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The beatings will continue until the blatant hard fouls stop

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Blake would get killed.......unless he could jump over everyone.

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if he can take a punch, he might have a small chance, but I doubt it. he'll probably get destroyed.

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Although,,he did take a lot of punches in the NBA season.......

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I disagree he has insane athletic ability and if he has knockout power with some training he could lite some people up. If you match him up against stand up guys he could probably hang.

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oh yea, with his supreme athleticism and proper training he could be a force to reckon with in MMA! ...but why do that when you can dominate in the NBA...no brainer. Shaq wants to fight Hong Man Choi....i would love to see that!

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MMA isn't something you just pick up and become successful, much less dominate. MMA is a cross breed of Muay Thai, Greco-Roman wrestling, and Jiu-Jitsu. Size and build don't get anything but a longer and more impactful fall...If you don't learn a combination or all of those elements of the sport.

Personally, I think BG would fall on his face if he ever took up the sport.

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I disagree. I've been watching MMA for a long time and i'm pretty sure that if BG actually had the desire and dedicated himself to learning wrestling and some jiu-jitsu and most importantly if he had the "fight" in him he would do pretty well.

Look at brock lesnar...he came into the UFC with just wrestling background and freakish athleticism and dominated. He beat very skilled veterans mainly by the combination of his strength size and speed. He has been exposed and beat by cain valesquez but not before he took the title. And if it weren't for his illness I'm pretty sure he'd still be tearing it up in the heavyweight division (as much as I hate to admit it).

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Brock Lesner is a joke. As soon as he's hit, he drops like a fly. He's who I had in mind when I wrote the first post. As far as his illness, I wouldn't be surprised if that was his excuse to not fight Junior Dos Santos.

Anyway, Brock is a decorated wrestler, he started out at a very young age. BG isn't a wrestler and he doesn't have his size.

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I disagree. I've been watching MMA for a long time and i'm pretty sure that if BG actually had the desire and dedicated himself to learning wrestling and some jiu-jitsu and most importantly if he had the "fight" in him he would do pretty well.

Look at brock lesnar...he came into the UFC with just wrestling background and freakish athleticism and dominated. He beat very skilled veterans mainly by the combination of his strength size and speed. He has been exposed and beat by cain valesquez but not before he took the title. And if it weren't for his illness I'm pretty sure he'd still be tearing it up in the heavyweight division (as much as I hate to admit it).

Brock Lesner is a joke. As soon as he's hit, he drops like a fly. He's who I had in mind when I wrote the first post. As far as his illness, I wouldn't be surprised if that was his excuse to not fight Junior Dos Santos.

Anyway, Brock is a decorated wrestler, he started out at a very young age. BG isn't a wrestler and he doesn't have his size.

Yea but you have to admit he had success. And I doubt he's faking his injury. Hershel Walker had some success and he is old as hell. Are you really telling me that you think if blake quit the nba right now (still young) and focused on MMA and had the "fight" in him that he wouldn't do pretty well??? The combination of his size, athleticism, coordination, and work ethic is not very common. Let me be clear, i'm not saying that he can just walk into the cage and make some noise, he would have to train, but i bet if he did for 2 years he could do some damage. but again..why would he? he is too gifted for that sport, thats why he plays basketball. And if you don't see that then we better just agree to disagree.

...... can't wait to see dos santos vs cain velasquez!

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Brock isnt as bad as u think, he's got skill. Plus Cain Velasquez hasnt even defended his title in a year thats a Joke (Cain is a beast though). Can't wait for Anderson Silva GSP fight. That would be Awesome. As for Blake I think he would get destroyed, it would take him years to get ready just to compete. I think Urijah Faber would beat blake in less than a round.

