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BringMcadooBackado
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This was getting thrown in down at the bottom the Ray Allen thread, and I figured that it deserved its own discussion.

Mods, feel free to boot this one and I can re-post it in the trade thread if you think this is not worth the space.

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Sam Amick seems to think that we'd make a pretty good trade partner if the Trail Blazers look to dump Jamal Crawford.

He's got another year on his contract (but it's a player option) and would fill the Chauncey-void incredibly well. Of course, you knew all that.

My question has to do with WHAT we would want to give up for him. Do we go with the same deal that most of us were considering for Ray (Bledsoe, Foye and Cook)? While I actually like the idea of renting Ray more (bird rights, better pure shooter, veteran leadership and works better in our system), the Trail Blazers need a point guard bad. I mean, the reason why Jamal is on the block is because Ray Felton can't handle the job and Jamal can't put up his usual numbers when he's playing the one-guard.

I'd do this even though it might be a gamble. Whether or not the Trail Blazers could imagine Bledsoe as their point guard of the future is something that is a little bit harder to predict...

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he would be a good fit, but hes another mo williams, only taller. so if we do give up bledsoe, foye and cook we would then need a backup pg. id go for wes matthews instead. foye and gomes would net us wes matthews. hes a better defender than crawford and can shoot it from 3 well.

Shinob
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actually, batum would be perfect fit. he can play sf as well, he's a great scorer.

BringMcadooBackado
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The question would be, can Vinny put together a 3 guard rotation that keeps either CP3 or Mo on the floor (playing the point) at all times while still managing their minutes when he rests Jamal and has to put one of the smaller guys at the off-guard?

History says "yes," in the sense that Bledsoe has barely played since he's returned and we've been without Chauncey for quite awhile.

We would need to look for a back-up point guard, but I don't think it would be as bad of a situation as looking for a new, starting shooting guard.

Unless we bring back Courtney Fortson... Yikes.

As for Batum, it doesn't sound like the Trail Blazers are going to give him up, so no solution there.

Bingoooo
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Trailblazers wouldn't trade Batum for anything less then a Steph Curry , Jeremy Lin level of talent.

Hoop
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Jamal would be the perfect substitution for Chauncey...4 years younger, quite same shooting percentage, and same point average in 4 min. less playing time - compared to Ray Allen even in 8 min. less playing time!

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Can we actually get Crawford? Who would they want inexchange? Bledsoe and ?

ekker3
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Crawford's much too streaky, inconsistent, doesn't play defense, and is super turnover prone.

And I think people are sleeping on bledsoe's abilities.

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crawford is another mo, best off the bench, good at creating shots, streaky as hell can got for 30 on any given night but don't think the clips are gaining much getting this guy unless mo is gone

Hoop
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Turnover prone? Ray Allen & Chauncey TO 1.9 and Jamal 2.1 playing the unloved one Position in Portland. I don´t see much difference there.

And if he´s inconsistent with playing 4 min. less than Chauncey with same Points & percentage & even 8 min. less Allen with same points...then he´s welcome to be inconsistent with us Smile.

FVaz03
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Jamal isn't what we need. Ray Allen is perfect! Knock down open 3's all day.

And most important we get back that experience and big shot we lost when billups got injured. If we can give up cook, foye and a couple of picks

And most important keep Bledsoe it would be a perfect situation. But it looks like we're gonna have to give up Bledsoe.

Hoop
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I think Jamal would be nothing else or even better than the J.R. Smith Trade we proceeded. But don´t get me wrong, I´d be satisfied with Ray Allen too - but what bothers me with him that he needs almost 8 min. more playing time to score the same avg. PPG as e.g. Jamal thus I don´t see him knocking down buckets (3 Pters) all day long...

FVaz03
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Forget the scoring, the experience and the big shots he can hit. The game tying game winners is what I want.

He can have 3 points for all I care but when it comes down to the last second down by 2 ray Allen shooting a 3. As good as in. Especially all the open looks he's gonna get. Jamal Crawford is solid don't get me wrong but he's just a taller mo Williams. At this point we need the big shot experience that can help in the west finals game 6 game 7. Crawford hasn't been in a big game in a while or ever.

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Ray Allen over Jamal Crawford anyday... just like Chauncey Billups, Allen knows how to hit the big shots. Ray Allen is a pure knockdown shooter, one of the best in the game. FG and 3pt % are almost .500 this season, while Crawford is streaky just like Foye. One game he could have 25 points then totally disappear the next. Ray Ray would fit perfectly cause he is a SHOOTER...! someone who is not scared to take the shot like Billups.

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you're kidding right? this is one of those times when you need a scout not a statistician... ray allen is a better defender, better shooter and a better leader. jamal crawfords role has been a bench scorer his entire career almost. he goes in the game and has the green light on any shot he wants. he'll win you some games when he gets hot but he's not taking you deep in the playoffs like rayray would

Danzig888
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Mo & bledsoe two 2rd round picks & trace exception for

Wallace felton & crawford

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add foye and gomes onto that. or else i dont think salaries match up lol

and I'd think we'd need to add in a first rounder too.

