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ekker3
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stats, stats, stats. this is all ive gotta say:

  1. dwayne wade

  2. kobe bryant

  3. eric gordon

  4. manu ginobili

  5. joe johnson

  6. kevin martin

he's top 5 at the worst. AND ALL THIS with the offense never having been run through him. RESPECT.

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You're a joke. I laughed as soon I saw your avatar. I swear I woke up this morning thinking you'd show up just to try and get into someone's business. In fact, the USUAL SUSPECTS did. You're too predictable.

You remind me of Arsenio Hall in the shootout scene of Harlem Nights. You just came in to pop the last cap. Look it up, it's hilarious.

Looks like someone woke up in a miserable mood. I'll be your huckleberry...Keep it it.

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A joke?

What is a joke is you bashing on our 2nd best player after defending Baron Davis' atrocious performances for 3 seasons!

You're a joke. I laughed as soon I saw your avatar. I swear I woke up this morning thinking you'd show up just to try and get into someone's business. In fact, the USUAL SUSPECTS did. You're too predictable.

You remind me of Arsenio Hall in the shootout scene of Harlem Nights. You just came in to pop the last cap. Look it up, it's hilarious.

Looks like someone woke up in a miserable mood. I'll be your huckleberry...Keep it it.

I quote Monty Python - You quote Harlem nights...

Our taste in movies alone will show people who the joke is!

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Don't flatter yourself, posting a link of a movie doesn't add any IQ points. lol

If this was a movie forum, I'd agree...Actually, I wouldn't. But if that makes you walk away thinking you're more culturally enriched , so be it.

You're too funny, I bet you thought you'd score points quoting, using a monty python skit. lol

Where I come from, that is what we call trying too hard. We laughed at people for stuff like that. Good going, M8! lol

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^ 'tis but a scratch, right!

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Eric Gordon is a valuable asset to this team. He is our second best player and should be resigned. Any player capable of averaging 22.3 PPG, 2.90 RPG, 4.4 APG, and an EFF of + 18.04 is a very good player worthy of a starters position and an all star nod. I am very pleased with EJ, and we should all keep in mind that he plays tthe shooting guard position, not the point guard. His job is not to distribute, yet he does anyway...4.4 APG is very good. I only hope we resing him for the long haul.

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fellas, ease up!

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clipper*joe wrote:
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I quote Monty Python - You quote Harlem nights...

Our taste in movies alone will show people who the joke is!

Don't flatter yourself, posting a link of a movie doesn't add any IQ points. lol

If this was a movie forum, I'd agree...Actually, I wouldn't. But if that makes you walk away thinking you're more culturally enriched , so be it.

You're too funny, I bet you thought you'd score points quoting, using a monty python skit. lol

Where I come from, that is what we call trying too hard. We laughed at people for stuff like that. Good going, M8! lol

I hardly post but one thing I have noticed is that you're far too sensitive. Holy crap man it gets annoying reading your posts/replies.

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No problem, Ekker. Just responding to being called 'a joke' out of nowhere.

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'tis but a scratch, right?!

I'm sure that's what you wanted to say. And yes, I know, Monty Python again.

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Nothing irks me more than a guy trying to desperately show us, burden us, with trying to be clever. "Hey, look at me, I know how to quote MP".

Epic fail.

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cleepers wrote:
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fellas, ease up!

No problem, Ekker. Just responding to being called 'a joke' out of nowhere.

That was a reaction to your trolling ways. My how easily we conform to the fetal position.

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^ Get a girlfriend (or boyfriend?), Joe -

It may help with the tension.

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Then if you're smart enough, then there are ways of not reading people's posts. That's like complaining about shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the gun. So you had to post this when you could have easily fixed it? Who's fault is that? Really.

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Purpose wrote:
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cleepers wrote:

I quote Monty Python - You quote Harlem nights...

Our taste in movies alone will show people who the joke is!

Don't flatter yourself, posting a link of a movie doesn't add any IQ points. lol

If this was a movie forum, I'd agree...Actually, I wouldn't. But if that makes you walk away thinking you're more culturally enriched , so be it.

You're too funny, I bet you thought you'd score points quoting, using a monty python skit. lol

Where I come from, that is what we call trying too hard. We laughed at people for stuff like that. Good going, M8! lol

I hardly post but one thing I have noticed is that you're far too sensitive. Holy crap man it gets annoying reading your posts/replies.

