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Post subject: Dunleavy is not the problem.
 Posted: Apr 07, 2008 - 02:32 PM
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As a Clippers fan I am sick and tired of hearing Dunleavy get all the blame for the Clippers woes. Ever since he became the head coach of the team he has improved the Clippers record every year. Last year and this year, because of injuries...INJURIES (not coaching) he hasn't been able to keep the record respectable. People seem to forget that his coaching took the Clippers from one game away to the Western Conference Finals. Does he make mistakes? Yes!..He's Human, he's not perfect. What Dunleavy is, is a great coach for the clippers. Why would the Clippers play an up-tempo style basketball with Kaman and Brand? They are great defenders and an uptemp game takes away from your defense. The half court style of play is what the Clippers need. Kaman and Brand have phenominal post up games, that can finish with their back to the basket or even spot up from the elbow. The pick and roll will take this team where they need to go. What they need is a solid point guard that can shoot...(i.e. Jose Calderon)
Brevin Knight is a nice defender and a great passer, but he can't shoot...He's a solid backup PG...
Livingston...I love him, BUT...who knows if he will the same? We won't know until the summer...healthy or not, there needs to be a third solid PG on thsi team just in case there is another injury
Powell, who I've praised all year has become a great player. He would be a great backup for Elton Brand!
Fazekas/Davis...nice back ups for Kaman.
Thornton...Cant wait til he matures and learns how to play well against the best defenders in the league...but I don't think he should start next year.
Mobley/Thomas...can be great role players...both can hit the 3 (cat can drive/thomas can hit the elbow jumper)--THEY NEED LIMITED MINUTES
Q Ross - I hope stays with the team. His defense is tops...I still think he should be starting when you have Kaman and Brand out there....since brand and kaman have been out most of the year, it makes sense for him not to play so much because offense lacks.
MY PROJECTED DEPTH CHART
PG- [NEED STARTER], KNIGHT, LIVINGSTON
SG- [MAGGETTE (IF HE STAYS-IF NOT-MIKE MILLER)], MOBLEY
SF - ROSS, THORNTON, THOMAS
PF - BRAND, POWELL
C - KAMAN, DAVIS, FAZEKAS
All we need is a solid starting PG. Also, we need to retain Maggette or get a shooter like Mike Miller.
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Post subject: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 07, 2008 - 07:54 PM
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| 43 views and no responses? c'mon gimme some feedback |
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Post subject: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 07, 2008 - 08:01 PM
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While I dont think Mike is the best coach in the NBA, he does a good enough job. If we fire him and find someone else, I can GUARANTEE you, this team falls apart. Everyone has pretty much bought into what Dunleavy is selling. Lack of consistency because of injuries and some gaps in talent (backcourt) has pretty much sealed our fate. They played on effort all year, but the talent wasnt necessarily there, so results werent near what we wanted.
It's more about the players than the coaches at any professional level. REMEMBER THAT. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably plays too many video games. We NEED a young, talented backcourt and some youth to backup our vets and this team is right with every team fighting for a playoff spot right now.
My Projected Depth Chart (Similar to Mashian's):
PG - [Lottery Pick or FA or trade], Brevin Knight, Shaun Livingston (?? Maybe)
SG - [FA signing or Draft Pick], Cuttino Mobley, Draft Pick/Quinton Ross
SF - Al Thornton, Quinton Ross/Draft Pick
PF - Elton Brand, Tim Thomas, Josh Powell
C - Chris Kaman, Paul Davis/Draft Pick, Nick Fazekas (??) |
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Post subject: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 08, 2008 - 12:02 AM
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i think dunleavy is a good coach
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Post subject: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 08, 2008 - 05:14 PM
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Good post Mashian- repped. Dunleavy has a good track record, and this lost season was due to injuries. I agree with yours and JLemm's projected depth charts. I love Q but man he really needs to show some offensive like he did two years ago. But you know what- I think he will work his butt off this summer to regain his confidence and form. And I definitely hope he will return with the Clippers.
