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When rumors say they want the clippers to sweeten the deal, they mean throw in one of your rookies from last year...and with the influx of small guards they have they clearly want kaman and Aminu for Iggy and who knows.... maybe they would want a dump Antonio Daniel's, or if were lucky a Nocioni or Darious Songolia

The trade straight up ..Iggy alone for Kaman and Aminu works money wise too

I say get Iggy, and start solidifying there back court with proven players, vets maybe do what successful teams do get a starter free agent this year like a Ray Allen and move a starter as a 6th man role with starter minutes like Manu Ginobli and Dallas's Jason Terry

if Aminu is involved do you want in?

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Interesting proposition, and it would make sense to the Clippers, starting Iguodala and bringing Gomes off the bench. The only problem is Iguodala is Igodala is kinda short for the SF position and Aminu is a giant. I know that size doesn't exactly win games, but we're giving up A LOT of length.

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I would not give up Aminu too. It's too much. AFA will be a very good SF in this league. And I believe sooner than later.

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I like AFA but I am tired of putting our faith in younger players to either have them not grow into who we thought or to leave us when they finally get good. Remember, we could have traded for Deng but management thought, no we will take a gamble in AFA than a sure thing in Deng.

If Aminu is what the trade is contingent on, i would give it the green light.

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I hate Ryan Gomes. He is a terrible basketball player. And if he is our starter at the beginning of the season because Olshey doesn't bend to this ridiculous demand, I'll be thrilled.

Philly already gets the better end of the deal in a straight trade. IMO, we should be the ones asking for a sweetener. Add Speights and their 2011 1st rounder, then maybe I would consider putting Aminu in there.

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I like AFA and i think that if they wanted him i would not do it.. dont forget he is not just a SF. he played alot of PF in college.. he is a great rebounder. im sure we can use him at PF. then maybe put Blake in at C. I just feel like the best possible deal is straight up.. maybe throw in a 2nd rounder.

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i think aminu will be better then igudola in the long run.. but not the passing thow... i think he is a bigger better defender with time to come... igudola is a overpaid player for his defense.. i would of done it straight up for kaman but aminu also is a big nono...

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There's very little chance Philly would do Kaman for Iguodala straight up. (And Sixers fans will go crazy).

Kaman + Aminu for Iguodala is the way we have to go here.

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I like Aminu as much as the next guy but you are talking about keeping him and not getting anything. starting ryan gomes for another year. we still have the 2012 draft pick that many say could get a better SF. IDK... Get Iggy and do good and attract more FA's here or play with who we had last year.. I choose Iggy.

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I think if we keep AFA and focus on getting a TRUE PG, we'd better a lot better off. Under no circumstance Gomes should be our starter next year over Aminu (shouldn't have been last year). A solid PG will definitely make AFA a solid Sf in my opinion.

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Yeah I'd give up Kaman and AFA for Iggy. That's a fair deal.

AFA reminds me of Darius Miles in that I don't think he has the BBIQ to ever be a great player. He has the athleticism to do it, but I don't think he will ever get there, and will remain a role player for most of his career because of it.

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Aminu and Kaman for Iggy and Philly's 1st round pick next year or Meeks...I like that!

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Holding onto Aminu at this point (especially to prevent this trade) would be stupid. I don't dislike the guy and I'm sure he will grow into a pretty decent player but as of right now we could essentially trade Kaman and AFA for Iguodala while still having our core in place with two first round picks in a deep 2012 draft.

I don't think we would miss Aminu in the slightest.

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Sign Prince and call the off-season a success.

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AFA and kaman for iggy is a fair trade. A fair trade does hurt a little but I think it would benefit us more in getting iggy.

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I hope that Philly will budge on their demands of more than Kaman, but if it takes AFA being thrown in that's the price you have to pay. I'm under the impression that Iggy could very well be the piece that completes the starting unit. I do think Aminu can become a good player, but to say he will easily surpass Iggy in the coming years is extremely disrespectful to how good Iggy is and has been for quite some time. By the way does anybody remember the Nike hyperize commercial from last year? It featured Mo,Iggy,Durant and Rashard Lewis rapping, when I rewatched it recently what caught my eye was the nickname given to Iggy in that commercial was "chief stopper." Id like to keep Aminu but if so that nickname for Iggy will have quite the double meaning.

BTW I would love to admire Ray Allen's smooth stroke for a full season, but he recently picked up his player option so that's not going to happen

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Iggy is a very good player, but not the caliber of player that would require an all-star center(possibly top 5 in the league) plus last years 8th pick. Throw in that he's overpaid. I think the FO would be foolish to fall for Philly's bluff.

