra rebounds on there and he is perfect for us... and hes only played 8 seasons..

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Yup I agree. Plus with his style of play being more based on his length advantage, fundamentals and instincts he definitely can play at a solid-high level till 35. He's a poor man's Durant on offense. Meaning he's not in any risk for injuries or too much wear on his body because he does his damage on the perimeter. Honestly... maybe it's because Gomes set the bar so damn low and me being a fan of Prince but I get excited thinking about this lol. If we can't grab Iggy, Gay, Granger or Josh Smith... we definitely need Prince or Battier. That will give us a capable starter for now till Aminu is ready or under we grab Harrison Barnes next season. Allow our young fellas to improve without forcing them into heavy minutes.

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Beat me to it:) I had been trying to post this but Hoopshype was locking up.

I think Prince would be a great fit, great defender, decent outside shooter and has a lot of playoff experience.

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He was such a valuable piece in the Pistons championship too. Beyond playoff experience the guy knows how to play in the finals. His defense was electrifying in the Pistons peak years of the 00' decade.

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plus i think he would be a great mentor to Aminu.

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I would absolutely love Tayshaun on the squad. I've liked him since he was a rookie in Detroit. His all around game, leadership and freaky good defense at times is great. Not to mention he's only 30. Thing is he should be picked up but not as THE solution. More of a good bench player type or last resort. We need a high caliber SF to start probably. Then again you never know how things will come together on the court. For all we know someone like Battier or Prince will produce more wins than let's say Granger or Gay despite what the numbers say. Sometimes it's not about having a ton of talent but how the talent meshes.

Also people probably don't know this last season he put up very solid numbers as usual with 14 ppg, 4 rpg, 3 apg on 47 percent shooting from the field and 35 percent from deep. The guy is a baller for sure. Those numbers are plenty for what we need if he can maintain that level of play.

plus i think he would be a great mentor to Aminu.

Agree 100 percent. I've always said Aminu is a Deng/Tayshaun 2.0 when it comes to playstyle, potential and build. Let's hope this happens.

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Thinking about it, I think prince is my #1 choice for this offseason.

A) Its realistic

B) We keep Kaman and have a great front court

C) We keep the Twolves pick

D) He isnt a star that will take the spot light away from griffin and gordon.

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Jered.. at that point we may have too much talent to manage if that even makes sense. In 2012 if we grab a great rookie... we eventually have to lose somebody. Can't afford all the young talent.

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BTW not disagreeing. Just saying we will be so loaded we will have the problem of really deep teams. Which will be... where do we play this guy? Who gets the minutes? ETC. More managing of egos than ever before.

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If that means, making the playoffs, then bring that problem on:)

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clipperboy24 wrote:
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BTW not disagreeing. Just saying we will be so loaded we will have the problem of really deep teams. Which will be... where do we play this guy? Who gets the minutes? ETC. More managing of egos than ever before.

If that means, making the playoffs, then bring that problem on:)

For sure Very Happy

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yea id love to have the problem of having too much depth... especially if it turns out to be wing depth. By 2012 Kaman will be off the books to free up money to sign people.. a prince deal doesnt have to be expensive

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Prince seems like the ideal player that our FO has been talking about getting. He has plenty of playoff experience (proven winner at that), is a good locker room presence, has the urge to want to win, plays solid D, and can knock down the open 3.

Think that would be an amazing acquisition and we would still have our 2 second round picks this year to snag depth (back-up PF and I say back-up SG) and our minny pick next year. With our minny pick we could get our PG of the future (maybe Austin Rivers, not so sure if he has pg instincts tho because I have not seen him play - only highlights, but the kid already looks like a Stephen Curry type player and he's going to be playing for coach K).

I think having Tayshaun for 3-5 years (with team option on the last year) and AFA would solidify our SF position for a bit. I like bledsoe, but don't see him as anything more than a back-up pg and a energy guy off the bench. Anyways, I hope there is some truth to Prince at least being open to the idea of playing for the Clippers. Perfect guy to surround our core around!

Get'r done Olshey!

