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Here's my breakdown of the different Clippers fans that exist: Those basketball fans in LA that hate the Lakers and/or Kobe specifically and choose to root for the Clippers as a statement. I noticed that there were a bunch of new Clippers fans in the mid-2000's due to Kobe's unpopularity during the Colorado incident. These are the only fans that consider Lakers/Clippers even a rivalry. Those basketball fans in LA that couldn't get Lakers season tickets so they gravitated towards the buy one get one free deal the Clips were offering. Few years go by and they developed a....

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When it comes to lakers vs clippers, the laker fans do annoy me, especially radio talk show hosts on 710 AM. People like Mason and Ireland, Max Kellerman, the kamintski brothers, and Mark Willard were the main culprits of last year. I still remember that they all said, as a whole, that they are gonna snag Blake Griffin once he becomes a free agent in a couple of years. It's people like them that heavily influences people in LA to become not just myopic, but clueless, and how the CBA works. I just hate the fact that these people feel that the Lakers are entitled to have whoever they want. These group of people need to have that feeling of humility, and with the Lakers getting swept in the playoffs was just the start. The new CBA that currently passed would make it even harder for the Laker organization to compete. Which is right now, the organization is acting like a chicken with its head cut off by trying to acquire Howard to make them relevant for the future. My opinion, I want that organization to fail for once, so at least we can be rid of the fake fans.

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I don't know if you guys heard on the radio yesterday on 710, but Mychael Thompson (another overrated Laker), stated that a trade for Dwight Howard with the Clippers would never work because he consider the players we're giving in return are role players which includes Eric Gordon and Deandre. DJ, I would understand but Gordon? Thompson is another reason why I want the lakers to fail.

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Going back to the topic at hand, I read on the Detroit press that the Pistons are try to orchestrate a trade for Kaman in exchange for Tayshaun Prince.

First off, why would there be a trade if Prince is an unrestricted free agent?

And second, I believe that Prince was not interested in coming back to LA.

As much as I want Paul, I'm getting the sense that he would not be too interested in coming here compared to the Knicks. For me, I'd rather not get rid of my resources (Bledsoe, Aminu, Minnesota pick) for someone who does not want to be here. I'd rather take a chance on Deron Williams and wait a year. That way, we keep our talent and acquire a star.

For this year, the biggest need is a SF. Butler wouldn't be too bad. Nor would Battier. Prince would be a stretch.

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the only thing that i can think of is that we would save some salary cap to give it to get someone else?

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The only way they can trade us Prince is if they sign + trade, which means we'd have to pay him the equivalent of Kaman's salary. Donald Sterling is the ultimate cheap ass, but one thing he does not do is overpay for players so this makes no sense. Detroit Press is just trying to make the remaining people in Detroit that can actually afford a newspaper or a computer about their basketball team. I prefer Butler anyway because I think he's a better defender than Prince.

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As far as the Lakers always having a good team, it's not true. When Magic retired around 1992, the Lakers went into somewhat of a tailspin. James Worthy all of a sudden became useless and I wanted to kill Sedale Threat. Then they organically drafted one of my favorite Laker squad's in Nick Van Smack, Eddie Jones, Club Ced Ceballos, Elden Campbell, and Vlade. This team was mediocre for several years...pretty much until 1996 when they landed Shaq. I guess my point is that Eric Gordon kindof reminds me of Eddie Jones. Jones was a multi-year all-star but was never really a superstar. If we need to give up Gordon to land a real superstar, I say we do it. Again, I don't think Howard is gonna happen, but CP3 could if we are willing to let go of low-end all-stars like Gordon.

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All I am going to say is if you don't respect Kobe Bryant than you are not a REAL basketball fan.

but anyways back at the topic, I want to keep DJ and EJ.

also anyone else comfortable with Olshey as GM? I support him very much. I think he knows what to do to get us to the promise land and with all the attention this team is getting for the first time ever, DTS might just open in pockets a little more and spend.

