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it's only appropriate because it's now obvious even to his doubters that he's becoming a factor off the bench. we all know that no one off the bench can bring the intensity and scoring prowess that mo brings.

Mo Williams Best 6th man this team EVER had period.

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^ Couldn't agree more. And here's a great story on him: Mo Williams Near Perfect in Return to Lineup - By Eric Patten Mo Williams squatted down at midcourt with his arms spread out along the red pad atop the scorer’s table at Staples Center, looking somewhat like a plane in a holding pattern. He waited to enter the game for the first time since playing through a sore right foot for 21 minutes a week ago against the Heat. After sitting out three straight games, including Tuesday’s 29-point loss at Utah, Williams made a near-perfect return. He scored in bundles, sparked the fast....

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I have been saying it all along. Mo is one of the best weapons that we have. And when our other weapons go to the bench, he steps in and adds another dimension that includes a high energy that sometimes takes the offense up to a higher level. Who would I trade Mo for.....nobody. With him we are 8-4. Without him we are 6-6.

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to think some people thought randy foye can fill in the void off the bench is plain laughable. randy foye is like 2 for 100 in his last field goal attempts

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As an exercise, if you start ranking the guards in the league, Mo will be in everyone's top 25. Foye on the other hand is not in anyone's top 50, unless you are a friend or relative of his.

Foye has some talent. VDN has him looking better than he ever played Washington and Minnie. His career has been spotty, but with the Clips he looks like a consistent and hard worker. Great pickup by Olshey.

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alan310 wrote:
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to think some people thought randy foye can fill in the void off the bench is plain laughable. randy foye is like 2 for 100 in his last field goal attempts

As an exercise, if you start ranking the guards in the league, Mo will be in everyone's top 25. Foye on the other hand is not in anyone's top 50, unless you are a friend or relative of his.

Foye has some talent. VDN has him looking better than he ever played Washington and Minnie. His career has been spotty, but with the Clips he looks like a consistent and hard worker. Great pickup by Olshey.

randy foye needs starter minutes to produce. and that's why he's so inconsistent

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I wonder if Mo making a strong case for 6th man award this year will help convince him that this team is where he belongs rather than starting elsewhere. He looks so natural out there as an instant scorer off the bench, very Jason Terry-esque, really want him to stay and not trade him for some role player that we think we need and ends up making us worse. Honestly if we lose Mo, I don't know how our bench will find any consistent scoring, seeing as the natural replacement would be for a defensive guard or a quality big man.

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Mo will not win 6th man of the year award with the attitude he has. His numbers need to improve as well. And be VERY aware of Ramon Sessions in Cleveland. Laugh it up but Cleveland somehow is in the top 8 of the East at this point. Mo's playing well but really needs to embrace not starting and continue to play at this level. BUT as I said in a different post, Mo will get high consideration for 6th Man if we win a lot of games, just like VDN, Olshey, Blake and CP3 will get high consideration for awards themselves. And do not be at all surprised if Caron Butler gets most improved player of the year award if he plays almost every game.

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Love Mo off the bench for us. To me, its a two horse race between Mo and Harden for 6th man. If Mo can produce similar to what he produced last night, I don't see anybody beating out Mo for the title.

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Oh yeah, forgot James Harden comes off the bench for OKlahoma City. I believe Manu Ginobili does the same for the Spurs even though he's out a few more weeks. There's stiff competition for that award. And since Lamar Odom sucks now, that's one less player Mo has to worry about

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Mo is going to need help I don't believe we should even consider trading him unless he becomes vocal but he is carrying a heavy load off the bench. Ryan Gomes has went back to being very inconsistent and missing clear open looks if anything he still seems to hustle on defense. But with that a guy who isn't shooting well and playing D does not go well when you also have Evans in the game. Team needs one more post big with a J

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If Mo is traded it'd be for a big or an actual SG that isn't 6'3" like we've had since we drafted Eric Gordon that would more than likely be our new 6th man. In all honesty folks Mo is probably gone this summer. I just can't see how we would want to pay him what 10 mill again next year with the new amnesty rule out there. That 10 mill can be used to sign someone at the PF or SG position that can back up Blake/DJ or start at SG if Chauncey leaves or retires.

