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Post subject: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
 Posted: Feb 21, 2008 - 12:03 PM PST
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What's the deal with the Clippers? Donald Sterling & Elgin Baylor had me convinced 2 years ago that these aren't the Clippers of old.
Every team in the Pacific division has made a move this year to improve whether it is for the short run or the long run with the exception of the Clippers.
12 out of the 15 teams in the West ALL made moves mid-season of last year and this year with the exception of the Rockets, Hornets & Clippers!
(Hornets & Rockets are were they need to be)
After missing the playoffs last year by 2 games, and due to injuries this season.......the Clippers remain the same.
1 year later, 1 year older, to many questions, not enough answers......
Will Brand & Maggette resign?
Looking at the 2008/2009 season, with what he have, this team doesn't look promising at all.
Corey Maggette- unclear whether he'll stay or go, but if he stays, I hope this will be the Maggette that we have been witnessing the past 10 games, and not the Maggette who has the potential, because his time is NOW.
Elton Brand- Is he committed to staying with the Clippers, or will he want a chance to play with a competitor?
What can the Clippers promise him or lure him to stay?
Sam Cassell-Served his purpose for the time that he was here. he was a 3 pointer away from getting to the Western Conference Finals 2 years ago.
He will be looking to play for a contender in his final year if he is not traded in a couple of hours.
Chris Kaman- A breakout year this year, but it looks like he is coming back to earth after this long tumultuous season. I hope he can produce the same as this year and continue to produce double doubles.
Cutino Mobley- Saavy veteran, role player off the bench, 1 year older, had his days
Tim Thomas-a.k.a Fools Gold / a product of the system.......Looks like General Management fell into his trap, and the paid him big and now we are stuck with him. He's an OK 3 point shooter, but not a mike miller, or how he was in Phoenix. The guy doesn't play defense, and is 1 dimensional.
Q. Ross- Speaking of 1 dimensional, he is a good utility/role player, but lacks offense when he's on the floor. Doesn't really do anything for the Clippers. Starts the game, and is on the bench with 5 minutes left in the 1st quarter.
Aaron Williams- Decaying on the bench, just a big man that takes up space....old, old, old his good old days were back in Jersey
Josh Powell....who?
Paul Davis- Not sure what to think of him, he has a commercial that I wouldn't be to proud of. I haven't seen him do anything in 2 years, so the jury is still out on him
Sean Livingston-Not sure what to expect next year. He took a step back, and we will have to wait and see how he comes back.
Overall......Next year the Clippers need to re-sign Brand & Maggette, Kaman needs to continue to improve, and show up next year.
Clippers need a Point guard and a shooting guard to compliment the interior offense.
There bench is suspect, and they need to increase depth with YOUNG talent, but I would like to keep Mobley, and get rid of Powell, Thomas, Ross & Williams.
This team needs a lot of work before we can return to the Clippers of 2005/2006 or better.
If the Donald Sterling spends BIG money on Maggette & Brand, will he be willing or will he even have money to spend on a Shooting guard and a Point guard?
