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While they're stringing Rambis along - there is some thought that owner Glen Taylor won't allow team president David Kahn to pull the trigger - the T-wolves have been busy shopping Jonny Flynn and Michael Beasley, trying to get a center in return. They turned down a chance get to get the Clippers' Chris Kaman. NY Daily News

the statement reads as if the clippers signed off on trading kaman for beasly and flynn

what this could mean is that the clippers could be falling into desperate mode here, unable to get Iggy or a star 3 gaurd and now were going after the "2nd tier" 3 guards

is beasly worth a kaman????

its a very dangerous scenario, and could determine what goal were setting for our team ...

are we going after a ring or a 1st round playoff exit ?

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Beasly? That's playing with fire. If Beasley wasn't such a headache, I'd be all for it. Then again, I doubt Griffin would let Beasley get out of line. There's no one in Minny that would slap him upside the head.

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How many times has his Royal Hipness mentioned Beasley?

Don't remember exact odds but IA> Gay>Beasley> anyone else but he's not worth Kaman. I wanted minny pick and? to Philly for AI, AI to Minny for Beasley and keep Kaman. Except for Pierce that's the best. AS I've sagaciously said Beasley is a knucklehead but a great scorer.

I'd trade DJ for Beasley however because of the commercials it's obvious he's going nowhere

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I am all for this trade. Beas and Flynn both great college players and personally my favorite two players on Minny. Both young and still filled with potential. You gotta take risks to do big things. Beas=way risky but much more upside than signing Prince. Hes a 15ppg guy when he relies on talent alone. Imagine if he tried!

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Last yr Beasley popped 19 ppg not 15. I wish we could leverage the f**king Minny pick to get Beasley and keep Kaman. I LOVE AFA but I'd throw him in as a sweetener

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^ Id rather trade Kaman. Ive got my fingers crossed on Austin Rivers. ONE TIME!

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We get Rivers, were set at PG ( Next year obv )

Beasley plays the 4 a bit too. Flynn would be a great addition. If we did this trade, ( which obv isn't happening ) it was prob a ploy to try to ship off Mo and/or Flynn or Bledsoe, along with AFA for Cp3 or D Wills, packaged with the Minnesota pick and prob a future 1st as well.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3d7n9x7

Here's an interesting trade. I just cut corners here...

We get Chris Paul, Beasley and Okafor

New Orleans gets Mo Wills, Bledsoe, Aminu and Flynn ( 2 1st round PG's with talent, a good expiring contract soon, and a talented SF )

Minesota gets Kaman, gets rid of Flynn to make room for Rubio and potentially Irving.

We also send Minnesota's 1st rounder to New Orleans, a future 1st to New Orleans and 1 of this years 2nd rounders to Minnesota. +13 wins son, that gets us in the playoff picture big time.

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The fact that minny turned US down is pretty sad... Not even the t wolves want our garbage now. We should have traded kaman a while back, now he's as injury prone as Yao

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I can see why they turned it down. An article today said that Rubio is coming to Minnesota, and that if the Cavs actually pass on Kyrie Irving, the T-Wolves will draft him and use him as potential trade bait, or keep him. Making Flynn available. However, they like Beasley there and he did very well there last year. They like his size and scoring ability paired with Love.

The reason they turned it down was because they don't want to lose Beasley for a 1 year rental guy, as I doubt Kaman would want to re-sign with Stinkysota, he'd prob just play out the year and go sign with the Pistons. And I doubt if we attempted a sign and trade that Kaman would actually want to sign an extension to go play in Minnesota.

Kaman isn't garbage, and Minnesota already has trade plans lined up more than likely with the draft looming ahead. And seeing as how they are fully aware of the fact they got seriously ripped off in that trade many, many years ago and they are going to miss out on EASILY one of the best drafts of all time next year, they prob don't even want to talk to us ever again.

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^ kaman is trash, he misses a bunch of games every single season, which kills our team chemistry and our game plan

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You guys are crazy. There's no way the Clippers offered this up and there's no way the Wolves turned it down. The Clippers are preaching doing things the right way and in no way is Beasley the right way. This is just a case of Kahn floating out rumors trying to increase thecae of Beasley.

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I doubt the Clippers offered it up as well. 1 Olshey just said in an interview they are not proactively shopping Chris Kaman.

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link?

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Timberwolves also think Beasley is an ELITE player. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could put up 10 points a night on the TImberwolves and Im only 6' and I played the 2 spot during my basketball days. I heard a rumor they are trying to get Pau Gasol. Timberwolves want like Dwight Howard, Gasol, Amare etc and think beasley will help them get it.