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Past that stage, but thanks for the concern. May I suggest not trying too hard by using monty python as a means to get a rile out of someone? Monty Python...so passe....so 90's. Well, I'm sure someone probably told you it was still cool, right?

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^ No, you may not!

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Well, don't ever say I was never nice to you. On a serious note, I bowing out now. Life goes on...

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You don't have to love every player on our team. But to even hint that Baron deserves more credit than Gordon does, is a bit ridiculous. Favorite players aside I knew for years Antonio Daniels was always going to be a backup PG and never dish out 10 assists a game or score a ton like he did in college. I was just realistic.

Gordon has had some injuries, but he plays a lot harder and a lot tougher than most in the NBA, ESP for his size. To ask him to tone it down a little isn't a bad option but he uses his strength to wear down opposing SG's.

I'll agree he needs to start playing 70+games a year consistently, but he showed a lot of growth this year. What he lacked in his 3pt game early on he made up for it by scoring in large bunches, getting to the line and passing the ball. All this from what we all thought was basically a pure scoring shooting guard, with the strength to play D and wear down defenders.

However one he started canning the 3pt shots, he massively increased his average by over double the % he was at and finished well. To criticize a player who was in his 3rd year and to defend Baron like you have and not really like any criticisms towards him, a veteran of over 10 years, is a bit of a well, you know what I'm trying to say.

Gordons only what, 22, 23? He'll be entering his 4th year, this should be the year we find out if last year was a fluke, or if were to expect even more from him like this past season where he scored, passed and helped lead this team.

Baron played horrible ball for over 2 seasons before his last couple months when I was very very happy with his play. A part of me was a little sad he was traded but like a lot of people say and what happens a lot in pro sports, trade a player while he's at his best rather than wait.

Joe has a right to a point to be critical of Gordon. Gordon flat out doesn't like Baron Davis who is one of Joe's favorite players. He also makes valid points about his injuries and the poor 3pt shooting Gordon displayed early on, but we Clipper fans and most intelligent NBA followers all figured that would rise as the year went on as it did. Joe was one of few people who defended Baron and got crapped on hardcore. Now the heats on Kaman and the forums are nearly split in two of either trading him or keeping him.

There's been very few Clippers that I've loved enough that I wished would have always kept on a Clipper Uniform or finished in a Clipper uniform, Ron Harper, Lamar Odom, Shaun Livingston, Elton Brand ( yes I said it Sad ) Blake Griffin, Eric Gordon and Kaman.

Love Kaman, love all these other guys still, cept Brand, but I think Kaman's time has come.

As for Gordon, I hope we figure some nice deal out to lock him up here for a 5 year deal after his contract is up. I'd like to see Griffin and Gordon paired together for a good 4-8 years in total before we see who we should keep or if we need to add in other people, I really feel those 2 are going to help us maintain playoff berths every year. As well as the rest of the team

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No one, I mean no one is giving BD more credit than Gordon. When you start off a long post stating that, it ruins the chance to actually have a decent conversation. It all falls under false pretenses.

My very first sentence in my very first post consisted of this:

"Hopefully we can lock in Gordon before he has a chance to test the market. Our chances increased when Baron was traded. Hmmm, I wonder by how much. "

I went on to say that I want him healthy and play like he did in the first 1/4 of the season. Also said that now we'll see how Gordon responds without the BD here. He'll have no more excuses without BD. People seemed to take it the wrong way and proceeded to test me. Judging my acumen, making stupid remarks on a personal level to which I responded in the same fashion.You're just feeding into the lies that this is about BD. Don't do that, you're much smarter than that. This wasn't about BD. Don't feed the trolls.

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Dang there is a lot of tension lol. I feel like Eric Gordon is becoming as controversial as Baron when he clearly shouldn't. Give the guy another 2 seasons to improve and show what he can do before we get on him so much and have to bust out a full page of advanced stats. Kobe Bryant said Eric Gordon is an all star and he LOVES (emphatic) Eric Gordon's game. Coming from the best SG or 2nd best SG in the game that's kind of a big deal. Especially because Kobe doesn't compliment a ton.

Eric Gordon may be a bit injury prone but he's been nothing but an excellent teammate, hard worker and made a big leap with his game this year. He deserves a break. Baron was a 13 year vet who for 2 years didn't give a sh** about the Clippers. Eric Gordon has valid reasons to dislike him.