Or will Sterling sign Brand, let Maggette depart, and use his money elsewhere? |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 21, 2008 - 03:10 PM PST
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| agree i could not have said it better the clippers need some real changes and why dosent thomas play 100% every game if he cpuld put up 20 points per game we could win and he can out it up thats why nj drafetd him 6 overall and the clipppers need to get a point guard who can get assits because e got shoters already |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 21, 2008 - 07:28 PM PST
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| I think you were a bit too negative on a bunch of things in your post, clipperfan714. There are a lot of concerns, but I'm seeing more positives than negatives. Yes things need to be done this offseason, MAJOR THINGS, but all the players on our team can play well when used right and with a good enough lineup around them. The offseason will determine whether we get a solid lineup or are still filled with holes. |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 21, 2008 - 07:59 PM PST
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| You sound like my wife.....she says that I am to negative and that I always look at the glass half empty. I guess you could say it's just frustration after not seeing anything get done. I have to put trust in management that is iffy and still somewhat questionable. |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 21, 2008 - 08:10 PM PST
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| Yeah I understand your frustration and yeah you could look at the glass half empty and be accurate. I'll be good cop, you be bad cop and we'll interrogate this team until they give us what we want (WINS!!) |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 12:50 AM PST
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Yeah I know it's hard clipperfan714, but like JLemm said- you have to look at the future. Even if we got Miller is that going to take us to the playoffs? The answer is no- not even close. He'll get us a few more wins but so what if we don't make the playoffs? Plus we'd lose a lot of financial flexibility in the offseason with Miller's contract on board. Come on man, you can't be a Clipper fan and not be able to deal with disappointment?  Still this is not a lost season- we'll be able to keep watch on the development of Thornton and the continued improvement by Kaman. Heck Maggette has been stellar recently too. And I can't wait to see EB and Shaun play again this season. GO CLIPS!!! |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 12:59 AM PST
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BTW I disagree with your overly negative assessments, esp. on Thomas & Ross. Q is having a tough shooting year, but I wouldn't want to see him on another team. Thomas has actually improved his midrange and post up game, and I don't think his D is all that shabby. Also Aaron Williams has been hurt- otherwise he'd contribute more this season.
Also what would have YOU done if you were the management since you're so critical of them? |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 01:13 AM PST
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| Aaron Williams is a workhorse. He fights every night that he plays. If we got a spot leftover to add minor depth to the roster, I'd sign him back to a min. contract. We need a backup for Kaman. Just someone decent or young...maybe Paul Davis?? who knows...but I'd keep A-Will for minimum if possible. |
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Post subject: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 01:58 AM PST
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| Agree, Williams still plays great for a role player and I often wondered why he doesn't play more. Powell is a scrapper but looks uncoordinated on the floor. Good ol' Aaron plays solid and would keep him if nothing else pops up in the off-season. |
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 02:15 AM PST
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I think we should have traded someone...mainly Sam Cassell. He's a player who had many teams interested and we could have got someone useful for him. Sammy will leave the team this summer for nothing so...And I insist on it was a nice way to tell him thanks for all he has given us.
To sum up we will continue this season with the only goal to see Thornton's improvements because as a team I would say that we should fall the deepest the better in the standings for getting a good pick this next summer. |
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 07:14 AM PST
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we have...strong team...but injurys....that is our only problem...
next year...we would be...in the playoffs...for sure... |
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 08:36 AM PST
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| One thing to consider is that we've been so busted up physically and emotionally that we don't know what the team's all about. EB isn't back. CK is a new player and there is s rising star in Thornton. Thomas has been playing large. Also it's been Corey's team lately. How's this all gonna gel? The season's shot as far as PO's The rest of the season should be to see how the guys play together. Then we'll see what type of player we really need A trade is wasted if it isn't for next yr. |
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Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 11:52 AM PST
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| WE ARE STRONG!!!! THE WHOLE WORLD WILL SEE THAT NEXT YEAR!! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 12:28 PM PST
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david wrote:
BTW I disagree with your overly negative assessments, esp. on Thomas & Ross. Q is having a tough shooting year, but I wouldn't want to see him on another team. Thomas has actually improved his midrange and post up game, and I don't think his D is all that shabby. Also Aaron Williams has been hurt- otherwise he'd contribute more this season.
Also what would have YOU done if you were the management since you're so critical of them?
What part of management can I be?
I personally believe that I would improve the Clippers and most are unable to do so because some managers on our team don't have maps, and I believe that our team such as the Lakers and the Detroit should help the Clippers and everywhere like such as should help the Clippers so we will be able to build up our future!
1st I would not have given Dumbleavy a contract extension.......
Would have looked to trade Cassell only for someone worthy......no draft picks.
Made extra efforts to get Kaman in the all star game
Made extra efforts to get Thorton in the rookie challenge
Start looking for perimeter players.......
Continued to be critical because someone has to do it. You all are to nice on these message boards.