As for Powell- he's making great strides but I'm not ready to declare him the backup to Brand yet, however. |
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Post subject: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 08, 2008 - 07:49 PM
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| Well I'd hate to be the one to burst in here and oppose you, but I do not agree with this statement. Dunleavy is the sole reason (exaggerated, but only used to draw distinction from argument) that our team has done as poorly as it has this season. Did injuries contribute, of course, when you don't play a single game with a solid starting 5 it will effect your team. However, Dunleavy is not the best coach for this team, he is an average mediocre coach and will barely get your team into the playoffs - look at his history, he's had more talented teams, yet he never seems to break across a certain point. I agree that EB and Kaman have a remarkable low post game (EB more than Kaman), but both big guys are fast, capable, willing, and not to mention WANT to run the ball. Pay close attention to past seasons EB runs a fast break as well as any guard (and he is not your typical BIG guy, hes small for his position). And Kaman... well ill leave his AND1 skills to do the talking for itself. Dunleavy MOST IMPORTANTLY does not how to keep his players happy. Maggette (IMO equal importance as EB) is handicapped from Dunleavy's style of play, and Dunleavy enjoys fcucking with him, thats why CM wants out. I'm not saying we will thrive as a fast break Suns team, but compromise and meet in the middle. The Spurs are equipped with a stunning half-court game, but they win when their fast break does well. Yes, Dunleavy makes mistakes, too many mistakes to take us anywhere far. We have a team that is/was good enough to make Finals. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 08, 2008 - 08:25 PM
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LAC_12 wrote:
Dunleavy MOST IMPORTANTLY does not how to keep his players happy. Maggette (IMO equal importance as EB) is handicapped from Dunleavy's style of play, and Dunleavy enjoys fcucking with him, thats why CM wants out.
Beg to differ. It's not that Dunleavy doesn't know how to keep his players happy, it is because Maggette doesn't know how to play in Dunleavy's game plan. Sure Maggette can get his numbers day in and day out but during the course of the time he kills momentum with TO"s and that would piss any coach off. Maggette is a good player but at times he looks lost out there and at other times plays with the team. He is inconsistent but has great physical skills. If anything, it seems Maggette refuses to play the way the coach wants and that to me is selfish. Dunleavy isn't there to please the players and last I heard, he stuck his neck out to get Kaman a big contract. EB wants to come back...why? Its Maggette that isn't happy being the 3rd option on this team. That is why Dunleavy is so critical of him. This of course is JMHO. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 08, 2008 - 09:59 PM
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Maggette has always come across a bit selfish in the way he plays. Dunleavy has a system. Maggette isnt quite in it. The whole Maggette-Dunleavy thing is way out of proportion if you ask me. These guys are professionals. They may not agree on some things and maybe Corey doesnt always listen to Coach and maybe Coach doesnt always listen to Corey's ideas, but they both know that if they fight they wont have their jobs in the future. I never had a problem trading Corey because I dont think he fits Dunleavy's style. And I have nothing against Corey, but I belive he holds this team back sometimes. Al Thornton is willing to learn more than Corey, and is more talented. They need to move on from Corey and get some balance in our backcourt. Our inside game is what the Clippers are set up to do with Brand & Kaman. But if there isnt some balance on the outside, they become 1-dimensional and the team eventually fails. Thornton can replace Maggette's stats, plus add the teamwork and discipline that Corey seemed to not have at times AND maybe actually make this team better. EB makes this team better with his leadership and consistency. Maggette plays hard and does very well, but he's been in the lineup a lot of the season and did he seem like he was just out there doing his job, or did it seem like he tried to rally the troops to do their best and fight for a win? I dunno, you guys tell me cuz I dont get to see any of the games.
