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Post subject: Does this rumor make sense?
 Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 02:22 PM PST
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There's a new rumor involving the Clippers on ESPN, let me know if you guys think this makes any sense:
The other potential scenario for the Clippers is a trade. They've been talking to the Suns about a deal that would send Corey Maggette and No. 7 to Phoenix for Leandro Barbosa and No. 15.
This is how I see it:
Maggette > Barbossa
#7 pick > #15 pick
Yes, I know, Clippers will get a solid player in Barbossa for Maggette who is likely to leave regardless; however, I think we can do better for Maggette.
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Post subject: RE: Does this rumor make sense?
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 02:33 PM PST
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| If we did this, we might be able to get DJ Augustin at the 15 spot. Some feel he is the best "pure" PG in the draft. We will not do this unless OJ Mayo and Bayless are gone before the 7 pick. If they are still on the board then it's "No Deal." If they are gone then........maybe. But we would pick for Phoenix a player that we would be happy with and then complete the trade if the player we want at 15 is still there. This is a very iffy proposition. Do you have an ESPN link for this rumor? |
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Post subject: RE: Does this rumor make sense?
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 02:48 PM PST
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Dumbest s**t ever. I'm sorry but I would not even consider that. IMO we can do better than Barbossa for Maggette and then losing our 7th for the 15th pick. Seems so one sided. I also doubt Augustin will be on the board at 15. The Pacers will definitely pick him up at number 9 if he's still there. Just my opinion though  I think w should just stay were we are. As I've said before there's a lot of great picks at 7 and seeing as we need the young talent lets just keep the pick. |
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clipperfan909
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Post subject: RE: Does this rumor make sense?
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 02:49 PM PST
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Clipper 6th Man
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Post subject: RE: Does this rumor make sense?
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 02:53 PM PST
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| Yeah just about to post the link. They have as drafting Bayless in their new mock draft. Wouldn't be against that. Westbrook's stock is raising so fast. |
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JamFan
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Post subject: RE: Does this rumor make sense?
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:10 PM PST
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| Hey Clipps04, my comments above only speak to how the trade would come off if the rumor were true and said that all this is "Iffy." I wasn't promoting the rumor or the trade. Especially if certain players are still on the board at 7. I still think OJ or Bayless will be there at 7. ESPN now says Bayless will be there at 7. Surprised to see them saying that Westbrook will be gone at 4. Hmmmmm..... |
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Post subject: Clippers #7 & Maggette for Barbosa & #15 trade rumor
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:28 PM PST
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In the latest version of Chad Ford's mock NBA Draft there's a mention of a trade rumor where the Clippers would send Maggette and our #7 for Barbosa & the Sun's #15 pick. I don't like this trade either- I mean Corey Maggette is AT WORSE equal value for Barbosa, and our #7 is obviously much more valuable than their #15 pick. If they want to do a #7 swap for Barbosa that's fine but this other trade is just silly.
I don't know why we keep hearing these lopsided rumors that have the Clippers coming out on the short end of the stick....  |
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Post subject: RE: Does this rumor make sense?
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:28 PM PST
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No I know you weren't promoting it JamFan no worries. I was just saying in general, it's possibly the worst trade proposal rumor I've heard about the Clipps.
Yeah I was surprised as well to see Bayless going to us and Westbrook gone at 4....Maybe the sonics changed their mind on Bayless.....So that makes me wonder. Is Westbrook just blowing everyone away or is Bayless not doing as well as scouts thought? I'd think us getting Bayless would be a blessing....apparently even more so if we get Westrbook.
These past weeks have just been crazy.
3 more days guys!!!! |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette for Barbosa & #15
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:30 PM PST
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Cause no one likes us  lol |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette for Barbosa & #15
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:31 PM PST
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| Dave this is already being discussed in the above Rumor thread.....Merge |
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Post subject: Re: Does this rumor make sense?
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:31 PM PST
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clipperfan909 wrote:
There's a new rumor involving the Clippers on ESPN, let me know if you guys think this makes any sense:
The other potential scenario for the Clippers is a trade. They've been talking to the Suns about a deal that would send Corey Maggette and No. 7 to Phoenix for Leandro Barbosa and No. 15.
This is how I see it:
Maggette > Barbossa
#7 pick > #15 pick
Yes, I know, Clippers will get a solid player in Barbossa for Maggette who is likely to leave regardless; however, I think we can do better for Maggette.
What do you guys think?
