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Mo, CP3 and Bledsoe... That's three guard 6'1" or smaller... We don't need all three. There aren't enough minutes in the game to play all three... Williams or Bledsoe should be dealt to get a big SG/SF... Those are the only somewhat expendable pieces we have who are actually worth anything to other teams...

I don't think Crawford is good enough to make parting with Mo worthwhile... I have doubts if he's even good enough to part with Bledsoe given that Crawford will bolt as soon as the playoffs are over.

But, I think the bottom line is, if we're going to improve this team by Thursday, it's Bledsoe or Mo who are out of here...

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@tense, was it bledsoe's fault we were down double digits in those 4 games??? he came in and changed the complexion of those games from getting our asses kicked to giving us the energy to make a comeback and come close to win the game. and another thing, whose fault was it that we came up empty. as much as it hurts so say this, in 3 of those games cp3 had a hand in us coming up empty. im not overlooking that he has won us more games than lost us. that is without question. but he has had a hand in 3 of those losses. vs San antonio in la, he was partly to blame for that inbounds play because instead of throwing the ball backwards or up in the air, he threw it right to gary neal who tied the game with the 3. its not his fault entirely, but he is partly to blame. vs minny, he missed the 3rd of the 3 free throws that could have gotten to ot. we didnt even get that chance cuz of the missed ft. vs the nets, he overplayed dwill and then halfassed a steal attempt which left farmar open for the game winning 3. the point is that ebled is a sparkplug off the bench. and should not be traded for a rental. just saying.

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If Crawford agrees to pick up the option for next season, I'd definitely do this deal. If he won't commit, don't do it.

Trading Bledsoe is not worth a rental of even Ray Allen, definitely not JC. But for 2 seasons of a REAL SG to complete this team and make a legit run, I'm fine with moving EB. He's going to be good with time but he's never going to be another Westbrook. Sparkplug type that'll have great games followed by terrible ones like a JJ Barea type guy. That's a good piece to have but you buy it on the open market for 4-5mil per year. He's never going to be a star.

We're in WIN NOW mode and this team went from great to below average with the loss of Bigshot. We need to make a move and this brings in a starter caliber SG without sending out a rotation player.

  1. Foye goes from starter to 8th man in the rotation. That will make a big difference for us.

  2. When we go 3-guard, Jamal is at least somewhat close to having the size to defend the opposing team's SF.

  3. Jamal can create his own, he can and will bail out the offense at the end of the shot clock time and again, and he has the balls to take and make the shot at the end of the game.

  4. Bledsoe is a PG playing behind the greatest on the planet. There are not enough minutes for him to earn his keep in the long run.

  5. The future is now. Forget about what happens if CP3 bolts next summer. What happens is the whole damn thing falls apart. Having Bledsoe on the roster at that point will not change the fact that the franchise would be completely screwed. He's not a building block, he's a solid piece. Nothing more. He's the only chip we have left and lack of consistent scoring from our wings is the primary reason most of our recent losses.

If they can move Gomes (and not Foye)...And Crawford agrees to stay next season. We get the better of the trade and we are again legit contenders.

Good luck in Portland as their starter to Eric.

Good luck getting cut and never seeing the NBA again Gomes.

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^ Great post. Love that last line haha!

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ekker3 wrote:
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I agree Ekker but..... Bledsoe is NEVER going to get heavy minutes playing behind CP3/Foye/Mo. He may deserve them... but he won't get them. So his defensive impact is only for the short amount of time he is in games. If Bledsoe was a 6'3 player or something he would be our starting 2 guard. So unless the Clippers are willing to start Bledsoe at SG for the rest of his career... they are going to move him or let him walk eventually regardless. The Clippers want to go for the title NOW.

Mo is leaving this offseason. So is foye.

This team is not built to win a title. Cp needs help and Crawford isn't exactly the savior.

I'd rather olshey be patient.

my thoughts exactly! foye/mo will leave this offseason, so bledsoe moves right into the 2nd unit. he'll get some good mins there...i see him as a harden 2.0

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^Bledsoe is not a 2!! He is 6'1. We need an actual SG. Playing small has never worked and won't everwork.

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^^^If Foye and Mo leave this summer I'd feel a lot better about the SG position if we have Jamal Crawford instead of Bledsoe.

Bledsoe is no James Harden, he's more like Nate Robinson.

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not saying he's a 2 though....i'm just saying he'd be like harden 2.0 (coming off the bench, playing good amount of mins) 6th man role if i'm confusing you guys...

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I like Bledsoe a lot and when healthy, he can definitely help the team. Right now, he's not 100% and VDN won't play him.

If we can get Crawford and then use the TPE for another wing, then I'm all for it.