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^id say still go for a SF in next years draft since thats whats it heaviest on. Some of the players that likely might come out next year have HUGE potential to be stars...Wing depth is never a bad thing especially if the player is able to play 2 or even 3 positions.

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if we get TP then we get flexibility with the minny pick. As everyone is assuming that it is gonna be the #1 overall, i'm just gonna say that even if the wolves do have the worst record next year, there is still a whopping 75% chance that we DONT get the first overall. whatever we land as we'll be able to take the best available talent, not that we wouldn't be able to if we got some of the other SF we've been talking about, but then we might be more inclined to get a big man to go into the three man rotation with Blake and DJ

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i agree with you guys, i think Prince would be a great pickup - veteran leadership, great experience, great personality, fits the role we need, as well as keeping the minny pick, kaman and great flexibility

take a look at this video from nba.com

its about Tayshaun's 10/11 season

http://www.nba.com/video/teams/pistons/ ... index.html

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My bad everyone not quite sure what the rules are, but could we sign Tayshaun right now if we wanted too? Or is there like a deadline that passes when you can start signing guys?

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im pretty sure we have to wait till july 1st to start talking, and july 7th or 8th is when we can actually sign.

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and since the cba exprires July 1st as well there is no telling when we will actually be able to start talking to players and sign them

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Boy, if we can also trade for Iggy, how would this sound?

Iggy/Prince/Aminu.

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Perfect thanks guys! I think if we don't make any trades soon then we probably already have a verbal agreement from an FA that wants to sign here. Olshey is a well spoken representative for the Clippers organization and I am sure he can lure someone in, especially now that Blake Griffin has established to already be one of the most unstoppable players in the league.

Superstars (like Blake Griffin) such as Lebron, Durant, and Rose (although he went to a more premiere ball club) get their teams to the playoffs. A good FA, if bright enough, can put two and two together and notice that Mo Williams, Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon, DJ, and Kaman alone are a good core to surround themselves to ensure a playoff run. It is clear that we just need a productive/smart SF and hopefully we get Prince because he fits that bill. And we also have AFA + EB who both show a lot of promise off the bench.

Go Clippers! I am really excited about this upcoming season and hopefully they get the lockout situation taken cared of by the start of season because I wanna see an 82 game season! Very Happy

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Tayshaun would be a a very nice pickup for us. I'm not sure if I would pay him more than $7/mil a year though just because he is getting into his 30's.

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i like prince.. would be able to teach aminu and can play about 35 min a game and let aminu with about 12 min....

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yea his numbers show that he is still playing at his peak... he could have a lot of Grant hill style late career energy to make him play thru his 30s.. he doesnt take a huge beatingwhen he plays

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
clipperboy24 wrote:
Beat me to it:) I had been trying to post this but Hoopshype was locking up.

I think Prince would be a great fit, great defender, decent outside shooter and has a lot of playoff experience.

He was such a valuable piece in the Pistons championship too. Beyond playoff experience the guy knows how to play in the finals. His defense was electrifying in the Pistons peak years of the 00' decade.

Definitely agree, and he may be a possibility since the Pistons organization doesn't really have players his age on the team he may not be in the future plans of that organization. Billups, Wallace, and a few other guys from that four eastern conference championship game run have long gone, and I see Tayshaun leaving pretty soon too

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I like T. Prince. I just hope that's not our main off-season move.

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Simple and concise...

Great post!

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Prince would be a nice choice, provided the FO believes that AFA will be a player... If the FO genuinely believes in AFA then a two-year rental of a high quality veteran is the move to make to give AFA time to develope. I think they had that plan with Gomes, but Gomes isn't much of a player. There is a reason he's played his career for losers.

If management trades Kaman and comes up with Iggy or some other young star-level player, that means they have zero belief in AFA...

I'm on the fence about AFA. I thought he was disappointing as a rookie, but he's still young... Why not bring in a two-year guy and defer the final answer until we know more. Add to that, the Minny pick could provide instant relief at the position.

