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delacious
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^ Agree. I thought that with Bledsoe coming back, we should get rid of Mo and get something useful (wing player or some size at c), but as you said, without him we've no scorer in the second unit, something vital in today's game. We now have three top players for two guard positions in cp3, billups and mo, and 2 decent ones in foye and bledsoe (+ leslie). Pretty nice to make some noise in the playoffs.

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I think we should keep it together for the year. If Bledsoe can prove to be solid, we should move him (or we'll face a CP3/Darron Collison situation) for the pick that winds up becoming Michael Gilchrist. OR if he doesn't mind being a career 6th man, keep him and move Mo at the deadline for a starting 2. Chauncey as our sixth man would be deadly,

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Seeing Mo play with this team, I wouldn't make any move right away. Our biggest need is a backup center, but Mo is too good a player to trade away for that... He's coming off the bench and scoring. He's looks quicker and more energetic than I've ever seen him. There are times and matchups where it's tough to play him against bigger SG's, but that's the nature of second unit players... They aren't built for every occasion, which is why they are second unit.

Mo would be a good starting PG on many teams, particularly those with a 2 and a 3 who are also good playmakers; which is why he made an all-star team with Lebron. On other teams, like ours, he's an excellent player to have coming off the bench.

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I know a lot of you guys disagree with this but we have to move the guy asap. He's playing out of his mind the past few days, his value is as high as it can get. He's gone next summer whether we like it or not. We need to get some pieces back for him.

Bledsoe is back in a week. With Mo on this team EB does not see the court. It's wasted talent. Mo is definitely better than EB but he's a short timer and we have enough depth at the point. This team is extremely weak at the wings and we don't have a backup center. The way Mo is playing we can get both of these problems covered with a trade.

this team is unbalanced and will be exposed in the playoffs if we don't move a PG. Strike while the iron is hot.

JerseyClipper
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^^^ I agree. Mo's value is so high right now

evanhenrique
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I would trade bledsoe instead. Mo is a helluva sixth man, he's playing out of his mind precisely to show he wants to be with this organization. He's done a lot of things and he's really compromised. I think we should keep him, even if it would be possible to fill our holes by trading him. I say trade Bledsoe for a defensive wing or a 7-footer and let this team mature and let it show what it is capable of in the playoffs - The first of many with this core.

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We only trade Mo if he is not satisfied with his role on the team and isn't willing to stay in the long run and even then the least we should get for him is a Paul Millsap level player , would much rather see Bledseo go then Mo.

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You don't trade Bledsoe! Mo is going to be what, 31 or 32 when his contract is up at the end of next year if we keep him that long. If Chris Paul decides to up and friggin' leave were without a PG and I wouldn't want an aging Mo Williams on this team. Bledsoe is our oh sh!t back up plan hence why we wouldn't move him in the trade for Chris Paul.

Mo is a trade asset, that nearly 9 mill next year that a team could amnesty is a very nice piece, + he's not trash or anything he's a guy that can start for most NBA teams at the point and give you 12-17 points, 4-8 assists, 1-2 3pters, shoot a high % at the foul line and grab boards. This guy wasn't an All-Star for no reason.

If he has to be moved I suggest we entertain getting a Center back via a trade. Hell I am pissed we don't have Marcus Camby anymore he'd be perfect right now.

BenjaSands
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You guys are going to regret that day we lose Mo. He has been shooting ridiculous these past couple games and he has played well all season. I like to know who will give us the punch he gives us right now coming off the bench.

BenjaSands
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And Mo Williams is a great player, former All Star if we get rid of him it has to be for someone who can contribute as much as he has this season...

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yeah, at the beginning of the season i was for trading him, but the way he's been playing is ridiculous and i don't believe its a fluke, i really think all that cross fit he did over the summer is really paying off and i believe he will continue to dominate. He's a valueable piece they shouldnt lose if possible.

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honestly, the last two games he's shot better than anyone in the league w/o question

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Mo is walking people. He only agreed to this season. Better trade him while he's hot. No way he taking the player option for next season. I'm pretty sure he's just auditioning for other teams on National TV.

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We have to keep Mo, in the event of Billups not coming back next season. We can slide Mo to SG.

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Well, that has to be sorted out before the deadline. Otherwise, we lose Mo and get nothing in return.

JerseyClipper
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Good point, Chauncey might not be back next season

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Right now Mo's stock is hot and he's still pissed at being used as a backup. Best to get what you can while it's hot.

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why do we need to trade a good player? Mo is shooting and playing well.

SamMays
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I think Mo has found his spot as a 6th man, capable of backing up the 1 and the 2 and coming into the game with instant scoring... he has never played better than he's playing this year.

