Mo Williams to be traded soon? (P. 4)

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tense2
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No, because there's nobody with a top 15 pick that's a PO contender that would need Mo's skills. Won't happen.

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The new salary cap restrictions and luxury taxes are going to turn the NBA into a whole new ball game. There won't be teams like the Lakers with all-stars coming off the bench, etc. The league will be much more balanced as most teams will refuse to go much over the cap... Perhaps there will be a few owners who are so rich they don't mind losing multi millions, but I doubt it...

Even Mark Cuban let a number of players walk from a championship team rather than re-up them and try to repeat... Teams will have to do it with a mix of young players on their rookie deals, to go with a superstar or, in our case, two...

Next years team will be;

PG Paul

SG ?

SF Butler

PF Griffin

C DJ

Reserves; Gomes, Bledsoe, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

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^^ Mark Cuban is shedding contracts and making space for D12 and Deron. Bold move.

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cuban's trying to make a super big 3 by acquiring dwight and deron in the off season, while keeping dirk on the team.

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Anybody thought about the fact that if Mo does leave at the end of the season ,he'll free up cap space which we could use on free agents like Budinger , Dragic , Fields........etc.

Point is we keep Mo as long as he's willing to stay ,If he leaves then we'll have the cap flexibility to go into the free agent market and strengthen our squad.

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clipper*joe wrote:
^^ Mark Cuban is shedding contracts and making space for D12 and Deron. Bold move.

clipperstown wrote:
cuban's trying to make a super big 3 by acquiring dwight and deron in the off season, while keeping dirk on the team.

He'll get it done, too.

If you were Howard would you rather play with aging Kobe and aging Gasol (assuming he's not part of the deal, which is a BIG assumption) in the shadow of Shaq, or D-Will in his prime and aging Dirk (shooters never lose their touch).

Added to that, the Lakers have Kobe eating up $30,000,000 of cap so one has to assume the role players in Dallas would be better. Seems obvious to me that those two are Texas-bound.

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cleepers wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
^^ Mark Cuban is shedding contracts and making space for D12 and Deron. Bold move.

clipperstown wrote:
cuban's trying to make a super big 3 by acquiring dwight and deron in the off season, while keeping dirk on the team.

He'll get it done, too.

If you were Howard would you rather play with aging Kobe and aging Gasol (assuming he's not part of the deal, which is a BIG assumption) in the shadow of Shaq, or D-Will in his prime and aging Dirk (shooters never lose their touch).

Added to that, the Lakers have Kobe eating up $30,000,000 of cap so one has to assume the role players in Dallas would be better. Seems obvious to me that those two are Texas-bound.

you also forgot to add a crappy coach and a crappy owner ( mike brown and jim buss)

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I'd be cautious about Howard and DWill ending up in Dallas...remember when NY freed up all that $ for you know who and look what they ended up with. Funny things can happen.

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true, but dwight and deron are different players than amare and melo are. when melo got traded there, I thought to myself what kind of mess that was going to be. IMO, those 2 players don't go well together. neither have any D, both hare ball stoppers, and amare's offense relied heavily on the pick and roll. imo, d will and howard are better and more complete players than amare and melo, and will be going to a better organization.

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clipperstown wrote:
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I'd be cautious about Howard and DWill ending up in Dallas...remember when NY freed up all that $ for you know who and look what they ended up with. Funny things can happen.

true, but dwight and deron are different players than amare and melo are. when melo got traded there, I thought to myself what kind of mess that was going to be. IMO, those 2 players don't go well together. neither have any D, both hare ball stoppers, and amare's offense relied heavily on the pick and roll. imo, d will and howard are better and more complete players than amare and melo, and will be going to a better organization.

I was not questioning the players talents or how they all mix together, just the fact that NY freed up all that money and everybody had James and his NY Yankee cap heading there...and then came reality. lol

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If Howard goes to the Lakers, it will be via sign and trade I thought. And if he goes to the Mavericks, that would be done in the off-season. I thought that meant Howard would be sacrificing 30 some odd million if he waited for free agency, I wouldn't do that if I were Howard.

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sz123456 wrote:
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If you were Howard would you rather play with aging Kobe and aging Gasol (assuming he's not part of the deal, which is a BIG assumption) in the shadow of Shaq, or D-Will in his prime and aging Dirk (shooters never lose their touch).