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Ive been on this board a long time, and I've bashed on Kaman on many many occasions. There are many veteran users that can show for that. HOWEVER, I do NOT think Kaman for Igudala is a great deal for us. Let alone AFA and Kaman... Igudala is great and may be what we need, but his contract is ugly, his vastly overrated, not a grear shooter, and theres the issue of chemistry.

Therefore I do not wholeheartedly approve of this trade.

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No way. I don't think AI even makes us that much better. I'd rather keep Kaman. It's better to have a warm body at the center position even if he isn't the greatest, then an overpaid defensive specialist. then they want us to throw in Aminu??? Aminu might have much promise and I wouldn't give him up just because Philedelphia wont budge. In fact, I wouldn't even do the trade straight up for Kaman. We could just sign Prince and get the defense we need and wait for Aminu to mature.

Who is really ready for the NBA at twenty anyway???

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i think Kaman and Gomes wold be better for us and they should be willing to take it. why? obviously no one here likes gome and his contract off our books would make taking on iggy much more manageable. why wold they do it? because they get another body, who when not having the worst season a basketball player has ever seen, can defend and be a decent bench player. They also get their C and Kaman seems like he is already accepting the fact that he cold end up in philly, making it likely he would resign.

Kaman and gomes. deal. kaman and aminu, no deal.

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^ not a terrible idea.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ct2sz2

if they REALLY want a sweetener, than we'd be willing to take back one of their bad contracts, that's enough of a sweetener for philly, if you ask me.

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TRADE AMINU DO IT! Not like he helped out for more than a couple weeks early in the season anyways.

Who cares what AFA WILL be in like 5 years, he may not even be with the team! Iggy is a solid all around player and there's no better SF thats like him in the league other than Lebron James. People keep forgetting we have that Minnesota draft pick, and before all the people from this years draft decided to play 1 more year in the NCAA ( Harrison Barnes, Sullinger etc ) 8 of the TOP 10 prospects in next years draft were small forwards. That pick is going to be top 10 easy, and a great chance at top 5. We can get a player thats twice what AFA is right now if we want.

We either stick with Kaman and lose him at years end or try to trade him for some crap players next year during the season, or we add in Aminu, who honestly wouldn't get much playing time with Iggy getting 35+ minutes a game at SF/SG and we pull the trigger and get a great starter to fill this.

I'm really sick and tired of the whiners here. Everyone wants more more more or someone else. If they ask for Aminu who cares, Turner will be starting for them at SF or SG anyways, Aminu will be a BENCH player and thats what he probably will be his entire career.

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What about Iggys knee problems that will get worse over time?

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+1

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If they want Aminu, then they need to include Speights IMO

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Of course if the clips could include Gomes instead of Aminu this would be ideal, but if Philly feels they need a sweetener on top of Kaman how would Gomes fit this description?

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a sweetener as in a replacement SF who can come off the bench behind turner or young. Aminu wouldnt be ahead of either of them on the roster. Also his contract is only two years so if they didnt like what they got out of him (there is no way he stays as bad as he has been) then they have an expiring or wait him out and he will be done.

That is sweetener compared to having nothing, and he is still relatively young.

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Yeah sure they can have Aminu if they're willing to give us Thaddeus Young or Spencer Hawes. Well preferably Thaddeus Young. Kaman for Iggy straight up is a very fair deal- actually maybe not fare enough for the Clippers, especially considering the massive amount of $ still left on Iggy's contract.

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I'd sweeten it a little more and take back Nocioni like CTown suggested. Kaman/Gomes for Iggy/Nocioni.

He's way overpaid but would actually be somewhat helpful on our roster.

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You are wise.

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I think all philly needs right now is a salary dump.. cause imagine, kaman's an expiring, so that's a positive for them. if they give us kaman for iggy, they'll have a starting lineup of holiday, turner, young, brand, and kaman. that's a team that can possibly finish in the top 4, ( given that brand and kaman stay healthy, and turner gets better) and get to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

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^easy easy easy... which teamS do you think that this line up of 76ers is better than? CHI BOS NY MIA ORL ATL?

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boston is done for, kaman and brand can easily dominate the post against NY, orlando has howard only, and seems like they're going downhill... brand/kaman is a bigger and stronger frontcourt duo than horford/smith... again, most of it depends on how holiday and turner develop. if turner has a breakout season ( which is very possible) then they can be a top 4 team.

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is everyone giving up on Aminu already? i am sort of lol

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If you ask Philly fans, none of them want Kaman, and it's mostly because it's a 1 year deal and they think he won't be signed longer term, and they are not even sure they would want to given his injury history. So they view it as a salary dump of their best player for essentially nothing. They think they can do better than that, like with Ellis. Without Aminu, I don't think the team could sell the trade to the fans very well. And that impacts their revenue.