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Well of course this off season that is a different story we will look to put the long term touches to the team to convince Paul to sign that extension which means new SG starter and reloading the bench. For now though we should pretty be set on this team bench unit of Bledsoe, Mo, Gomes, and Evans if we can move Foye for a big perfect if not we can probably use the three guard line up with Bledsoe, Williams, Foye, Gomes, and Evans. A small unit but could be useful in spurts to maximize bench scoring and spreading the mins and most important keeps Cook off the floor

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Nobody will want Foye, if they do their retarded. I believe Foye and Gomes have expiring contracts that we don't want to part with because it gives us cap room to offer up money to Blake and CP3, or to use towards what I said earlier, a big or a SG. I'm all for Chauncey to stay here but if he decides to retire or sign elsewhere, we need a guy that is exactly like Tony Allen to play the 2 for us. A high flying, athletic player whose got great defensive capabilities that won't cripple our offense.

Mo could also be traded this year at some point which I can see happening. As each week passes more money from this year's salary is paid and it's easier for a team to take on his contract. If he's traded it'd probably be to a non-playoff team that would more than likely amnesty him next year.

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Mo is probably going to opt out this summer anyway. He has an 8.5mil player option and it is extremely doubtful he'll pick that up. Realistically, you stay on this team another year and continue to come off the bench, teams will want to pay you bench money instead of starter money.

A lot of teams will have huge cap space this coming off season and it would be smart for him to get out of L.A. and sign long term with somebody who really needs him.

This means we won't need to amnesty him if he's still on the team at the end of the year. That could be used on Gomes if necessary but more than likely we keep him too and never use this clause.

Best thing to do is trade Mo for a wing under contract for at least another year. If we could get Lamar it would be huge for us. That dude could help us big time at both forward spots and indirectly at the SG as well because having him available at the SF allows us to use Caron at times at SG.

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Sessions???!!! Oh Rockford Taylor I knew you'd come home some day!!!

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Why would Mo want to pass up 8.5 million dollars even if he is coming off the bench as the primary bench player on a playoff team? He could play out this and next season then go sign with the Lakers who will probably be looking to sign a PG since Derek Fisher will more than likely retire this or next season. And I believe in 2 years ( after next season ) they have like 0 people under contract. Mike Brown is also the coach there, Kobe will be re-signed without a doubt. If he goes to a different team Laker fans will murder Jerry Buss. Mo would be the perfect player to play alongside Kobe as just like Lebron, Kobe controls the ball the most. Mo will be what, 31 or 32 at that time? He could easily land a 5 year, 15 million dollar deal to start and potentially make the All-Star team if the Lakers keep Bynum as well. It'd be the perfect situation.

I highly doubt any teams with loads of cap space are going to waste their money on Mo with the draft we have coming up. Teams like the Hornets, Kings, Cavs, Pistons, T-Wolves, Bobcats etc either have current PG's on their team that are good, are very young or will focus mainly around other players at different positions and just plug in people they currently have. I doubt Mo gives up 8.5 mill. That's just lunacy.

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Ummm you're saying it's lunacy for Mo to opt out of 8.5mil this summer and then a paragraph later he can "easily land" a 5year contract at 15mil per year? If he can get a 75mil contract at 31years old why wouldn't he opt out and get that now?

Of course you are completely wrong on both of your conflicting arguments (which is very difficult to achieve!)

Mo thinks he's all star caliber and while he's been playing well for a week, he's not. And he never was. Lebron got him into the ASG that one year....But he can definitely get more money if he enters free agency this summer. There are a ton of teams with cap space and only one PG who's better than him will be available this summer. Whoever doesn't get DWill will be very interested in him and the culture in that situation is that GMs will overpay. He can definitely get more than 8.5mil and this is his last chance for a long term big money contract. To wait another year, just makes him older, slower, and less attractive long term. (Do you ever wonder why every good player late in their careers opt out of their contracts when they can?) It's because the longer you wait, the worse you get, and of course you risk career ending injuries.

If you're valuable now and you can enter FA, you do it. EVERY TIME. It's lunacy not to.

And the Lakers could use him NOW. And maybe later too but you have no idea what will happen there in the meantime. You don't opt into 8.5mil when 10 teams have cap space this summer in the hopes that you can wish upon a star that the Lakers might sign you to a max deal the following year! Maybe if you're Bron you can do that. If you're Mo Williams you take the money when you can get it. Mo is not that stupid and even if he is, his agent will talk sense into him.

