Vinny Del Negro In Altercation With Mo Williams

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http://www.rantsports.com/courtcrusades ... -williams/

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http://forum.fullcourtpest.com/viewtopic.php?p=16338

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http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/cli ... oenix-loss

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/cli ... to-phoenix

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Wow...

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Ill doubt punches was thrown

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I'm thinking this was just a heated argument.

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I'll fight them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me in the Locker Room!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, Blake you just gonna keep missing all your free throws and making feminine facial expressions?

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Sounds like a coach who knows exactly what he's doing right hahaha.I'm sure the players are just exhausted from trying to create their own shot constantly without any plays being run(It's VDN's system).I think Vdn lost his players completely when Bg got wacked in the head and the coach didn't really say a word(he always puts the blame on the players on top of that).So his days are numbered...

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I'm glad this happened. No more fuckin around

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Thanks for all the links man I was looking for their post game interview's all last night.I have to say you're one of the few people (other then me)that's been constantly pointing out how bad VDN is for this team(or any team for that matter).VDN's Record 138wins 150 losses oh and he's never had a WINNING team NEVER.

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Well that is it,,this team will spiral down the drain unless someone man's up and take the lead. too many individuals now,,not a team.

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fire him already !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ok, attaching links to articles to support an opinion or opening of a thread is a cool thing.

But links to other Forums when we are already on a Forum to discuss this topic accomplishes what?

Not cool. IMO

ESPN doesnt't provide links to Fox Sports. Rankings show that this is now the #1 Fan site for Clippers Fans to visit. It even gets more hits than Clippers.com on many days. Respect Dave's site.

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Losing last night and having this players meeting with possibly Mo and VDN fighting has done the one thing Blake and CP said wouldn't happen...we're back to being a joke!

This team is playing with no passion. This game wasnt lost in the 4th, this game was lost throughout the game. Big leads were lost and this team lack the killer instincts.

VDN has to go. This team has won games by just pure talent but we always get beat by teams who are well coached and teams with smart players. The team needs a new voice.

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do you guys realize that when vinny had the altercation with john paxton, it was also after they versed the suns? LOOOL

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Time for Chris Paul to step up and be the leader of this team. Not sure where he has disappeared to over the past couple weeks (minus Spurs game). This guy was a 4th quarter closer and last night he was scared to take a shot. He needs to step up and be the floor and locker room leader that we need! I love the guy as a player, but it is frustrating to see a guy with so much talent be so passive. Hopefully this team meeting lights a fire under him

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Sure, let's just blame it all on the coach, who has little impact on the game. Bringing in a new coach won't change making shots down the stretch or defense.

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l hope VDN will just resign i got headache watching the players so frustrated, losing the lead without clear offense.

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let's see how fast cp3 and blake can run after their contract is up.

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Are you kidding me?

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The sad thing in all of this is that VDN will not be fired. God, how I wish we'd let this guy go. I've payed close attention to CP3's mannerisms after a talk with VDN...He doesn't like him. Also, CP3 isn't blameless in this either. His Defense has been horrible along with his holding the ball too long routine. When is he going to step up and be half the leader Billups was? What about Blake? The guy is flat out losing games for us now. I'd never thought I'd say this but Griffin is a big liability late in games.

It seems that Mo, for bad or worse, is our workhorse and we go where Mo goes most of the time. I'm probably going to take a few games off ( first time EVER!) and do things that don't bring me down so much. Sad state of affairs here in Dips***land.

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"little impact on the game" LOL the coach is the difference between a championship team and a playoff scrub.

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Great. My worst nightmare has been realized. We're a team full of divas.

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Nate McMillan is the answer

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The thing that sucks is that we just made a trade for a potentially game changing player, so upper management is more likely to try and see how things work out with this new addition. We'll probably have to hit .500 before VDN is fired and by the time that happens, we'll be barely fighting for an 8th spot in the playoffs.. It's pathetic. My biggest fear is that we'll miss out on an opportunity to sign Nate McMillan. I'd like Jerry Sloan or Larry Brown but I don't see DTS shelling out money like that for a coach.

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We need a real man to lead this team. Vinny can't handle all of this.

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You might as well,,seems as though our team is taking many games off too.

MO probably waited until he was officially not traded to go apeshi@.

Sad thing to me last night was besides sucking,,,the Suns playing Hack-a-Blake. Even though it worked,,how it really worked was you could see the team deflate once that started. Instant swagger killer,,,,they just died on the court.

Where is our CP3 with the last 2 minutes. Ralph, or Mike,,says "It's CP3 time now",,but he did nothing.

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75% chance our players aren't in it Saturday and we get rocked by the rockets.

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I don't understand the logic of this statement. This team has done pretty well considering this is only their 1st year together. Also, it's not like the FO hasn't done the right moves to make the players think that they're not headed in the right direction. I think CP3 and Blake knows that they're in a pretty good situation with this team. Check the standings... we're still in 5th even though we've look terrible the last several games.