Think about it like a job. If I bust my ass every day... and there is a guy who's been there way longer than me who doesn't take his job seriously... I'd be pissed off to have to carry the load. Eric Gordon doesn't like Baron because not until his 3rd Clippers season did he come to play and even then in the beginning guy was out of shape and not dedicated. You don't think it's a coincidence that with Baron gone the guys are working out harder than ever and have more chemistry than ever off the court? Looks like the Baron subtraction is already paying off. I mean Mo Williams is helping Blake and EJ lead these workouts. Did Baron do that this early in the offseason??????

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I remember that he promised to get the guys together for workouts but never did. There is certainly a different feel to the club now that he's gone, but whether it is for the better or worse will be determined this coming season

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pageC4 wrote:
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Looks like the Baron subtraction is already paying off. I mean Mo Williams is helping Blake and EJ lead these workouts. Did Baron do that this early in the offseason??????

I remember that he promised to get the guys together for workouts but never did. There is certainly a different feel to the club now that he's gone, but whether it is for the better or worse will be determined this coming season

Fair enough. Just saying the fact that he's working out in late May, early June with the guys is very different than the Baron Davis offseason regiment.

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Looks like the Baron subtraction is already paying off. I mean Mo Williams is helping Blake and EJ lead these workouts. Did Baron do that this early in the offseason??????

I remember that he promised to get the guys together for workouts but never did. There is certainly a different feel to the club now that he's gone, but whether it is for the better or worse will be determined this coming season

Fair enough. Just saying the fact that he's working out in late May, early June with the guys is very different than the Baron Davis offseason regiment.

I think Mo sees the incredible potential in this young core and he'll be damned if he'll blow an opportunity to be a hero in a major market by being as lazy as his predecessor.

Whatever his reasons, I like his commitment to his new team.

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Agree Cleepers.

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BTW in a recent interview with Machinma I noticed Eric Gordon said he feels we have all the pieces now to be a contender.. we just need to stay healthy. I'm glad he believes in his teammates and organization at least. Let's hope he's right.

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Clippersfan86 wrote:
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Looks like the Baron subtraction is already paying off. I mean Mo Williams is helping Blake and EJ lead these workouts. Did Baron do that this early in the offseason??????

I remember that he promised to get the guys together for workouts but never did. There is certainly a different feel to the club now that he's gone, but whether it is for the better or worse will be determined this coming season

Fair enough. Just saying the fact that he's working out in late May, early June with the guys is very different than the Baron Davis offseason regiment.

You're absolutely right on that cf86

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Unfortunately, health always seems to be a concern for us Vomit

If our guys can make it through a season without a significant amount of games lost to injury - playoffs will be ours!

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That's what made the Grizzlies and Thunder breakout as teams too. Spending lots of time together off the court and working out as a team super early in the offseason. Let's hope we are next in line.

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I hardly post but one thing I have noticed is that you're far too sensitive. Holy crap man it gets annoying reading your posts/replies.

Then if you're smart enough, then there are ways of not reading people's posts. That's like complaining about shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the gun. So you had to post this when you could have easily fixed it? Who's fault is that? Really.

Just an observation big boy Very Happy

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Lmao. This is the most entertaining thread in a while.. I'm not even going to lie. I see no need to moderate it because you all are keeping within rules mostly and ribbing each other equally.

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Maybe this belongs in the trade ideas thread...but let's trade Gordon for Baron davis. He's a better ball handler and playmaker and doesn't shoot 17% from 3.

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Purpose wrote:
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I hardly post but one thing I have noticed is that you're far too sensitive. Holy crap man it gets annoying reading your posts/replies.

Then if you're smart enough, then there are ways of not reading people's posts. That's like complaining about shooting yourself in the foot and blaming the gun. So you had to post this when you could have easily fixed it? Who's fault is that? Really.

Just an observation big boy Very Happy

I was well aware of that, that's why I gave you some pretty simple advice about having tools at your disposal, champ. They don't work unless you use them. wink

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Its always about Baron Davis, Gordon, Blake, Kaman etc. These have been the top 4 guys on our team that are the most vocal and watched by the NBA. Gordon feels Baron was holding the team back, and the 2 clearly didn't get along. Maybe it was because Baron quit on us at times, maybe it was because he was out of shape, or Gordon just felt Baron was holding him back. Gordon seemed energetic and fine after the Baron trade. I said it before and I'll say it again, sucks that Baron was finally doing so damn well and we traded him. But its a business. Had he played like that the entire time, even it was just getting 14-16 points and 7 assists, like he WAS, but he was playing with a GREAT attitude and really wanted to win.

