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spontane wrote:
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Well we're not getting Crawford as POR decline to take Gomes. :-{

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They haven't declined anything yet. Ben Golliver tweeted this last night: "League source: Clippers' interest in Jamal Crawford deal hinges on inclusion of Ryan Gomes' contract, which Blazers seem unlikely to take."

https://twitter.com/#!/blazersedge/stat ... 2369304576

But I can't find anything that says they've definitively said no. Yet.

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allbeast32 wrote:
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Well we're not getting Crawford as POR decline to take Gomes. :-{

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I saw the twitter link. Not so sure how credible a twitter post is. It does make sense though. Below is a link of a portland blog which shows that the fans welcome eb with open arms. I gomes contract is holding up the deal, throw in other pieces, cook etc. They want expirings and we have enough. I predict this will get done soon.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/3/12/28 ... e#comments

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This works. Neil. GET IT DONE!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6slsb9r

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I heard that Wizrds might be willing to give up Nick Young for a future first and Cook or Gomes. I think this should be a no brainer. I think we could pull of something similar for Shumpert. Maybe not as good as Crawford, but we don't have to lose Bledsoe for either of these moves.

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I hate his trade. I rather have Ray Allen for a trade of Eric Bledsoe. Do you see Ray Allen last night? Pure shooter!!

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There's no way the Knick's would give up Shumpert for a future first round pick.

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I do. They're way too jammed up at 2 and his time has dwindled. Throw in Thompkins if neccessary

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Much as I'd like the Clips to get Crawford, this still doesn't fix our defense problems and doesn't help us WIN. Can't simply keep trying to outgun opponents like we did against the Spurs and hope to win, particularly in the playoffs as the old Phoenix Suns roster has shown.

If Portland keeps balking at Gomes and Crawford resists picking up his PO for next season, we should just walk away and keep shopping around, no sense being desperate for a piece that isn't going to fix our biggest problem. Bench scoring to me is IMHO our 2nd priority, behind team defense.

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clippyclip wrote:
They haven't declined anything yet. Ben Golliver tweeted this last night: "League source: Clippers' interest in Jamal Crawford deal hinges on inclusion of Ryan Gomes' contract, which Blazers seem unlikely to take."

https://twitter.com/#!/blazersedge/stat ... 2369304576

But I can't find anything that says they've definitively said no. Yet.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-trade-deadline-diary

See 3/13 entry regarding what Portland wants right now, they want expiring contracts to rebuild this summer around LA and Batum.

Gomes is an expiring with $4M coming off the books this summer, so I don't know why Portland wouldn't want his contract, that part doesn't make sense. It's not big money but it's close to Jamal's $5.2M.

Plus if Portland fears Crawford is going to pick up his option and stay next season, not a long stretch to also assume he'd do the same with the Clips.

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I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but Shumpert has very good D and will be a lot cheaper and is an energy guy. I think he'd be a great fit here.

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LotsoHope wrote:
clippyclip wrote:
They haven't declined anything yet. Ben Golliver tweeted this last night: "League source: Clippers' interest in Jamal Crawford deal hinges on inclusion of Ryan Gomes' contract, which Blazers seem unlikely to take."

https://twitter.com/#!/blazersedge/stat ... 2369304576

But I can't find anything that says they've definitively said no. Yet.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-trade-deadline-diary

See 3/13 entry regarding what Portland wants right now, they want expiring contracts to rebuild this summer around LA and Batum.

Gomes is an expiring with $4M coming off the books this summer, so I don't know why Portland wouldn't want his contract, that part doesn't make sense. It's not big money but it's close to Jamal's $5.2M.

Plus if Portland fears Crawford is going to pick up his option and stay next season, not a long stretch to also assume he'd do the same with the Clips.

Gomes is signed until next summer. He has another year at 4mil on his contract. Not surprised you would think it's expiring since it seems like he's already been in L.A. for 10 years. No joke, somebody actually gave Ryan Gomes a 3 year guaranteed contract. it would be hilarious if it hadn't happened to us.