Dunleavy is not all the problem. Yeah it'd be great to have a better coach, but who is out there that is gonna bring us back to where we were 2 years ago? No coach is that good. It took Phil Jackson about 3 years to resurrect the Lakers, and he's the best in the business. NO, It's not the Coaches that make or break a team. It's the PLAYERS!!! Coaches contribute to the success, but they can only put the right tools on the court. The Tools, aka Players, (sorry for the analogy) need to do their job and if that means doing it the way the Coach has designed it, then so be it. If they wanna win, they'll listen. If you ask me, it's 25% Coaching, 75% Players. Well I'm tired of talking, so I'll let you guys comment more. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 01:50 AM
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jlemmen43 wrote:
Maggette has always come across a bit selfish in the way he plays. Dunleavy has a system. Maggette isnt quite in it. The whole Maggette-Dunleavy thing is way out of proportion if you ask me. These guys are professionals. They may not agree on some things and maybe Corey doesnt always listen to Coach and maybe Coach doesnt always listen to Corey's ideas, but they both know that if they fight they wont have their jobs in the future. I never had a problem trading Corey because I dont think he fits Dunleavy's style. And I have nothing against Corey, but I belive he holds this team back sometimes. Al Thornton is willing to learn more than Corey, and is more talented. They need to move on from Corey and get some balance in our backcourt. Our inside game is what the Clippers are set up to do with Brand & Kaman. But if there isnt some balance on the outside, they become 1-dimensional and the team eventually fails. Thornton can replace Maggette's stats, plus add the teamwork and discipline that Corey seemed to not have at times AND maybe actually make this team better. EB makes this team better with his leadership and consistency. Maggette plays hard and does very well, but he's been in the lineup a lot of the season and did he seem like he was just out there doing his job, or did it seem like he tried to rally the troops to do their best and fight for a win? I dunno, you guys tell me cuz I dont get to see any of the games.
Dunleavy is not all the problem. Yeah it'd be great to have a better coach, but who is out there that is gonna bring us back to where we were 2 years ago? No coach is that good. It took Phil Jackson about 3 years to resurrect the Lakers, and he's the best in the business. NO, It's not the Coaches that make or break a team. It's the PLAYERS!!! Coaches contribute to the success, but they can only put the right tools on the court. The Tools, aka Players, (sorry for the analogy) need to do their job and if that means doing it the way the Coach has designed it, then so be it. If they wanna win, they'll listen. If you ask me, it's 25% Coaching, 75% Players. Well I'm tired of talking, so I'll let you guys comment more.
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Post subject: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 02:06 AM
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clipper*joe wrote:
LAC_12 wrote:
Dunleavy MOST IMPORTANTLY does not how to keep his players happy. Maggette (IMO equal importance as EB) is handicapped from Dunleavy's style of play, and Dunleavy enjoys fcucking with him, thats why CM wants out.
Beg to differ. It's not that Dunleavy doesn't know how to keep his players happy, it is because Maggette doesn't know how to play in Dunleavy's game plan. Sure Maggette can get his numbers day in and day out but during the course of the time he kills momentum with TO"s and that would piss any coach off. Maggette is a good player but at times he looks lost out there and at other times plays with the team. He is inconsistent but has great physical skills. If anything, it seems Maggette refuses to play the way the coach wants and that to me is selfish. Dunleavy isn't there to please the players and last I heard, he stuck his neck out to get Kaman a big contract. EB wants to come back...why? Its Maggette that isn't happy being the 3rd option on this team. That is why Dunleavy is so critical of him. This of course is JMHO.