For the first time, I'm actually not worried as a Clipper fan that the team will get it together. I feel like this team is too good to not pick things up and hit their stride right before playoffs when it'll really count.

ekker3
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I think we might need to change the title since the mo/vin altercation smells like a big fat rumor.

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if this team had Popovich, we'd win multiple championships in the upcoming years! Pop would change blake's diva attitude around and transform our bench into studdddds

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Anyone notice the awkwardness that came in last nights press conference?

"Would you consider the offense in the fourth quarter to be predictable?"

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Thinking of answer

Vdn: "...No."

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So when a team loses they're a bunch of divas, but when they're putting up W's it's all good? So this team was really expected not to run into any setbacks? In that case the hornets and the bobcats should move their team to Las Vegas. Like I said, it's not like we're on the bottom in the standings have no shot at the playoffs. If anything, incidents like this will only workout itself and make our team that much better. I don't know about you guys, but my cup is half full and something like doesn't take away minutes from my sleep.

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The so-called "diva" attitude from Blake is nothing but a combination of frustration, fatigue and lack of experience. People must be forgetting that this only Blake's 2nd year in the league playing. There's still a lot of things he has to learn and that's where the vets are outwitting him.

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Yeah, I can't see any confirm that Mo vs VDN really happened.

Having said that, I am ready to start the bench and sit the starters. Let the starters come off the bench. At least our bench is playing like their pants are on fire. Maybe this would be a wake up call for the starters.

If I see Blake receive the ball in the post one more time and pause.....and pause.... and think.....and look around.....I'm going to puke. Grab the frickin ball and go.

If I see CP3 pass up open jumpers one more time to pass it to Blake out on top only to have him pause.....and think.....and maybe shoot, Im going to puke again. CP3 should shoot the frickin ball. He is our best crunch time player. He should act like it........every game.

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I know the best coach for the Clippers. Bobby Knight. The second the screw up or stop playing hard, he will throw a chair at them.

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I see no sources, except incarcerated bob (whoever that is) that says there was an altercation... all 3 links site the same "source"...

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Without Blake and CP3 we'd be a bottom feeder so I wouldn't have it any other way. Our schedule consist of either back to back games or only having one day off at a time for the remainder of the season. That fact that there's still shootarounds and practices in between those games... could fatigue be a factor!! As much as you guys think these professional NBA players are machines from the future, that they are not. Trust me, adrenaline rush they need to keep the wheels moving.

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No, the question was "Would it be unfair to characterize the offense in the 4th Q as predictable and disorganized?"

Long pause.

VDN: "No"

He was admitting that it was.

Take from it what you will, but I see a coach who knows he's not H.O.F. material, but believes he can win games with full effort from his players.

He hasn't been getting that kind of consistent effort recently. Until he does, and we're still losing, I think it's asinine to talk about replacing the coaching staff.

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This team is not a bunch of divas... They are a frustrated lot who don't know how to win and desperately need a coach in place who does.

Defensively, we switch way too much, creating bad mismatches that other teams exploit. Players need to hedge and help their teammates stay with their assignment. Switching is what the offents wants you to do... This is on the coach because switching is part of the defensive philosophy.

Offensively, too much of the clock is being dribbled away. The picks are coming late so we don't get to explore all the options available to us. Again, speeding up play is something the coach has to demand and be able to make happen. Likewise, we almost never get out on the break. With Griffin and DJ as our bigs we should be one of the fastest teams in the league. Instead we have this tremendous asset we're not taking advantage of.

And of course some of this is on the players... Having two starters who don't make foul shots has easily cost us at least four wins this season... Blake goes to the line with an eight point lead and throws up an airball and one that barely draws iron. Instead of going up ten and building momentum, the Suns come down and hit a three and we're up 5 and it's all down hill.

CP3 needs to be more agressive offensively, picking his spots throughout the game. He's not attacking enough. He should have six points in at least three out of every four quarters.

Far, far, far better coaches than Vinnie Del Negro have been fired already this season. Vinnie must go and sooner rather than later.

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Agreed. I'm getting tired of seeing people chastise the guy who, let's face it, kept us in the game the whole time. This guy's still learning. Usually that happens for a player in his second year. I almost feel like we threw all these talented players around him too soon, because we now want him to be where they are now. We're trying to force him to be a veteran clutch player. Something I can safely say was not the case for guys like Barkley and Malone in their second year. So even though we'd all like to see him take over down the stretch, it's easy to understand why he's deferring to CP3 or Mo in the those situations. He will have to take those open shots with more confidence and I think he will...if we give him time and room to grow.

It would almost have been better to give him a couple of years to be the MAN on this team, learning to take over as a superstar before surrounding him with more talented guys. But we have a talented team around him now. Hopefully, he'll develop the way he needs to off season and on.