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He was playing better but he still gave up on defense and was shooting like crap. Eric Gordon is a hardworking guy and honestly i would have hated having Baron as a teammate as well if i had to deal with his laziness and bad attitude.

Baron always has been and sadly, most likely always will be "me first". Everything is everyone else's fault. That seems to be the anthithesis of Eric Gordon.

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baron was playing subpar basketball until Donald Sterling called him out publicly..then all of a sudden we saw an energetic, focused Baron. Baron clearly had the talent but not the motivation. It took DTS' heckling for Baron to play well. I even remember Colin Cowherd pointing that out

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clipper joe taking no more prisoners ?? insane!

all the hating on Eric Gordon is pathetic. i have said this before, i would want out of LAC asap if the fans kept hating me for trying.

i bet anything if Blake did a solid performance everytime but did not have explosive dunks everyone would want to try to see what he is worth on the market already

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Baron Davis averaged 12.8PPG, 7.0 APG, and 2.8 RPG while he was in a clipper uniform in 2010-2011. In the same year with the same clipper squad Mo Williams put up 15.2 PPG, 5.6 APG, and 2.5 RPG. Clearly the better scorer was Mo Williams, but the better distributor and rebounder was Davis, albeit by a small margin. However, Mo is owed much less money and is about three years younger, and by those reasons it does appear that in the heads up trade we got the better end of the trade. Another thing to consider is that Mo Williams was not quite the lockerroom or fan polarizing figure that Baron was. Considering all the intangibles I do feel that Mo, while not the answer at point guard, will be a better fit for this club than Baron Davis was

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There is no hate in what anyone is saying about Gordon. I mean, really think about it for a second. Gordon is statistically the 3rd worst in TO's in clutch situations. I was asked why I'm not up in Gordon's nuts and I gave my reasons. Does that mean I'm hating on him? No, it doesn't.

Just go over ClipsNation and read up on what they're saying about Gordon being the first option on this team. You'd be really surprised how a lot of fans view him and his shortcomings. While I advocated that we sign him before free agency, a lot of fans want him to test the market, including Steve Perrin.

People don't get their panties in a bunch over there when you criticize Gordon's shortcomings. People here call blasphemy when you tell the truth and qualify your statements. People get butt hurt here and start getting personal. Some don't need an opening, they just want to frack around for the frack of it.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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clipper joe taking no more prisoners ?? insane!

all the hating on Eric Gordon is pathetic. i have said this before, i would want out of LAC asap if the fans kept hating me for trying.

i bet anything if Blake did a solid performance everytime but did not have explosive dunks everyone would want to try to see what he is worth on the market already

There is no hate in what anyone is saying about Gordon. I mean, really think about it for a second. Gordon is statistically the 3rd worst in TO's in clutch situations. I was asked why I'm not up in Gordon's nuts and I gave my reasons. Does that mean I'm hating on him? No, it doesn't.

Just go over ClipsNation and read up on what they're saying about Gordon being the first option on this team. You'd be really surprised how a lot of fans view him and his shortcomings. While I advocated that we sign him before free agency, a lot of fans want him to test the market, including Steve Perrin.

People don't get their panties in a bunch over there when you criticize Gordon's shortcomings. People here call blasphemy when you tell the truth and qualify your statements. People get butt hurt here and start getting personal. Some don't need an opening, they just want to frack around for the frack of it.

balance is always good and on forums it oftens leans too much one way or another.

Also, as far as Steve Perrin being a legitimate opinion, he is no more than another opinion on a forum, imo. If we let Eric test the market, we would most likely have to pay heavily, plus there is the loyalty factor where a player might feel unwanted, etc.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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damn... i didnt realize there was so much hate for EJ! haha hes clearly our second best player and all of a sudden stat geeks are tearing him up! Oh well.. i like him and am glad hes on our team

one bd supporter who seems to have a grudge on Ej for calling him out does not equivalent to a lot of hate

It's not a grudge, I've been saying this since his first year, Jarca. I supported my case. When you hate on Kaman, you have a point, when I do it and support it, I'm a hater?

Just your way of getting into another argument, just like Cleepers. I don't take Cleepers seriously, he's a joke. But c'mon Jarca, you know I've been saying the same things since year one about Gordon.

i've already stated time and time again that iam a kaman hater wink

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man, some of you are about to get an ulcer with all this back and forth stressing on CTB.

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