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Horrible knee problems, he's missed 21 TOTAL games over 7 years in the NBA. His knee problems are massively horrible, its like were trading for Greg Oden here.

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I say send Aminu over there if they want him too. Getting rid of Kaman is good no matter how you look at it because I am tired of him always sucking and being praised the 1 or 2 games he does not suck. In a season, he normally contributes heavily to like 1 or 2 wins, besides that he is always making mistakes I thought he would stop making like 4 years ago.

Aminu we can afford to lose too. He does nothing. He never impacted a game heavily in any way and even if Igoudala ends up being an injury bust, we are still left with Gomes and Moon (which is pretty much where we were at the beggining before the trade cause Aminu sucks so Jamario and Gomes would be getting the playing time)

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Taylor wrote:
RLB1968 wrote:
What about Iggys knee problems that will get worse over time?

Horrible knee problems, he's missed 21 TOTAL games over 7 years in the NBA. His knee problems are massively horrible, its like were trading for Greg Oden here.

Idd, and we're giving up Kaman here, we should be the ones worrying about injuries indeed.

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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep ... ne-10.html

Here's a chat with 76ers beat writer Kate Fagan. It's a pretty good chat with Kaman stuff near the beginning. Doesn't sound like she or the 76ers think much of Kaman.

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We don't know what Aminu's ceiling will be, but I'm reminded of a small forawrd we drafted a few years ago by the name of Al Thornton. In his rookie year he posted up about 12PPG and he went on to be traded. Aminu came nowhere close to achieving those same numbers his rookie year. The front office should really consider adding Aminu or Willie Warren to the pot if Kaman alone will not get the job done, but nothing else should even be considered. Bledsoe should not be on the proposal for a trade

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Exactly!

A bluff is all it is. I like Olshey's attitude so far. Other teams are fully aware that we desperately need a SF, and they're salivating at the thought of getting their hands on our developing young players.

We are going to get offers/requests for Bledsoe too, but I think the F.O. is doing the right thing by not mortgaging the future. If the Iggy deal doesn't happen straight up... fine!

We have other options - Philly, not so much.

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cleepers wrote:
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Iggy is a very good player, but not the caliber of player that would require an all-star center(possibly top 5 in the league) plus last years 8th pick. Throw in that he's overpaid. I think the FO would be foolish to fall for Philly's bluff.

Exactly!

A bluff is all it is. I like Olshey's attitude so far. Other teams are fully aware that we desperately need a SF, and they're salivating at the thought of getting their hands on our developing young players.

We are going to get offers/requests for Bledsoe too, but I think the F.O. is doing the right thing by not mortgaging the future. If the Iggy deal doesn't happen straight up... fine!

We have other options - Philly, not so much.

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I like Kaman a lot (have been one of his biggest supporters) but honestly we dont have a lot of options. I dont really know if Gay is available and him and Iggy are pretty comparable but Iggy makes less plays better D a much better facilitator and worse shooters and scorer.

Prince would be fine, but the thought of a younger SF and especially someone who facilitates, plays great D and is a good rebounder like Iggy makes me so excited. Kaman is good but his value is very low with his injury problems and inconsistent play as of late.

A lot of people on this forum are heavily overvaluing Kaman and honestly it doesnt matter if someone was selected 8th, 20th or 1st overall it just matters what their value is now. No one in their right mind would have turned down Kandi man for Vince Carter after year one Even though Kandi was the first pick and Carter the 5th pick, those pick values are sunk costs, cannot be replaced and anyone who adds that in as value isnt properly evaluating the asset they hold, so using the argument that Aminu was the 8th pick is weightless. It just matters if he is worth holding onto more than having Iggy. IMO the picture is clear cut.

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It's funny to hear about how no one in Philly want anything to do with Kaman. Of course they don't. He is an underrated, fundamentally-sound player who only gets attention for being a funny looking redneck who doesn't have any flashy skills and makes too much money. Plus it's never easy to look forward to a kind of salary dump like Philly is trying to do. I don't blame them for not being stoked about this idea, but it may be what they need to do.

I don't know why I never thought about trading Gomes instead of Aminu but I think I may like that idea more. I'm not sure. We have no idea what AFA will turn into down the road but I also don't know if he will be a better option down the road than Gomes as a backup SF because clearly that's a better role for him. Aminu was extremely inconsistent last season but we have no idea if it's just being a young rookie or if it's ineptitude. Truth be told I'm not extremely excited about trading Kaman but I think this is one of the types of moves we have to be willing to make if we're ready to make the jump into the next level of the NBA.

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We want to get a SF like Iggy if we can give up what we want to give up and keep our core. Kaman, to injured, not athletic enough for the new direction of this team. Aminu, may never be the complete SF, can't shoot from the outside. Gomes and Warren, enough said. But if we have to give up our core I say no. I would rather sign Prince for a coule of years and draft one of the stud SF's in the 2012 draft.