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I agree with this completely. And I don't know if the offensive issues are always so much of a personnel problem, as a system problem. We have players that are capable of scoring, but our offense has so little ball and player movement that its easy to defend. I think the second unit needs to play more uptempo and run more of a motion type offense. But I doubt that's going to happen. So getting someone like Crawford, who can create his own offense, would help somewhat . . . but not that much.

The proposed Crawford trade is only a marginal upgrade and will still leave us with some pretty big problems to figure out.

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TheDude wrote:
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They haven't declined anything yet. Ben Golliver tweeted this last night: "League source: Clippers' interest in Jamal Crawford deal hinges on inclusion of Ryan Gomes' contract, which Blazers seem unlikely to take."

https://twitter.com/#!/blazersedge/stat ... 2369304576

But I can't find anything that says they've definitively said no. Yet.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-trade-deadline-diary

See 3/13 entry regarding what Portland wants right now, they want expiring contracts to rebuild this summer around LA and Batum.

Gomes is an expiring with $4M coming off the books this summer, so I don't know why Portland wouldn't want his contract, that part doesn't make sense. It's not big money but it's close to Jamal's $5.2M.

Plus if Portland fears Crawford is going to pick up his option and stay next season, not a long stretch to also assume he'd do the same with the Clips.

Gomes is signed until next summer. He has another year at 4mil on his contract. Not surprised you would think it's expiring since it seems like he's already been in L.A. for 10 years. No joke, somebody actually gave Ryan Gomes a 3 year guaranteed contract. it would be hilarious if it hadn't happened to us.

Whoops, thought the 2012 year was 2011-2012, actually meant 2012-2013, you're right.

No wonder Portland doesn't want him. They probably want Foye instead, not a great deal IMO as I don't want to break up any roster pieces for Crawford.

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To be honest, I am ok with letting E-Bled. I have experience with this, being a Hornets fan also. When we let go Darren Collison I was upset also. But once I seen the production that we got back with Carl Landry, then I didn't miss him at all. There is no point of having talent sit. You're gonna use it, either on the court or in a trade, and with Mo-Will doing what he is doing, we HAVE to trade E-Bled. Yeah, you will miss him, but that is only if CP3 ends up bolting. People will soon forget about E-Bled once Jamal produces for this team. If he doesn't, then you will here about this trade again. But I doubt we will. With Jamal's shooting ability, length, and athleticism, he will fit right in with ease.

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I'm sorry, but Portland are getting a young and talented PG for a player they obviously don't want/like in JC. This seems like a one-side trade...they need to make a compromise here cause honestly Felton is not gonna get them anywhere!

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Portland is getting a young asset for a player they signed as a free agent and will opt out after the season.

If Portland doesn't want Bledsoe and Gomes, I'd call NO and get Ariza and Belinelli for Bledsoe/Gomes/Cook.

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Well not that I think Portland will jump on this happily but to satisfy their salary dump + young talent desires, instead of Gomes throw in Cook plus a TPE with Bledsoe. TPE plus Cook will get them around the $4M mark to match salaries and all of that comes off their books by this summer, and they get a young developing PG talent.

Problem obviously is that Cook's production is nowhere near Crawford lol, depends if Portland wants a decent playoff push this year plus cap space in the summer. They might be holding out for both for as long as possible until the deadline.

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Dude they'd probably do that in a second. It's a WAY better deal to get Cook instead of Gomes. We're asking them to pay a price to get our young PG. If you want him, you have to take this disgusting cancerous lesion we've been wearing for the past 1 1/2 seasons. If you take away the biggest mistake of Olshey's career and send back a much needed legit SG, he can feel ok with shipping off the last remaining chip in his pocket.

I'll about guarantee you this has already been offered by Portland. As much as I want Jamal (or similar SG talent) on this team, I think it's a little too lopsided to give them Bledsoe and cap relief in exchange for a guy who is going to opt out in 2 months regardless.

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Ill do it if it involves gomes

Would save clips around 10 milion nxt year

(5 from crawford & 4 from gomes & bledsoe contract)

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There's conflicting info out there - some sources say Portland doesn't want to lose Crawford opting out this summer for nothing, others say Portland is actually afraid he'll opt in and stay for next season thus leaving Portland with less cap room this summer.

