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BenjaSands
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This is one of the most bothersome trends that seems to happen every year multiple times. A guy will play way over his season average and capabilities and have their best games of the season (sometimes career) against us. That or they will have the biggest impact in a game to a point where Ralph or Mike will ask the question "Who is this guy!?" The following are instances this season. Some stand out more than others aside from the numbers they put up. I seem to post a "Bum of the game who played like he is good against us today" so rather than do that every thread...well here we are haha.

Game 1: Brandon Rush, Warriors.

Game 2: Dejuan Blair, Spurs. 20 points. Yikes.

Game 3: One of the few times it did not happen though i could cringe when Richard Hamilton would make a shot.

Game 4: Jamal Crawford, Blazers. 23 points. He is not really a bum but he should not be scoring that many points against us.

Game 5: Chandler Parsons, Rockets. This is one of the better examples. He had double digit points.

Game 6: Drew Gooden scores 18 pts.

Game 7: Gerald Wallace, Blazers. 20 pts. He is not a bum, but we made him look like Jordan out there.

Game 8: Chalmers had 18 pts.

Game 9: We kept the Laker bums at bay.

Game 10: Johan Petro, Brooks, Nets. Petro had double digit points and Brooks almost 20. Yikes.

Game 11: CJ Miles, Jazz. He had 19 points and he was playing like if he was Jordan out there, this is one of the clearer instances too.

Game 12: Some center from The Mavs had double digit points. And at crucial moments. I think his name is Mahimi. Yikes.

Game 13: Dark Milicic, Wolves. The clearest instance of a bum going off against us. He led The Wolves in scoring and I remember this one because I remember Mike Smith saying "He is at his average, 4 points so he should be done for the night" or something similar....and YIKES.

Game 14: I will leave the Raptors alone.

Game 15: Andrew Godluck, Lakers. Who? Exactly. Another perfect example of a bum going off against us. I doubt this guy scores this many points all year.

Game 16: Tony Allen had 14 points. That is 10 pts too much.

Game 17: I will leave this one alone because we won.

Like I said, some of these instances stand out more like the Milicic game, and Godluck, and I mention it because much like the Wolves and Lakers games, keeping Bums at bay can be the difference between winning or losing a game.

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To be fair, you should also make a 'studs we've castrated' list for comparison.

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Defense and rebounding is obviously a major work in progress. Clippers haven't learned how to step on teams when they are down. It will hopefully come with more experience.

Some of these bums as you call them are over looked imho and thats why the defense has allowed major contributions.

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i agree. but there are some players we didnt account for. i wouldnt call them bums per say since they are in the NBA for a reason. but yeah there are some players we didnt take seriously and paid for it.

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^ I think we've always been the kind of team that lets some nobody go mental against us, but we're also a bogey team for some really good scorers.

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I agree with the post - The Reason VDN. Bad Coaching

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^ You got another tune to sing, 'coach'?

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i agree with that. no doubt about that.

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I'm pretty sure that 4 points a game comment by Smith was about Joel Anthony, not Darko.

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Actually doesn't matter to me. It's fine to let one guy go nuts if you hold the other 14 back. One guy can't win a game, a team can. And guys,,WE BOT OURSELVES A REAL TEAM FINALLY !!!!!

This team is getting it togeter and last night proved it. Now tonight,,,,yikes

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DeJuan Blair should not be on that list. He's good. Also, for Gerald Wallace, we shut him out the first game we played against Portland so he had a major chip on his shoulder coming into the second game against us. But overall, I know exactly what you mean. It's very frustrating...

SissyBoyFloyd
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I thought one of the ideas of a good coach is to try to shut down the stars of a team and make the lesser players beat you.

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But if the lesser players are beating us on top of the stars hitting their averages, it can get very frustrating.

BenjaSands
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He said it about Darko, I am almost certain. Him or Ralph tend to say it whenever someone who doesnt typically score scores on us.

BenjaSands
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Ha...true. But this damn problem bugs me more haha

For example, has that GoodLuck or GotLuck whatever his name is scored as many points as he did against us against anyone else this year?

(im not sure but i doubt it)

BenjaSands
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Bums is such a cruel word, I think ima change it to "guys that are not typically a concern on the scouting report" haha

BenjaSands
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Right, but when these lesser players play a key role in their team winning against us, YIKES. Like I said, the best examples are GotLuck (Lakers win) and Darko (Wolves win)...had we kept either of these two to their average or half of it they both would have been easy victories. Not only the production but its when these guys score Mad

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many teams go through this, not just the Clippers... the hated one's other side of the locker room has this tendency to have low key players/bench squatters have career games. It all depends on what the team weakness is, for Clips its rebounding... so some scrub can turn into Charles Barkley at any game.