BTW...Iggy went for 16ppg, 5rpg, 7apg with a 22EFF. Named to the All Defensive Second team, which means the NBA says he is one of the top 10 defenders in the league. He was second only to Lebron in assists at SF. 10th overall in the league in assist to turnover ratio and he isn't even a PG. So......he may not be perfect for some of your guys, but he does bring a lot to the table. So if you are saying no, then tell us what other team is going to trade us a better SF for Kaman and a throw in. Come on now, just tell us. Who?

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pageC4 wrote:
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I like AFA but I am tired of putting our faith in younger players to either have them not grow into who we thought or to leave us when they finally get good. Remember, we could have traded for Deng but management thought, no we will take a gamble in AFA than a sure thing in Deng.

If Aminu is what the trade is contingent on, i would give it the green light.

We don't know what Aminu's ceiling will be, but I'm reminded of a small forawrd we drafted a few years ago by the name of Al Thornton. In his rookie year he posted up about 12PPG and he went on to be traded. Aminu came nowhere close to achieving those same numbers his rookie year. The front office should really consider adding Aminu or Willie Warren to the pot if Kaman alone will not get the job done, but nothing else should even be considered. Bledsoe should not be on the proposal for a trade

Dude wait until Aminu is 23 years old before you compare him to Al. Rouq was one of the youngest guys in the whole league last year, Al was one of the oldest guys drafted that year. He was already at his ceiling, Rouq is just figuring it out. Kid has crazy athleticism, far surpassing Al. Much more potential there and I would not want to throw it away after one season.

Willie they can have. He's probably going to be a poor man's Randy Foye. And that's a very poor man.

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I think it is very telling that nobody outside of Clipperland knows how 'good' Chris Kaman really is especially after 8 seasons.

I mean so many GMs would jump all over a chance to get Jordan over Kaman, yet some here think that Kaman is worth Iggy straight up...

Iggy wins more games for his team period, and statistics is the only thing that would make it look close for Kaman. We really don't want to factor BBIQ, the thing we see up close and personal with him...this factor IMO, is what really destroys Chris' value because he does have skill.

It will take at least Kaman and Aminu to get Iggy, so think some should brace themselves if they think Kaman is better/worth Iggy, or even percieve to be by anyone else in the basketball community other than Clipper fans.

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OptimusDimes wrote:
SDclipper wrote:
It's funny to hear about how no one in Philly want anything to do with Kaman. Of course they don't. He is an underrated, fundamentally-sound player who only gets attention for being a funny looking redneck who doesn't have any flashy skills and makes too much money.

I think it is very telling that nobody outside of Clipperland knows how 'good' Chris Kaman really is especially after 8 seasons.

I mean so many GMs would jump all over a chance to get Jordan over Kaman, yet some here think that Kaman is worth Iggy straight up...

Iggy wins more games for his team period, and statistics is the only thing that would make it look close for Kaman. We really don't want to factor BBIQ, the thing we see up close and personal with him...this factor IMO, is what really destroys Chris' value because he does have skill.

It will take at least Kaman and Aminu to get Iggy, so think some should brace themselves if they think Kaman is better/worth Iggy, or even percieve to be by anyone else in the basketball community other than Clipper fans.

+1.....Kaman's an C+ center at best.......when he's on the court...and his history shows that's been a problem.

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Just give up BG, EB and AA to the Lakers for KB and then 95% of us won't have to listen to this anymore, because we'll all become Laker fans.

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TheDude wrote:
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I like AFA but I am tired of putting our faith in younger players to either have them not grow into who we thought or to leave us when they finally get good. Remember, we could have traded for Deng but management thought, no we will take a gamble in AFA than a sure thing in Deng.

If Aminu is what the trade is contingent on, i would give it the green light.

We don't know what Aminu's ceiling will be, but I'm reminded of a small forawrd we drafted a few years ago by the name of Al Thornton. In his rookie year he posted up about 12PPG and he went on to be traded. Aminu came nowhere close to achieving those same numbers his rookie year. The front office should really consider adding Aminu or Willie Warren to the pot if Kaman alone will not get the job done, but nothing else should even be considered. Bledsoe should not be on the proposal for a trade

Dude wait until Aminu is 23 years old before you compare him to Al. Rouq was one of the youngest guys in the whole league last year, Al was one of the oldest guys drafted that year. He was already at his ceiling, Rouq is just figuring it out. Kid has crazy athleticism, far surpassing Al. Much more potential there and I would not want to throw it away after one season.

Willie they can have. He's probably going to be a poor man's Randy Foye. And that's a very poor man.

reality check: no one wants willie warren. He is a poor man's lionel chalmers, lol.

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