I've really missed our little talks Taylor.

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Mo can start the campaign by winning western conference player of the week

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^ The ejection may hurt him, but I can't think of anyone who deserves it more.

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MO IS FREAKIN MONEY!!! I agree... Best 6th man The Clippers have EVER had. We're not trading him and we don't need to trade anyone... Chauncey just need to convince Rasheed Wallace to come join Clipper Nation for a season.

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mo scored 18 points off the bench in a win against memphis

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Before the season I sensed a bit of animosity towards Mo and it seemed no one on here really liked him on our squad, for whatever reasons. He is proving and showing me why it is that I was fine with him on our squad and why I really like him. He is ******* money. Honestly, now I am surprised when he misses

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If we want to be good this year trading Mo' is a no. He sometimes is our only offensive weapon. Don't worry about this summer. If we trade him now we'll spend the summer fishin'. I wish we could dump Billups unless he starts acting like a ball handler. Bledsoe is a first date. She promises but hasn't put out yet. Potential pus*y.

Keep CP3, BG, Caron, DJ, (Billups) Mo', Foye, Gomes. Everybody else can go. See what's up with Kenyon Martin off the bench. If he's cheap and short and he's not a cancer. If we're going to be scrappy, do it right. Start Butler but pull him early for Gomes. Gomes is a much better player than he's showing. Give him some "eeeesy duces" to get him going. To the line, FT's. It's bad when your shooting % is less than your age. We need him bad. Not a bad rebounder and good "D"

DJ, BG, Gomes Billups, CP3 starters

Bench ???? KMart, Butler, Foye, Mo'

Get a center With a decent one this is a nasty team.

Tell Blake to stop kvetching at the refs and run the floor or he'll get benched letting down his team and embarrassing himself but VDN should get a few "T"'s for no calls and maybe an ejection

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Better than Corey on '06?

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Mo has been big for us this season off the bench. If he sticks with this roll, I don't see anyone else winning 6th Man of the Year but Mo. Yet it's depressing that he might be traded this year due to our log jam at PG. I wonder if they will stick with the guards we have, making no trades, in case Billups decides to leave the Clippers.

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I really dont understand some of you guys, all I hear on this forum is trade this...trade that. Let this team play together for a while!! Its a shorten season, any team that gets hot at the end can win it. Having all our guards this year has come in handy thus far. We have a solid squad, they just need to keep getting to know each other! The half court offense will improve and so will our D. The only person I would dump straight out would be Cook. Nice guy but is worthless on the court!

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This is not a solid squad. We got torched when our bench came in and when CP3 was out. We should be able to win with Mo' as a starter. With a solid squad we would have blown Memphis without Zbo out. We should have torched the TWolves. We have no back up #5 and #4 and are stuck playing three guard with guards who aren't fast. CP3 Bledsoe and Mo' maybe if Blake will stop whining.

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What do you do when Bledsoe becomes healthy? Who will play more? Neither will be happy with their playtime.

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Mo might as well be the MVP of the team right now too

he's carried us in the past few weeks

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ekker3 wrote:
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it's only appropriate because it's now obvious even to his doubters that he's becoming a factor off the bench. we all know that no one off the bench can bring the intensity and scoring prowess that mo brings.

Mo Williams Best 6th man this team EVER had period.

Better than Corey on '06?

yeah corey was great at drawing fouls but he couldnt score in spurts that's why radmanovic was brought it.

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Nice piece on Mo staying professional against adversity by Sekou Smith...

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/01/2 ... ef:nbahpt1

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Mo > Bledsoe, the sophomore is the odd man out right now in guard rotations, period. Expect to see Foye get more PT than Bledsoe.

Mo is scoring better and more easily than I've ever seen Corey do back in the days. Obviously a big factor is Mo gets the ball to start often, Corey had to be set up, so Mo can easily dictate his own shots. I've never been a big fan of Corey because how can you be that built and not finish after contact? He puts the "show" in "gun show" cuz that's all they're good for. That makes me biased, take it for what it's worth.

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ekker3 wrote:
jarca wrote:
it's only appropriate because it's now obvious even to his doubters that he's becoming a factor off the bench. we all know that no one off the bench can bring the intensity and scoring prowess that mo brings.

Mo Williams Best 6th man this team EVER had period.