I suppose how the deal is being negotiated depends on which side to believe. Either way (Gomes or Cook+TPE) they get Bledsoe, but for Olshey to pull the trigger, he's going to need Crawford to stay for another season.

Most certainly LAC is looking to dump salary to be able to extend Blake this summer and still be able to sign other players, that's why Gomes was offered first. Don't believe we're looking at Crawford as a rental if we're willing to give up Bledsoe for him, least not a 2-month rental.

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Based on this and the other report I posted from HW, it sounds like Crawford is willing to re-up another year, the last hump is between Portland and LAC on how much salary either team is willing to carry over into next season.

At this point I'd just offer something else besides Gomes, his useless benchwarming ass is a tough sell to Portland and we do still have Foye's $4.25M coming off this summer. Extending Blake goes under the cap anyway because of Bird Rights so this is more for adding other pieces around our stars. Feel like LAC is just nitpicking at this point while Portland REALLY wants the extra cap space this summer, don't think that's a concession Olshey will get from them.

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Omg...look at our losses since chauncey is not on the team anymore. They have all been inbetween 10 Points or less. There is seldom or no Game where we lost by 15 Pts or more. FOR SURE would adding a player who contributes 10-15 pts lead us to MORE wins and this besides the defense ( even a blind man can see that).

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Hoop wrote:
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[Much as I'd like the Clips to get Crawford, this still doesn't fix our defense problems and doesn't help us WIN.

Omg...look at our losses since chauncey is not on the team anymore. They have all been inbetween 10 Points or less. There is seldom or no Game where we lost by 15 Pts or more. FOR SURE would adding a player who contributes 10-15 pts lead us to MORE wins and this besides the defense ( even a blind man can see that).

Sorry but this 'blind man' sees an extra 15 points offset by another 15 points given up if the team continues to play zero D.

Besides unless the team's FG% magically increases dramatically with the addition of a scorer like Crawford (math doesn't add up either), you don't just add another 15 points with the same team FGAs by getting another player who averages that much. Get what I mean?

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are we gonna get this dude or what? is Neil gonna wait right to the 15th 3pm deadline? i hope not. PULL THE TRIGGER NEIL!

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Ken Berger: "Sources: Unable to secure a first-round pick in a deal for Jamal Crawford, the Blazers are said to be "cooling" on the idea of trading him."

Man, I can't wait until Thursday to find out what the hell we're going to do. The suspense is worse than it was waiting for the lockout to end.

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should have pulled the trigger today, take the physical late today or early tomorrow and play by tomorrow night vs Atl.

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Make the deal already, the time is now there is no 6 year window chris paul is only signed in for one more year. Front office has to show him they will improve the team by getting him some much needed help.

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Saw that as well, Portland wants max return, let's see if they get it by trade deadline and if they decide to deal him anyway.

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FYI on Gomes' contract, worse comes to worst we can amnesty him during the summer right? Again not so sure why Clips are so hung up on dealing another piece, I think Portland's asking for more than what the Clips are willing to offer right now, hence Ken Berger's latest tweet.

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My gut feeling is that we don't make a trade before the deadline. We have to hope someone good gets waived after the trade deadline by another team and we can pick them up later.

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It's clear the team is willing to trade Bledsoe if they'll take Gomes' contract back. I'm sure there are a lot of teams out there that would give up a backup SG for this package.

Call every single team and offer this package and see who bites. Call Houston for Courtney Lee, NO for Ariza, Magic for JJ Redick, Wizards for Nick Young, etc...

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^ thats what olshey is probably doing as we speak

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I just asked Eric Pincus on his chat and he said he doesn't think the Clips are interest in Ariza. Why the F not???

He's the defensive stopper we need and can shoot the 3ball better than any of the SF on the roster.

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I am not sure if you can amnesty players only once per team ever, or once per team, per year. But why the hell would we amnesty Gomes at 4 mill a year? That's retarded on levels beyond retarded. You amnesty anyone this off-season it's Mo Williams. 9 mill is better to clear than 4 mill. And Gomes' 4 mill expiring next year makes him easier to move via a trade filler than Mo.