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Let Mike Smith and VDN go a few rounds in the ring to decide who coaches this team. My moneys on Ralph!

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WOW!! if he doesn't get fired today something is seriously wrong.Were 2 games away from being OUT of the playoffs and that would be a disaster for the Clippers on so many levels

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Unfortunately when the players aren't taking the majority of the blame, it's the coach who is usually the first to go...most coaches, as they say are hired to be fired.

This was gut wrenching loss to a team the basically said from the beginning tip off, without their best players, we're conceding this win to you guys. The energy level was good for about 1.5 qtrs and then the Clippers unprofessionally took the rest of the night off. 80% is on the players and 20% on the coaching staff.

Paul needs to step up and take control of this team big time...starting THIS Saturday. This is the guy who is suppose to hate losing...well CP3, you better start showing some of that hate real soon or this is as much or more on you and the rest of the boys is it is on Vinny.

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apostle wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
Anyone notice the awkwardness that came in last nights press conference?

"Would you consider the offense in the fourth quarter to be predictable?"

Pause

Pause

Pause

Thinking of answer

Vdn: "...No."

WOW!! if he doesn't get fired today something is seriously wrong.Were 2 games away from being OUT of the playoffs and that would be a disaster for the Clippers on so many levels

Read Cleeper's post above...again.

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Paolo310 wrote:
BringKamanBack wrote:
if this team had Popovich, we'd win multiple championships in the upcoming years! Pop would change blake's diva attitude around and transform our bench into studdddds

The so-called "diva" attitude from Blake is nothing but a combination of frustration, fatigue and lack of experience. People must be forgetting that this only Blake's 2nd year in the league playing. There's still a lot of things he has to learn and that's where the vets are outwitting him.

You're right, but the dude is killing himself with the refs. It's like they're competing with each other to see who can let him get hit hardest without blowing the whistle.

Even when he does get a call, he stares at the ref like "Duh, OBVIOUSLY!" and they don't like him for it. He needs to keep his head down and just keep pushing to the rim like a highly-trained beast.

Vinny can help him by expanding his vocabulary to include the phrase: "Are you f**king BLIND? How'd you like it if I wallop YOU like that, motherf**ker?".

Sure, it'll cost us a tech, and Vinny a few grand, but it'll let Blake know that coach has his back, and hopefully the refs will begin to forget Blake's reputation as a complainer... but unfortunately, it'll take some time because that reputation has been earned.

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lol, I was just about to bring that up, and brought that up when discussing the loss, and our need for a new coach with my Uncle, who is a Laker fan. If this exhange doesn't open doubters eyes that we need a new coach, I don't know what will.

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And actually the question was

"would it be wrong to say the offense tonight was predictable"

I was shocked when Vinny said "no", actually admitting his system is failing.

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cleepers wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
Anyone notice the awkwardness that came in last nights press conference?

"Would you consider the offense in the fourth quarter to be predictable?"

Pause

Pause

Pause

Thinking of answer

Vdn: "...No."

No, the question was "Would it be unfair to characterize the offense in the 4th Q as predictable and disorganized?"

Long pause.

VDN: "No"

He was admitting that it was.

Take from it what you will, but I see a coach who knows he's not H.O.F. material, but believes he can win games with full effort from his players.

He hasn't been getting that kind of consistent effort recently. Until he does, and we're still losing, I think it's asinine to talk about replacing the coaching staff.

you're right. thanks for the correction.

but still, it was remarkably awkward (and kinda made you feel sympathetic) watching him take so long to answer the question. its as if he was looking failure right in the eye and thinking "crap".

i definitely feel for the guy and cant say anything bad about him other than what i see on the court.

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tense2 wrote:
apostle wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
Anyone notice the awkwardness that came in last nights press conference?

"Would you consider the offense in the fourth quarter to be predictable?"

Pause

Pause

Pause

Thinking of answer

Vdn: "...No."

WOW!! if he doesn't get fired today something is seriously wrong.Were 2 games away from being OUT of the playoffs and that would be a disaster for the Clippers on so many levels

Read Cleeper's post above...again.

Read what how you and ONE other person think that replacing VDN wouldn't be the answer have you not realised yet that the team has quit on him.

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but that's why they're divas, they dont know how to win. a handfull of them are vain, undisciplined professionals who find it difficult to work under direction or as part of a team:

QUICK examples of the 3 main culprits:

Blake - barking at refs affecting transition - especially when its to cover up his mistakes, slow-mo stare down strut after dunks (instead of running back on d)

Mo - is obviously unhappy with his role and wants that starter label

DJ - undeserved arrogance on the court, emphasizing his individual defensive stats rather than playing team defense

i mean, its not as bad as it could be and maybe im exaggerating it a bit, but i dont like it.

cheers to reggie, randy, and caron for being nothing but blue collar professionals. they've earned their clipper stripes.

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