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i'll give olshey props when he ACTUALLY signs a talent. Until then, this all sounds like typical clippers manuevering where they PRETEND to reach out but ends up with nothing

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Mychael Thompson and Mason and Ireland have been ripping the Clippers for years. They dont ever watch the games. I am a devout clipper fan and I remember in Eric Gordon's second year EJ was putting up 16PPG and the discussion of Allan Iverson came up and it was either Mason or Ireland who was arguing that the clippers should make a run at Iverson. That idea was ridiculous because, in my opinion, AI was on a quick downward spiral and EJ was on the rise. Yet Mason and Ireland didnt know who EJ really was or what he was doing there. So you're right Im sure Mychael Thompson would definitely say that but he knows more about the Lakers and he should keep his commentary to the Lakers because neither he or anyone on 710 knows much about the Clipps. And just like you I also want the Lakers to fail to shut this group of clowns up

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Seriously, not to disrespect the Clippers, but most Lakers fans don't consider the Clippers a rival. In fact, most are just glad the Lakers have 2 extra home games to go to. Here's my breakdown of the different Clippers fans that exist: Those basketball fans in LA that hate the Lakers and/or Kobe specifically and choose to root for the Clippers as a statement. I noticed that there were a bunch of new Clippers fans in the mid-2000's due to Kobe's unpopularity during the Colorado incident. These are the only fans that consider Lakers/Clippers even a rivalry. Those basketball....

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Guys I've asked nicely twice to stop the Lakers vs Clippers talk. If you want to continue, carry it to private message. There are a few fans here that like both teams and we don't need drama or division on the forum from this topic. I understand nobody is going too far now but I've seen this discussion play out far too many times. I know this is a Clippers forum and your home court.... but this is completely off topic of the main thread.

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Seriously, not to disrespect the Clippers, but most Lakers fans don't consider the Clippers a rival. In fact, most are just glad the Lakers have 2 extra home games to go to. Here's my breakdown of the different Clippers fans that exist: Those basketball fans in LA that hate the Lakers and/or Kobe specifically and choose to root for the Clippers as a statement. I noticed that there were a bunch of new Clippers fans in the mid-2000's due to Kobe's unpopularity during the Colorado incident. These are the only fans that consider Lakers/Clippers even a rivalry. Those basketball....

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^^^ Those clowns were also saying last season we should trade Griffin for Carmelo. I think Mason purports to be a Clipper fan, but that's b.s. And Ireland and Thompson are unabashed Lakers sycophants. At least Thompson won a championship with the Lakers so for him its kind of excusable. Ireland is just a stooge.

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Lol at trading Griffin for Carmelo. Sad thing is rookie Griffin ranked higher than Melo and Amare on ESPN's player rank.

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I'm laughing at the Knicks trading for Carmelo anyway because now they have nothing left to trade to New Orleans for Paul.

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I think we have to take Olshey at his word that they are trying to get Howard #1 over all other things.

With that in mind, I think the Kamen for Prince trade makes sense.We won't need Kamen because we will have Howard and we will need the cap space to take on Turkelu's bad contract.

I think it would be something like this:

Resigned DeAndre, Aminu, Bledsoe , Minny 1st, 2013 clips 1st and expiring filler (like foye, something we get from kamen trade or amnesty, etc).

So I see this as our starting lineup on opening day:

M. Williams

E. Gordon

T. Prince

B. Griffin

D. Howard

Then we just sign Paul or Deron next year outright based on our legendary front court and our playoff success this year. We will amnesty Gomes. And we'll have Turkelu to play backup SF/PF. The rest of our bench will have to be built from low cost vets that want a championship or amnesty players.

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SDclipper wrote:
Clippersfan86 wrote:
Lol at trading Griffin for Carmelo. Sad thing is rookie Griffin ranked higher than Melo and Amare on ESPN's player rank.

I'm laughing at the Knicks trading for Carmelo anyway because now they have nothing left to trade to New Orleans for Paul.

Yes they do...Carmelo. lol

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They just cannot stand the fact that the Clippers have the most marketable and exciting player in the game right now. Griffin really has the potential to be a multiple MVP winner, where Kobe's sun is setting. As long as Griffin is a Clipper, and the FO ensures a quality supporting cast for him, the Lakers will become progressively more irrelevant over the next few years.