There's links all over the place, theres one on Hoopsworld which is a joke website anyways. Were not serious about this trade and Beasley is better at the 4 than the 3 anyways.

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Also Hoopsworld has us taking 2 PG/SG combog guards in the draft in round 2. TWO more Randy Foye, Bledsoe, Gordon type players. They are the biggest idiots on the planet. We need to package both picks to move up and secure KEITH BENSON

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Yeah and then let's just hope that NO doesn't run that trade through the trade machine and see that they're projected to be one of the worst teams in the NBA.

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Well its just a projected Hollinger analysis. Fact is they'd get one of th ebest picks in the draft the year after, well in 2012. That draft is loaded. They'd get Mo Williams who can run the point for them, and Bledsoe whose an up and comer himself. And a big shot at nabbing Austin Rivers in the draft. They'd also get rid of Emeka's horrible contract, and gain another prospect in Aminu and Flynn. They'd be stacked at the PG spot and if they didnt land the #1 pick to nab Rivers, they could levy the Minny pick + Bledsoe and / or Aminu to move up to get him. Rivers is going to be like Steph Curry with better PG skills. His dad is an NBA genius

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There is an advantage to keeping Kaman this yr. The salary cap will be lower and when he leaves it will free up a lot of space. This is especially true ecause of the power cap expected. If we re-sign him next yr as a FA his price will have gone down because of the CBA If we trade his big contract now for a long term big contract we have cap problems especially if that player doesn't pan out. DJ will get another year to mature or if not we can dump DJ misdseason if he sucks.

Foye, Gomes Williams and DRAFT PICKS seem like what the FO wants to use. (You of course rarely get waht you want) They seem to favor keeping AFA, Lil' EB, DJ and probably CK.

Use the Minny Pick. Let's say a parking fine is $50. It costs a quarter to feed the meter and you only had a $20 nothing smaller. A guy walks by and you ask him to break the bill. He says "No" but he'll trade your $20 for his quarter. In that instance which is more valuable a quarter or a $20? That pick is our useless $20 bill.

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I don't think we need to include Minny in anything. I think if we offer NO Kaman, Mo, The Minny pick and a future 1st for CP3 and we take back Okafors bad deal, I know they'd at least think about it. Throw in Bledsoe if we have to. I think we can get that done. NO gets 2 former all-stars, the coveted Minny pick, a future 1st and get rid of Okafors bad contract. And they would be in position to resign West. If all the above happened they would still be a playoff contender.

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minny pick for rubio.

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I don't really think Rubio is going to be a top PG in the league.

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Ewww that'd be the worst trade ever made

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haha, let's not get crazy. I like Rubio but I dont think he would even be a top 6 pick if he were art of next years draft.

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Hey all,

Clippers didn’t try to acquire Beasley " he’s not the type of player they’re looking for . . . at all.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20184

Also the lead story and off-topic.

Looks like there’s a perceptual difference between Minny and Lakers which would get in the way of a deal.

Thanks

Eric

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Future salary cap relief or no...

If Kahn thinks he can get Pau Gasol for a second round and filler, he's nuts and is going to run Minny down further....just what I'm hoping for as a Clipper fan (last place for Minny equals probable first pick for the Clips).

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E, I like the article. Good Job. What do you think it would take for the Clips to get CP3? I think Kaman, Mo the Minny pick along with taking back Okafor's bad deal, would keep New Orleans competitive, put them in a position where they could resign David west and have a high pick next year. What are your thoughts?

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Ekker3 must have been kidding.

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I've been reading on this.. i feel like we should go after CP3 rather than an elite SF. This is a possible trade that i read about. CP3 and AAron Gray for EBled, Kaman, AFA and a 1st rounder in 2013.. I don't know about this trade we are giving up alot. What do you guys think?

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Minnesota should become the TimberSpains. Rubio's there now. Trade for Rudy to get him out of Portland where he's not happy or playing like himself. Trade everything else to get Pau, and sell the farm for his brother Marc. The Gasol bros, Rudy, Rubio, and some filler could probably make the playoffs. Even though I was just kinda playing around, the Wolves should still make a deal to get Rudy Fernandez. I bet he and Rubio play better next season if they're on the same team.

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seriously though, if pau gasol does end up in minnesota, our minny pick is gonna depreciate quickly.

(btw, that love/gasol trade works for both teams. the lakers get derrick williams and kevin love for paul gasol, both teams would love that. then the lakers could easily pull a bynum for dwight trade. done and done)

ru-bi-o, ru-bi-o! get rid of that pick NOW!