you said no, but your description says yes. a coach keeps his players happy. he keeps h makeup. when CM50 does not deserve to be a 3rd option why is he? Coaches mistake, another one. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 02:11 AM
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jlemmen43 wrote:
Maggette has always come across a bit selfish in the way he plays. Dunleavy has a system. Maggette isnt quite in it. The whole Maggette-Dunleavy thing is way out of proportion if you ask me. These guys are professionals. They may not agree on some things and maybe Corey doesnt always listen to Coach and maybe Coach doesnt always listen to Corey's ideas, but they both know that if they fight they wont have their jobs in the future. I never had a problem trading Corey because I dont think he fits Dunleavy's style. And I have nothing against Corey, but I belive he holds this team back sometimes. Al Thornton is willing to learn more than Corey, and is more talented. They need to move on from Corey and get some balance in our backcourt. Our inside game is what the Clippers are set up to do with Brand & Kaman. But if there isnt some balance on the outside, they become 1-dimensional and the team eventually fails. Thornton can replace Maggette's stats, plus add the teamwork and discipline that Corey seemed to not have at times AND maybe actually make this team better. EB makes this team better with his leadership and consistency. Maggette plays hard and does very well, but he's been in the lineup a lot of the season and did he seem like he was just out there doing his job, or did it seem like he tried to rally the troops to do their best and fight for a win? I dunno, you guys tell me cuz I dont get to see any of the games.
Dunleavy is not all the problem. Yeah it'd be great to have a better coach, but who is out there that is gonna bring us back to where we were 2 years ago? No coach is that good. It took Phil Jackson about 3 years to resurrect the Lakers, and he's the best in the business. NO, It's not the Coaches that make or break a team. It's the PLAYERS!!! Coaches contribute to the success, but they can only put the right tools on the court. The Tools, aka Players, (sorry for the analogy) need to do their job and if that means doing it the way the Coach has designed it, then so be it. If they wanna win, they'll listen. If you ask me, it's 25% Coaching, 75% Players. Well I'm tired of talking, so I'll let you guys comment more.
somewhat agree, but this is not the case. Dunleeavy has not steered this team that well this season. as the head coach your 25% is to steer. look all im saying is our team is good, its not dunleavy that took us to the playofss. gentry could have done it too with this group. but dunleavy's system doesn't benefit the team as a whole. he needs to grow as a coach and thats something he has to do outside the clipper organization. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 03:07 AM
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| Good post JLemm- repped! Personally I think Maggette is a solid fit for us because he provides scoring and plays really hard. I don't buy that there's any big rift between he and Dunleavy. Maybe he's a bit miffed after hearing those confirmed rumors of Dunleavy wanting to trade him for Jason Terry. I mean remember earlier in the season he and Dunleavy sounded like buddy-buddies. But that's horrible how something like that can be leaked out and then confirmed by the organization. That public feud between Dunleavy & Sterling really hurt the team. If we do let Maggette go, we better heck get some 20 point a game scorer in return, and right now I'm not seeing that many 20 ppg free agents out there. Best thing is to sign him, hopefully for about $10 mil a year, and then draft some backcourt help. And hopefully we can add an outside threat such as JC Navarro to the team + a big power front court defensive presence to round things out. Mobley and Thomas are still very credible 3 point shooters, and when you have scoring threats playing alongside them it makes their job of knocking down outside shots just that much easier. |
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Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 06:50 AM
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I'll have to go with JL with a couple of exceptions. (remember Brunson in the Sun's game?) It's hard to blame MD for this year. Atilla the Hun couldn't have whipped this busted up mess into shape. We never had a consistant enough line up the develop anything but a loser's mentality. Especially with the Cassel thing it isn't MD's fault. Corey seems to be our major subject of discussion. WE ALL LOVE #50 but he only does one thing, crash the boards. The reason he's gonna' be 3rd option is that in the framework of team basketball that's where he should be. Dunlevy has a point. If he'd become the player we hoped he be in the last off season he wouldn't always be #3.
Thomas should go but I who could we get for his lazy arse? Remember Dallas? His sloppy play lost the game not MD. We obviously lack a backcourt. I still feel we should give anything to get Ellis. I was cheap at $3.5 but David's $55 mill /5yr is a lot more reasonable (I hadn't watched him a lot until recently) Hell, I'd even throw in JLemm  |
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Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 10:28 AM
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Post subject: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 11:10 AM
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LAC_12 wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
LAC_12 wrote:
Dunleavy MOST IMPORTANTLY does not how to keep his players happy. Maggette (IMO equal importance as EB) is handicapped from Dunleavy's style of play, and Dunleavy enjoys fcucking with him, thats why CM wants out.