CP3 is so damn good that if we had included Bledsoe in the trade, I would have been ok with it. So essentially in my mind, we're getting Crawford for just Gomes. I know it's wrong but this is how I make myself feel better. Haha

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Between Mo and Crawford, I think we'll have enough 6th men on this squad, assuming this trade goes through. Jamal's advantage is that he's long enough to also play the backup 3, an area we do need some help in.

I like Bledsoe, but he's too raw and this team doesn't have the patience (nor it should) to wait for him to develop, and clearly with CP3 and Mo he's not going to get enough PT to develop. Yes we run the risk of losing both Mo and Foye this summer, and even CP3 leaving after next season, but every trade has a risk, we're not getting something for nothing. A legit 6th man scoring threat for a young talent with upside and a useless benchwarmer? I'd do that in a heartbeat assuming Crawford picks up his PO. And if CP3 is still too greedy and decides to leave after the kind of team we've put around him after next season, well, not much better we could've done there.

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Another topic that can also be contentious (especially on this forum) is whether Crawford will start or not. Personally I'd prefer Foye at the starting 2 because he's a better defender and more all-around player, plus he knows the playbook better, but I suppose maybe that's a debate better saved for if this trade actually happens.

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I would rather us trade for Ray Allen. I am tired of fans calling this a rental. Just like Billups after they arrive will change there mind. Why wouldn't anyone not want to live in Los Angeles is crazy. This is a contending team. Team has CP3 & BG. This is not like playing with Kobe. So when people keep saying 2 month rental is ridiculous. I don't see any player wanting to be traded. Just look at Lamar he is asking to come play for the Clippers do he can come back to Los Angeles. So anyone using the word rental. Has no idea the importance of living in Los Angeles and getting the Hollywood exposure. This is huge for there career even CP3 understood that. That's why when Kobe almost considered playing for the Clippers. That is why no player will be a rental unless there just ignorant and this isn't your past Clippers either. When CP3 signed with the Clips the whole dynamics of playing and staying with the Clips changed. Even Dwight is considering the Clips as one of its destinations. The only thing the clips need to do to continue the progress is hire the right coach and fire Vinny and the rest is history.

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^ Except for the fact that Boston wants too much for Ray Allen, more than we would give up. Not like we can just pick which trade we want right now, it's whatever's on the table that's reasonable.

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I say if we give up Bledsoe it has to be in a deal for Ray Allen. Bledsoe, Foye, trade exception for Ray.

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Not saying it's his fault...it was a TEAM effort, lol, but he has no offensive or playmaking skills at this point in his career. Maybe he gets some or maybe not..it's the chance you take for a known quantity.

IF Gomes is included, than it's a no-brainer for me.

Oh and if CP3 weren't on this team we'd be a game or 2 under .500 IMO.

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I'd keep him in the starting line up because you can hide his offensive inconsistencies a lot better. We need more offense on the 2nd unit.

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Let's all face it! vdn doesn't like bledsoe! ever since he sent eb packing home ahead of the team late last season, i knew eb was on vdn's sh*t list. eb tweeked his knee DURING....

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Bledsoe means little if they can't move Rondo, and the TPE is not appealing when Allen is already an expiring. Again, Boston wants more than table scraps.

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Shinob wrote:
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I agree Ekker but..... Bledsoe is NEVER going to get heavy minutes playing behind CP3/Foye/Mo. He may deserve them... but he won't get them. So his defensive impact is only for the short amount of time he is in games. If Bledsoe was a 6'3 player or something he would be our starting 2 guard. So unless the Clippers are willing to start Bledsoe at SG for the rest of his career... they are going to move him or let him walk eventually regardless. The Clippers want to go for the title NOW.

Mo is leaving this offseason. So is foye.

This team is not built to win a title. Cp needs help and Crawford isn't exactly the savior.

I'd rather olshey be patient.

my thoughts exactly! foye/mo will leave this offseason, so bledsoe moves right into the 2nd unit. he'll get some good mins there...i see him as a harden 2.0

yeah they are leaving coz our clippers will never have the same breathe as those Players wearing purple and gold..

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Confused Shocked PLAYBOOK? WHAT PLAYBOOK!?! idk about you, but when vdn hands jamal the playbook, he'll open it and see nothing but blank pages and a note at the bottom saying "talk to cp3 for more info"! lol lol lol

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Jason Terry is only 6'2 and his arms aren't as long as Bledsoe's. He's also not as strong as Bledsoe, but he was the 6th man of the year as a backup 2. They obviously have different skillsets, but Bledsoe has proven that he can hold his own against great players. You can say "it's just Monta", but that same Monta went off for 32 points on us the last time we played.