I completely agree 100%! |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette for Barbosa &
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:37 PM PST
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| Bayless is a combo guard, who apparently needs to work on passing (not sure about that, it's just what i read on some sites)...I thought for sure he'd be gone right away, but if he's at our spot I'm sure the Clippers take him. I mean he's a great scorer, and he's very athletic...so it does bring us that area of our backcourt. I'd like a guy who can get the ball to anyone and doesnt turn it over, but if they just have to pass into EB or Kaveman or find a ready to drive/shoot Thornton...it can't be that hard. If he's the outside scorer we want and he can play the point to some level, he sounds real good. Westbrook seems like the best overall skills PG, Bayless seems like the best scoring PG, and Augustin seems like the best pure PG. Which do we need? I'm not quite sure. There's also Gordon who should transition into a great shooter pretty smoothly, but hasnt really played the point. Although some say he could be an effective PG too. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette for Barbosa &
Posted: Jun 23, 2008 - 03:39 PM PST
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| Crap...I forgot about Mayo in those "best PG" categories...he's probably the best scoring PG then. But I seriously doubt he'll be around after 5. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette for Barbosa &
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 04:40 AM PST
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jlemmen43 wrote:
Crap...I forgot about Mayo in those "best PG" categories...he's probably the best scoring PG then. But I seriously doubt he'll be around after 5.
I see that all these players: Bayless, Mayo, Gordon, Westbrook are SG...I doubt someone of them could play the PG position in NBA. To put any of those players playing the PG is like playing Iverson at the PG position...
Point guards are born, not made.
Our starter PG should come from the free agents or via trade trading for Maggete |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette for Barbosa &
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 04:52 AM PST
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Miquel wrote:
jlemmen43 wrote:
Crap...I forgot about Mayo in those "best PG" categories...he's probably the best scoring PG then. But I seriously doubt he'll be around after 5.
I see that all these players: Bayless, Mayo, Gordon, Westbrook are SG...I doubt someone of them could play the PG position in NBA. To put any of those players playing the PG is like playing Iverson at the PG position...
Point guards are born, not made.
Our starter PG should come from the free agents or via trade trading for Maggete
agreed.
i think bayless and mayo would do alright as PG's but wont put in the same kind of leadership that sam cassell had when he was still with the clippers |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette for B
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 12:36 PM PST
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There seems to be quite a lot buzz out there about this potential trade. Although, I don't think it's a good move, let's say it happens for sake of conversation.
So, if we get Barbossa and the 15th pick, I say what we try to do is either draft Brandon Rush if he's available, or force Phoenix to find us a higher pick maybe in the 10-11 range where we can grab Augustine. We could have a potential team of:
Barbossa/Knight/Livingston
Rush/Mobley
Thornton/Thomas
Brand/Davis
Kaman
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Augustine
Barbossa
Thornton
Brand
Kaman
I don't know about you guys, but even though I love Rush and think he could be this year's sleeper, the second situation looks a lot better for us. The problem is with Barbossa, he's not a PG, and that's what we need, desperately. If we can turn that 15th pick into Augustine somehow, then the deal might be worth it. Otherwise, I say we stick with our situation, draft Westbrook/Gordon and then use Maggette for trade bait for another player. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Maggette f
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 12:48 PM PST
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| I mean if that's all we can do I would do it but I don't think it's a good idea because we could do better than that. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Magget
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 01:44 PM PST
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| I wouldn't do that deal. I don't see why the picks have to be involved. Maggette for Barbosa straight up would be a good move for both teams, but when you throw in the exchange of picks the clips end up on the losing side. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Magget
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 01:45 PM PST
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I still don't like the trade at all. As David said, at worst Maggette is equal to Barbossa and then we lose our 7 pick for their 15...
Maggette it worth more than Barbossa in my opinion so this trade really doesn't give us equal value and makes us look a bit desperate to rid Maggette.
We can do better. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Ma
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 01:53 PM PST
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I agree with all of you, the trade blows. Maggette for Barbossa, I guess we can do that. But no need to trade the picks.
However, still Maggette for Barbossa doesn't make any sense to me. If we trade Maggette, lets get someone that can help us do the things that Maggette can't, I mean that's the point of a trade right? Barbossa doesn't do much more that Maggette can't do. We need an outside threat (i.e. Mike Miller) or a PG (i.e. hopefully Calderon). This better be just ESPN trying stir up some news for ratings like usual. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers #7 & Ma
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 02:04 PM PST
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| You're right, Maggette is worth more than Barbosa. Giving it a little more thought, can't see how the clipper's would settle for this trade even if it was straight up. If i remember correctly, the clips had a maggette for artest deal bascially done a couple years ago with the pacer's. If anything Maggette's stock should be higher than previous years since he had one of his best seasons last year. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Clippers #7 &amp
Posted: Jun 24, 2008 - 02:14 PM PST
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| Barbosa is a very quick and athletic guard, and we can use one of those. He can shoot from the 3 and score driving the hoop. We can use that too. At best, a straight up trade works for me. But I see no reason that we would trade picks. If we had the 15 pick and Phoenix had the 7, then I would be asking for a trade of picks, but not the other way around. Also, you are trading inside your conference making one of your opponents stronger. |
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