Better than Corey on '06?

I'll take Mo over Maggette any day. Wasn't a big Corey fan. Mo's a better scorer and, unlike Maggette, is actually capable of creating for other people too. (Its too bad Mo often is on the court with guys are offensively-challenged).

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Half of our roster will be guards when Bledsoe comes back.

CP3

Billups

Mo

Bledsoe

Foye

Leslie

I love Reggie as blake's backup but I think we need to trade a guard to get a quality back up for DJ

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wow what is vinny gonna do with all those guards??? there HAS to be a trade.. no way MO, Bledsoe, and Foye can have sufficient time off the bench even if two of them are on the floor at the same time..

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Winning cures everything!!! I don't think we need to trade just to make a trade. If it will get us an above average big man, im all for it! If some guys dont get playing time then oh well! Let them bitch and complain... Step yor game uo during practice, compete your ass off and Im sure you will get playing time. We need to look at it as an advantage not a burden! Its up to Vinny to be able to control the ego's.

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Some teams like to play small ball every once in a while. We will be forced to play small ball every game. Experienced teams can exploit that easily

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I think they all stay accept for Fortney. Our guards pretty much play with reckless abandoment , one of them is even too old to be my son (well almost). As we have seen over the last week,,you can't have enough guards. They will hurt hemselves.

But since this thread is about Mo,,after the last two weeks I say hand Mo the 6th man trophy. He is almost indespensble.

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For me, it's going to boil down to who we keep. It has to be either Mo, or Billups. Mo will not stay here as a reserve and I don't care what people say ( Just my opinion). Mo has to be our starter. Billups has been good for late in games but I am just tired of his slow motion, come up short drives that look like a guy way past his prime.

Has to be either or. Billups is Mo's obstacle. Trading Bledsoe serves no purpose. His contract is cheap so he has to stay. paying Billups and Mo is not a wise decision. Billups isn't going to cost us 2 million...Bet on that.

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Well if we end up picking up Kenyon Martin, not sure there's many bigs out there we'd want to trade Mo for now unless it's a really really good center (in a league where bigs have a premium). Possibly a small forward backing up Caron but nobody really comes to mind on a trade that can replace Mo's contributions off the bench.

My guess is that Mo's here to stay this season... after that, it's anyone's guess. More recent press on Mo seems to indicate he's coming to terms with his role on this team, least that's the impression I'm getting.

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Since we signed Chauncey off of waivers we cannot trade him. He has to stay with us for a year.

Bledsoe is cheap and a great player who fits in with the team great.

CP3 is CP3.

That leaves Foye and Mo.

I love Mo, Foye is good but expendable.

But, Mo's trade value is 5 times what Foye is.

Very hard decision for the Front office.

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This is I don't understand everyone's want to trade Mo. Chauncy is a rental, he is gone after this year. Mo becomes our starting SG. Personally if I were VDN I would roll those two around already. LAst night was a good example on how to rotate Mo from SG to PG and back. Mo has started logging more minutes then Chauncy per game anyway. Do NOT trade Mo.

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Epic read by Sekou Smith: Mo Williams In The Zone! Willing to fit in: Mo Williams could have stirred up Clipperland after the CP3 deal. Instead, he's embraced his new role. HANG TIME HEADQUARTERS " He could have turned the locker room upside down, made a mess of the team’s chemistry and pouted his way out of town if he wanted to. All of those options were available to Clippers guard Mo Williams when the Chris Paul trade went down. It soon became clear that his time as the Clippers’ starting point guard would be limited to the 22 games he got last....

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cold shooting night 6-18 but made clutch free throw. finished with 19 points

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Mo is a PG. He matches up well against reserve shooting guards, but against starting SG's he does not match up well defensively.

As 6th man of the year?

Ya' baby!

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He's gonna have to beat out Harden but it looks good so far.

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harden's been starting lately i think

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The lineup that has been working lately to close out the games...with the exception of tonight vs the Nuggets has been: CP3, Chauncey Billups, Mo Williams, Blake Griffin, and DeAndre Jordan. Although defense is a slight liability, we are tough to stop with that lineup because we can spread it out at the 3 point line and open up space for the two power players down low. It becomes a pick your poison situation for opposing teams. I hope we keep Mo this year and he sees that this is a good place for him going forward.

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17 pts and 8 assist. not bad for a back up!

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