Sometimes, the best moves come from within. We're having some problems at the guard, let Bledsoe play and see if he can help solve them. Has worked so far.

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@tense, was it bledsoe's fault we were down double digits in those 4 games??? he came in and changed the complexion of those games from getting our asses kicked to giving us the energy to make a comeback and come close to win the game. and another thing, whose fault was it that we came up empty. as much as it hurts so say this, in 3 of those games cp3 had a hand in us coming up empty. im not overlooking that he has won us more games than lost us. that is without question. but he has had a hand in 3 of those losses. vs San antonio in la, he was partly to blame for that inbounds play because instead of throwing the ball backwards or up in the air, he threw it right to gary neal who tied the game with the 3. its not his fault entirely, but he is partly to blame. vs minny, he missed the 3rd of the 3 free throws that could have gotten to ot. we didnt even get that chance cuz of the missed ft. vs the nets, he overplayed dwill and then halfassed a steal attempt which left farmar open for the game winning 3. the point is that ebled is a sparkplug off the bench. and should not be traded for a rental. just saying.

Not saying it's his fault...it was a TEAM effort, lol, but he has no offensive or playmaking skills at this point in his career. Maybe he gets some or maybe not..it's the chance you take for a known quantity.

IF Gomes is included, than it's a no-brainer for me.

Oh and if CP3 weren't on this team we'd be a game or 2 under .500 IMO.

like i said, bledsoe brought us back with his defense and creativity in those games. you were the one that asked how many of those games we won i did acknowledge that cp3 has helped us significantly and i cant deny his presence because of what he is to this team. but im not going to take away credit from bledsoe's efforts in those games. if we get crawford, we will gain offense but we will definately lose the little defense we have. i guess we can agree to disagree. but to those saying that we are a contender if we add someone like allen or crawford is looking at it with their hearts and not their heads. id love for us to reach the finals, but idk if we can with lack of coaching and inconsistencies on the defensive end.

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WHO CARES ABOUT JCRAWFORD, RYAN GOMES IS ON HIS WAY OUT!!! HALLEJULA!!!!!!!!!

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In two years Crawford will be getting old and Bledsoe will be.........getting hot!

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We are getting far too many players who might leave in 2 months time! Thinking of it Mo will almost certainly be gone, so we need a good back-up at PG. It's a bit of a mess to be honest in terms of next season. If we get Crawford and he does go in 2 months we might be left in a rebuilding mode. We will probably offer Foye another similar contract cause he is a solid bench player. We need to sign Billups to something more than 2 mil. I think and if we are to keep Martin and Reggie we are basically over the cap! Bledsoe is cheap and has potential...that needs to be considered!

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Bledsoe is a turnover machine with no J. Whats so good about him besides his defense? Crawford can get his own shot, and can score when caron and dj cant do **** now, blake cant hit a j to save his life, crawford will shine, + its another clutch player with playoff expiernce, and you dont want that? Plus only way the deal is happening is if jcraw picks up his option.

cp3/Mo

jcraw/foye

butler/simmons

blake/kmart

dj/reggie

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cp3/mo

foye/bledsoe

butler/gomes/simmons

blake/reggie

dj/kmart

in the playoffs for sure.

Another trade I suggested

Foye, Bledsoe, Mo for Felton, Wallace, Crawford...seems like a good trade for both teams

We get a back up point guard, a starting two guard, a WING DEFENDER, a starting 3 or 6th men if you will

Blazers get a young pg to keep, a starting pg in Mo, a back up 2 guard besides wes, they also get rid of felton and wallace and now there building block batumn starts and they are able to afford him. Seems like its to late to do this trade cause it might ruin the chemistry?

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cp3/felton

crawford/simmons/gforce

butler/gforce

blake/kmart/TREY

dj/reggie/Cookie

wow!

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I'd rather us trade for Gerald Wallace. Great defender, can score, shoot the 3, board, steal, block and can play the 2 and the 3 spot. Forget that he plays the 3, remember that he also played the 2 in Charlotte. Wallace > Crawford by about 50 miles.

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We need Ray Allen and a new Coach. Enough said.

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Can't really see GForce as a shooting guard. Dude is more like a tweener 3-4 than a 2-3. He used to start on the wing in Charlotte with Jax but he was still the SF and Jax was the SG.

(I'd still take Gerald Wallace over Crawford any day of the week but that's a bigger trade, they'd want a lot more and we probably don't have the pieces to get it done.)

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We're getting neither THIS year.

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I don't think CP3 cares at all about how good Bledsoe might be in a few years, he wants to win now. Get rid of Bledsoe and Gomes, bring in Jamal Crawford, we're a better team.