Added to that, the Lakers have Kobe eating up $30,000,000 of cap so one has to assume the role players in Dallas would be better. Seems obvious to me that those two are Texas-bound.

If Howard goes to the Lakers, it will be via sign and trade I thought. And if he goes to the Mavericks, that would be done in the off-season. I thought that meant Howard would be sacrificing 30 some odd million if he waited for free agency, I wouldn't do that if I were Howard.

You may be right, but winning rings will provide more than enough opportunities to make up for the lost $. Cuban can also find a way to funnel cash to DH outside of the NBA pay structure if he's so inclined.

We could all be wrong anyway, since it appears that the Knicks could be entering the Howard sweepstakes now, and they have a great package to offer ORL. Personally, I don't really care where he goes. As good as he is, I don't believe he has the heart of a true winner. It'll just be nice to see lakers fans crying again if they don't get him.

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I'd be cautious about Howard and DWill ending up in Dallas...remember when NY freed up all that $ for you know who and look what they ended up with. Funny things can happen.

true, but dwight and deron are different players than amare and melo are. when melo got traded there, I thought to myself what kind of mess that was going to be. IMO, those 2 players don't go well together. neither have any D, both hare ball stoppers, and amare's offense relied heavily on the pick and roll. imo, d will and howard are better and more complete players than amare and melo, and will be going to a better organization.

I was not questioning the players talents or how they all mix together, just the fact that NY freed up all that money and everybody had James and his NY Yankee cap heading there...and then came reality. lol

Yeah that sucked for them lmao

But I think with Dallas, it wouldn't be a huge blow if they dont land anyone, cause the team was old and needed to be rebuilt anyways, so I'm guessing he was going to tear the team apart even if d will and Dwight weren't FA's this season. But who knows, it will be an interesting off season.

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PLEASE DONT TRADE MO PLEASE DONT DO IT

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Your in a Clippers forum but can't stop talking about the Lakers.

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ROMEO wrote:
cleepers wrote:

If you were Howard would you rather play with aging Kobe and aging Gasol (assuming he's not part of the deal, which is a BIG assumption) in the shadow of Shaq, or D-Will in his prime and aging Dirk (shooters never lose their touch).

Added to that, the Lakers have Kobe eating up $30,000,000 of cap so one has to assume the role players in Dallas would be better. Seems obvious to me that those two are Texas-bound.

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We could all be wrong anyway, since it appears that the Knicks could be entering the Howard sweepstakes now, and they have a great package to offer ORL. Personally, I don't really care where he goes. As good as he is, I don't believe he has the heart of a true winner. It'll just be nice to see lakers fans crying again if they don't get him.

Your in a Clippers forum but can't stop talking about the Lakers.

That's nothing. You should see the Lakers forum talking about the Clippers. lol

The Lakers forums should have a sub-forum for the Clippers now based on all the forum fodder.

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Well when I landed on this website the home page talked more about the Lakers than the Clippers.

Seems more like a Lakers hate website than a Clippers fan page.

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Still. You landed here? Or were you seeking this out. I don't land anywhere, I meticulously seek something out. Just say'n.

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Howard and Williams actually want to go there, and them two getting out of the East and over the Western Conference is a blessing for both of them. They'd only really have to worry about the Thunder and potentially us if we extend Paul as threats. Teaming up in New Jersey is just awful, there's nobody there outside of Lopez and Williams and Lopez would be traded.

Marc Cuban is 50x's the owner the guy that owns the Knicks is, and is 50x's smarter. This guy took a crap awful franchise into a legit contender, 2 NBA Finals appearances and Dirk won the MVP award. Cuban is a great negotiator and will get whoever he wants.

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clipper*joe wrote:
ROMEO wrote:
Well when I landed on this website the home page talked more about the Lakers than the Clippers.

Seems more like a Lakers hate website than a Clippers fan page.

Still. You landed here? Or were you seeking this out. I don't land anywhere, I meticulously seek something out. Just say'n.

Simple.

I typed in some sign scenarios for JR Smith and landed here.

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No need to trade Mo.

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not at the moment, unless we can get something that will improve us. but i dont see that happening.