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I think getting Prince for a 2 year rental is ok, provided we make another move. I would like us to make a push for a top tier PG. Although I like EB as an eventual starter, PG is a much more significant position in the grand scheme of things. If we could land say CP3 and Okafor for Kaman,Mo and the minny pick, I would be ok with AFA as the starter and stomach Gomes coming off the bench. I'm just not sold on Iggy taking us to the next level. I also do not believe Mo will either.

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He's 31 and he knows this is his last real significant contact, so he probably wants to cash in on a 4 year deal or so.

That being said, it's a risk on a guy that is NOT a huge difference maker or huge upgrade.

So my opinion is, if the contract is in the 6 mil range the clippers should jump on it.

Is there maybe a sign and trade possbility with Kaman, Kaman can play in his home state of Michigan and go shooting, fishing and arrow hunting all he wants instead of getting his body into shape.

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He's still a starter, and if we get him on a 2-4 year deal he can start 2-3 of those years while we bring Aminu along, or we draft a better SF with that Minnesota pick next year. He'll eat the rest of our cap space, but we'd be able to keep Kaman, keep that Minnesota pick and re-sign DeAndre Jordan.

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14 ppg, 4 rpg and 3 apg or w/e is hardly a high risk player, especially considering he won't be had for an expensive deal. He's actually a low risk option IMO. He's been a baller and hard worker his entire career. He did just turn 31 but with his playstyle.. he's good till 34-35 at least.

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Exactly.

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so what happens with gomes??? we get rid of him?

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does anyone actually care what happens to him? trade him for a basketball to practice with.. it can even be one of those crappy rubber balls...

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Yeah. I hate to sound harsh, but if we upgrade at the SF position, I'm really not going to be worried about what happens to Gomes . . . and I was one of his defenders during most of the season. I will welcome dealing with that problem if it arises.

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Gomes is in an odd place. He's the sort of journeyman talent that teams can pick up off the waiver wire, or late in the free agent game any time they want. I don't think anyone would care if they have Ryan Gomes locked up for the next two years. I suspect most teams would rather not have him locked up.

The result, he's not really a tradeable commodity who will bring value. When a player like him gets traded, it's usually to round out a deal to balance the trade for cap purposes.

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We all know Gomes had a pretty bad year...but does anybody here have any hope for him? I mean, he's generally a better shooter, rebounder, scorer...if you look at his career stats, this year was clearly an anomaly. Part of it may be because he was just playing too much, and part of it could just be that he was in a funk. If it's the latter, it's something that he may just snap out of, considering his track record shows he is generally a solid player. If it's the former, maybe he just needs to be relegated to a bench role where he plays like 25 minutes a game. I think it's a combination of both things, where if we bring in a guy like Prince, Gomes can come off the bench in a smaller role, and hopefully revert to his old form, and be a solid player for us.

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^^^ Were it not for the fact we have Aminu, I'd be all for keeping Gomes as a back up. I think he'd be pretty decent as a reserve given that he's a decent defender and overall smart player. However, if we get someone that clearly is better than Gomes, like Prince, I think the team would be much better served in the long-run by giving 25 minutes a game to AFA. If we get a better starter, I just don't see a real place for Gomes. But he's not very tradeable, so he could end up being the 3rd string SF.

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Gomes= 4mil ayear for a 3rd stringer. That's crazy as hell. This is kinda what I meant when I said the jury is still out on this FO. Gomes was cut by portland right before we gave him that contract. Real BS

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not that crazy.... every team has a player that is over paid and barley plays.. well almost every team...

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Greenmonk94 wrote:
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Gomes= 4mil ayear for a 3rd stringer. That's crazy as hell. This is kinda what I meant when I said the jury is still out on this FO. Gomes was cut by portland right before we gave him that contract. Real BS

not that crazy.... every team has a player that is over paid and barley plays.. well almost every team...

every good team has a player that would be easily a productive 2nd stringer as a third stringer and a starter that is a second string guy. And 4 mil is not a bad contract. I have no idea how u come to that being a bad contract. That is like saying well joe johnson is a good contract... just not gonna happen.