Then, this summer we potentially lose Jamal's, Mo's, and Foye's contracts, and Dwight Howard has already expressed some interest in playing for the Clips...

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This is frustrating on many levels. We have not been playing well lately and do need a spark to come in. This might be a spark. It might not be. Bledsoe played well until about the last 3 minutes of the game, but he has been improving. I like that we'd make em take Ryan Gomes off our hands, especially that he's signed for one more year.

I'm kind of see sawing on this one.

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you sir, are a smart cookie...

WIN NOW. Thats it, and that is all.

Were not the same ol clippers fuc* -_-

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Jamal Crawford can also be a playmaker. The problem with him is he has not been a starter since his days in New York. I want a real starter. RAY ALLEN.

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I agree lets go for allen!!!

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Oshley plz make it happen.

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Its time to panic. When will Neil pull the trigger on that POR trade? Sad

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After tonight's game i think a trade is the only thing that will get us out of the funk we are in.

If VDN isn't going to give Bledsoe more playing time we should do this trade. Gomes isn't contributing on the court and Bledsoe isn't getting enough game time to really help us win.

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wont we get 10 mil cap space if JC opts out? maybe we can get cheap FA.

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tense2 wrote:
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We need Ray Allen and a new Coach. Enough said.

We're getting neither THIS year.

yup agreed. enough with some of the wacked out trade suggestions. even though i still dont agree with giving up on bledsoe, that trade has some merit. but some of the trade ideas im seeing are flat out ludicrous. "to clear salary for howard in the offseason" come on. lets not get far ahead of ourselves or else you risk sounding like most flaker fans. not calling anyone out or saying they are flaker fans.

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Haha its always funny to watch people blame the Coach so easily. Geesh.

Was VDN letting the Celtics get offensive boards? Was VDN turning the ball over? Was VDN missing wide open shots? Was VDN missing free throws? The coach can only be so much of a scapegoat. Hold the players accountable every now and then

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And you know its getting bad when people are calling for Bledsoe to get more PT....

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I like this deal. Crawford's a big SG who can actually score some points. I get it that E Bled is better defensively, but how many minutes do we really give him. Nights like last night just don't happen that often. Defense is our biggest problem. But I hate to say it...that has to be solved by the coaching staff. We have the athletes to hustle and play defense. We need a staff to kick their butts into actually doing it.

What we can't necessarily control, on the other hand, is the fact our guards are small and our scoring is inconsistent. Crawford will help in both those departments.

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Yes it's the coach's fault. The game is won on the court by players but it's lost in practice.

The offense is horrible and the defense is as well. These are things coach's work on in practice. He's been outcoached by other coaches, his rotation is awful, his timeouts are way too late, and the team doesn't listen to him.

You know he coached the same Chicago bulls to a .500 record in the east. It's pretty much the same roster and they are 35-9!

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXCHIXX2009.html

Actually, looking at the 2008 roster, this team had more talent.

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This why the Coaches in the NBA get big money. They are supposed to be the leaders and have a game plan. If the Coach does not constantly preach Rebounding, Defense or making plays to get players open. Then turnovers are going to happen. Because there is no where to pass the ball. Because players can get open. Because there is no offense. The coach is the problem. Look at Minnesota. Kurt Rambis was a horrible coach and got fired. Rick Adleman a very good coach took over and they are winning even without Rubio. Minnesota will probably make the Playoffs. Becasue Rick Adelman is a good Coach. There were Minnesota fans that were saying they had no idea how much a good coach can change the game. Until they saw the difference between Rick vs Kurt. Now most of the Wolves understand what a good coach means to a team.

Look what happen when Phil Jackson took over the Lakers or when Pat Riley took over the 2006 Miami Heat. They win Championships.... Take a young Larry Brown who took the Clips to Consecutive Playoff appearances or winning a NBA title in Detroit over the favored Lakers team in 2004...

Coaches make or break a team. VDN is breaking this team and must be fired before more damage is being done. Unless you want to see these Clips with no chance to win. We need a new coach now. This team is self destructing individually and as a team... FIRE VDN!!!

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^AGREE 100%

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LOL, the poll was at 15-11 last I checked, now it's 22-12 in favor of the trade.

Look, let's be realistic, we're NOT getting Ray Allen. Jamal is our best bet. You take any kind of upgrade at this point. Crawford can score, handle, pass, and is a crunch time player. Consider what would be a remedy to combat VDN's ineptitude: players who can create in spite of VDN's non-existent offense. Crawford can do that.

Unless you guys are content with the type of games like tonight, a move has to be made in 2 days.

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Well we're not getting Crawford as POR decline to take Gomes. :-{

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