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partytime
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Post subject: smiles that it's almost over
 Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 07:36 AM PST
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So i will accept the fact that everyone is sick of the season...haha
there's really not much to talk about, really.
I just want to point out some things that really frustrate me and probably a lot of other fans.
-we are not playing as a team- i really feel that the clippers right now are not playing together. they seem dysfunctional a lot of the time and really don't have a sense of 'family' when they play.
-players are playing for themselves-corey maggette especially, i feel he is doing it to improve his status in the free agent market. I mean, heck, he is playing well, scoring 30 points in recent games, but his style of play really revolves around himself.
We settle for something less-a lot of players do what they can with their own talents. As in, one on one play occurs a lot during games. Tim Thomas, Mobley, Maggette, Throton, they shoot a lot when it isn't the best thing to do in that possession. We take shots from outside rather than being aggressive. We SETTLE for a jumper rather than the extra pass.
Where's the heart?-we lost a lot of heart. we don't hustle, we don't try. it really feels like we're going through the motions. We don't box out. We should be boxingout even more bcuz of the lack of size, but we give up the rebound bcuz we're too short. we lose credibility that we can compete w/ others.
Those are just a few points that I would like to express upon.
Question? would we be able to trade corey? no right? he's going to test freeagency, so we have no real control, unless we resign him, correct? |
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Post subject: RE: smiles that it's almost over
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 10:44 AM PST
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Clipper 6th Man
Joined: Aug 13, 2007
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Location: L.A CLIPPERS#1
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| I think the owner told mike Dunleavy to lose the rest of the games. Because if not we will get fire by him |
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Post subject: Re: smiles that it's almost over
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 10:59 AM PST
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Clipper Starter
Joined: Feb 23, 2007
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partytime wrote:
Question? would we be able to trade corey? no right? he's going to test freeagency, so we have no real control, unless we resign him, correct?
I think LAC could still do a sign-and-trade (utilizing their ability to sign him for more years). But that would be their only option other than the FA scenario.
I agree with you on all points partytime. It's all 1-on-1 out there. When Brevin made that nice pass to Powell, I fell off my chair I haven't seen a creative assist like that in forever. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: smiles that it's almost over
Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 11:04 AM PST
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Clipper Starter
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| Clippers will win 2 more games the rest of the season...................mark the tape |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 12:28 PM PST
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Clipper 6th Man
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| I'm confused. I said in an earlier post that Kaman was supposed to have asserted that "guys were playing for their numbers", and then last night the announcers said that Corey recently made a similar statement. This after HE shot every time he touched the ball in the third quarter in Atlanta. Well, except once. So... if Corey's calling somebody out after that performance... who is it? Is it a pot/kettle thing or is Corey just making sure that teams realize that he's not part of the problem here when he opts out? I don't know. Its too bad, injuries crushed much of the team's potential at the start of the season, and the continued losing seems to have eaten away at any sort of spirit that was left. Al seems to hustle most times, but at others it looks like he almost runs away from opportunities to go to the offensive glass. Thomas on occasion actually abandons his "cruise the perimeter" ways and boards or makes an inside defensive play... but it's only on occasion. Kaman evidently doesn't even WANT to play anymore... well, that may be harsh, but you think if we were in the mix for a playoff spot he'd still be sitting? C-714 says 2 more wins... unless the guys pick up on some of that competitive spirit that got them in the league in the first place we'll be lucky to do that. Dunleavy was always a scrappy, hustling player. This has got to be killing him. |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 01:32 PM PST
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Clipper Starter
Joined: Dec 05, 2007
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| yep. They definitely lost their heart. It's interesting how against Minnesota they missed at least three free throws that would have pulled it in it in the late fourth quarter and they didnt even look frusturated. THey just smiled and stepped up for the next one. |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 02:02 PM PST
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Clipper All-Star
Joined: Jul 26, 2007 Age: 40
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We can't have it both ways guys. Some of us have said to tank the rest of the season while others are saying stay the course...which is it???? Do we want a great spot in the draft in case we lose Maggette or other players for that matter? Or do we want a below respectable record at the end of the season? All I want is a great draft pick and the lower the number the better.
This season didn't work out the way we planned it but when does it ever? I have accepted our fate and now I look forward to picking up a potential superstar in this coming draft. I also look forward to having Thornton mature with the final games left so he is ready next season in a starting spot. Other than that, I don't worry about anything else...including the wins. Lets not fool ourselves and piss and moan about a dismal season that was not for lack of effort but or lack of man power. I was the first one that praised the Clippers before this season and had it not been for the injuries and the oh so many starting lineups we might have been a .500 team....without a doubt. No crying now, I know the cause and effect of the circumstances so I have peace and serenity even with our current record.