Clip1989
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why would the Blazers make that trade??? Come on people, be realistic!

Hoop
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Clip1989 wrote:
Danzig888 wrote:
Mo & bledsoe two 2rd round picks & trace exception for

Wallace felton & crawford

why would the Blazers make that trade??? Come on people, be realistic!

Because they want to get rid of him (trainer doesn´t like his D as far as i know). Mo + TPE for Jamal would be nice, if that is possible? We get Cap Space and Portland one player who might not want to be on their rooster next year.

That would leave us the possibility to go after Allen also.

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chris brousard just mentioned this trade on nba countdown on abc. he said that portland is interested on trading bledsoe for crawford straight up but the clippers feel it's pointless since crawford would be a free agent in the summer. they also feel that bledsoe's value will skyrocket during summer since there is no point guard in the draft. they feel the same way about ray allen too that they can get him over the summer

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Chris Broussard just said on NBA CountDown that the Clipps said No to Portland for a trade they offered Jamal Crawford for Eric Bledsoe??? Hmmm i dunno who I feel about that??

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I like Bledsoe quite a bit, but lets face it. Chris Paul is going to be our point guard for the next six years (hopefully)... Bledsoe isn't going to get a chance to be the man here. Not his fault, but a fact. He can't play the SG, so moving him for the right player makes a lot of sense...

And Foye isn't a starting quality SG. If we have to move Bledsoe to get one, we should. I would personally take Crawford if he dropped his player option for next year. I like Ray Allen too, but we can't say Ray or bust. We take the SG who becomes available at the right time for the right price.

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I like Jamal. The difference is this guy can totally take over games, offensively. Plus, he's a pretty big guard. He can't be much worse on perimeter defense than we already are. Probably a more realistic pick up than Allen.

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I think it´s nuts not to do that. Mo or Jamal could bring the ball when CP3 rests and for this season EB is no strenghthening. What could or could not be be next season with EB is no concern right now.

But I think i see the point. FO does not want to trade EB for a player who will not stay after this season.

But if nobody of that caliber, with a 2 year contract, comes along it´s a must do! I just hope they do not loose this chance by playing poker to much.

Voyeur
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Oh, I forgot the other reason Jamal would be a nice pick up....so he'd stop TORCHING us whenever we play Portland. LOL

Danzig888
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Clip1989 wrote:
Danzig888 wrote:
Mo & bledsoe two 2rd round picks & trace exception for

Wallace felton & crawford

why would the Blazers make that trade??? Come on people, be realistic!

Portland need PG... & giving them two.. & they aint re-signing

Wallace nxt year

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Hoop wrote:
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chris brousard just mentioned this trade on nba countdown on abc. he said that portland is interested on trading bledsoe for crawford straight up but the clippers feel it's pointless ...

I think it´s nuts not to do that. Mo or Jamal could bring the ball when CP3 rests and for this season EB is no strenghthening. What could or could not be be next season with EB is no concern right now.

But I think i see the point. FO does not want to trade EB for a player who will not stay after this season.

But if nobody of that caliber, with a 2 year contract, comes along it´s a must do! I just hope they do not loose this chance by playing poker to much.

crawford will help us win games but he's not gonna get us over the hump and make us a contender. we lost that contender tag when billups went down. i think the organization is looking to add player this year or over the summer that can make us a contender

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I love Chauncey, but this is exactly the mentality we need to avoid. It's a wonder any team has ever won a championship without Billups, the way we talk. There really is no excuse for this. There are teams that have won without a former champion in the lineup. We still have some playoff vets out there who have performed well in the post season, Butler, Martin and especially our own floor leader CP3. Crawford would MORE than help.

Hoop
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Like your reasonable point of view, voyeur^^. I see it the same he would help us big for giving just EB up.

Guess the only question for FO would be if Jamal is ready to give his player opt up...if this is possible?

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I bet you a prostitute told him not to this trade, lol...

Voyeur
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Word is Crawford, himself, has expressed interest in the Clippers, so who knows?

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I wouldn't do this trade tbh... Jamal will test the free agent once his contract is up for the most money = rental and we will give up a solid young talent who's salary controlled for the next three years. Plus Bledsoe's value is higher than Crawford maybe we think we can do better? we still have 10 days, if nothing is good maybe Clippers will get back to Portland Blazers???

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I don't love Crawford. Although I've seen him shoot teams into games, and even win games, I've also see him shoot teams out of games. He's very streaky and not a great defender. That said, seeing some of our recent games, particularly the Phoenix game, has made me feel a little more desparate about adding some consistent scoring help.

I might be willing to part with Bledsoe for Crawford because I have my doubts Bledsoe is ever going to be a great PG. I think he's a bit of a tweener that doesn't have great PG instincts, but is too small to play the 2 regularly. He'll make great plays at times, or even have great games, because he's a top notch athlete. But I have a feeling consistency is always going to be an issue with him.

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That will be the case with every scorer who brings us at least 14 ppg. He has no badder Stats than Chauncey! And even CB is beeing very inconsistend right now & that´s why we need to bring in another scorer - to cover that.

