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Opinions? Do you guys think this would hurt or benefit the Clips? I think it improves us for sure but gives us a hole at the 5.

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Clippersfan86
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Fixed ; ).

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It would definitely be a gamble, id like to see this group stick it out one more year before a decesion like that is made

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Parker

Gordon

Jefferson

Griffin

Jordan

That is a impressive starting 5 right there!!!

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How old are parker and jefferson?

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Parker is the same age as Kaman, 29 and Jefferson is 31.

Clippersfan86
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Yea. Mo Williams is 28 or 29 so we get a year older at PG.... but TP also has won championships.

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I like this deal a lot. Tony Parker is a 4th quarter guy that the Clippers desperately need and I think Richard Jefferson is a great fit to fill our SF hole. But I thought the league is in lockout? Is this a deal that was discussed prior to and shelved until the lockout is resolved?

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Just do it.............

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Yes NBA is in lockout... Trades are on hold on for now, probably discussed before the lockout.

Clippersfan86
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Trades on hold.. probably discussed days leading up to lockout. Still worth discussing IMO.

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Richard Jefferson has a Terrible Contract!!!

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we can do better, yes it a plus but when olshey talks about being ready to swoop on the next melo/deron situation I say wait and dont screw up when that moment arrives

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And a terrible jump shot. Guy can't hit a corner three if the hoop was a swimming pool

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I'll hold out for Deron Williams at PG. He just signed witha new agent. Oh yeah... it's the same agent as Blake Griffin.

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Very Happy

Deron + Griffin + Gordan = 50+ win every season

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kaman and mo for parker and ginobli... id do that! but not for jefferson.. big contract and he suks.. gomes kinda plays like him anyways.. we dont want another gomes

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Not really a rumor. Spurs already traded George Hill to the Pacers. They were trying to move Parker for a draft pick but since nobody bit, Pacers made a move for George Hill and Spurs traded. I don't think Parker is on the move now. Maybe after the CBA and whatever is left of the season. I see no truth in the article.

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So, people are wanting to trade two guys in their prime, Kaman and Williams for two guys at the end of their careers... This doesn't make us any better and shorted our window for excellence... Next year we should be a playoff team... If we're going to be title contenders it is two or three years out, at which point Jefferson and Parker will be done...

This deal wreaks of desperation. I'd quite happily get Battier or some other solid free agent SF and go with what we have before I would make this move.

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Repped Sam Mays - You said it before I could

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On a whole, historically, Desperation is all we know. We do not need THIS. I am usually eager to make moves, any moves that could help - I do not like this at all

SamMays
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The thing that really sucks about that deal, is we're trading younger players for older players and it might not make us a bit better in the short term. In the long term, it's a disaster.

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Mo for Parker I'd do...it's the burden called Jefferson I wouldn't.

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Oh please, this place is more fun when we get stuck with another Baron situation, which breeds even more desperation, in the nation.

SamMays
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In an ideal world, we have players we like and can root for... If we can't have that, then players like Baron make for controversy, which is at least interesting.

slestack11
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Parker is at the end of his career and Kaman is in his prime? Aren't they the same age and Kaman played 32 games last year...most of which was coming off the bench?

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ClipperPanda wrote:
Clipper_Richard wrote:
Richard Jefferson has a Terrible Contract!!!

And a terrible jump shot. Guy can't hit a corner three if the hoop was a swimming pool

um, you mean the same richard jefferson who shot 44% from 3 this year??

not saying i want the trade to go through, but i also can't agree with your reasoning here. his 3 pt shooting, especially from the corner(spurs love the corner 3) is a big part of why the spurs were so dominant this year, at least during the regular season.

Greenmonk94
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jefferson will get paid 14 mill on his last year... so F that!!!!!

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trade cant happen until new cba Sad makes my summer way more boring....

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tony parker's enticing, but richard jefferson's a deal breaker.

bad contract, bad player.

again,since there's no available SF that fits our needs AND has a decent contract, there's no need to force a bad contract or player on our roster just because he has a well-known name.

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Parker is a guard whose game is built on speed and his speed is in decline... He also came into the league at 18, so has a lot more mileage on him... Bigs can go longer than guards... So yes, I would say Kaman has another four or five years in his prime while Parker is already in decline... As for injuries... You can see it as a sign that a guy's career is going the wrong way. I see it, in most cases, as bad luck.