I am a pretty demanding person, and once I have that smell of victory, I want more, and do what ever it will take to stay on top.
Go CLIPS |
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Post subject: Re: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 01:48 PM PST
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clipperfan714 wrote:
david wrote:
BTW I disagree with your overly negative assessments, esp. on Thomas & Ross. Q is having a tough shooting year, but I wouldn't want to see him on another team. Thomas has actually improved his midrange and post up game, and I don't think his D is all that shabby. Also Aaron Williams has been hurt- otherwise he'd contribute more this season.
Also what would have YOU done if you were the management since you're so critical of them?
What part of management can I be?
I personally believe that I would improve the Clippers and most are unable to do so because some managers on our team don't have maps, and I believe that our team such as the Lakers and the Detroit should help the Clippers and everywhere like such as should help the Clippers so we will be able to build up our future!
1st I would not have given Dumbleavy a contract extension.......
Would have looked to trade Cassell only for someone worthy......no draft picks.
Made extra efforts to get Kaman in the all star game
Made extra efforts to get Thorton in the rookie challenge
Start looking for perimeter players.......
Continued to be critical because someone has to do it. You all are to nice on these message boards.
I am a pretty demanding person, and once I have that smell of victory, I want more, and do what ever it will take to stay on top.
Go CLIPS
I have to admit I like your persistence and constructive criticism but I think you made a few points that really have nothing to do with management.
First, Dunleavy deserved an extension considering the play-off run in 2005-2006 season. Secondly he brought in Cassell that made all the difference in world in making the play-offs that season. Thirdly, if it wasn't for Dunleavy standing behind Kaman in his contract extention, we wouldn't
see him improve like he has this season. Dunleavy believed in him more than Sterling.
Kaman making the All Star team really had nothing to do management but more to do with the politics of popularity. The fans vote the players in and the coaches of the West decide the balance of the team. Considering the West is more top heavy in talent than the East, it didn't surprise me too much that he was left out. By the Way, in a perfect world Kaman should have been in that All Star team with the numbers he had up to that point. It was politics not lack of effort.
Again, Thornton not making the rookie team has nothing to do with Management, it had all to do with his playing inconsistent and not enough playing time. Considering we have Maggette at SF, it was a pretty "no brainer" on who should start at that spot. Sometimes a coach has to worry more about a team than one particular player making the ALL STAR weekend. Look at him now? He is becoming more consistent and is becoming a go to guy. Funny how fast he improved after the snub.
I agree we should have looked to trade Cassell but only if we were to get Miller. The problem was Memphis wanted our draft pick. The trade was good up until that point and even though I am a little disappointed, it was the right choice. In all honesty, I think they tried and I have confidence in Baylor and Dunleavy that they made the right choice in staying put. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 03:09 PM PST
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| the clippers have not made any changes we had the chance to get a good player and we did not the Denver nuggets were given JR SMITH and why couldn’t the clippers get it done he is a very good player and we could have gotten him and give up Sam know we will not get anything for Sam. That was an easy deal that Denver had for us and why didn't the clippers trade Corey for a good player I am 100% sure he will leave this team at the en of the season because he is playing very good and different teams will offer him more money and we will have to worry about Elton I just hope this will not effect the team next season we need to get Elgin Baylor fire and bring in another guy who is not scare of making moves that is how Mitch from the Lakers was getting criticize and why not Elgin he needs to make a major move to make this team a contender next year because the west is getting very strong. |
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david
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 22, 2008 - 07:27 PM PST
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| Good rebuttal CJ- repped! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: CLIPPERS always on the outside looking IN
Posted: Feb 24, 2008 - 01:21 PM PST
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| Two things keep us on the outside looking in. One the Clippers do not get any respect. That is the reason Kaman is not an All Star, and the reason Thorton, who is one of the 5 best rookies, was not on the Rookie team. So potential trading partners do not value our players as highly as they should. Being in last place doesn't help. Secondly, making trade decisions by committee is a failed policy. You need one person in charge, who is soley responsible for pulling the trigger. |
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