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Yeah but its different if you hold the 14 "back" and they all score double digits. It seems it was a good job but a starting lineup, or more than 2 bench guys getting double digits can be more harmful than if one or two guys score 30 or 25 or somethin

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ClippersSince97 wrote:
SissyBoyFloyd wrote:
I thought one of the ideas of a good coach is to try to shut down the stars of a team and make the lesser players beat you.

But if the lesser players are beating us on top of the stars hitting their averages, it can get very frustrating.

Exactly.

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That's baseball. That's why you intentionally walk he star player and make the lesser player behind him beat you.

It's the opposite in basketball. Like Kobe. You're better off letting hm get his stats while you try to make sure his teammates stay stagnant.

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this has been a clipper trend since i became a fan in '88. i think the real blame, if you have to pick something is the scouting REPORTERS themselves. but you also have to have....

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clippermitch
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I guess the team is sticking with the phrase "let the other guys beat us."

Defense and rebounding has improved day and night since the first 5-10 games.

The last two nights, the team allowed OKC and UTAH to score over 100. Gotta watch out for that.

SamMays
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I don't find it particularly troubling. We're winning. Somebody is going to score points for the opposition. Nobody ever pitches a shutout... Look at the box scores. In almost every game played, somebody steps up to double or tripple their scoring average.

It's just not a big deal...

BenjaSands
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Sessions 24 points. Varejao 15 points. Gibson 17...I mean really. Varejao making a JUMPSHOT to ice the game. I mean cmon. Todays loss against the Cavs has to be one of the must frustrating in recent memory. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOBODY.

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Cavs are a near .500 team, sadly its in the Eastern Conference. However, Sessions is no bum and if he's traded it'll be for a 1st rounder at the very least. Gibson is sorta blah but Varejao is a hustle player and is mainly in there for boards and some good D. Shockingly he lit us up tonight I mean WTF is that.

ClipperSam
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Fire VDN, Fire VDN, Fire VDN. Its called being out coached by Byron Scott

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^ Off topic, repetitive nonsense.

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Byron Scott whose coached 2 teams in the NBA Finals, his first time he took a 26-56 team to a 52-30 record in 1 season turnaround.

Outside of 2 crappy years ( 1 with the Cavs last year and you cannot blame him for that poor record anyone would have sucked ) and the 1 year when the Nets went from playoff team to rebuild mode, he's got a helluva winning %. Scott is PRAISED by Lebron and CP3 as a head coach and was an awesome basketball player during his career. People on this exact forum and others wanted Byron Scott to be our head coach a couple years ago. I know because I lurked around and was and am part of other NBA/Clipper forums.

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PLAYERS MANAGEMENT MONEY MARKET DRAFT

479 (4th) 81 (16th) 92 (18th) 80 (5th) 17 (27th)

The Clippers are eight spots ahead of the Lakers? Yes, the times are changing in L.A. It's very possible the Clips will be Southern California's top basketball team over the next three seasons, as they've positioned themselves for a very strong run. Let's start with the players. We ranked the Clippers fourth based on the superstar nucleus of Blake Griffin and Chris Paul; while we wished they had a bit more help, the supporting cast at least possesses some solid complementary pieces and trade assets. And the market rates fifth, as the combination of coming to L.A. and playing for a winner should be a powerful lure -- as it was in their recent signing of Kenyon Martin.

Finally, the Clippers are in pretty good financial position for a contending team. They're well under the tax line and should feel free to add players via exceptions over the next couple of years, filling the roster holes on the wings and at backup center.

The worry, alas, is that these are the Clippers and they'll find a way to screw it up. We rated L.A. 16th in management, and that might have been kind. While GM Neil Olshey has mostly done good work, owner Donald Sterling is a buffoon's buffoon and head coach Vinny Del Negro still seems overmatched. The latter has an expiring deal and may not be retained, but the Clips may have trouble getting somebody better given The Donald's history of not paying his former coaches.

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Fire VDN, FIre VDN, Fire VDN

BenjaSands
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Grillinnap wrote:
SissyBoyFloyd wrote:
I thought one of the ideas of a good coach is to try to shut down the stars of a team and make the lesser players beat you.

That's baseball. That's why you intentionally walk he star player and make the lesser player behind him beat you.

It's the opposite in basketball. Like Kobe. You're better off letting hm get his stats while you try to make sure his teammates stay stagnant.

Welll put.