The only question is, where is Bledsoe going to fit? Either Mo or Bledsoe will be the odd man out. We don't need three guards under 6'2"... Especially if we also have Billups who can play the point.... I suspect Mo will be the guy sent away for a big SG and/or backup center. Probably near the trade deadline...

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I would put MO in today as starting SG and leave him there,,Chauncy is the 6th man. Chauncy can be great (can also be a clunker, but we knew that),,but he gets gassed easily. Mo never seems to get gassed.

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Billups is more likely to resign next season than Mo. Mo is gone no matter what happens and we most likely don't have cap space in the summer to sign an equally talented player to replace him. We need to get what we can get now.

Can't trade Bledsoe unless it's for a very young can't miss talent at SG or SF. EB is too valuable to trade at such a young age and still on rookie deal.

The way Mo is playing we could possibly get a backup C AND a quality wing. Not only is he playing well, he also represents almost guaranteed cap space in the summer...damn near any team would look at him because he's valuable in numerous ways...

Lamar would still be my first choice because of his versatility and the big FU it would be to Fakers....but I'd check out Phoenix too and tell them we'll take one of their long term wing contracts (Dudley Childress or Frye) with Gortat. Gortat would be here for 3 years and he's one of the best values in the league at under 7mil per.

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The injury bug has hit our guards in a big way so far this season. Without Mo, we are thin in terms of quality and experience. We actually need him. I don't take to the reason he will bolt after the season is finished. First thing to consider is the desirability if the LA market for the lifestyle, big-market recognition, and the inability of many teams to take on his salary. I am sure he'd be happy to have the same salary here in LA. The Lakers sign their players, so does Miami, and so doe New York. The extra-curricular income is also maximized in a big market. Dudes, he is already a wealthy man! And will make considerably more before he retires.

If we can consistently win and can be competitive force in the playoffs, I can't see Mo leaving for more money or for a team without PO chances. I am sure the FO is talking to his agent. Speculating on what little info we have has little meaning. I an sure Olshey will put out a team next season that will be better than this one. Clipperland is becoming a premier location. Why fret? It's awesome we have him wearing a Clipper uniform. And to think the majority on this board thought that Cleveland got the better end of the trade. Funny indeed....

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Okafor

Icecoldclipper
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Don't trade Mo just let him walk when his contract is up I think Mo is going to huge need until we get Bledsoe to develop into the role of sixth man and I see it taking one more season before Bled is ready.

Greenmonk94
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giving away mo would be a dumb thing.. Mo is our 6th man..

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I'd rather trade Billups if we could

marzman
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Why does everyone keep saying Mo is mad? He is not! Mo is as much apart of this teams success as anyone and we need him this year if we want to be tough down the stretch. He is our jason terry!!!

JamFan
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After going for more than 25ppg for 3 straight games while hitting 29 of 46 shots, mostly from long range, you should have read the after game comments he made to reporters while being interviewed. He could have not been more generous to his team mates. He repeated over and over how it is a team win. He stated again and again that his accomplishments could not happen without the total team effort of the guys who are on the floor with him. He was humble and appreciative of his team mates. He sounds more than ever like a guy who is accepting his role and actually likes what is happening. If he is mad, I want to know what happy is.

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Our starting SG is a 35year old PG. Our back up SF is Ryan Gomes. Our back up C is Solomon Jones. Meanwhile we have 3 of the top 25 PGs in the league.

Mo is good and that's why we trade him for other good players which are needed much more. At full roster strength, Mo plays 20mins per game. Its a waste when we have also run Foye, Gomes Cook and Jones out there every day. We should be able to flip him for depth at the wing and/or center and be a better, more complete team. Mo is the only trade asset we have left (Chauncey is not tradable and we need to keep the young cheap guys)...Use him to get better as a unit now, to just let him walk at the end of the season states that we went all in for a one-year run at the championship and that is not what this should be about. Get better now and for the future by trading for a solid wing and/or solid C under contract for at least a couple years.

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We are not trading any of our PGs. Injuries will be a big factor this season. If we didn't have Mo while CP3 was out, we would have lost to Dallas and you saw what happened vs Twolves when he was ejected. Depth is going to be our friend.

I like how VDN has been taking Billups out early in the first qtr around the 6 minute mark. He will be fresh down the stretch and make big plays. The game vs the Twolves, he was worn out and made bone head plays and he came up short on that layup.

VDN is starting to get better with his rotation now that he's taken Cook out of it. But for some reason, I think he'll play him on Wed.