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"With that in mind, I think the Kamen for Prince trade makes sense.We won't need Kamen because we will have Howard and we will need the cap space to take on Turkelu's bad contract."

Kaman isn’t a junk player. Remember, with a healthy year, Chris could revert back to his all star numbers.

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^^^^^The Knicks may not have too many options in acquiring Paul via trade this season but I read that they will have cap space after this season.

As for the Clips of trying to acquire him, I hope there can be some written agreement for him to sign that extension. I don't want a verbal commitment. Just look at Carlos Boozer with the Cavs.

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OK, call me crazy (and I know a bunch of you will!) but hearing Olshey keep repeating his mantra of "upgrading the 3-spot" made me think something like this could be in the works...

3-way trade:

NY gets CP3

NO gets Kaman, Aminu, Minny pick

LAC gets CARMELO ANTHONY!

CP3 will sign his extension and be partnered with a star, NOH get more than the knicks can offer them, Clippers fill our gaping hole at SF with a legit star. Not sure if 'melo's temperament fits in with Olshey's 'new culture', but I definitely see this as possible.

I'm not asking whether you guys actually LIKE the idea, just if you think it's been/is being considered by Olshey.

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chris's statistical rise had more to do with the absence of blake (and that one year Elton went down). he wont be putting up such numbers with blake (and DJ) around but i agree, he could be the key for this team.

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I don't think he is either. I would hope they would get Prince + another good asset for him. And probably only do that trade contingent on the Howard trade happening.

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so with all of these amazing trade talks would you guys be disappointed if we landed iggy at the 3 spot? We wanted him really bad last year but it didnt happen. What if it happened now? Would anyone be angry or consider it to be like aquiring gomes and foye?

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Kaman for Prince doesn't make sense. Kaman is younger and a scorer. If his drop in numbers was due to Brand/Blake they will go up with the Pistons. He has an expiring contract so it's a one year rental. He'll be real motivated since it's a contract yr. When he's on he's a beast.

Everybody forgets that he's a good find for a bunch of teams

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wait, not sure if i understood.

prince is a free agent, and thus we dont need to trade kaman to get him.

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Olshey is not doing work. Reports says he'll match any offers DJ gets. What if DJ doesn't get an offer until mid December or worse, a few days before Christmas? Does that mean DJ would just be sitting around instead of practicing with the team?

I hope they already have a deal in place and the only reason why they can't sign it is to free up cap space for a possible trade. Reading DJ's tweets, he doesn't mention anything about playing ball or working out at the Clippers practice facility.

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So if Kaman is traded away for a SF, which free agents are the clippers looking to sign to play behind or start over DJ? I know they have expressed interest in Nene but adding another center hasn't been a priority.

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Hoopshype has an article talking about the top 10 NBA centers available in free agency. I can't post the link, but the article is on the front page.

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guys, kaman isnt being traded for a SF. there are too many capable ones available via free agency.

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Any trade, even if we get a player through FA, and I'll be extremely happy.

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What about the Iguodala trade for kaman, who would be our other center?

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In the videos I've saw on Clippers.com, It seems that Olshey is more interested in getting a SF in free agency than actually trading anyone.

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So, everyone's pretty much sold on trading Kaman? No one here wants to give him another year to see if he can prove himself?

Personally, I want him traded but something tells me we should give him another chance. We gotta keep in mind that last season was his first time playing alongside Blake. He looked a little lost a couple of times and hesitated on A LOT of shots. The chemistry was definitely not there. Now, I think he understands his role and has a chance to blossom again.

If we had to, I agree with not trading him for a SF though as much as we need one.

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Of course he is because a trade would cost us players where as through FA allows us to just add to our team and eatting the salary cap that we have.

Btw neil will never tip his hand on a trade especially if it has potential to happen. Especially on LACtv they will edit it to give us fans info but not release anything that would tell teams what they are looking for or doing.

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+1.

There really is no reason to trade Kaman for an SF, unless of course someone like Danny Granger is involved. Whether it's Prince, Battier, Butler, or Kirilenko, they're all solid 3's and huge upgrades over Gomes.

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