This FO has actually been smarter with their money and their approach than others in the past... the jury isnt out yet but so far this FO surpasses elgin by far just based on neil being able to actually have some sort of plan... then again im not giving elgin the benefit of the doubt because he didnt have internet and many interviews

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My problem with the acquisition of Gomes, Foye, and Cook was that all three were career journeymen. All fans knew that these signings would not equate to any wins whatsoever. The minute the signings were made we should have known that the plyoffs were no where in sight.

That being established we had drafted three rookies: Eric Bledsoe, Al Farouq Aminu, and Willie Warren. The plan should have been to give the kids (with the exception of Warren) as much playing time as possible so that they could learn the game and gel with their new team mates. Yet, this did not happen we let Gomes, Foye and Cook play too much and that took away time from the kids. The front office could have saved itself some cash by not picking up these guys and just letting the kids start anyway. Once you are out of the plyoffs and deal away your draft pick then the only positive left of a season is young player develoment, which we certainly didn't manage well either

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Much like Iguodala, PRince does not do one thing spectacularly well, but he does contribute in multiple areas. CF86, the numbers you pointed out will help this club tremendously. 14 PPG would be adequate since Griffin and Gordon are our primary scorers, but where Tayshaun will be very valuable will be with the 4RPG and 3APG he contributes. He may even be able to contribute more APG since he has Griffin, Kaman, DJ, and Gordon to dish it out to. Lastly, his defensive contribution is what we sorely need. I only wish we had hired a more defensive minded coach like Thibodeau to help bring out a more defensive character to this club

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I was a big advocate of moving Kaman for Prince last summer but today I would be a disappointed if he was our big acquisition at the 3. He's not too old for most of the teams in the league but for us he's a short term solution and it puts a lot of stock in the hope that Aminu turns into a player in 2 years.

The big positive of signing Tay after the lockout is that he'll be relatively cheap and we don't have to trade anybody to get him. In theory, we'd still have a serious package to offer (Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe, Minny Pick, hopefully it doesn't take all 4 to get it done) to get CP3 or DWill.

Or at the very least it allows us to trade Kaman alone for a position of need in Feb.

But if that doesn't happen it's a cop out. Tay isn't in the same league as Granger, JSmith, or Iggy in regards to fitting with this team today and long term.

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Not much of a rumor with zero sources, so we are talking about squat.

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pageC4 wrote:
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14 ppg, 4 rpg and 3 apg or w/e is hardly a high risk player, especially considering he won't be had for an expensive deal. He's actually a low risk option IMO. He's been a baller and hard worker his entire career. He did just turn 31 but with his playstyle.. he's good till 34-35 at least.

Much like Iguodala, PRince does not do one thing spectacularly well, but he does contribute in multiple areas. CF86, the numbers you pointed out will help this club tremendously. 14 PPG would be adequate since Griffin and Gordon are our primary scorers, but where Tayshaun will be very valuable will be with the 4RPG and 3APG he contributes. He may even be able to contribute more APG since he has Griffin, Kaman, DJ, and Gordon to dish it out to. Lastly, his defensive contribution is what we sorely need. I only wish we had hired a more defensive minded coach like Thibodeau to help bring out a more defensive character to this club

Good post as usual. His defense is definitely his strength. Like you said comparable to Iguodala though older and a bit less talented.

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I think we will be fine in that department. We have one of the best defensive assistant coaches in the league. Plus it takes time and trust in ur teammates to play great defense and that doesnt happen over night. I think thibbs is an awesome coach but I dont think he was as willing to come here because 1) he is not a type to want to change an entire culture and 2) he doesnt want to have to deal with unproven youth (i say unproven cuz noah and rose have proven they can play). Thibbs doesnt want to have to spend time in the gym with each one of his players trying to develop their games (like he would have to do with ebled, farouq, and "fingernail will" [i laughed when they basically announced that was his nickname LOL]

As of right now I feel the coaching staff is exactly what we need. Sure they are not the end all be all that will most likely win us the title but they are great for taking our team out of the gutter and actually making us a formidable team chemistry and culture-wise mainly because they are willing to take the time and put in the effort.

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