Besides that, I agree with Partytime on just about every issue. I don't hold anything on Maggette or anyone else trying to "get paid" by showing what they can do. It's still a business and since we have no hope to do anything as a team it has now become a "every man for himself" attitude... understandable. Even Smush looks like he is auditioning for a contract by taking to many ill advised shots since he has been here.
In any case, I rather lose all the remaining games to see how high we can get in the draft. Chin up guys, its almost over and then we can decide what superstar we want to draft. |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 05:42 PM PST
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| We won't tank, we are just going to flat out lose against every team except Memphis and @ Seattle..... |
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 - 10:31 PM PST
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Clipper 6th Man
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I haven't had much time to comment this season since my time is consumed with teaching, going through the master's program, and caring for an 8-month old; however, I had to take the time to say something. Partytime brings up some great points of frustration from the team this year. I understand about the injuries and the Clippers can use this as a bit of an excuse this year. But I think that many of these points also relate to last year's team, and we can't use injuries as an excuse for that season. There was absolutely no reason why the Clippers should not have made the playoffs last year. They had the talent; however, all of us saw the same lack of hustle, heart, teamwork, etc. in the team last year. The only one that brought it every night was Elton Brand, so when he was lost for this season I guess we should have expected our current situation.
If this is happening two seasons in a row, then we need to assess the team as a whole. This means that not only the players have to be looked at, but also the coach. We've had Chris Kaman, Corey Maggette, and Tim Thomas all saying that the team is playing the wrong way, with players looking to pad their stats as opposed to doing what is best for the team. If three of the main players are saying this then maybe the coach ain't taking care of business in the locker room.
Hopefully things will change next year and we won't be bringing up these same frustrating points. There's just no reason for a team not to play "the right way". |
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Post subject: Re: smiles that it's almost over
Posted: Mar 19, 2008 - 12:06 AM PST
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Joined: Apr 13, 2001
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partytime wrote:
Where's the heart?-we lost a lot of heart. we don't hustle, we don't try. it really feels like we're going through the motions. We don't box out. We should be boxingout even more bcuz of the lack of size, but we give up the rebound bcuz we're too short. we lose credibility that we can compete w/ others.
Those are just a few points that I would like to express upon.
Question? would we be able to trade corey? no right? he's going to test freeagency, so we have no real control, unless we resign him, correct?
It's disappointing for sure, but I'd like to ask- where is the talent? Where is the interior defense? Bottom line is that the depleted lineup that the Clippers are fielding out they're not going to win many games, period. It's easy for us to say that the players should be boxing out better, but you can only box out to a certain extent. What I'm seeing is that we're getting out-muscled inside, and not out-hustled.
Some players like Tim Thomas are just what they are. They're big but they don't play physical. Does that mean he doesn't care? I don't think so. It's more that it's not his style of game. He rather be out there shooting open 3's and waving his hand in front of his face. Granted you can ask him to pick up the rebounding/interior defense, etc, but eventually he'll drift back to who he is. And if who he is doesn't fit our system then you have to find a way to trade him. I think he fits his role of a guy able to stretch the defense, but right now we don't have anyone inside so he's forced to go in there more.
But I think CJ has a good attitude going. If we get a win and see some good play from the guys, then great. Otherwise the positive is that we're headed to a better position in the lottery.
I'm okay with the way the guys are playing for the most part- they're just being outgunned. You have a 12th man on most NBA benches in Josh Powell doing the dirty work inside (he's actually doing fine, BTW). That's not to mention Nick Fazekas and 2nd/3rd string point guards having to play major minutes. You lose like 1/2 your offense with Brand/Kaman/Cassell gone, and pretty much your whole interior defense is kaput... from #1 or #2 in the league in blocks to near bottom. With those handicap you can play the right way all you want and you'll still lose to most of the teams.
As far as the draft goes- unless we can get Beasley or Rose I'm starting to think that we need more big time inside defenders. Hasheem Thabeet- that guy is a monster at manning the paint and should be seriously considered. He'd be a great insurance policy if Kaman keeps having injury problems. 7'3", 265 lbs- a shot blocking machine.
Man the West is so deep it's crazy. Even if the Clippers are stacked next year it'd be tough to make the top 7 or 8. Maybe the NBA needs to make a top 16 team system regardless conference for the playoffs instead of top 8 from each  |
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