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Faber would choke him out in a second...nevermind he's a couple of feet shorter. lol

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Faber hasnt done jack crap since he joined the UFC. He's overrated. Blake Griffin wouldnt be bad but it would probably take him a while to get good. Brock Lesner is only 6'2.. thats not all that tall. I belive he's 265? Pretty beefy. I'm sure Blake Griffin is just as fast as Brock if not faster. My favorite fighter is GSP but I dont think anyone can touch Jon Jones. Jon Jones is my 2nd favorite but I belive Jon Jones is just as good in his weight class as GSP is. Jon Jones hasnt been beaten yet.. Sure he lost by DQ in a fight that he was murdering Matt Hamell. I dont think it should have been a DQ. I think they should have just taken a point away. 12 oclock to 6 oclock elbow. Faber is 5'6 140 pounds.. He's good for his weight. Him vs a 250 pounder... .IDK.

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I have been training with millinia mma in Rancho Cucamonga. Though I am a beginner I belive I am very good. It is something you can just pick up. If you are a natural fighter than you can be successful. If you've watched mma than you know that anything can happen. 1 lucky punch can end a fight.

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Blake Griffin is a powerful, motivated, hard working basketball player who takes a beating on the court already, I personally think he would be a great mma fighter but basketball is definetly his #1 sport

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Clippers_FTW wrote:
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MMA isn't something you just pick up and become successful, much less dominate. MMA is a cross breed of Muay Thai, Greco-Roman wrestling, and Jiu-Jitsu. Size and build don't get anything but a longer and more impactful fall...If you don't learn a combination or all of those elements of the sport.

Personally, I think BG would fall on his face if he ever took up the sport.

I have been training with millinia mma in Rancho Cucamonga. Though I am a beginner I belive I am very good. It is something you can just pick up. If you are a natural fighter than you can be successful. If you've watched mma than you know that anything can happen. 1 lucky punch can end a fight.

The MMA has evolved from it's early roots. Most of today's fighters are trained differently. It's not about size and punching power anymore, it's about mastering the skills from legit sports. The Chuck Liddells of the world are almost instinct. The properly trained fighters are the ones that are slowly taking over. Jones, GSP, and Silva are the epitome of what the sport has turned into...That's why I love it so much.

I really don't think being a natural fighter is all it takes. Your early background has to include one element of MMA to be successful...IMO.

Wrestling and martial arts has very little to do with fighting ability, it more of philosophy and sport, then the ability to fight. That's why all these top MMA fighters are gentile before and after fights. They don't have an aggressive demeanor.

Anyway, good luck with that. I'd probably would tried it myself if I were a bit younger.

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NBA physicality doesn't compare to MMA though. Most Athletes can't transition into another sport...Especially when most of their lives are spent learning their primary sport at a very young age.

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MMA is something you have to have been practicing since you were 7 years old to be a pro at. those "lucky punches" aren't just lucky. the same opportunity to land a KO punch might come to someone that isn't as experienced, but they won't be able to land it because MMA experience also trains you to be able to see your opportunities ( even ones with small windows) and take advantage of them.

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how are you guys arguing this and not mentioning that blake is 6'10"?!? they shoot for his legs and he'd destroyed on the ground. he's doing it for cross training, a lot of guys do.

BLAKE WOULD NOT BE A GOOD MMA FIGHTER.

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You are right, his height would would def. hurt him. Thats easily the best argument against blake ever becoming successful in mma. Sometimes I forget how tall these guys are! But just remember, guys like Tim Silvia had success too. I know the heavyweight division has gotten a lot better, making Tim Silvia almost irrelevant however someone like blake is also a lot more athletically superior than any other past tall menl. The main point is, if blake has a fighter's personality, and decides to dedicate himself to training for 2-7 years I think he could come into a heavy weight division (which btw lacks fast athletic 240 lbs guys) and be successful (not saying "the best").

Saying faber will take him out right now is an obvious statement since griffin is not an mma fighter.

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Man, one of the best conversations in the last month, eh? Glad there are other MMA aficionados here.