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ROMEO wrote:
cleepers wrote:

If you were Howard would you rather play with aging Kobe and aging Gasol (assuming he's not part of the deal, which is a BIG assumption) in the shadow of Shaq, or D-Will in his prime and aging Dirk (shooters never lose their touch).

Added to that, the Lakers have Kobe eating up $30,000,000 of cap so one has to assume the role players in Dallas would be better. Seems obvious to me that those two are Texas-bound.

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We could all be wrong anyway, since it appears that the Knicks could be entering the Howard sweepstakes now, and they have a great package to offer ORL. Personally, I don't really care where he goes. As good as he is, I don't believe he has the heart of a true winner. It'll just be nice to see lakers fans crying again if they don't get him.

Your in a Clippers forum but can't stop talking about the Lakers.

Nobody's holding a gun to your head, mate.

You see the word lakers... move along. Simple.

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To bring this thread back to Mo, I heard Olshey on the Petros & Money show today and he said some interesting things about Mo. He said that the stuff about an extension in Simers' article came "out of thin air." He said neither Mo, nor his agent has ever said anything to him about an extension and that, in today's NBA, asking for an extension before your contract is up just doesn't make economic sense. He also said he talks to Mo regularly and that Mo is fine and content with his role. He also said that Mo just had a really tough week last week because of his grandfather's death, etc.

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I wonder if Mo is going to get hot again or is time to trade him for a better player. I Like mo. When he was lighting it up. It was easy to see why we should keep him. But now with Billups out and MO just putting up avg numbers. There might be some good players we can get. Especially before his stock goes down. If he begins to slump. I like mo. But with the injury to Billups it seems like were missing a player or 2. If we traded Mo. What would be a good trade for a possible 6th Man of the year or a potential Starter on most teams...

vltor711
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We should try getting Nicolas Batum, cause Portland is really struggling with their PG Raymond Felton

ClipperSam
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Not a bad idea. Good Thought. How tall is Batum?

vltor711
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He's 6'8'' with very long arms making him a very good defender, upside is only 23 years

ClipperSam
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I think thats propbaly one of the better ones I have heard someone say. Anyone else come to mind?

vltor711
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Well Wilson Chandler is coming back soon his team in China is in 8th seed,but is kind of hard to get.

For a swingman probably (Terrence Williams, Jared Dudley, Cjmiles, Corey Brewer, Sam young)

ClipperSam
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Wilson Chandler is RFA tuff.

Williams I havnt seen him play I know he is with the rockets- So No

Dudley - Phx players typically cany play D - Maybe

Miles - plays like a gaurd - Maybe

Brewer - has some upside - Maybe

Young - Not enough experience - NO

I think Batum or Ariza would probably be our best bet.

Ariza can play D

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i am a hungarian sports journalist and i would like to ask a few questions from LAC fans. Can you help me?

Here they are:

How did you became Clippers fan?

What kind of feeling to be a Clippers fan? Is it cool, rebellion or something else?

How tough is the rivalry between Clippers and Lakers? Do you have strange stories?

We heard that Clippers have the most loyal fans in NBA. What does it mean exactly?

Are you travel to away games too?

Who is your favorite player and why?

This is a quite good season for the Clippers. What do you expect for the playoff? (Or is it far away yet?)

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i would do batum for bledsoe.. I wonder how easily he can stay with 2 guards in the league.. I also recall seeing a hollinger article saying Batum is one of the worst defenders in the league.

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I think Batum stays in Portland and Wallace gets traded. The youth movement is LA and Batum from all the Blazers Blogs I have read.

Ariza and that ugly contract....no.

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what about bill walker on the knicks with baron and jr he is going to warm the bench. solid D pretty nice shot

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How did you became Clippers fan?

Oddly enough, it was by chance. I was playing a NBA video game and I had to choose my team. I selected at random and picked the Clippers.

What kind of feeling to be a Clippers fan? Is it cool, rebellion or something else?

It's definately cool and exciting to be a part of the Clippers fanbase. I'm devoted to every player that has worn a Clippers' jersey.

How tough is the rivalry between Clippers and Lakers? Do you have strange stories?

Tougher than you might think. Real Lakers' and Clippers' fans all dislike each other. A playoff matchup between them would be epic.

We heard that Clippers have the most loyal fans in NBA. What does it mean exactly?

We might not have the most fans in the league, but through thick and thin, we've stuck with our terrible franchise's history.