Very Happy

BenjaSands
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Yeah but what stood out is when Mike Smith said "Sessions with his season high" and ohhh brother this is so frustrating to me. And I understand Irving was out but still Sad

and yeah Varejao!!! When he hit that Jumper I felt like throwing my phone at my friend who was next to me haha

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hahahah

88 Wow!!!! I apologize on behalf of the Clippers for what they put you through haha Sad

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BenjaSands wrote:
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this has been a clipper trend since i became a fan in '88. i think the real blame, if you have to pick something is the scouting REPORTERS themselves. but you also have to have to have a crystal ball with you in order to figure out which "bum" is going to have an all star stat nite,lol!

hahahah

88 Wow!!!! I apologize on behalf of the Clippers for what they put you through haha Sad

we would have won tonite if kyle had played! one bum replaced another, AND THAT BUM, SESSIONS, DID US IN! OHMEOHMY!

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LOL! Good idea.

BenjaSands
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B. Haywood last game. I know it was just 10 points, but thats double his average. Had he been KEPT to his average we would have won by 1.

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Against the Warriors Udoh had 19 points. 19 Points. I dont even know his first name, well he had 19 points.

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Corey Brewer with a 25-point game tonight.

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Somebody in every game goes well over their season average. Ramon Sessions had a season high against us. Does that mean Chris Paul sucks defensively? This doesn't prove anything but the obvious. Sometimes mediocre players have very good games.

Also somebody in every game goes well below their season average. That's why they take an average. If a guy averages 20 a game, he's not going to score between 18 ande 22 every night. He's going to have some in the 30s and a few in single digits. This proves that sometimes excellent players play poorly.

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True statement, my only problem is...... why does it have to be proven with us... SMH

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+1

We do need a better defensive scheme overall I would say this team is perfectly built to be a great zone defensive team with Paul in the passing lanes Griffins strength and Jordan weak-side but it's not clicking.

I'm convinced something may be wrong with Paul he has not had a lockdown defensive game since he locked Jamal Crawford down in the 4th quarter in the Blazer game we won. Paul use to want to guard the best perimeter player now we switch him off of them. Our bigs need to more aware on D and attack the ball more without fouling. Two wing players need to rotate and and be aggressive a bump bigs out of there spots take some defensive fouls but don't let those bigs stay open when our bigs rotate.

BenjaSands
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Haha

I think its Mozgovs turn Shocked

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Jordan Hamilton

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It does baffle me how players you've never really heard of or are average players having career nights against us. Last night should have been a cakewalk with the lineup denver had on the court.

SamMays
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There are seldom cakewalks in the NBA... With 66 games this year, it's impossible for players to be fired up and mentally ready for every one of them... When top players go down, there is a tendancy for the opposition to relax... You get wound up to play Kobe, or Lebron, but when they're out of the lineup a little energy gets sapped.

The NBA season is a marathon race, not a sprint. It's like the Tour de France, with a bunch of stages. Nobody wins every stage, just like nobody wins 162 games in a baseball season. You could put an all-star team on the baseball field and they'd still lose 25% of the time at least... There are ups and downs, streaks of good luck and bad luck. Talent wins out in the long run, but not every day.

We're winning about 66% or the time. That's excellent... The reality is, we should have two or or three more wins, maybe, at most. We could also easily have a couple more losses... We're about where we should be based on our talent level, experience, chemistry and experience together.

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''How is Jordan Hamilton a bum? Hamilton slipped on draft night which isn't uncommon but was a top 10 projection in the past draft year. Out of all the players in last year's draft he was deemed one of the few that could contribute and was NBA ready.

Hamilton was a great scorer at Texas which isn't a joke school to be playing at. Denver has a great cast of outside scoring and nearly everyone on that team takes turns getting 20 a night, whether it's Miller, Afflalo, Galinari, Hamilton, Fernandez etc. etc.

Rookies have great games and bad games, whether it's against a great team or a horrible team. Now if we let like Steve Novak go off for like 20 against us, that is a problem.

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Corey Brewer tea-bagged my best friend when he dunked over him in an AAU tournament in high school. As far as I'm concerned, that's a greater accomplishment.

BenjaSands
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Who?

Today, Michael Beasley torched us and was shooting like if he was Larry Bird out there. The guy had not even gotten playing time of late like Mike Smith said. HE CAME OUT OF NO WHERE and killed us.

Derrek Williams? Die hard NBA fans have heard of him yes, he has potential yes, but HE IS A ROOKIE. He shoots nearly 100% and he has a season career high against us.

hey maybe after his 2nd 3 you might want to get up on him?

This is ******* disgraceful and this game was so eerily reminiscent of Clippers games in the past....but games where Rick Brunson was the point guard not someone the stature of Chris Paul.

Shocked

I am just in awwwe

ClipsRoDman
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uh they are not bums buddy, but don't get me wrong by no means should they have the total they did....this is exactly what happens when a team does not have a defensive system and a mediocre coach

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b-ez is a baller! noone should ever count this guy out, he was on fire the season he was traded to the wolves and this season benched only because he's been injured, i say he is ready to be a started again

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