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I know huh! at least with a lockout we can count on a good UFC event every other month!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Jones_(fighter)

Good read on Jon Jones

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I really want to see Anderson Silva challenged. He really hasn't been tested in a while (besides chael sonnen i guess). It would be sick if he moved up to light heavy weight and fought guys like Jon Jones and Rashad Evans. I know he has already fought a couple guys in that weight class already and destroyed them ie: forrest griffin and the sandman but I dont think he can consistently get away with his mid fight showboat antics in that weight class like he does in middle weight. I see that as an easier transition for him than moving down to welterweight to fight GSP.

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"Before beginning his MMA career, Jones was a stand-out high school wrestler and state champion.[13] He also won a national JUCO championship at Iowa Central Community College.[13]"

Kinda emphasizes my point.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Jones_(fighter)

Good read on Jon Jones

"Before beginning his MMA career, Jones was a stand-out high school wrestler and state champion.[13] He also won a national JUCO championship at Iowa Central Community College.[13]"

Kinda emphasizes my point.

"kinda doesn't" you can wiki almost every fighter and see that they started some sort of fighting in their teens. That doesnt mean that if you didnt start in your teens you can't start in your early 20's. Especially when you are already far more athletic than the average fighter. Here's a tidbit that kinda emphasizes my point... Forrest Griffin only started fighting in college. Wasnt a highschool wrestler or a kickboxer or anything like that. And what did he do? His fight with stephen bonner was one of the most important fights in UFC history. Not only that, i think he held the light heavyweight belt at one time. So my point is it CAN be done. I'm sure there are more because i found him by just wiki'ing 5 fighters. I think its kinda naive to think you HAVE to have been fighting since you were like 7 to have any sort of career in MMA.

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I think it does. Griffin is a brawler that's out of date with the current talent pool...And I really like Griffin. Bonner? Washed up. In one of my first posts, I said the days of Liddell are over...Both those guys I consider in the same pool. They are just brawlers.

As far as starting later in age, I've never really seen a successful fighter with no background experience. Maybe you can point one out that isn't a fighting card filler. Anyway, the new breed of fighters are schooled by the best and start at an early age.

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First of all, Forrest Griffin is more than just a card filler. You realize he is fighting Shogun in the co main event of the next UFC right? Is Shogun a "card filler" too? I am actually looking forward to seeing the rematch with shogun (saw their first fight live). And Bonner, i never said he wasn't washed up or anything..infact he sucks . I just said that the epic battle between him and griffin was one of the most important fights in UFC history because it was key in propelling its popularity.

I dont know if you really think this or if its a pride thing at this point or what..but honestly its pretty laughable that you think an athletically gifted person cant start learning from your so called "best schools" at the age of 22 and become a factor by 30 (which is not considered old in the mma world). And again, i'm not saying that this person will become the undisputed reigning champion, just saying that there is no reason why he couldnt have success (not even talking about blake griffin in particular).

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First of all, Forrest Griffin is more than just a card filler. You realize he is fighting Shogun in the co main event of the next UFC right? Is Shogun a "card filler" too? I am actually looking forward to seeing the rematch with shogun (saw their first fight live). And Bonner, i never said he wasn't washed up or anything..infact he sucks . I just said that the epic battle between him and griffin was one of the most important fights in UFC history because it was key in propelling its popularity.

You read it wrong. I asked if you can name me a late starter who is successful and not a card filler. I didn't say Griffin was a card filler but at this point, he's getting there. Shogun just came off a beating and fell of the ranks but he still a top contender. When you lose a fight like Shogun did, you fall and have to fight a lower ranked fighter. And at this point, Griffin is riding his name now.

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I dont know if you really think this or if its a pride thing at this point or what..but honestly its pretty laughable that you think an athletically gifted person cant start learning from your so called "best schools" at the age of 22 and become a factor by 30 (which is not considered old in the mma world). And again, i'm not saying that this person will become the undisputed reigning champion, just saying that there is no reason why he couldnt have success (not even talking about blake griffin in particular).

It's not a pride thing, it's my opinion...it's a discussion, no? If what I said is laughable to you, tell me a fighter that started in his 20's and is successful right now that didn't have any experience. If you can do that, laugh at me all you want. Good luck with that.