Portland isn't retarded in terms of trades. They probably have bought the most draft picks of all time, and have excellent front office personnel. Picking Oden over Durant was stupid, but I doubt they thought Oden would be injured all the friggin' time. B Roy was and is just a sad story. Portland will milk w/e they can from any potential trading partner.

However, Olshey will parry, parry and thrust like a fencer and doesn't fold easily on trades. He's done a fantastic job in recent years spotting talent and making the right moves. I say we try to move Mo, Bledsoe, Gomes, both TPE's and a future 2nd rounder to Portland for Gerald Wallace and Jamal Crawford, but only if they both have options for next year and pick them up. 6th man and starting SG spots secured, and championship this year is on its way.

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^ It's an option if we really need some extra cash. Both Gomes and Mo will be on contract years next year and Mo is most certainly a more valuable player on this roster plus has more value as a $9M expiring, though we haven't made any indication we'd like to move him and small possibility we may just give him an extension this summer. Gomes is the odd man out and if we're that desperate to take $4M off our books this summer, amnesty is most certainly an option. And hey if a great free agent comes available who we just can't pass up, I'm all for amnestying Mo instead of Gomes to get the extra $5M.

The good thing about the Clips pre-CBA is that they didn't carry any bad contracts with them, having moved Baron, so amnestying is really not that big of a GM tool for us. I used to think amnestying Gomes was a terrible idea until I looked at the contracts we have pre-CBA. We haven't amnestied anyone so we still have that option. It's a one-time shot only and only applies to players signed before the new CBA, we don't get a new amnesty every season.

Again, just trying to show that Portland is the one that's holding up this trade and not the Clips, as moving Gomes is not a deal breaker for us.

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You don't amnesty Mo on his last year or even this year because he has trade value and is an asset. This whole amnesty thing is for players with bloated contracts that they don't live up to.

Gomes is probably our only player worth using the amnesty on but with one year left, he'll be tradeable. Not sure we can amnesty Caron or DJ. Maybe DJ since he was with the team before the lockout.

LotsoHope, do you know if DJ can be amnestied? Not that we would but just wondering.

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I don't believe DJ qualifies as his new deal was signed after the new CBA. I am 99% sure the amnesty clause only applies to contracts signed pre-CBA.

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LotsoHope wrote:
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LotsoHope, do you know if DJ can be amnestied? Not that we would but just wondering.

I don't believe DJ qualifies as his new deal was signed after the new CBA. I am 99% sure the amnesty clause only applies to contracts signed pre-CBA.

Your correct sir.

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What the hell is amnesty? Is that the same as releasing someone?

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Under the new CBA, teams are allowed to dump one player to reduce cap. That player had to be under contract in the previous CBA to do this. That player is then put into a "pot" and the highest bidder wins said player. All bottom teams get the first option at getting this player first. If no team bids for the player, he can then go where he wants. That's how we got Billups.

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doesn't look like, were going to do anything. The Clips won't trade Bledsoe.

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day by day the standings are looking scarier. we must make a move or else with a blink of an eye we'll be out of the playoffs and would for sure be the most disappointing clipper season EVER considering all the talent we have on this team. at this point ill take anyone who can score and shoot the 3 ball consistently. of course i prefer that guy to be a good wing defender but ofcourse that would be hard to find. warriors are looking to move stephen jackson but his days are gone please dont sign him.

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^

we falling behind

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We had it made with an easy schedule in first half of the season , now we're paying.

Bledsoe can be a crowd favorite if given a chance, he's got the best coach (Chris) money can find.

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good thing the grizz lost today. a win tomorrow by us ties us for 4th place

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Are you nuts? Always want the Lakers to lose. We want the division crown!

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clipper*joe wrote:
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What the hell is amnesty? Is that the same as releasing someone?

Under the new CBA, teams are allowed to dump one player to reduce cap. That player had to be under contract in the previous CBA to do this. That player is then put into a "pot" and the highest bidder wins said player. All bottom teams get the first option at getting this player first. If no team bids for the player, he can then go where he wants. That's how we got Billups.

Are you sure he wasn't asking a rhetorical question? Dude has over 2,600 posts. You'd think he'd know what amnesty was. Haha

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