And hell yeah if on some given nights Mo, Jamal, Caron, Blake & CP3 score 30 - I´ll take that too Smile.

In any case it makes us more unpredictable cause you don´t know who´s getting hot & that will open shots & plays for CP3 and so on. We are then worse to defend & in that case i like our "chaotic"/fast offense with another scorer, because Teams don´t know what will come next & it makes us even more unpredictable.

Mo to starting 5 and Foye & Jamal in the second unit O_O.

In a picture perfect we would acquire one further scorer without giving up much - and that would make us a serious contender (as long all stay healthy).

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I love Crawford game, every time he plays us he kills the clippers

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cp walking after next year is still a decent possibility. if he leaves and bledsoe's gone (along with mo leaving for sure this offseason), what's the plan? its not like top tier PGs would be lining up to play for us (or that they'll be any top FA PGs to begin with).

i like that we're not giving up bled for a guy like crawford.

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Mo, Bledsoe, Foye for Wallace, Felton, Crawford would be crazy huge.

Portland doesn't want crawford and feltons been on the block for a long time, plus they don't want wallace because they can't afford him and batumn and like batumn more.

We won't do this because it would kill chemistry heading to the playoffs. Plus Wallace is on his last year isn't he along with crawford? But other then that, it's a perfect trade for both teams.

cp3/felton

crawford/(cheap pick up or maybe bobby

Wallace/Butler

Griffin/Evans

DJ/Martin

Thats a potential WCF team.

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this trade will happen soon for Crawford..

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Anything behind that statement other than your gut feeling?

Shinob
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agreed. bledsoe just needs to get his game and confidence back. he showed something that one drive he had today. vinny needs to give him some more PT.

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again, why give up bledsoe. hes the only legit pure pg we have behind cp3. just needs more time. ray allen, while fitting on our team will cause us to move foye into the 2nd unit which is not as good as we think since mo is always looking for his and foye loses his ability to score since mo keeps the ball 90 percent of the time in the shot clock. plus we would have to give up Ebled and a future 1st. too much for a rental. we just need someone who can play solid d and hit the 3 to space the floor for us who happens to be tall enough to guard legit SG in this league.

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I'd rather have ray ray, carlos delfino or courtney lee on the team than jamal crawford.

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Carlos delfino... Really?

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I'm not necessarily saying to give him up for Crawford, unless we know Crawford is staying beyond this year... As far as saving Bledsoe for the day CP3 leaves. The hell with that kind of thinking... This is our window. This year and next. I used to care what the Clippers would be and I projected three and four years down the road. That never worked.

Beyond this year and next, I don't care. I like Bledsoe and I think he has promise as a PG (none as a SG), however I am far from certain he's going to be a 35-minute a game stud... Once CP3 is goes, Blake will probably go with him and Bledsoe ain't gonna save the day.

Our future is based on retaining Griffin and CP3. We need to do everything we can to keep them here and keep them happy. That means winning now and next year... Management must show it intends to do what it has to to make this team a championship contender. That will make Paul and Griffin want to stay, making us contenders for the next five or six years, not saving Bledsoe for the day we just give up.

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Delfino is a nice player and an upgrade over Foye. Still, I'd like to think we can do better, but if not, he would help.

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cp walking after next year is still a decent possibility. if he leaves and bledsoe's gone (along with mo leaving for sure this offseason), what's the plan? its not like top tier PGs would be lining up to play for us (or that they'll be any top FA PGs to begin with).

i like that we're not giving up bled for a guy like crawford.

I'm not necessarily saying to give him up for Crawford, unless we know Crawford is staying beyond this year... As far as saving Bledsoe for the day CP3 leaves. The hell with that kind of thinking... This is our window. This year and next. I used to care what the Clippers would be and I projected three and four years down the road. That never worked.

Beyond this year and next, I don't care. I like Bledsoe and I think he has promise as a PG (none as a SG), however I am far from certain he's going to be a 35-minute a game stud... Once CP3 is goes, Blake will probably go with him and Bledsoe ain't gonna save the day.

Our future is based on retaining Griffin and CP3. We need to do everything we can to keep them here and keep them happy. That means winning now and next year... Management must show it intends to do what it has to to make this team a championship contender. That will make Paul and Griffin want to stay, making us contenders for the next five or six years, not saving Bledsoe for the day we just give up.

Agreed. The time has come for the Clippers to play for the present and worry about the future when it happens. And, like you said, if we lose Griffin and Paul, Eric Bledsoe is not going to be the cornerstone to rebuild the franchise around.

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I agree that this year and next year are our window, but more so next year. Honestly, it would be kinda shocking if we won it this year. I think the front office is putting more of a priority in succeeding next season to make sure that Blake and CP3 stay. So I think we're gonna wait 'til this off season to make major moves. Probably go after Ray Allen/Jamal Crawford in the summer.

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I'd rather have Allen but I think crawford is more attainable. Plus i'd love it if we could swing something for wallace as well.

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Why dont we just try to offer Mo for Jamaal?

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