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Post subject: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
 Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 06:56 PM PST
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West teams continue to look for ways to load up
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... ;type=lgns
• The Los Angeles Clippers are trying to pry Mike Miller out of Memphis with an offer of expiring contracts that includes a package of Sam Cassell and Aaron Williams. The Grizzlies want the Clippers first-round pick in 2008, and so far, the Clippers are balking.
* I would do this in a heartbeat. Not sure about our 1st rnd draft pick but maybe Elgin has something up his sleeve. Please get this done!!!!!!! |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 07:00 PM PST
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| If the package was JUST, NOTHING ELSE! Cassell and Williams and a draft pick for Miller, I'd really consider it, but who knows how high our draft pick could be? But then again, who knows how high it would be if we didn't improve this team? I would prefer to add a player, rather than a draft pick, but taht would be difficult to do. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 07:33 PM PST
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| I'd do that trade in a heartbeat but not for this years draft pick maybe next years unless its lottery protected. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 08:27 PM PST
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| How about Sam, Aaron, Maggette for Miller & Mike Conley?? I dunno if that is fair or even good, but just throwing stuff out there. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 09:01 PM PST
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| we should throw Cassell, Williams and Ross for Miller!!!!! |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 09:34 PM PST
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yeah make that an 09 draft pick and i am down.
even as an 08 we gotta think hard about it...how much is miller making? would we be able to sign a PG next season? |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 09:38 PM PST
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| Er heck no- the Clipper pick could be for a special player- *NO WAY* should the Clippers give them the 08 first round pick. They get a 2nd round pick and nothing else. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 09:41 PM PST
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| Besides this would mean a log jam at the guard/SF position. We need another shooter/star player, but it should be from the point guard position. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 09:45 PM PST
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| Mike Miller, in response to clipsnasty, is making 8.25 million this year, nine million next year, and 9.75 million in the 2009-2010 season. His contract then expires. We would be giving an equal amount of money for what we would be getting in return, at least this summer, so I think we should still be able to make a deal with a PG. Also, we should give a first round draft pick that is lottery protected that would last for five years. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Clippers trying to get Mike Miller
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 10:31 PM PST
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laclippers wrote:
Mike Miller, in response to clipsnasty, is making 8.25 million this year, nine million next year, and 9.75 million in the 2009-2010 season. His contract then expires. We would be giving an equal amount of money for what we would be getting in return, at least this summer, so I think we should still be able to make a deal with a PG. Also, we should give a first round draft pick that is lottery protected that would last for five years.
Agree. I would much rather get our PG from the draft or a good vet for a good price. All this talk about getting Calderon is too far fetched anyway. there is no way Toronto is letting him go and by the looks of it, it looks like they are trying to find a buyer for Kapono in order to free up money for Calderon and Delfino. I say make the trade and keep our 1st round pick for next year and pick up a PG and maybe a veteran PG if Livingston is not ready. If we can get Miller and still keep Maggette , we won't have to struggle if Maggette decides to leave. Looks like I want my cake and eat it too.  |
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Post subject: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 10:55 PM PST
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I would do this trade if the pick it is lottery protected this year, No other way, meaning it is top lottery protected for this year, or that it is unprotected next year. Mike Miller is not worth any player in any draft 1-10. After that, he might be.
Besides, if we bring Miller in, we are stacked at small forward. Someone has to go. Maybe Maggette, but why would we want to trade him. Maybe we could trade for Jose Caldron, but we would need more than that for Maggette.
I would work something out. Why don't we trade Minesota's pick and and a lottery protected for the first round for three years.
by the way, how did the Lakers get Gasol for Kwame and a 19th pick and two future picks that are meaningless because the will be in the later first round. Atleast we can give a closer pick with Minesota unprottecd although I might keep that. |
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Post subject: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 19, 2008 - 11:39 PM PST
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tonymontana wrote:
I would do this trade if the pick it is lottery protected this year, No other way, meaning it is top lottery protected for this year, or that it is unprotected next year. Mike Miller is not worth any player in any draft 1-10. After that, he might be.
Besides, if we bring Miller in, we are stacked at small forward. Someone has to go. Maybe Maggette, but why would we want to trade him. Maybe we could trade for Jose Caldron, but we would need more than that for Maggette.