Beg to differ. It's not that Dunleavy doesn't know how to keep his players happy, it is because Maggette doesn't know how to play in Dunleavy's game plan. Sure Maggette can get his numbers day in and day out but during the course of the time he kills momentum with TO"s and that would piss any coach off. Maggette is a good player but at times he looks lost out there and at other times plays with the team. He is inconsistent but has great physical skills. If anything, it seems Maggette refuses to play the way the coach wants and that to me is selfish. Dunleavy isn't there to please the players and last I heard, he stuck his neck out to get Kaman a big contract. EB wants to come back...why? Its Maggette that isn't happy being the 3rd option on this team. That is why Dunleavy is so critical of him. This of course is JMHO.
you said no, but your description says yes. a coach keeps his players happy. he keeps h makeup. when CM50 does not deserve to be a 3rd option why is he? Coaches mistake, another one.
What I meant by that is those decisions he made were not necessarily to keep the players happy, it was a decision based on the betterment of the team and it just so happens that it involved making the player happy.
Maggette deserves 3 rd option just by his inconsistency. He deserves to be a third option cause Dunleavy's offense is a low post offense and he is a slasher.
I might be off on this but he will never be a go to guy in this league. Not bashing him but I just don't see him creating for others. JMHO. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 10:04 PM
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| You know, every interview this guy does it's like "Uh...we played good defense. Uh....they shot the ball better. Uh...they scored more points and uh... as a result we lost" Personally I dont think he's a great coach. he should've won at least 30 games this year, and I don't care about the injuries. If there's a will, there's a way, and they way Dunleavy sounds, there is no will. |
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Posted: Apr 09, 2008 - 11:32 PM
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You know what, I really think a lot of people should watch more games and look at the stats so they can get the FACTS straight! Dunleavy is a decent coach. If I could give him a grade it would be a low B(B-). Even though how much I feel like bashing him and how much I have screamed at my TV, and believe me it has been a lot. He is a decent coach that has gotten the clippers the farthest they have ever been. Let me put it like this:
Pros:
1. His coaching style revolves around defense and which every NBA fan knows "Defense wins championships".
2. Signed kaman for 5 year 55 mil deal.(which he probably could have gotten him for much,much less if he would have waited until this year). Still a smart move because he recognized the talent level early.
3. 2nd round of the play offs
4. Referees while he coaches and really no one does a better job.
5. Hasn't gave up on livingston (still not confirmed but looks like livingston has one more chance).
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1. Substituted ewing for mobley with 3.6 seconds left in game five of the playoffs. Honestly, that move either makes him a genious or a complete idiot. It didn't make him a genious.
2. Couldn't swallow his pride and start his second best player(at the time)l06-07 season which would have at least added to one more victory which would have led us into the playoffs.
3. No offensive imagination, post, post, post, post, post, pass, post, and post. Need I say more.
4. Very questionable substitutions which brings me back to point one. I was at the spurs game last year and we were losing by 14 with like 10 min. left in the 4th and he takes out all starters out. What?? I was PISSED!!!!
5. Doesn't play enough of his rookies, I know we are not trying to make it seem like we are tanking, but that williams kid looks long and athletic give him a chance.