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i dont see how it's a good trade for minnesota

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I remember back when he was 18, the only places he wanted to go to were the large markets.... hopefully he's grown up a bit since then ( yes I know it had to do with him getting endorsements so he could get out of his other contract, but it was still pretty snobby of him). looks like he's settled down a bit though.

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clipperstown wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
seriously though, if pau gasol does end up in minnesota, our minny pick is gonna depreciate quickly.

(btw, that love/gasol trade works for both teams. the lakers get derrick williams and kevin love for paul gasol, both teams would love that. then the lakers could easily pull a bynum for dwight trade. done and done)

ru-bi-o, ru-bi-o! get rid of that pick NOW!

i dont see how it's a good trade for minnesota

the timberwolves get pau gasol. he's the centerpiece of the trade.

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^yea but is Pau that much better than Love? i dodnt think so. and especially not worth love and the #2

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Pau is almost 30, love is like 24... love gives you may more than pau.. i would not do that trade

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After the playoffs fakers should add for love imo.

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ekker3 wrote:
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seriously though, if pau gasol does end up in minnesota, our minny pick is gonna depreciate quickly.

(btw, that love/gasol trade works for both teams. the lakers get derrick williams and kevin love for paul gasol, both teams would love that. then the lakers could easily pull a bynum for dwight trade. done and done)

ru-bi-o, ru-bi-o! get rid of that pick NOW!

i dont see how it's a good trade for minnesota

the timberwolves get pau gasol. he's the centerpiece of the trade.

pau is nothing dude. he hadn't won a single playoff game as a team leader. i can bet you that love wins a playoff series as his team's leader. plus, love is a better shooter and rebounder than pau. pau has better post moves, but with that #2 pick, the wolves can draft a big from europe that can give them that post offense. it would be the most lopsided trade ever.

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^ Agreed. Without Kobe, his career is gonna tank. Lakers will get some value for him, but whoever takes him are suckers and they're gonna set themselves back years!

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minnesota's been rebuilding with draft picks since KG left. there's absolutely no need to keep using/storing them. and its gotta be clipper bias for yall to say pau gasol sucks. im not even gonna debate that one.

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^ Not saying he sucks Ekker, but you have to question his leadership skills after his stint in Memphis, and his mental/emotional fortitude after this year's playoffs.

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Man, people have short memories. When the Lakers went back to back, people were putting Pau in the top 20 of all the players in the league. Now he sucks? Seriously? I'm not saying Pau isn't without his faults, but he's still a very good player. I'd take him on the Clips in a heart beat. He'd make a great compliment to BG.

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^ Though I hate to say it, Bynum was the X-factor in their back-to-backs. Last 4 years, when he was healthy, they got rings; when he wasnt, they didn't. Again, I'm not saying Pau sucks... just that he's way overrated as a max player.

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I wouldnt trade Love for Pau straight up, let alone trade him and the #2 for Pau. Thats one of those ridiculous trades floated on Lakers forums, lol.

Love has never played with another good player and still he was dominant even when getting clobbered. Imagine him with another good player or two? Highly likely he would be better than Pau. Pau couldnt even win a playoff game befor the Lakers and he had a better supporting cast to help him make the playoffs in Mike Miller, Battier, Posey, Jason Williams, Bonzi Wells, Bobby Jackson, none very great players on their own but they played well as a team. Minnesota has had no team basically since KG was traded.

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^ Read and learn, people!

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^

^ so true about pau if minny give up love and number 2

They will be giving lakers a super gift and will be instantly

Back at the top of our conference

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Kevin Love isn't as good as Pau Gasol. The next closest rebounder on the T Wolves was getting like 5.6 a game. Thats awful. Love got so many boards and did so well last year because Minnesota is such a terrible team. Blake or Gordon would have gotten close to 30 a night or more if they were there instead of Kevin Love.

Love is talented but isn't going to be a guy that changes the Lakers franchise, and if they get the 2 pick as well, I doubt Derrick Williams or w/e the hell is name is is going to be a game changer either. This draft is weak. Pau is much better than Kevin Love and is one of the main reasons why the Lakers did so well and went to 3 championships in a row and came home with 2 of them.

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^ It's often said that team success is the difference in whether a player wins MVP or makes All-Star.

Kevin Love had to be a f**king beast to make the ASG on that turr-ble team!

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Love has skill I'll give him that, but if Minnesota trades Love and that 2nd pick for Pau Gasol JUST so he can help out Rubio and that team MAYBE will be better in their eyes, they are complete idiots. Rubio I doubt will be much of a difference maker this season, and at best will be a serviceable backup PG in the NBA.

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