I would work something out. Why don't we trade Minesota's pick and and a lottery protected for the first round for three years.
by the way, how did the Lakers get Gasol for Kwame and a 19th pick and two future picks that are meaningless because the will be in the later first round. Atleast we can give a closer pick with Minesota unprottecd although I might keep that.
Stacked @ SF???? Maggette & Miller can play both SF and SG. Besides, Miller would be great at SG since he has a great outside shot. He is the threat that can help spread the floor. Maggette can stay @ SF if that is the case. This leaves Ross & Mobley to split the time together. Thornton is coming along and having him come off the bench is serving it's purpose for now. If we don't make a move now, we might not get a chance at a good shooter @ that price next season.
Miller & Maggette together is not a bad problem to have... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 12:00 AM PST
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Mobley, Ross, Miller, Maggette and Thornton is a logjam if you ask me. We need to take care of the PG position first, then figure out which one of those 5 is the odd man out. It'd be awesome to keep all 5, but this day in age, you cant afford to stack up like that, without leaving gaping holes in the rest of your lineup.
I say let Maggette sign elsewhere, and either draft a PG or get Calderon. Like somebody said earlier, Calderon may be very hard to get, so maybe drafting is our best option. It all depends on TJ Ford. If Ford isnt back all the way, Toronto will do everything to lock up Jose. If Ford is back to normal, there's no way Toronto would increase Calderon's salary to keep him as a backup. It's all about calculated risks.
I agree with David...We need that 1st round pick!!! We need talented youth on this team. Many of our key players are already at, or nearing peak performance age. If we can get Mike Miller, that would help, but if we cant, no big deal cuz we still are gonna need a PG. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 01:29 AM PST
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jlemmen43 wrote:
Mobley, Ross, Miller, Maggette and Thornton is a logjam if you ask me. We need to take care of the PG position first, then figure out which one of those 5 is the odd man out. It'd be awesome to keep all 5, but this day in age, you cant afford to stack up like that, without leaving gaping holes in the rest of your lineup.
I say let Maggette sign elsewhere, and either draft a PG or get Calderon. Like somebody said earlier, Calderon may be very hard to get, so maybe drafting is our best option. It all depends on TJ Ford. If Ford isnt back all the way, Toronto will do everything to lock up Jose. If Ford is back to normal, there's no way Toronto would increase Calderon's salary to keep him as a backup. It's all about calculated risks.
I agree with David...We need that 1st round pick!!! We need talented youth on this team. Many of our key players are already at, or nearing peak performance age. If we can get Mike Miller, that would help, but if we cant, no big deal cuz we still are gonna need a PG.
I beg to differ. Ross, Miller, Maggette can play 2 positions which makes this team that much versatile. Remember, we are a low post team and we are stacked on that end with Brand & Kaman. Now, the SF & SG is what we need more of IMHO. The PG position can be taken care of in the off-season
or in the draft. We still have Livingston & Brevin. I would much rather have a ball handler than a Shooter handling the ball only because our offense works better that way. Our biggest problem has been a lack of an outside threat which made us one dimensional and predictable. I don't want that anymore.
Aside from that, I also believe that Calderon will give TJ a run for his money at the starting position. If you look at Calderon, he has been increasing his numbers year after year and from the looks of it, he is averaging more than TJ this year on just about every category. I think this guy is just too good to let go right now and I am sure Toronto is feeling the same way. If you think they will just let him go or sit him over TJ Ford after his return, you got another thing coming. I bet anyone that he will stay in Toronto and see Ford going else where if it comes down to money at the end of the season. I say we stop this pipe dream and look at something tangible and realistic. Oh, and if by some strange chance we have an opportunity at bidding for him, how much duckets do you think we can possibly offer considering we have other players we need to take care of? Do you think we could actually contend with other teams with bigger salary cap space????
Here are this season's averages :
TJ FORD
PPG 12.1 RPG 2.00 APG 6.6
JOSE CALDERON
PPG 12.9 RPG 3.10 APG 8.9 |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 12:08 PM PST
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Because we are a low post team, all the more need to have guys who can hit the outside jumper, otherwise defenses sag back in on our big men. Miller is averaging all star numbers at 21 PPG with a healthy shooting percentage. He is just what the doctor ordered. If we could get him for Sam, who is gone anyway, and Williams, who is a backup, it would be the steal of the century. If we get Kyle is the process, all the better. He is a PG, isn't he?