Edit: As for the Bonner and Griffin fight, it was a street fight and you know it. It was also the first year of Ultimate fighter. The exposure came from the season show...And the finale. Plus, the UFC was already on the map and I had been watching for years before the show.

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bro when you said "Maybe you can point one out that isn't a fighting card filler" after the only person I pointed out was Forrest Griffin, i think its safe to say that you were considering him as a card filler. So if thats not what you meant, then its not me "reading it wrong" its you writing it wrong.

as for the griffin bonner fight:again i am just using this as an example of forrest's success. Yes that was a brawl, a damn entertaining one, and yes UFC was on the map already, and like you I also started watching well before then (back when it was only sanctioned in like 2 states) but it is widely considered as the launching point for the UFC's recent surge in popularity. Dana White has said this many times. infact google this: "the most important fight in UFC history" , and see what comes up.

and you are right, i shouldn't say that your opinion is laughable, because the truth is neither one of us can prove our point, because we are discussing the possibility of a hypothetical situation. So we should probably just agree to disagree.

either way, i enjoyed this discussion Smile

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It's been a long summer. I can tell because this is a very silly discussion...

Remember Too Tall Jones, I say.

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my quote:

"As far as starting later in age, I've never really seen a successful fighter with no background experience. Maybe you can point one out that isn't a fighting card filler."

This is how I framed my comment. I started a new paragraph ( new thought), and actually made it clear it was a new thought ( "As far as starting later in age"). It wasn't about Griffin anymore, I went back to the original topic we were talking about...A successful fighter with no background experience.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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bro when you said "Maybe you can point one out that isn't a fighting card filler" after the only person I pointed out was Forrest Griffin, i think its safe to say that you were considering him as a card filler. So if thats not what you meant, then its not me "reading it wrong" its you writing it wrong.

my quote:

"As far as starting later in age, I've never really seen a successful fighter with no background experience. Maybe you can point one out that isn't a fighting card filler."

This is how I framed my comment. I started a new paragraph ( new thought), and actually made it clear it was a new thought ( "As far as starting later in age"). It wasn't about Griffin anymore, I went back to the original topic we were talking about...A successful fighter with no background experience.

i lied alright... haha. i see what you were saying now.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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bro when you said "Maybe you can point one out that isn't a fighting card filler" after the only person I pointed out was Forrest Griffin, i think its safe to say that you were considering him as a card filler. So if thats not what you meant, then its not me "reading it wrong" its you writing it wrong.

my quote:

"As far as starting later in age, I've never really seen a successful fighter with no background experience. Maybe you can point one out that isn't a fighting card filler."

This is how I framed my comment. I started a new paragraph ( new thought), and actually made it clear it was a new thought ( "As far as starting later in age"). It wasn't about Griffin anymore, I went back to the original topic we were talking about...A successful fighter with no background experience.

Ok Joe. Hopefully after this you can for once (as far as I can tell) admit you may be wrong... First of all I don't agree with you discrediting my forrest griffin example because you are implying that he is not successful which is absolutely ridiculous. I think you can consider anyone that consistantly makes it on the televised PPV card successful. And did you know he is Top 10 on almost every CURRENT MMA Light Heavyweight rankings? Does that not prove success??

But here's one more example for you. Brian Stann. A new guy that is coming up in the game with no fighting training at an early age. He is fighting amongst your so called "new breed" and I think it is safe to say he is having success. Plus he is also Top 10 in many rankings for Middleweight right now.

Have i satisfied all your requirements??

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I don't believe I am wrong, I just have a different opinion. I haven't discredited Griffin, I never said he wasn't successful, I never said he was fight card filler. I said he is a brawler and always has been. All I know is that he has continually dropped in ranking after the new breed of well educated fighters have come in the last few years.

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Forrest Griffin

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pretty sure okami was 24 or 25 when he started training too

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I've read he studied 6 years before he got his black belt in Judo. Which means he had training. He entered MMA in 2002 so I not sure if he had training before, or after.

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