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Side note: reports say EJ has a fractured kneecap

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Whne Bledsoe can play like Mo has the last 3 games,,we can trade Mo. Until then,,not.

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Ej , ThTs terrible !! I like his gm wow

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You're making my point for me. Depth is definitely important and that's why I want to trade one of our 4 PG's. We have too much depth at the PG and PF and zero depth at the other positions. Mo has been vital to our recent wins but we'll have Bledsoe back in a week...And there will be zero PT available for him. If we could keep him and trade Billups, I'd do it. But it's not possible to trade an amnestied player so we have to move Mo. If and when Caron or DJ go down, we are completely screwed. Need depth at all positions not just PG.

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Wow. Wonder if he wishes he would have taken a 5year 50mil extension from Olshey. If he's out for the season, he won't get that much this summer.

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You're making my point for me. Depth is definitely important and that's why I want to trade one of our 4 PG's. We have too much depth at the PG and PF and zero depth at the other positions. Mo has been vital to our recent wins but we'll have Bledsoe back in a week...And there will be zero PT available for him. If we could keep him and trade Billups, I'd do it. But it's not possible to trade an amnestied player so we have to move Mo. If and when Caron or....

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TheDude wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
Side note: reports say EJ has a fractured kneecap

Wow. Wonder if he wishes he would have taken a 5year 50mil extension from Olshey. If he's out for the season, he won't get that much this summer.

With Gordon out for most of the season and the T-Wolves surging, the CP3 trade is looking better and better. Kaman looks to be the same 7 footer playing as if he's 6'3" and Aminu has been completely non-existent so far this year.

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^^^yup most of us were pretty confident going into the season prior to the trade but with EG's annual injury problems, Kaman's inconsistency, and Aminu straight sucking again...Could have been the "same ol Clippers" if not for the trade.

Olshey was bold and very very smart to make that deal.

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Clipper*joe and The Dude, what is your evidence supporting your absolute certainty that Mo will walk at the end of this season? Both of you have stated in no uncertain terms that you are positive he will leave. Prove it. Give us at least a single scintilla of support for that claim other than your own opinion.

If not, then why won't either of you at least consider the possibility that your instincts on this might be wrong, and that we might be able to keep Mo?

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^^ Ease up there, Champ. That is my opinion based on what he agreed to when he was traded ( didn't opt in his full contract), what is still being said as late as yesterday ( not happy coming off the bench- Post game show yesterday afternoon), and just a gut instinct. There is no "smoking gun" here, my opinion is based on what I've read.

I had no idea that a fan message board had to have everything substantiated. Of course my instincts could be wrong, Mo didn't call me up and give me his decision. lol

Maybe I should qualify every post with :

* I can't prove it, but it's my opinion.

Dude, it' just message board fodder.

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Why would Mo stay at the end of the year? He is still a starting caliber PG in this league and somebody will overpay him for his services. Too many times people get so caught up in the players loving it in certain places and owing it to the team. When it is all said and done, the main thing they want is money. Ultimately someone will pay him a lot more than the Clippers are willing to give him to be a 6th man. Rarely, do players take a pay cut to help the team. In all sports, the only recent person I can think of that did this was Jered Weaver (LA Angels). These athletes want their money

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i'm so damn proud of mo right now for keeping his head right, a pouting star is worthless and actually a detriment to da team - see andray blatche....he's obviously the frontrunner for six man of the year award right now, and if he keeps it up and wins it, he'll be begging us to stay on, i think...

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maybe cp3 injury was blessing in disguise cuz it allowed mo to carve out his role/niche and the rotation will stay similar when cp3 comes back, since foye was filling in as starter....this could be real good.............

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Trade him for who though?

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Lol I could ask you to prove he won't leave but that is IMPOSSIBLE to prove so I won't waste anyone's time.

But I think a lot of reasons to make this educated guess have already been offered.

*A ton of teams will have cap space this summer and there's only one better PG available. He would undoubtedly get a 4year offer worth more than 8.5mil per year.

*He's 29years old and this is his last chance to get a long term deal. Why would he wait until he's 30years old to try to get this done? Dude is still borderline in his prime right now, you start going down quickly at 30 and every GM knows this.

*He's going to have pretty high value this summer the way he's been playing. You don't wait a year and risk a terrible injury to get your contract, you do it right away.

*Beyond the fact that he'll be older, he'd also be opting in knowing full well he's a bench player for another year. Of course this reduces your value the following summer.

*He thinks he's a starter in this league and he's right. Any self respecting player would try to go to a team where he can start as opposed to being a 3rd stringer on our team.

But that's not the only reason why I want to trade him.