Kaman
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Miller
Livingston or Kyle
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 12:33 PM PST
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| i also disagree with the logjam comments. Miller is a better passer than people give him credit for as well, ans Maggette and Thornton are both bad passers, and I hate to say it but I dont see either of them developing much there. Having miller could take some pressure of the PG and let thorn and mags do what they do best, score. imagine a second unit w/ mobley and thornton (and/or ross), not too bad... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 02:18 PM PST
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I think that no way we should trade our draft pick this year, too...We have fought so hard the whole season to give away this present  . I agree with clipnasty that Miller is a good passer, in fact he has played as PG some games for the Grizz years ago. And about Gette and Thornton IMO we should look for something different...they are good players but similar and I can't see how they can fit playing at the same time. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 09:05 PM PST
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| Maggette and Thornton are playing well together, but without Brand and without a PG, we're still gonna lose when teams attack those areas. Therefore, one has to theoretically go in order to make room for biggger issues on the team. Thornton is their man of the future, and has years remaining and a ton of potential, so you gotta stick with him. If we can somehow re-sign Brand, Maggette and pick up a good enough PG, then we can keep both, but I dont see ALL of that happening. Things looked good with us expecting Shaun & Elton to be uninjured, and Shaun improved but that didnt happen. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 10:21 PM PST
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Hey it's been a long time since i logged on!
Sorry people!
Laptop Problems!
Glad to be back!
K now to business.
I believe that in order for the LA Clippers to succeed this year, next year and many years to come, they have to invest on 2 major moves: Draft Pick & High Trade Value.
This years draft is fully loaded with very skilled players. It wont be hard to find talent but harder to find that player that will mesh with the group that the Clippers have currently. I say draft a PG/SG shooter. 3 players in mind (if decides to enter draft):
Eric Gordon
Derrick Rose
Ty Lawson
Seriously. As hard & harsh this may be...the Clippers cannot afford to wait for Livingston to develop. The Organization have been on the edge of embarrassment for years now and some of the franchise players that the team has are not getting any younger (except for Thornton). Keep Brand, Maggette, Kaman & play Thornton more so that he'll develop that Killer Instinct in which the likes of L.James, Bryants...etc.
If the Chargers are leaning towards trading within the core of the Clippers, Sam Cassell must be the first in line. Not getting any younger and besides his amazing leadership, leading the team is not enough. Cassell may lead by others may not follow..anymore.
Trade: Cassell, Williams, Thomas, a future draft pick and Cash Value!
I just hope that we still have enough time to salvage some wins what has been a very disappointing season. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 - 10:21 PM PST
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Hey it's been a long time since i logged on!
Sorry people!
Laptop Problems!
Glad to be back!
K now to business.
I believe that in order for the LA Clippers to succeed this year, next year and many years to come, they have to invest on 2 major moves: Draft Pick & High Trade Value.
This years draft is fully loaded with very skilled players. It wont be hard to find talent but harder to find that player that will mesh with the group that the Clippers have currently. I say draft a PG/SG shooter. 3 players in mind (if decides to enter draft):
Eric Gordon
Derrick Rose
Ty Lawson
Seriously. As hard & harsh this may be...the Clippers cannot afford to wait for Livingston to develop. The Organization have been on the edge of embarrassment for years now and some of the franchise players that the team has are not getting any younger (except for Thornton). Keep Brand, Maggette, Kaman & play Thornton more so that he'll develop that Killer Instinct in which the likes of L.James, Bryants...etc.
If the Clippers are leaning towards trading within the core of the Clippers, Sam Cassell must be the first in line. Not getting any younger and besides his amazing leadership, leading the team is not enough. Cassell may lead by others may not follow..anymore.
Trade: Cassell, Williams, Thomas, a future draft pick and Cash Value!
I just hope that we still have enough time to salvage some wins what has been a very disappointing season. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 21, 2008 - 11:21 AM PST
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| we need to do this trade the west is getting better and the clippers need to do a move and give up that 1st round pick |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: No way give up this years pick!
Posted: Feb 21, 2008 - 07:22 PM PST
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| I agree Clips84 about Livingston and that we need to get more talented youth. |
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