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Interesting for sure.

We'd have to take on Tony Parkers remaining what, 4 years on his contract which is pretty rich, and I am not sure what Jefferson is owed over the next year or w/e. Jefferson is a grade above of what we have but I'm not 100% on this. If it helps us win games and it happens, then I'm all for it, as long as it means a playoff berth.

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My bad seanrooks. My father in law is a huge spurs fan, so I had to watch way too many games. It seemed like all I saw was clank clank clank.

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I'm not a huge fan of either TP or RJ, but I'd still probably do the trade. I think it would most likely make us a playoff team.

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I don't know, I'd rather keep Mo instead of Parker. Mo gives us better outside shooting and gives us immediate cap relief when other options open up.

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have to say no. both are on the heavy decline and RJ's contract is absurd.

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On paper it looks good but I'll keep Kaman and Williams.

Tony Parker - $12.5 million per year , 4 years remaining

Richard Jefferson " $10 million per year, 3 years remaining

Parker is a better PG then Mo but Williams is a better outside shooter, solid spot up shooter and would spread the floor more for Blake & Gordon.

I can't believe I saying this but I rather have Gomes then Jefferson and his contract.

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Mo > Parker

and Jefferson sucks. And is a gamble cause of his reputation and that he doesnt work very hard....Parker is pretty good but the reason I say Mo is better than him is age. The poster who said Mo is reaching his peak while Tony is on the decline is correct.

HORRIBLE TRADE IDEA... if we could get rid of Kaman for either of them then I would be ok with that because Kaman does nothing for this year but not if we include MO...

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oh and I dont want jefferson and parker around for so long without knowing it is even going to work here with them...atleast Kaman and Mo are going to be off the books soon....pleeeeease dont mess this up Clippers and get a SF......

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Ya'll are crazy if you don't want parker...

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I want Austin Rivers, a legit SF, and a backup 5 next season. Deal the role players for a draft pick next year, not for Parker and RJ. They're both heading downhill.......a slow decline, but downhill nonetheless. The Memphis series was the 1st indication that they're both going to slide slowly from here on out...

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Uh, MO and Parker are the same age. Both were born in 1982. Pops actually changed up his offense to fit Parker and Manu. They were one of the best teams last season. Parker is the better player and if Parker is on the decline, so is Mo. Only reason I rather keep Mo is because his contract is smaller. None of those guys are the future.

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i do think its funny that because people have heard more about Parker for longer they just assume hes older.. theyre 7 months different in age, but TP has had a much better career... you would really rather have mo, who has won nothing?

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Yeah. I think I clearly explained why.

Mo has a shorter contract that can be moved and Parker has 4 years of a long contract. Neither player is a long term solution.

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I think Mo has a longer shelf life than Parker will. Mo doesn't completely depend on being fast. He can shoot the ball from range, and that quality alone gives Mo the ability to stick around longer. The body ages, but a shooting stroke sticks around for a LONG TIME. One of my JC assistant coaches shot the lights out.......never missed.......and at the time he was in his late 50's.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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i do think its funny that because people have heard more about Parker for longer they just assume hes older.. theyre 7 months different in age, but TP has had a much better career... you would really rather have mo, who has won nothing?

Yeah. I think I clearly explained why.

Mo has a shorter contract that can be moved and Parker has 4 years of a long contract. Neither player is a long term solution.

i think parker for 4 years is not bad... i think thats great because hes such a good player..

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Agree...

Tony's game relies mostly on speed because he loves going in for the lay-up with contact whereas Williams doesn't depend on speed cause he is good stop up shooter.

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4 more years worth of Parker's contract is way too steep. 4 years isn't too big of a deal because there's always an opportunity to deal him, but 4 years of that kinda cash for a player that makes it more difficult financially to sign your franchise player and his solid wing scorer teammate.......when the guy in question can't shoot consistently from the outside......huge rip off.

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No doubt he is a good player but $13.5 million with 4 years remaining at the age of 30 who really can't shoot deep is going to be hard to move as opposed to Mo who has 2 years left 9.3 mill. 2012-2013 Mo will have a expire contract and will be easy to move and then we could draft like Austin Rivers...

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