Our financial situation:

Next year we have about 50mil committed to Caron, DJ, Blake, CP3, Bledsoe, Gomes, Trey, and Leslie. 8 guys and we're only 8mil under the cap. Keep Mo in town and we're already over the cap with 5 roster spots to fill.

The following year Gomes' 4mil falls off but Blake will get a 10mil raise. We'll have 7 guys on the roster and will be right at the cap....Point being we can afford Mo next season but there's absolutely no way we will extend him beyond that. He'll be a lame duck in 2012-2013 season and would spend the whole season as a trade rumor....He'd be staying just to stay for one year knowing full well he's gone at the end of the year or more likely a guy who's traded to Cleveland at the deadline. Not a fun situation for Mo.

Our current roster:

8 of our 14 players are either a PG or PF. What's worse is our starters at these two positions are superstars so depth at these positions is the least important. We are extremely unbalanced. We need a solid rotational wing and/or center....What we don't need is a stable of all-star PG's when only one should be on the floor at any time.

By my count we have 9 guys on this team that are worthy of being in a good team's rotation:

PG: CP3, Billups, Mo, EB

SG: Foye

SF: Caron

PF: Blake, Evans

C: DJ

Do you see what's wrong with this picture? We're 4 deep at PG and 1 deep at 3 positions. We have a problem and it can fixed by moving Mo.

There's a million trade scenarios which would make us a better more complete team but just an example of something reasonable, what if we moved him for Gortat and Dudley.

PG: CP3, Billups, EB

SG: Foye, Duds

SF: Caron, Duds

PF: Blake, Evans

C: DJ, Gortat

That's just one example and there will be a lot of opportunities in the next few weeks as good teams realize they're good and need one more piece...and bad teams decide to blow it up. I'd take Lamar over just about anyone because this one guy creates depth at 4 positions either directly or indirectly...But there's a ton of moves we could make which help this roster find balance and versatility going into the playoffs and subsequent seasons.

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TheDude wrote:
Lol I could ask you to prove he won't leave but that is IMPOSSIBLE to prove so I won't waste anyone's time.

I didn't make the claim he won't leave, all I am saying is it's not certain he will leave. YOU made this claim though "Mo is gone no matter what happens..."

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But I think a lot of reasons to make this educated guess have already been offered.

*A ton of teams will have cap space this summer and there's only one better PG available. He would undoubtedly get a 4year offer worth more than 8.5mil per year.

*He's 29years old and this is his last chance to get a long term deal. Why would he wait until he's 30years old to try to get this done? Dude is still borderline in his prime right now, you start going down quickly at 30 and every GM knows this.

*He's going to have pretty high value this summer the way he's been playing. You don't wait a year and risk a terrible injury to get your contract, you do it right away.

*Beyond the fact that he'll be older, he'd also be opting in knowing full well he's a bench player for another year. Of course this reduces your value the following summer.

*He thinks he's a starter in this league and he's right. Any self respecting player would try to go to a team where he can start as opposed to being a 3rd stringer on our team.

Those are all fine points to support your educated guess, but it doesn't amount to "Mo is gone no matter what".

The rest of your post was about why we should trade Mo, which is a different issue than whether or not we can or will keep him.

I think if we wanted to, we at least have a shot at keeping him, at least for one more year. I have not seen anything that indicates he will leave no matter what, it's just a matter or persuading him to stay. It worked with Odom on the Lakers, who was going through just this sort of thing before the team persuaded him to stay. I think it could work with Mo too. I'd say 6th man of the year is better than "good" starter on your average NBA team.

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^^Anything is possible I guess but Lamar got resigned and we'll never resign Mo unless all hell breaks loose and something happens with CP3.

It's MUCH more likely that he'll opt out than stay and I'd rather play the odds instead of holding my breath for a miracle. (Plus I think we're simply a better team now if we move him for similar talent at a position of need.)

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I'm with you TheDude, but I want to wait and see how Bledsoe plays. Mo is a big part of our success, but if Bledsoe can contribute some of what he does, I would be open to trade him for a big and a wing. Gortat would be a dream but I see Robin Lopez as more reasonable along with Dudley.

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would any of you trade mo by the march 15th deadline for a first round lottery pick in the top 15????

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No.

I doubt any of the lottery picks will have the scoring ability Mo has now in their first few years of NBA play. He is uncanny, unconscious, and amazing. He keeps us in games when the rest of the second team is unable to help keep the game close. Defensively the second team has some skills, but offensively Mo is the only consistent, day-in and day-out scorer we have on the reserves. You might say the same thing again for our starters.

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