Are you travel to away games too?

I've never traveled to an away game, solely because I've never been to any other state. If I did happen to travel to another state, I don't think I would have the money either.

Who is your favorite player and why?

As of right now, Maurice Williams. I like players that I can akin to. He's a shooter, I'm a shooter, and I like his attitude.

This is a quite good season for the Clippers. What do you expect for the playoff? (Or is it far away yet?)

To be honest, I don't have high hopes for the playoffs. I would be surprised if we made it out of the 1st round. So 1st round exit is my prediction.

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1)my father was a lakers fan in the showtime era, but when magic left, he started following the clippers. i was 4 when i started watching the clips with my dad and have followed them ever since

2) its a feeling of actually knowing who your team is. most real clips fans actually happen to know a lot about basketball, which makes us stand out from lakers fans who typically are bandwaggoners.

3)its very tough. i bleed clipper red white and blue. most of my crazy stories involve getting into physical altercations with laker fans. as of today im 8-0 in those fights. lol

4)we are definately the most loyal fans in sports period. we have had a history of disappointment and failure, yet we keep rooting proudly for our clips. i will be a clipper fan til the day i die. and im not alone in thinking like that

5) i have not traveled away because of lack of money. but since i am in pursuit of a masters degree in psychology that will change soon and believe me ill travel to some clippers games on the road

6) favorite clipper of all time for me was brent barry. air bones as he was called was an inspiration of mine when i played basketball. too bad his immaturity got him traded from the clippers. but nowadays my fave player is blake griffin since he is a competitor and plays hard every game, win or lose

7)i expect the clippers to contend for a title. however, realistically i believe they will make the western conference finals. idk if they will go past that but next year we will be champs

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i like mo, he is one of the better combo guards out there, proved his worth today with 22pts off the bench. Preseason I had him penned him to play SG but Billups got the nod instead, but going by how bad clips bench is you rather mo play 6th man anyways. If had the choice would keep him but if he is not happy then...

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I love Mo but if we can flip him for 2 players (a starting SG and a backup SF), we would have to do it.

I don't think we can go far in the playoffs without a wing defender. Parker and Ellis killed us the last two games. I love CP3's toughness but he can't spend too much energy on D as he will run out of gas late in games like last night.

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Mo Williams for Stephen Jax. TPE for Delfino. TPE for Livingston.

Milwaukee gets rid of a head case in Sjax and also saves $ and gets Mo just in case Jennings decides to pull Melo and demand a trade to a big market team.

We'll have to cut a player to make room so bye bye Cook.

tense2
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We are over the cap. But carry on.

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^^^ Not to mention, I can't see the Bucks too enthusiastic about getting rid of all their back-court players with size for Mo Williams and some cap relief.

tense2
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Didn't want too mention that...so I just stated the obvious. wink

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Sjax and Mo make the same amount. $8.5 for Mo and $9.3 for Sjax. Both Delfino and Livingston are unrestricted free agents and will look to leave this offseason.

Milwaukee is a long shot to make the playoffs. They'll draft their SG to go along with Jennings.

Mo has an opt out this summer and that could save Mil a lot of money cause Sjax is still owed $10m in 2013.

Basically Milwakuee is dumping Delfino and Shaun to get rid of their headache.

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^^^ I see the logic, but it still seems like quite a long shot to me. If it was possible, I'd be all for it. I think both Delfino and Livingston would fit in well with our current team. If we got both of them, I'd be inclined to just waive Jackson, as I really am not a fan of his.

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You can't waive a guy who has 18m left on his deal. Nor can they amnesty him since he was traded from Charlotte.

Not really sure what Milwaukee was doing trading maggette and their draft pick (Kemba walker) for Sjax and Livingston.

They do have Dunleavy and a few young players that can fill in if this trade happens.

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I through this offer to a Kings fan and he liked it I want to keep Mo but the offer was Mo and Gomes for Evans and Salmons

ClipfanSince88
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I know, I was being sarcastic about waiving him (but I really am not to big on him).

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Oh ok. Haha

Well winning fixes all problems. SJax can be a valuable piece and he can be a good backup to Caron.

In any case, Mo is our only tradeable asset that can yield us his replacement and fill other needs.

But if Olshey can use the TPE and get a wing player like Courtney lee then no need to trade Mo.

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