From the pros and cons he has the goods and the bads. He is what he is. I don't think there is any hope in his offensive coaching game becoming better. We have a solid core. I agree with david. We need to keep Maggette. Kaman and Maggette are 2nd and third options not in any order. Depending of the opposition, would depend on there offensive options. THERE IS NOT ONE FREE AGENT IN THE LEAGUE THAT CAN GIVE YOU 20 PLUS POINTS A NIGHT CONSIsTANTLY WHILE GIVING YOU ABOUT 6 REBOUNDS THAT IS as EFFICIENT AS MAGGETE THAT IS WILLING TO COME HERE. The emphasis of this last statement is we are not going to draw someone to LA with our rep. Golden State is not going to let anyone go. Neither is anyone else with 20 plus point guys. Dunleavy knows that he needs Maggette no matter what personal issues he has against him. Maggette's defense is average and he doesn't just crash the boards as much as he used to. He crashes and scores or goes around players. But this is about dunleavy. The only way we could become a championship type caliber team is by letting our offense flow through the mind of a great PG. Dunleavy doesn't have enough offensive coaching skills to raise us to the top. We need a FA pg, not a rookie. Don't get me wrong, we should draft a pg, yes. But we need a veteran that can shoot and create. If livingston comes back to the level we all know he can play he will start and we will have a great back up pg. The only FA that I believe that can start or back us up at PG is TJ ford. The guy can pass and shoot. Not deadly behind the arc but decent. Great creator and gets everyone involved, sam cassel type. But looks like he is not a FA after all according to hoopshype. We need a PG bad. Dunleavy passes, maybe enough to coach a decent team to .500 level. With out a pg that can lead our team, never going to win a championship. FACT! |
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LAC_12
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Dunleavy is not the problem.
Posted: Apr 10, 2008 - 12:07 AM
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Clipper 6th Man
Joined: May 29, 2004
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Location: LA
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| honestly to sum it all up... we are all right and have valid points. However Dunleavy is not a good coach, this is not based on this season or anything. Overall, look at Dunleavy's record... He's an OK coach at best mediocre. He's had great teams and could not take them to compete at great levels. Playoffs are a given witht he teams his had, but then he's handicapped. He was replaced, and most times those teams then thrived. Dunleavy is also at a loss with his style of play, it is too restrictive for ALL PLAYERS. Now to focus on 50... No he is not a go to guy. It might stretch to even call him an all-star (some would disagree), but he is as solid as his muscles. Ironically he gets injured, but pay close attention to him and most other players... They get injured, but if the team is going somewhere they are sure not to miss out on much. 50 has not been missing out on much so even the slightest scratches he has taken the full recovery. 50 IS NOT, I REPEAT IS NOT a 3rd option. If we run the right style of play he and Brand will share the 1st option (im looking at a SAS style of play or even NOH style)! Kaman is getting better, but he sucks for what we are paying him. IMO 50 is more important to our team than Dunlavy, in other words replacing Dunleavy would hurt the team less than replacing - or getting rid of - Maggette. As David said hes an easy 20+ point guy as well as a person to put other teams in foul trouble. I mean if Dunleavy was going and getting 20+ points and grabbing boards and putting the other team in foul trouble, and making the other team change thier D I might reconsider... but thats not the case, my vote is as it was Maggette>Dunleavy, Dunleavy not so great frot he team weve got now. |
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toohipcliptoslip
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Posted: Apr 10, 2008 - 09:16 AM
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Clipper Starter
Joined: Feb 16, 2007
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1. It was Ewing not Brunson--a senior moment but he's made some awful decisions -Corey off the bench, starting Shaun to name a few
With all the controversy, everyone's basically in almost agreement. Dunlevy is an OK coach for our half court style. He's not great but he got us to the PO's with the old Kaman and WITHOUT COREY. (C-) Is there any coach AVAILABLE to fit our player's abilities? I don't think so. Are we going to fire him? I doubt it with the $$$ we paid him. Will 50 stay? Who knows. Corey is the only player anyone is interested in that we could sacrifice If we sign him and then trade for a shooter, Thornton had better give us 20pts. Who knows. Is Corey history anyway? Will a monster guard come here at any price? Unless we really show him something as far as a quality squad I doubt it (but money does talk) Is 50 always third option and CK #2. Depends on who we're playing. He's not gonna' crash the boards against a healthy LAL squad. Are there any FA's the I'd take over 50. Yeah but will they come here? With quicker guards can Mikey play a more up tempo game? Don't think so. Is he able to coach a champion level squad? Don't think so What a mess! |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2008 - 10:31 AM
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